Comments on: Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/ Shooting Sports News and Business Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:18:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: American Defense Enterprises » The Arming of America http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-6562 American Defense Enterprises » The Arming of America Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:53:57 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-6562 [...] USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army [...] [...] USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army [...]

]]> By: Confianza en Obama: En los últimos tres meses los ciudadanos americanos se armaron hasta los dientes « NUEVA EUROPA- Nueva Eurabia http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-2425 Confianza en Obama: En los últimos tres meses los ciudadanos americanos se armaron hasta los dientes « NUEVA EUROPA- Nueva Eurabia Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:58:23 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-2425 [...] Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army This time with hot links to data sources. Federal NIC Instacheck Data [...] [...] Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army This time with hot links to data sources. Federal NIC Instacheck Data [...]

]]> By: 100 Days of Fair and Balanced... - Page 3 - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1994 100 Days of Fair and Balanced... - Page 3 - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum Mon, 04 May 2009 21:46:45 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1994 [...] strikes too close to home. There is got to be some sort of psychological test. Okay. Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army You can crap your pants [...] [...] strikes too close to home. There is got to be some sort of psychological test. Okay. Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army You can crap your pants [...]

]]> By: The news thread - Page 79 - Ultimate Metal Forum http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 The news thread - Page 79 - Ultimate Metal Forum Mon, 04 May 2009 12:11:28 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1984 [...] Americans buy enough guns to outfit Chinese and Indian armies so far in 2009 __________________ Death is The Hunter Quote: [...] [...] Americans buy enough guns to outfit Chinese and Indian armies so far in 2009 __________________ Death is The Hunter Quote: [...]

]]> By: The news thread - Page 79 - Ultimate Metal Forum http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1966 The news thread - Page 79 - Ultimate Metal Forum Sun, 03 May 2009 17:12:27 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1966 [...] Americans buy enough guns to outfit Chinese and Indian armies __________________ Death is The Hunter Quote: [...] [...] Americans buy enough guns to outfit Chinese and Indian armies __________________ Death is The Hunter Quote: [...]

]]> By: Guns Bought This Year Could Outfit 2 Armies « One Man’s Thoughts http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1960 Guns Bought This Year Could Outfit 2 Armies « One Man’s Thoughts Sun, 03 May 2009 12:14:18 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1960 [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...] [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...]

]]> By: AmmoLand http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1952 AmmoLand Sat, 02 May 2009 20:40:30 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1952 Cronshaw...So your point is it is actual higher? Cronshaw…So your point is it is actual higher?

]]> By: Guns bought this year could outfit 2 armies « Pragmatic Witness http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1950 Guns bought this year could outfit 2 armies « Pragmatic Witness Sat, 02 May 2009 19:49:01 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1950 [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...] [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...]

]]> By: Allan Cronshaw http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1948 Allan Cronshaw Sat, 02 May 2009 17:42:33 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1948 Your numbers seem to be inaccurate because you can't count the number of guns purchased by Concealed Carry Permit holders in open carry states such as North Carolina. When I purchase a gun, no call is made for a background check. I have bought a number of guns since the election, and no background check was ever required. Your numbers seem to be inaccurate because you can’t count the number of guns purchased by Concealed Carry Permit holders in open carry states such as North Carolina. When I purchase a gun, no call is made for a background check. I have bought a number of guns since the election, and no background check was ever required.

]]> By: Jim Shy Wolf http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1941 Jim Shy Wolf Sat, 02 May 2009 01:55:09 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1941 Jason, the figures are a lot more accurate than yours considering that not all firearms sold were 'fresh from the factory' nor purchased in stores. In fact, many of the guns purchased were originally purchased more than ten, even 15 years ago. Being the NICS checks are only mandated for weapons purchased over the counter, those numbers are probably more accurate as to new buyers and a few second or third, or more, gun buyers. Too, with one check there can be multiple sales. Logistically speaking, the dotgov can probably safely assume there is a weapon behind every blade of grass in this country. Thank God!. JSW III Jason, the figures are a lot more accurate than yours considering that not all firearms sold were ‘fresh from the factory’ nor purchased in stores. In fact, many of the guns purchased were originally purchased more than ten, even 15 years ago. Being the NICS checks are only mandated for weapons purchased over the counter, those numbers are probably more accurate as to new buyers and a few second or third, or more, gun buyers. Too, with one check there can be multiple sales.
Logistically speaking, the dotgov can probably safely assume there is a weapon behind every blade of grass in this country.
Thank God!.
JSW III

]]> By: Guns bought this year could outfit 2 armies | Political Revolution | Politics | Religion | Abortion | Education | Get the real news here http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1937 Guns bought this year could outfit 2 armies | Political Revolution | Politics | Religion | Abortion | Education | Get the real news here Fri, 01 May 2009 22:55:55 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1937 [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...] [...] The federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System database statistics show there were more than 3.7 million background checks during the first three months of this year, compared to about 8 million annually not even a decade ago, according to the documentation assembled by Ammoland.com. [...]

