Comments on: Why So Many Police Chiefs Favor Gun Control, When Most Sheriffs Don’t

By: A.S. Bowman

A.S. Bowman — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:50:07 +0000

Comparision of police chiefs and sheriffs is an apple and orange arguement. Yes,we have some professional sheriffs. Most this resulted from federal dollars includding enforces state minimum training standards. We have over 18,000 State and Local Law enforcement Agencies in the US The great majoraty have 1O less sworn officers. Takes 7 officers to staff one 24/7 position. States now reliy on rural policing through state police and highway patrol. Some counties have moved from SO to County police. The problem of moving the SO into the 21 century is somewhat complex. There positions are protected by state constitution, This may explain some of the tunnel vision of anti gun control – linkages 2nd amendment and constitutional job protection, hertiaged as told by films and whom do they really represnt: those who contribute to their elecions. There is an old saying between the two organizations top leaders do they really get along but do not fight in public. I’ve worked nationaly with both cty, county and state agencies I found excellences in all. But I also found greater strenght generally not in SO’s but where SO where paterned after police departments. L.A. County has been one of the more progressive Dept. in the Country. Many of the more populated states have moved the SO to civil processor and jail keeper. UK moved to uniform police in the early 1800′s. Keep in mind, were one stands is determined where one sits. In selection of police adminsitors, several personal traits we looked for were: honestly, integrity, ability to look beyond the present, courage of one convictions, fairness, the list goes on. How determined – best indicators – past performanace. Being a retired police officers, doesnot qualifly one to be an administrator. So in looking at who supports whats. Looka at the agency size, it’s standards, effectiveness, how it deals with it clientile (all contacts). Also, remember if we did not have couragous offical, civil rights in this country would be in the 40′s and early 50′s. Unfortunately some state are regresssing back to that level. I own guns, kept them registered support the removal of semi and full auto rifle and assualt weapons with large mag.cap. (8-10). If this is hard on you business, I suggest you get rid of the buggy wips. 10,000 violent deaths, probably twice that number of wounded from these shooting, plus 20,00 suicides in 2011. This is an epideic. An moves far beyond the 2nd Amend. Were we were a rural ag. nation, armed with flintlocks and earlier designs. If my comment anger you, good. Ask yourself when was the last you looked down the business end of these auto, semi, unregistered,ad/or illegal firearms? We have become a third world nation with all the auto and semi weapons availalbe to all. An yo all want to control this with more violence? I’m I misssing something?

By: StickersForAmerica.com

StickersForAmerica.com — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:06:48 +0000

I can definitely say that I really enjoy seeing the comments from retired police officers and MP, and how you all still remember the oath you swore to. Major respects.

By: Bill Gabbey

Bill Gabbey — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:36:22 +0000

Did you know that Jack Webb’s TV character, Sgt. Joe Friday, never actually said, “just the facts, ma’am?”

Apparently the actual phrase uttered a few times in the show was “All we want are the facts, ma’am.” Similar, but not identical.

By: Lochlyn Grendelsson

Lochlyn Grendelsson — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:16:03 +0000

Ron on February 9, 2013 at 6:37 PM said:
The term is “beckon call.”

Ron – the “phrase” is, “Beck and Call”

By: hopalong

hopalong — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:15:19 +0000

THROW THE BUMS OUT, BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. AND WE KNOW WHO, DON’T WE ?

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By: Puck T. Smith

Puck T. Smith — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:31:12 +0000

Where are all these “patriot” sheriffs when it comes to enforcing unconstitutional federal drug laws? And what are they going to do when the Feds cut off the money they use to buy all those APCs and swat gear.

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:50:32 +0000

Active Law enforcement from 1962 to 2004, the majority of POs City, county and federal I’ve worked with heartily believe in the Constitution and the cornerstone is the 2nd amendment. Only a fool would call any black semi auto an assault weapon. All weapons may be used for an assault and that is the problem the user! In order to have a well regulated militia make safety courses mandatory for all new gun sales, no passed test no gun. No need to register anything other than test results.
Make a violation of the 2nd amendment a federal felony offense with a mandatory sentence.

By: jo bob

jo bob — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:59:48 +0000

wow there are some nutters comming out of the wood work here in the comments.

how about you sit back from youre glen beck and conspericy forums take a breth and think for a moment.

goverment agencys, military, public officials all live in these citys with there famlys frends and what not. do you reoly think they will go thrue a town mowing evreyone down or drop a bomb on it? all these milions of rounds… pull youre heads out of youre ass the goverment buys millions of rounds each year the only thing new this year is it was bought with diffrent agency name and will still be distributed the same. hell border, fed martials, and deputies all get alloted ammo per year they get for free to trane with… and geus what they stock pile it for them selves or sell it right back to you and me.

