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Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- NRA initially withheld comment about the horrible crime that took place in Newtown, Connecticut last week, out of respect for the families of the crime’s victims and other residents of that community, and while law enforcement officials there conducted their investigation.
However, President Obama and a usual cast of characters, in keeping with their longstanding practice of not letting any crisis go to waste, quickly used the tragedy to push their gun ban agenda.
Obama took to the national airwaves to plead his case for additional gun control laws, and appointed longtime gun control supporter Vice-President Joe Biden to head a task force to formalize the president’s gun control plans by no later than January.
The administration’s efforts are being aided and abetted by their anti-Second Amendment allies in Congress, particularly Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). As we previously reported, Sen. Feinstein’s crusade to ban more guns preceded the Newtown shootings. As early last month, Feinstein started to refine her most recent “assault weapons” bill that “would ban pistol grips and ‘high‑capacity’ magazines.” Though the public has not seen the final wording of her impending legislation, there is no question what the zealous senator would do, if she could.
After getting her first “assault weapon” and “large” magazine ban imposed in 1994, she told a reporter, “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them – Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in – I would have done it.”
And, if you think the latest gun control debate will be limited solely to legislation to ban semi-autos and “large capacity” magazines, think again. Calls have already been renewed to subject all private sales of firearms to background checks, even among family members and friends, and to end mail-order sales of ammunition.
We knew that this fight was coming. But it’s now crystal clear that this latest round is on an expedited track and the corresponding rhetoric has been amped up exponentially.
And the fight is not limited to the U.S. Congress; anti-gun action has already begun at the state level, with several states already jumping into the fray. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) went so far as to say “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option…”
Our formula for success will remain unchanged and your activism will remain key. NRA’s four million members and the tens of millions of other law-abiding American gun owners must stand united and stay active! NOW is the time for you to contact lawmakers in Washington, D.C., and in your state, and let them know that gun bans and other restrictions on our Second Amendment rights are not the solution.
To find contact information for your elected officials, use the “Write Your Reps” feature at www.NRAILA.org. Click here for tips on effective communication with your lawmakers, and don’t forget to visit www.GunBanFacts.com for the FACTS on semi-auto bans.
This battle will determine whether our lawmakers have the backbone to implement solutions that will provide immediate dividends and safety, or whether they will go back in time and focus on the failed policy of gun bans.
If our opponents succeed, our rights won’t be affected simply for a few years, but for generations to come!
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Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org
Anytime you see an article that someone could slip in gun control agenda, rebuff it with a pro-gun agenda that is a fact. Linsey Graham, (R) SC, dances around anything you email him about gun control, now, so I take it that he is or has switched sides. Congress does not read these comments after articles on the internet, so they don’t know the country is 95% pro-gun. They are just listening to the media’s hysteria, and as we know, is only one sided. If you don’t email your congressmen they won’t know and will buy into what the media is ramming down their and anyone who will listen, throats.
stupid website name. stupid premise that guns and gold are necessary/required for a functioning world.
What are you afraid of??? Do you really think you would use the gun vs. police, military or other gov officials? From what I’ve seen, most americans are passive and all talk. They hide behind their guns and gold as if it symbolizes their courage and intelligence.
The human species is in default, especially americans
Push comin to shove
I don’t think anyone desires to take away any ownership issues that weren’t legislated prior to The Brady Bill. I’m a gun guy but a 30 round clip on an AR-15, easily available? I know limiting the clip size will not stop killings. In China perps go in with knives. The questions one of what good are these high capacity rounds doing? What harm are they doing? Damage could be limited in these events if clip size were limited. That is practical and reasonable. People can still hunt and practice marksmanship.
It’s not just the President and the “usual cast”. It is the vast majority of the American people and generally anyone not affiliated with the NRA. Just watch your spokesmans performance on Meet The Press on Sunday. It was nonsensical. If your argument is the need to protect yourself or take up arms against your country, good luck. The highly trained SWAT teams are embedded with ex military and combat vets. Tactics have improved dramatically, you’d be dead pretty quick; by that logic we should have access to c-4, claymore mines, Stingers, the whole deal.
Likewise the event of those dead kids, the scene there, the pain of the parents, is not given equal time in your piece. The NRA could help with a middle ground solution but these shooting sprees are involving greater numbers secondary to the weapons. Reasonable legislation is necessary and demanded by most of the People. The NRA has about 4 million, someting is likely to occur.
The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.It affirms the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
“Chevas”. You’re a gun guy and you don’t know the difference between a “clip” and a “magazine”??? I think you’re full of sh*t. 2nd amendment has to do with the Militia not with being “practical and reasonable”. What good is a militia if military style equipment is banned? The vast “majority” you speak of is B.S. The swat teams and ex vets you speak of did a great job in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Cake walk? What’s it like to be wrong on every point you tried to make?
The military kills and maims more innocent people (men, women, children) than any lone nut gunmen ever could, so logic dictates the weapons with high capacity magazines, full auto capabilities, etc., would be in more responsible hands if US citizens had access to them.