]]> By: » SFAWBN Archive » USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1934 » SFAWBN Archive » USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army Fri, 01 May 2009 16:14:22 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1934 [...] AmmoLand.com - [...] [...] AmmoLand.com – [...]

]]> By: USA Buys Enough Guns to Outfit the Entire Chinese http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1929 USA Buys Enough Guns to Outfit the Entire Chinese Fri, 01 May 2009 15:21:11 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1929 [...] Follow Up: For those who asked see our follow up post with links to the data. Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army [...] [...] Follow Up: For those who asked see our follow up post with links to the data. Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army [...]

]]> By: Jason http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 Jason Fri, 01 May 2009 15:09:19 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1927 Interesting... Not very accurate! I have looked into this and I have found that the correlation to the number of ncic checks and the number of gun sales are inconsistent, and the idea that each check counts for AT LEAST ONE gun sale, is an inaccurate method of estimating the number of guns actually SOLD! Because the number of denials, vs. number of guns purchases PER CHECK vary and are not included in the final numbers. A more accurate estimation would be achieved by looking at the number of guns sold by manufacturers which would tell us how many NEW GUNS have entered the market during the years listed in the charts. A calculation of the total sales for the past ten years by manufacturer will give a clear indication of the number of guns ADDED to those in the hands of the people, annually as well as the number of guns in possession over the past ten years! THESE NUMBERS, would most likely be quite different, but I couldn't say one way or the other... I don't have enough data to make an accurate calculation, but the methodology is certainly more accurate! Jason Brown Sovereign Angel Consultants (Dot Com) Union of Concerned Citizens (Dot Com) Committee to Restore the US Constitution (Dot Com) Restore Gold and Silver Currency (Dot Com) Interesting… Not very accurate!

I have looked into this and I have found that the correlation to the number of ncic checks and the number of gun sales are inconsistent, and the idea that each check counts for AT LEAST ONE gun sale, is an inaccurate method of estimating the number of guns actually SOLD! Because the number of denials, vs. number of guns purchases PER CHECK vary and are not included in the final numbers.

A more accurate estimation would be achieved by looking at the number of guns sold by manufacturers which would tell us how many NEW GUNS have entered the market during the years listed in the charts.

A calculation of the total sales for the past ten years by manufacturer will give a clear indication of the number of guns ADDED to those in the hands of the people, annually as well as the number of guns in possession over the past ten years!

THESE NUMBERS, would most likely be quite different, but I couldn’t say one way or the other… I don’t have enough data to make an accurate calculation, but the methodology is certainly more accurate!

Jason Brown

Sovereign Angel Consultants (Dot Com)

Union of Concerned Citizens (Dot Com)

Committee to Restore the US Constitution (Dot Com)

Restore Gold and Silver Currency (Dot Com)

]]> By: Rifles, Blades of Grass, etc… | The Real Gun Guys http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1915 Rifles, Blades of Grass, etc… | The Real Gun Guys Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:13:55 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1915 [...] From here. [...] [...] From here. [...]

]]> By: Hour of the Time » Blog Archive » HOTT Newslinks 04/29/09-PM http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1902 Hour of the Time » Blog Archive » HOTT Newslinks 04/29/09-PM Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:12:51 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1902 [...] swine! ++++++++++++ USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chin... Another piece of great news!  See, HOTT doesn’t always report bad news. ++++++++++++ Las Cruces [...] [...] swine! ++++++++++++ USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chin... Another piece of great news!  See, HOTT doesn’t always report bad news. ++++++++++++ Las Cruces [...]

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 Jesse Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:40:54 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1884 It's also important to note that a single NICS check does NOT correlate to the number of weapons sold. Quite often, people will put multiple weapons (purchased at the same time, such as 3 AR15 lower receivers) on the same 4473 form and have a single NICS check completed. NICS is per "purchase," not per "firearm." Indeed, the number of weapons sold is likely significantly higher than your data suggests. It’s also important to note that a single NICS check does NOT correlate to the number of weapons sold. Quite often, people will put multiple weapons (purchased at the same time, such as 3 AR15 lower receivers) on the same 4473 form and have a single NICS check completed.

NICS is per “purchase,” not per “firearm.” Indeed, the number of weapons sold is likely significantly higher than your data suggests.

]]> By: Bob http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/comment-page-1/#comment-1865 Bob Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:48:30 +0000 http://www.ammoland.com/?p=9826#comment-1865 If all are approved then that is correct, also it doesn't account for multiple purchases by one owner. If all are approved then that is correct, also it doesn’t account for multiple purchases by one owner.

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