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Follow Up to Ohioans For Concealed Carry Editorial on Restaurant Carry
Written by Jeff Garvas

Ohioans For Concealed Carry

Ohio --(Ammoland.com)- An editorial I wrote on behalf of Ohioans For Concealed Carry has been published in numerous mainstream news papers this weekend (Links more below).

When Ohioans For Concealed Carry set out to write the first restaurant carry bill in Ohio (HB203) we intentionally tried to avoid what most people consider “bars” because we knew what was inevitable from opponents. That legislation specifically stated that an establishment had to have a food service license, which we soon found out most bars likely have because they serve some kind of food – but we tried.

Its nearly impossible to write a law that differentiates a Class D license issued to a “bar” from a Class D license issued to a restaurant in Ohio. Since 2009 as support for this legislation has grown we’ve seen the opponents and the news media trumpet the same collection of lies: Guns and Alcohol don’t mix, guns and stadiums don’t mix, etc. Now they’re interviewing the staff at bars and asking them how they’ll install metal detectors and deal with armed people in a bar. Seriously?

While none of these points are relevant to the HB45 debate the media has aggressively driven these points home, turning this into a sensational misrepresentation of the legislation or the facts.

When the Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote this article last week I was quoted pointing out how very hypocritical it is that police unions say “guns and alcohol don’t mix” but they snuck the very same provisions into HB347 in 2007 for every police officer in the State of Ohio, off duty or not. This caused the current Ohio FOP president to change the argument to one we heard for years during the original concealed carry debate: “We have more training.”

Jay McDonald, president of the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police, said it is ridiculous to compare a trained police officer to a regular citizen who happens have a concealed carry permit.

“We are required to meet a much higher level of training and re-training for how to properly handle our weapons and we are trained to know in which situations to shoot and not to shoot,” McDonald said. “If they want to require the same level of training for CCW holders as I have to meet as a law enforcement officer, then we will drop our opposition.”

Why do we need more training to be armed in a restaurant while not drinking if the very same activity is lawful today in a place that doesn’t have a liquor license? The FOP’s position is such an absurd example of the misdirection this debate has taken, that we finally needed to respond to the critics. The news media has surprisingly obliged as a substantial number of them have published the editorial, although the Plain Dealer’s title is quite aggressive:

Cleveland Plain Dealer: Police fear-mongering at heart of Ohio’s restaurant-carry debate
Columbus Dispatch:  Distortions mar debate on gun bill
Akron Beacon Journa: Guns in Bars? Not really
Cincinnati Enquirer: ‘Restaurant-carry’ legislation not just about guns in bars
Lorain Morning Journal: Guest OP-ED — Guns in bars: No, not really
Kent Patch: Letter to the Editor: Guns in Bars: No, Not Really

About:
Ohioans for Concealed Carry, founded in 1999, is a grassroots political activist organization. When founded, the primary goal of OFCC was getting concealed carry passed into law in Ohio. With that accomplished, our mission became to refine the concealed carry law and to expand and preserve the rights of all gun owners in Ohio. Visit: Ohioccw.org

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Guns In Ohio Bars? Not Really
By Jeff Garvas

Ohioans For Concealed Carry

Ohio --(Ammoland.com)- As Ohio lawmakers debate legislation that would allow licensed citizens to carry a concealed, holstered handgun into restaurants that serve alcohol, opponents of the bill continue to reject an intellectually honest discussion of the facts.

They’ve morphed the ”restaurant carry” discussion into a campaign of fear.

This legislation simply never mixes alcohol consumption and handgun possession, period, regardless of what you’ve read or been told.

Ohio’s concealed handgun licensees already can carry into nearly any burger joint. But if they try to have a hamburger and Coke at a Max & Erma’s while armed, they commit a crime. The only difference between the lawful and criminal act is the presence of a liquor license at a particular restaurant.

That’s the simple problem that ”restaurant carry” legislation is designed to fix.

This legislation simply was never about being able to carry a gun into a bar — it’s about being able to retain your gun at a Max & Erma’s instead of leaving it in the car as an invitation to thieves and thugs.

It is already a misdemeanor to be in possession of a handgun while under the influence of alcohol. The proposed legislation increases that penalty to a felony, a year or more in jail, and the loss of one’s right to own a firearm ever again.

When you see stories implying that people will start carrying guns into bars, remember: There are more than 210,000 concealed carry licensees in Ohio. You encounter them every day as they go to and from picnics, supermarkets, weddings, barbeques, liquor stores, and homes — all of which are opportunities to consume as much alcohol as they please.

So, what keeps them from doing exactly that? The law — the same law they had to scrupulously obey in order to qualify for their concealed carry license in the first place. And the same law that will make it a felony to carry in a bar while consuming alcohol.

Fear-mongering opponents of this legislation also have scared some into thinking that the proposed law entitles citizens to carry firearms into sports stadiums. But the truth is exactly the opposite — nothing in the bill prevents sporting franchises from continuing to prohibit firearms on their premises, as they already do today.

The Ohio Ohio Fraternal Order of Police misleads you with ”guns and alcohol don’t mix,” but when you point out all law enforcement in Ohio was given this very right to be in a restaurant, off duty, without any prohibition on consumption, their current president falls back on their standard ”we have more training” red herring. They also have FOP lodges with Class D liquor permits.

Contradicting their catch phrase, the FOP now implies there is a level of training that makes mixing guns and alcohol acceptable, but only if you’re a cop.

Don’t fall for it.

Because our legislation is strictly about not drinking any alcohol their position is akin to saying a concealed handgun licensee may walk down the bread aisle of a grocery store, but only police officers may walk down the liquor aisle.

If we’re going to continue to discuss the restaurant carry bill, let’s at least ”keep it real.” That’s what honest and reasonable people deserve.

Garvas is the president of Ohioans For Concealed Carry.

About:
Ohioans for Concealed Carry, founded in 1999, is a grassroots political activist organization. When founded, the primary goal of OFCC was getting concealed carry passed into law in Ohio. With that accomplished, our mission became to refine the concealed carry law and to expand and preserve the rights of all gun owners in Ohio. Visit: Ohioccw.org

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