Don’t think so? Then ban the use of all above mentioned weaponry by the military, federal, state, and local law enforcement, and THEN and only THEN will we talk about a gun ban for the average US citizen. The government wants us to disarm, then they better damn well lead by example… and even then I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were them.
Bill,
The difference between a clip and a magazine is mute. The point is mute, they both refer to the same principle, feeding ammo into a weapon. The word Bullett and round are used interchangeably. Obviously my views are not completely full of shit. The right to keep and bear arms is not extended to fully automatic weapons. Am I full of shit in saying the body count on mass shootings would be less massive with limited clip, I mean magazine size? Did you watch Meet The Press on Sunday? If not how would you know if I’m full of shit there? I’m not sure what you mean with the “Cake Walk” remark. I am a veteran ( not combat). The chances of requiring an armed Militia against foreign invasion is also mute. It’s not going to happen; think about it.
You sound like a guy who talks in absolutes. Was I full of shit in saying the article didn’t adequately describe the carnage of the children? Saying someone is wrong on every point is absolutist. I’m sure if you told me I was full of shit face to face it would end up on the ground. It’s much easier typing it in to a computer, wait, PC, tablet, uh over the Internet; however you refer to the technology.
Merry Christmas by the way.
Wait, I got it Bill
You’re saying that because our soldiers sufferred losses in difficult foreign wars that they are not undefeatable? Are you waiting to take up arms against your government and feel reasurred because our men arent bullet proof? Do I understand you correctly? It sounds as if an armed uprising is part of your Gestalt. If so you’re gonna need more than your AR-15.
Chevas,
You and others need to understand that the 2nd Amendment has Nothing to do with “hunting”, it’s about self defense. None of us have to justify a need for any gun or magazine that we select, the US Supreme Court has ruled on the issue already. I am a combat vet and now a police officer for several years, and the vast majority of the public (including pro-gun people) support us. The 1994 Clinton gun & magazine ban did Nothing to reduce violent crime. Violent crime is caused by violent criminals that don’t get kept in prison and people that are full of prescription medications. You people that say that you want to limit our rights to make things peaceful, are the first people to say that you will hurt someone, just because they said you are full of crap. That’s just like Dianne Feinstein, wanting to ban guns, but she carries a gun like she is so much more important. You said that you need more than rifles (small arms) to take on an army, you must not know that the Soviet military got beat by a bunch of people with small arms in Afghanistan, and Our Country was founded by men with rifles. Next you will want to ban Cars, because more people are killed by drunk drivers than are killed with guns.
Dogismyth, in addition to the above, you seem to have a problem with Americans and you are rather insulting and Hostile. If you don’t like things in the US, then you can just stay out of our Country, because we don’t need your kind of input. We are not scared of anything here, because we live in the best Country in the world and we have rights that can’t be taken away. Police officers and military vets would line up on the side of the law abiding public, if anyone attempted to violate our rights. I don’t care if anyone wants to make threats online, as that does not impress me, and if you want to make threats in person, you will end up in Jail, that’s the American way.
Doc,
Your rebuttal was polite, which I appreciate. I do not think the conversation is over “banning guns”. No one is speaking of taking away all guns or any guns for that matter. It is about the ability of civilians to have access to devices whose capacity for destruction is almost endless. Limiting the size of a magazine (As I was so politely corrected on) is not a slippery slope into the abyss of no guns.
The founders of our country had no idea of what was coming down the pipe, there were not even rounds as we know them today. The constitution , via law, can be amended . It is plastic and designed to evolve.
Let’s face it, the Afghans shot a few Hind Choppers out of the sky with stingers, supplied by us and the terrain and culture are difficult. The AK-47 didn’t turn the tide in that war.
While you are correct that most policeman and vets are on the side of the law abiding public, I have seen no data to suggest they support the easy ability to get weapons made for a battle field into the hands of civilians with such ease. The ban on cars argument is a slippery slope but can be used as a point. Seatbelt laws and improved safety have kept a lid on vehicular death though there are more cars. Limiting a civilian use high powered rifle to ten rounds, pistols to 7 rounds would not make a big difference in violent events, but it may just give time for an escape or to limit damage. Killing sprees are getting larger in nature. This has to be addressed while simultaneously working on mental health services. Many leaders in law enforcement desire modification of gun laws.
One last quip. Think about the finances To have an armed guard at every school. Secondly, they may get killed with an assault weamothering 5.56 NATO rounds streamlining at them.
Gun truama affects billions IH healthcare dollars every year; likely enough to offset the funds produced by exchange of weapons. The easy availability of weapons at firearm shows is someting that can be modified. These people often do not pass the weapons onto criminals but these sales need to be tracked.
No one is saying take away all guns but something will be done. Stock up now if you are so inclined.
Oh bill, I’m not the only one to accidentally use the word clip instead of Magazine. Read down the paragraph big boy.
