Comments on: Oklahoma Rifle Association Opposes Oklahoma Open Carry Bill 129

By: Bill Baker

Bill Baker — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:52:17 +0000

49, 89, 199 what difference does your age matter, if you don’t support others 2nd amendment rights, why should anyone support yours?
Open carry might scare a few hoplophobes, at least until they get used to it, we’ve allowed guns to be stigmatized, making them visible daily and people used to them would help cure the problem.

By: Martin

Martin — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:41:35 +0000

I as a NRA member understand to a point!I as a 49 yr old would feel uncomfortable if a younger person came in to a restaurant with a gun.A lot of young people are responsible but many are not.Thats why they stomp the gas and peel out at a stopsign.

By: Gerald

Gerald — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:12:26 +0000

I was looking to join the ORA so I could buy a CMP Garand, but after reading this, I don’t feel they deserve my money or membership.

By: Dale

Dale — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0000

To Stu, Doug, and Jim.
I and the ORA are not saying there will be “blood in the streets”. We are saying there will be a “backlash” from the local and State Chamber of Commerce along with the Hoplophobes (yes we do have a few here) for elimination of OC and CC along with Oklahoma’s “Firearm Premption” laws. Yes gentlemen, the ORA IS the group who advocated and guided these bills to law, with little help from outside sources other than the NRA ILA rep.
Once the machine is set in motion to reverse the advances the ORA has made in CC, Premption, castle doctrine, and selfdefense in our state, the OC advocates will never assist in stopping the machine or even slowing it down. The ORA will be as always, left to clean up the mess while those who created the mess sit around their computers and gripe.

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:29:30 +0000

In My Opinion:

Yet another organization showing their true colors – and these people are affiliated with the NRA?!?

I personally would like to see responsible individuals go through training – but a Right is a Right. Period. If you carry and wrongfully harm another, there are laws in place to deal with you. So it is your responsibility to exercise your rights responsibly…

And any group against any law that further seeks to restore and protect our Rights as Americans doesn’t deserve the public’s support…

My goodness – it sounded to me as though the “ORA” was saying there would be “blood in the streets”!

By: Doug

Doug — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:33:46 +0000

The classic “Fudd” response from ORA.

Not good enough!

Training and education will negate those law enforcement concerns.

Since when is exercise of a right contingent to any ‘fear’ which might be experienced by those with an ‘aversion’?

It is legal for an 18 year old to purchase and own a handgun in the state of Oklahoma.

By: Stu Strickler

Stu Strickler — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:18:56 +0000

The age 21 law only applies to people who buy from a FFL.

There is no law that says an 18 year old can not buy or own a handgun.

Most people will * not * be carrying a rifle or shot openly down the street!

By: Dale

Dale — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:01:08 +0000

E Zach Lee-Wright,
First, I suggest you ask an FFL dealer to sell you a handgun if you are under the age of 21, see what he says.

Second yes, “you” can sell a handgun to someone under 21 if it’s a private sale and if that “someone under 21″ goes and commits a crime with said handgun I’d hazard a guess in most states You could be charged as an accessory to the crime or possibly with conspiracy, you might beat the charge depending on the state you life in but, you won’t like the cost.

As for your sophomoric “stoner” comments. Grow up.

By: E Zach Lee-Wright

E Zach Lee-Wright — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:38:10 +0000

Hey, we have a drug use problem with the OK Rifle Assoc. board. Their letter says “First, The purchase of handguns by persons under the age of 21 is in violation of existing Federal Law”.

This is total stonerville. The federal law does not set the minimum age to purchase handguns at 21. It sets the age for a licensed dealer to sell a handgun as 21 and older but an eighteen year old can lawfully purchase a handgun from an individual as long as the purchase is within the state of residence and state law does not forbid it.

Lay of the weed Don.

And I am….. E. Zach Lee-Wright

By: Anderson

Anderson — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:30:05 +0000

I agree with ORA. This is one “Right” we should limit where ever we can.

By: Aaron Wright

Aaron Wright — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:02:09 +0000

Hello Dale;

Thanks for your comments, this is not an attack on ORA it is just that we have had our gun rights taken away for so many years that a bill like this would expand gun rights.

The issues with gang bangers you are talking about are already settled law, either they can own a gun and carry it or they are criminals breaking the law. Which is a law enforcement issue.

We can not punish people for crimes they may commit or punish law abiding citizens for crimes others may commit.

By: Dale

Dale — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:18:13 +0000

I have a question to all those who attack the “gun rights” groups like the Oklahoma Rifle Association for opposing “open carry” by anyone, 18 years of age and over, as Oklahoma SB129 will do without a background check.
Why do you support the open carrying of firearms by criminals and gangbangers?

By: Charles Nichols

Charles Nichols — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:36:41 +0000

I’m not surprised that the Oklahoma NRA state affiliate organization, the Oklahoma Rifle Association came out against Open Carry. The board members of the NRA affiliate in California, CRPA, are also opposed to Open Carry.

These State NRA organizations are dominated by the “shooting” faction of the NRA (target shooters) who are vehemently opposed to one exercising his right to self-defense by the only constitutional means recognized by the US Supreme Court in Heller and McDonald – Open Carry.

Those who have bothered to read the Heller decision know that the US Supreme Court gave as an example of a reasonable restriction on the carrying of arms in public was a ban on concealed carry. The one exception they noted was when one was traveling.

The target shooters controlled the NRA in 1968 when the NRA endorsed the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968. In 1977, the Second Amendment faction gained nominal control when Harlan Carter was elected and was somewhat effective in fighting gun control laws during the tenure of Neal Knox.

The NRA has now endorsed the D.C., gun ban bill H.R. 645 and according to the City Attorney for Redondo Beach, California; his illegal ban on Open Carry is thanks to NRA lawyer Chuck Michel.

Instead of defunding the BATFE, the NRA seeks to modernize it. From 1787 to 1968 we got along just fine without them interfering with our right to keep and carry arms. We can get along without them today.

Memo to NRA – “Stop helping us!”

By: Tracy

Tracy — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:46:22 +0000

WTF When I read this I fell of my chair!

Why wouldn’t they support any expansion of gun rights.

If it became a problem they could always work backwards amending the law if need to.??

By: Ted Law

Ted Law — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:43:49 +0000

Why would they not support any expansion of gun rights?

This is clearly a case of a very small state level organization that is not up to date on the rapid expansion of constitutional carry.

They probably have a lot of older members and not inline with the more recent concealed and open carry movements.

This is bad for the Open Carry movement as this is exactly the thing anti-gunners will jump on and point to as reasonable gun control.

They would be doing more good if they took no position at all and said nothing.