Military Police Universal Conceal Carry ID – HR 218 An Update ~ Obfuscation

By Major Van Harl USAF Ret

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Wisconsin –-(Ammoland.com)-  Colonel Smith, Sergeant Major Jones do you have your conceal carry permit that Federal law allows you to obtain as a retired military police man?

You don’t, I do not understand, Federal law known as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) and commonly referred to as HR 218 was enacted in 2004.

This act allows police officers in any state or jurisdiction to carry concealed their personal firearm in any other state or jurisdiction.

I know, the military uses the word apprehend, and the civilian law enforcement community uses the word arrest. This little play on words is what the Department of Defense/DoD had used to deny military police of all branches of the service the ability to carry a personal concealed weapon.

But the Federal law was amended in 2013 to specifically cover any obfuscating that the DoD was doing to prevent you, the active duty or retired military police person from legally carrying a concealed weapon off duty.

There is something both military members and the civilian world needs to understand: the DoD and its branches do not really, deep down in their hearts trust the average Airman, Sailor, Soldier or Marine.

When it comes to the carrying of a firearm that does not belong to the DoD and cannot be controlled with their many regulations and threats of punishment, senior civilian and active duty leadership just seem to fail to remember there is a 2nd amendment.

As soon as the 2013 changes to HR 218 were enacted, that made it crystal clear to the DoD is was time to quit stalling and start issuing the by-Federal-law requirement for law enforcement credentials / IDs to active duty military police of all branches and former military police with ten years of service, they (the DoD) started obfuscating yet again.

The State of Wisconsin figured out the very same month it was enacted in 2013 that it was clear, a former Federal law enforcement member of the military police type, was by-law entitled to credentials that addressed this law enforcement status. Wisconsin then made available per Federal direction the type and design of a LEOSA / HR 218 qualification certification (conceal carry permit) and started issuing them to former Federal law enforcement.

I recently received my renewal Wisconsin Certification Card.

I am going into my second year of having this former Federal law enforcement HR 218 ID card, but my big Air Force cannot seem to make their conceal carry ID program work. I have seen a number of drafts and even an alleged signed Air Force Instruction/ AFI on how the Security Forces (read AF cops) who have been tasked to oversee the implementation of HR 218 within the Air Force, are trying “ever so hard” to comply with Federal Law.

The last I heard was the Air Force is now looking for a contractor to take on the project of creating an AF acceptable HR 218 ID card that will meet the Federal requirements and still allow the Air Force to control their distrusted “cops”. In the drafts that I have seen the Air Force has supplanted Federal law and added a bunch of controlling factors. Some of the limitations and controls that my Air Force has put (wrongfully I would suggest) on their policemen in their efforts to obtain an AF / HR 218 conceal carry ID would imply that we have a large group of AF “cops” who are not qualified to function as a police man or woman on active duty.

If a person has been vetted to join a branch of the military, selected to be a police / law enforcement member, trained at a military police academy, qualified on the range in numerous firearms (both handgun and long gun) and posted out to do armed police work on a military reservation, just what is the problem with the DoD following Federal law when it comes to HR 218?

I will tell you what the problem is, it is the trust issue on the part of senior leadership.

Of course their real concern is with loss of some very tight (dare I say strangle hold) controls on military members in their off duty pursuits. The DoD could have taken the standard ID cards that are issued to military members and with a very few modifications added the required verbiage about law enforcement and HR 218 and been issuing these credentials to its military police members over a year ago.

But no, obfuscation continues to get in the way. My research only pertains to the Air Force and I do not know what the other branches of service are doing. I have read where it was suggested they are waiting to follow the AF lead.

If this is the case, Soldiers, Sailors and Marines I suggest you will have an even longer wait than AF “cops”. The DoD does not trump Federal law. What is so hard about this?

Might I suggest it is just the fear of the legally armed solider/citizen by the ruling class? In all honesty why shouldn’t any serving military member, active or reserve be entitled to carry concealed at any time—they are already vetted as defenders of our Nation? And then there is the issue of constitutional carry.