SO REMOVE YOURE TIN FOILD HEADS FROM YOURE ASS AND CARRY ON…

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By: John

John — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:46:34 +0000

Due to injuries I have recently had to hand in my shield, but between the military Police and Law enforcement I served 16 years wearing a badge. The oaths I took have never ended it is unfortunate that our Government leaders take their oaths of office as something to use at parties to make them feel important. As far as Obama and his private homeland security army he’s training 18-24 yr olds with no prior ethics to do his biding. I feel sorry for these young people they know not what they will meet in the field. Hasn’t Obama and his boot lickers done enough to crush this country when will America wake up and see the light.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:58:52 +0000

I am a retired Police Chief and oppose this asault on law abiding citizens and their right to bear arms. The sheriffs are in power by the vote of the people. The police have to suck around these politicians to keep their jobs. Hence , the police lose their balls to better themselves.If this fight is lost, America is finished. There will be a lot of complacent folks coming awake at that time. Problem is, it will be too late. Somewhere I read , “there is not enough cops to take our guns.” Why do you think Obama has homeland security in place? Why do you think they hae ordered so much ammo and “assault” rifles? Hmmmmmm?

By: Rey Garcia

Rey Garcia — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:01:04 +0000

This is exactly right ! That is why most of us rank and file Police Officers Support the right to keep and bear arms . And we are the ones on the front lines ,not sitting behind some desk somewhere ! Lackeys !!

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:53:52 +0000

This is exactly why ALL of the gun legislation bills being presented exempt current and past law enforcement. It is a political ploy to get law enforcement unions and organizations to back the gun bans. And of course if they can keep their right to own so called assault weapons they don’t mind if we lose ours.

By: akira6968

akira6968 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:51:18 +0000

lol @ the guy correcting “beck and call” incorrectly, despite being on the internet.

By: Gene Galitz

Gene Galitz — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:21:36 +0000

Check with Chiefs in rural states and you’ll find mostly the Metro chiefs support gun control. They’re conveniently the ones media interviews.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:23:32 +0000

I guess that is why there are many Sheriffs & Sheriff department PBA’s that have spoken out against the new UNCONSTITUTIONAL DRACONIAN laws that the DICTATOR of NY has passed yet there has been NOTHING from the State Police! I know the NYPD is ALL for it (although THEY should REALLY be restricted to the number of bullets in their guns) but it’s SAD that the police department PBA’s don’t even speak out against it!! FORGET the Cheifs but the PBA’s whose members are GOING to be the ONES having to do the “dirty” work of their political masters should speak up!! The PBA reps are voted on by the union members & they SHOULD PROTECT their members by speaking out against such DANGEROUS measures!!

By: Wayne

Wayne — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:28:27 +0000

I am a retired/disabled line of duty 26 year police officer I served in the Marine Corps 4 years prior to entering law enforcement,I took 2 oaths to support and defend the Constitution and have not forgotten my duty,i am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment and every officer I know does as well,you always have that 10% ,but the guys I know will not round up firearms,they will tell the politicians you want them you go get them,the cops up north may be different,but in the south we will not turn them in

By: Jere Joiner

Jere Joiner — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:22:00 +0000

Most cops know this, but it’s worth noting that the office of sheriff predates that of police chief. In England, it was the “shire reeve” who kept the peace. Police chiefs evolved as cities there and here grew larger and cops (or coppers, as they were called because of their uniform buttons) needed supervision.

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By: Henry Bowman

Henry Bowman — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:36:54 +0000

This whole gun control argument is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. These advocates say they want to ban and confiscate weapons to save the lives of citizens and children yet this logic is tragically flawed. If you were really trying to save the lives of citizens and children then you would not be instigating a multifront war against the citizens and their rights where people on both sides are surely going to die. So let me review: they are going to come and kill us to make us safer. Somehow this brilliance of genius is failing to inspire me.

This idea makes about as much sense as the provisions in the health care act that allow the state to compel you by force to go to the doctor to make sure you are healthy. Sending armed stormtroopers to your house with weapons of war to lock horns with you in a mortal battle of wills just to make sure you are healthy. This logic is just genius folks. “We want to come kill you so we can heal you”

Resist! Shoot them in the face when they knock on your door.

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By: Old Grunt

Old Grunt — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:23:05 +0000

The Sheriff in my County (here in Texas) has the backing of most of the people including everyone at our VFW posts. He knows he has hundreds of veterans and thousands of civilians ready to fall in, locked and loaded.

By: Warp

Warp — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:07:10 +0000

@80155
Nope, “Beck and call” is correct.

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/beck-and-call-or-beckon-call.aspx

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By: Ricky Ross

Ricky Ross — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:11:27 +0000

Don’t be fooled. Sheriff’s are politicians. Most people are sheeple. Sheriff’s will cater to the voters in their county’s if they want to get re-elected. The media is conditioning the sheeple to fear guns, so sheeple will want a sheriff who stands for anti-gun citizens. Also, as soon as a Sheriff wants federal $$$ for his department, it will come at a cost…he will have to play NWO ball or he will not get the free grant money. I know it makes everyone feel better to believe the answer to all of this is a stand up/Constitutional Sheriff, but the reality of it is, we the people need to use our 2nd Amendment right for what it was intended >>> this tyranny we are looking at right now! Everyone placed much hopium in Ron Paul getting SELECTED…look where that got us! The longer we keep playing by the tyrannical governments rules, the more rights we are losing and meanwhile, they are setting up a prison planet control grid. Once you all realize that we should have used our 2nd Amendment, it just might be too late?

