Comments on: Second Amendment Sisters, Washington DC Police and Empty Holsters

By: PavePusher

PavePusher — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:05:04 +0000

Dave wrote: “But an empty holster means there is a gun around somewhere which is going to make the police officers job harder.”

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

An empty holster does not require that a firearm be present. And if one was, and it is carried legally, it does not make an officers’ job harder… unless that job is to infringe on a Citizens Civil Rights, which is what was attempted.

Dave, please do NOT drink the Kool-aide. No-one should ever be counciled to knuckle under to our public servents, quite the opposite if the servent is the one restricting your lawful liberties.

By: Gary

Gary — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:01:16 +0000

Glad to see the defense of our rights, including the right to protest peacefully. An empty holster is not a threat, but sends a good message. Looking forward to videos.

By: Harry

Harry — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:57:07 +0000

Dave,
Shut up already, You are just showing how ignorant and compliant you are. You have NO CLUE how to exercise your lawful rights.

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:14:24 +0000

Orygunner,

You misunderstood me. If you go back and read what I said we were talking about an empty holster. If she had a concealed firearm I wouldn’t care. As long as it wasn’t visible. For that matter……a gun in a holster would be more preferable. But an empty holster means there is a gun around somewhere which is going to make the police officers job harder.
The cop has no idea where that gun might be. If someone had started shooting the person with the empty holster would immediately become suspect.

But something you should consider……..the antis really love the way the gun owners can’t agree on anything. It just gives them more support.

By: MasterMucker

MasterMucker — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:18:16 +0000

Sorry, above post should be addressed to Dave no RDW

By: MasterMucker

MasterMucker — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:17:01 +0000

RDW, The NRA is not a friend of the gun owner. They compromise. They always have and they always will. Until the NRA supports the removal of NFA 34 and GCA of 68, I will not join or support them. I should be able to buy a full auto Ak-47, at the hardware store, and with no background check. A full auto Ak should cost no more than a couple hundred bucks. Most NRA people support “common sense gun laws.” Guess what side of the constitution that puts them on.

By: RDW

RDW — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:52:39 +0000

Orygunner……go back and take a look at the posts. RDW is post #7. Dave is the NRA member/hunter in post #8 whom it seems you are referring to in your comments. But I agree with everything you said.

By: Orygunner

Orygunner — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:22:10 +0000

RDW, by your statement that by exercising her rights of freedom of speech she was making gun owners look bad, you are only showing that you are an ignorant hypocrite.

It’s funny and pitiful at the same time how many people say “I’m an NRA Member and a hunter…” and then act all high and mighty like that means something as they bash someone that TRULY supports the RKBA.

The problem isn’t that she was wearing an empty holster, the problem is that the LEO saw something wrong with it and started harrassing her for it. Our government has strayed far from it’s primary job of protecting individual rights, and shifting towards the socialist policy of protecting the “public good.” It’s no suprise that many police officers echo that sentiment. It’s not even their duty to protect any individuals (multiple supreme court rulings).

Just like the LEO, you’re not “Pro-Gun,” you’re pro for YOUR GUNS ONLY. Well, the only way you’re going to save YOUR guns is for ALL of us to support each other in our fight to save the Right to Keep And Bear Arms… your puny NRA Membership alone isn’t going to do much, especially considering how much the NRA has “compromised” our rights away so far.

Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

…Orygunner…

By: JonB

JonB — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:56:43 +0000

Way to go SAS! Open carry is legal in my home state with a firearm license though not practiced. I have such a license which also allows me to carry concealed. You’ve inspired me to start wearing an empty holster in my home state just to see what reactions I’ll get. If nothing else all sorts of people I’ve never seen before will want to strike up conversation with me…especially those in uniform. And I won’t be removing it ‘for my own safety’ like those who let the establishment do their thinking for them. I don’t live in fear like they do and well aware that my own safety is not up to others. Those who live in fear and let others decide what’s safe for them should stay home behind locked doors. Remember….excerise of an individual freedom or lawful act does not require explanation.

If the pressure to remove it becomes too great, I’ll simply take my cell phone from my pocket and slip in the holster….perfect fit. Now it’s a cell phone case and not a gun holster.

As for those who use the excuse of police responding to shots fired and see and empty holster….since when does the police need an excuse to shoot someone…front or back…. empty holster or when they can plainly see two empty hands?

By: JR

JR — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:26:38 +0000

You should follow up this, i would not let it be as he threatened to lock me up for no reason and also stated that i might be shot! What? I would see to it that i exercise my full right where this is concern; I would contact a lawyer and ask him.

By: Dave

Dave — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:17:23 +0000

I am a hunter and a NRA member. I appreciate the work that the SAS does. However I feel that you went too far this time. He asked you to take off the holster for your own safety. Not that he considered you a threat. If there was any gun shots and the police had to respond YOU might have been shot. The fact that you didn’t have a gun doesn’t make any difference. In the heat of the moment they look for threats and an empty holster means there is a gun out there somewhere and they have no idea who has it or what their intentions are.
With rights come responsibilities and you were being irresponsible. Sorry……..but it’s people like you that make the rest of us gun owners look bad to the people that are sitting on the fence. The way I see it you just scored points for the anti-gun crowd.

By: RDW

RDW — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:04:38 +0000

I wonder if the museum bans those things with points on them known as pens and pencils.

By: Martin

Martin — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:46:06 +0000

Man, I wish I could have afforded to go there. Well, I at least hope I get to see the video. This all makes me want to start carrying open. Which of course is completely legal in my state and has been for a long time. I mean, if I have been hunting and still have my revolver on, I keep it on even if I have to run into town. Thing is, it’s during hunting season, I’m in camo, so people don’t really pay that much attention. Well anyway, great article!

By: CLARENCE LEE CLINE

CLARENCE LEE CLINE — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:39:22 +0000

PS: after all, especially in my home town, they are my employees! I pay their wages. I pay them to protect me and I pay them to arrest the bad guys. I do not pay them to lie in court when thy make a bad bust. I do not pay them to harrass someone simply because he disagrees with them. I have gotten 3 cops fired in my town and I am working on a fourth. I will get him soon.

By: CLARENCE LEE CLINE

CLARENCE LEE CLINE — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:30:46 +0000

Ya gotta cut em some slack alrite. after all they are used to immediate obedience whether they ar right or wrong as this cop was forced to admit. Why, I ask, are we expected to obey without question when we know we are in the right and allow a bully to save face. The cop was wrong and he knew he was wrong. There IS no excuse for pushing it when he was wrong and knew he was. I have run into that crap many times in my life. I learned to push back and the crap soon stopped mostly. My temper has not improved with age. The ladies were exactly right by not backing down. I am not anti cop! I am anti badge heavy with a prominant gun and his hand on it all the time badgering me when he has not got cause to do so. from a grouchy old sheepdog.

By: Bugsey

Bugsey — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:07:47 +0000

NO!!
An idiot “with a badge and a gun” is an idiot “with a badge and a gun!!!

By: outspoken2

outspoken2 — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:14:53 +0000

Good article SAS, it only goes to show IDIOTS come in every flavor, and an IDIOT by any other name is still an IDIOT.

By: frr@gmail.com

frr@gmail.com — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:24:15 +0000

Nice story! But cut the Museum some slack. That is the same security they always have. The reason for the flags is a good one- they dont want people point at the art with sharp objects! I once had a rolled up magazine in my hand there and a guard asked me to put it in my pocket or unroll it. I understand that.