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If you want to “change” or eliminate the 2nd Amendment, go ahead and try and the people will defeat the attempt. You, missed my point and continue to blame guns that are used by criminals, so let’s ban cars too. Drunk Drivers use Cars, the same way Violent Criminals use Guns. There are already police officers in schools,in part because of the way some of the students act, but it’s mostly done in Middle and high schools, and the students have not been getting shot left and right like the media claims. The media and others that consider themselves to be more important than us, use schools that have armed protection, and I’m not talking about the Secret Service. I’m not willing to have limits set on my rights, due to the violent criminals, that would be like sending you to prison, because you “Could” become a violent criminal. I support the general public having the same weapons I use at work and Most police officers that work for a living do. Magazine limits did NOTHING to cut violent crime, during the 1994 Clinton ban, so it already Failed. Gun control is Not about crime or guns, it’s about “Control” and a Government that does not trust the people should Not be trusted. Let someone get into a so called “gun free” zone with a shotgun and it won’t matter how many rounds it holds, it will be the “reason” for a ban on all shotguns. There is No “Gun Show Loop hole”, instant checks have been done at every gun show that I have been to, from Louisiana to California. “Gun Free Zones” have been a Failure, the violent criminals that have been arrested following such murders, have said that they went to gun free zones, because they would have easy victims.
Maybe the Media and Government will decide to Ban some of the rights that You value, because they don’t trust you to do the right thing, that’s what people like Hitler & Castro did.
In Afghanistan most of what the rebels used were small arms, then captured arms as well. They did beat the hell out of the Soviets and that was no easy task, just like we beat England, when they had a much bigger Army & Navy and much better equipment.
Doc,
You are well spoken and polite debater, good at it too. Overall homicide rates will not be impacted. These can be done with weapons not targeted. Of the 11 most violent mass shootings in the US, 6 have occurred since 2007. We are talking about degrees of violence and states with tighter gun control laws have less gun homicides. The background check was part of the Brady Bill, that is some form of control; would you be opposed there? They seem to get weapons anyway. Say nothing is done this time. When it happens again, and it certainly will, the momentum will increase. It is a momentum situation and no one is considering removing all firearms. Why would you need more than 5 rounds anyway, or even 10 in a rifle? We have limits on 3 rounds per shotgun. I understand the right to keep and bear arms, it is that the arms are beyond the need for self protection unless you are being overrun by the Viet-Kong.
I gotta go now but thanks for the polite and well informed discussion. We may have to agree to disagree. I am making a slingshot though that I think will be the most powerful handheld slingshot ever made. My goal it to fly a .44 cal stainless steel ball at 300fps and market it to bored deer hunters. Did my prototype, now waiting on my mold. At that velocity it should get about 20 yards before dropping. On average a handheld shooter gets about 200-210 ft/ sec. I’m a slingshot enthusiast thus I cannot understand the passion over high capacity magazines. Good day sir.
Chevas, you also are a very polite and well spoken debater such as Doc. I think the point that so many people miss are the fact that the government is trying to erode our rights bit by bit.
On the ATF website, it was stated that some pistols are also being considered for ban as well because they can use a certain cartridge used in certain rifles.
Also mentioned was for ‘Sporting purposes’. What does ‘Ssporting purposes’ have to do with the 2nd Amendment?
There are MORE than enough gun control laws already and more will not help. Armed citizens will help as they will have a chance to stop the bad guys with the guns.
Chevas,
You did Not even mention Violent criminals, do you think they should keep getting a free pass? Look at that evil person that just set a fire, killed 2 firemen & his own sister, he was released from prison. He was sent to prison, because he murdered his Grandmother with a hammer, but they released him to kill again. In the letter he left behind, he said that he enjoyed killing people. Shotguns are only limited to 3 rounds for hunting, but there is no limit in my state for self defense. Since we Both say that homicide rates will Not change, why do you still think that bans will help?
I like your idea on the slingshot, I still have the Wrist Rocket I grew up with, and there is a place for such a thing, just like blow guns.
As a police officer, I was still able to get the magazines that I needed, but the ban didn’t work at all. I’m Not in favor of limits for law abiding people, and while I’m conservative, I defend the rights of decent people. What is the problem with putting all of this on the backs of the Violent Criminals? The news media gives too much attention to these criminals, and you have others that are evil, and they want to do it “bigger & better”. Gun control has Fail, and so have these “gun free” zones, so why do you continue to push the idea? I still say that we should ban cars, because of drunk drivers and who really needs a car that can go over 80 MPH? We should ban Violent criminals and gun free zones. What about term limits for the Senate and Congress, do you really think they should stay in office for life? You have left many issues without an answer, are you looking at the issue with tunnel vision? I would like to know what you think about someone like Dianne Feinstein, who carries a gun, but has already said she would like a total ban on guns.
Cuomo Bloomberg have contempt for the constitution and bill of rights. The CC law in NYC is clearly illegal as it subjects people to the whims of interviewer. The NY Supreme court ignores the 2nd. Furthermore militias are illegal in NY, the NY Supreme court supports that too. Feinstein Cuomo Bloomberg want their semi auto gun grab to be the model for the nation.