By: ARIZONA

ARIZONA — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:02:13 +0000

THERES a group called the N.W.O.,every whore in government is sucking their tit,GWH BUSH said in 1992,we have a plan ,but theres one little country holding it up from becoming realitily,AMERICA,humm,oh thats right,they have guns,yes that would be a problem alright,WELL they decided the best way to bring their NWO into being was to just say SCREWIT WE’LL JUST DESTROY THEM,and so the die is cast,the blind leading the blind,into total destruction of their own country,and so few see this coming,or understand why,your not retiring,its over,1840′s here we come…………

By: ARIZONA

ARIZONA — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:47:47 +0000

YES theres a war coming to america,and it going to be a real bloodbath,the police gangs are arming up for it,the military says there going to yard farm the cities(thats a bomb that levels 3-5 square miles)10,000 degree temp.at ground level,YES I’ve seen the army trucks with the BIG guns shooting down whole towns,killing everyone,escorted from town to town by those hero’s in black,how wonderful,and they swore an OATH hahaha,boy they fooled you,even their own families were burned alive by the militarys bombs,OBAMA ordered every mine and cave in america to have heavy steel plates driven down across the entrance and reburied,yea your going to find out what that 2,000,000,000 rounds of hollowpoint ammo’s for,cause if you think any of these people are going to jail hahaha,your dreaming,they’d rather be dead then do the right thing…97%,of americans are leaving this world soon,the other 3% woke up in time to save them selves and their families…………..

By: Ron

Ron — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:37:37 +0000

The term is “beckon call.”

By: ARIZONA

ARIZONA — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:15:43 +0000

WE handed out over 85,000 DVD’s and well over 1,500,000 flyiers warning this day was coming,the GOOD OL’BOYS in blue harashed us arrested us beat us up,to stop us from warning everyone what was coming(none dare call it a consperiacy 1973)this woke up a lot of people,YES they knew america was turning into a dictatorship,and they wanted it,THE LORD HAS sent me visions of whats to come in america,and the foreign military,our police gangs,and our military are going to completely destroy america,THE cities will be burned out rubble,the roads and highways will be impassable and thanks to all those good law enforcement types, america is about to leave the 21st century and return to the 18th century without 97% of the people,thats how many they help kill,their stupidity even kills them………THE lord showed me where the police gangs screwup is gunning down the children,that is what makes everyone realize they really do have a problem,and thats coming,he showed me they killed everyone on both coasts,before the real fight began….yea they took an OATH,it didn’t mean shit to them either………………….

By: Charles Rall

Charles Rall — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:04:09 +0000

Chiefs are hired by mayors they want their cushy jobs.sheriffs are elected by their constituents.most counties are pro gun second amendment.

By: Mac

Mac — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:51:32 +0000

I retired from a Sheriff’s office in the Bay Area after 25yrs, Injury got me, the above observations are correct and even more so within the ranks of the Deputies, note there are some anti gunners in the ranks but not enough to make any kind of difference.
I took an oath all those many years ago and it is still how I live my life today, the oath DOES NOT end at retirement, it would be good for our “political leaders” to remember, that I am not alone.

By: anthony j portaA

anthony j portaA — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:53:20 +0000

GO OATH KEEPERS!

By: KottaMan

KottaMan — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:44:35 +0000

As a retired law enforcement official who has worked “both sides,” I’ll be the first one to “second” the fact that Chiefs are always beholden to their ‘controllers.’ I have been in other countries, including behind the former Iron Curtain ones, and know beyond any doubt that once law enforcement is “corrupted” by politics, you are done. Finished. What the Socialists in D.C. and certain state capitals are doing is making pissing posts of Chiefs and using them for disarmament. Thank God for Sheriff’s especially the ones who are Oath Keepers. They truly are America’s last hope against tyranny.

By: Oathkeeper Vet

Oathkeeper Vet — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:34:51 +0000

Photo Op Cop yup how true. They all ought to have to run for election! But the question that Police unions and organizations really need to ask is , how many of us and how many citizens will die in this agenda “to reduce gun violence”? Also pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of such would be a idea. So how many firefights a day will it take

By: DannyG

DannyG — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:41:06 +0000

Funny how with a stroke of his pen, the POTUS can turn regular, everyday joes into felons, simply because they are in possession of a weapon that, before the stroke of that pen, were legal and constitutional to buy, own and sell.
I learned from old Dirty Harry about A$$ kissing chief of police and it always disgusted me how they would suspend Harry simply because he didn’t bend to their whims.
On the flip side, I learned about the Sheriff’s ability to defy the Mayor or Governor because they were elected by the people,from old Sheriff Arpaio in AZ. Now I’ll support my Sheriff over the Chief of police, provided the Sheriff sees things my way. He,he…