Major Van Harl USAF Ret./vanharl@aol.com

About Major Van Harl USAF Ret:

Major Van E. Harl USAF Ret., a career Police Officer in the U.S. Air Force was born in Burlington, Iowa, USA, in 1955. He was the Deputy Chief of police at two Air Force Bases and the Commander of Law Enforcement Operations at another. He is a graduate of the U.S. Army Infantry School.  A retired Colorado Ranger and currently is an Auxiliary Police Officer with the Cudahy PD in Milwaukee County, WI.  His efforts now are directed at church campus safely and security training.  He believes “evil hates organization.”  vanharl@aol.com

  • 15 thoughts on “Military Police Universal Conceal Carry ID – HR 218 An Update ~ Obfuscation

    1. I was an MP for ten years. I then went to work as an LEO for the Department of Justice. Later I switched to an LE agency within the Department of Treasury. I ended up retiring from CBP. All were LE positions. Some of us have no problem with the credentials. The problem is qualification. The CBP lets agents keep your original issue credentials when retiring. They just stamp retired on them. These credentials state right on them, among other things that the holder has the power to make arrests, enforce laws and be armed. However we can not find anyone to qualify us once a year, at least in my area. CBP has issued a policy letter that states they will not qualify retired agents/officers or assist in qualification in anyway. We have range officers and firearm instructors that would be more than happy to donate off time to qualify the retired employees but the agency will not allow their range, name or letter head to be used. In my area most of the state and local agencies only want to qualify their own employees. So I just got a state CC permit and call it good enough. Although it would be nice to carry while traveling in other states. There needs to be a system for CC throughout the entire country for every law bidding citizen not just active and retired LEO’s, but I won’t hold my breath.

    2. Only Slaves need Permission from their Gov to exercise a right.

      Stop asking permission
      Stop being Nice and Law Abiding
      Stop being sheep

    3. I agree with all that you say, Major, but I do have a few questions:

      Can you quote me the exact section(s) of law that authorize retired military personnel who were qualified as Air Force Security Police/Security Forces to qualify under this law?

      During my 2-decade-long Air Force career, I was CONTINUOUSLY QUALIFIED as an S.P. as an additional duty, and the multiple/secondary AFSC is annotated on my DD214. What is your opinion about that? And yes, I was weapons qualified on several different arms, to include the M-16, M-1 Garand, S&W M15, Beretta M9, 1911A1 .45ACP, and 12 gauge pump gun.

      I also held weapons quals for years as a member of the base Honor Guard, and had armory access 24/7/365.

    4. My question is why are Police considered to be a better class of person than the rest of us? Why should we have laws that only allow Police special privileges that the rest of us are denied? Constitutional carry should be the law of the land, not just a benefit for a precious few. Unfortuneatly I live in California where a LE officer can buy a Desert Eagle .50 (not that I want one) but the rest of us poor schlubs cannot. THAT is not a duty gun.

    5. Gunnychuck, I agree with you completely. As a retired LEO I am a rarity in that particular part of the world. Even when I was active, it was my opinion that, when off duty, a LEO was not any different or had any more rights or privileges than any John Doe on the street. The great misfortune in this country is that there are too many individuals who are elitist.

    6. In Calif, I retired at 30 years in, as a unit CO. I was responsible for everything, including personnel and the arms locker. One day I was responsible for everything, the next, I could not be trusted with anything but guns on CAs good boy list. I was not LE, but personally, it felt like a slap in the face.

    7. I’m running into brick wall with Army. Even been told the bill don’t exist. If originator of this article can let us know more, would be highly appreciated. I’ve got Florida CWP, but wouldn’t mind having the other – I earned it.

    8. I think that as a former DoD police officer many DoD componext agencies hate people who are classified as 085,083, 007, . It’s a sbsolute power grab mentality. Now there are other series who should be allowed firearms authority ss far as their duties of active service goes to transitioned into civilian life like tbe Military Postal Inspectors, Military Intelligence , smallarms repairmen, secrurity couriers..

    9. Some extinct Dept of Defense police agencies allowed the local county sheriff to deputize the officers but the chief of security would come up with the Bull Pie excuse of the violating the Posse Comtious Act. Yes, it’s true that most military command staff falls way below the sewer pit in managing civilian police/security officers.

      Especially true if they never served as a large metro police agency like NYPD, LAPD, PHILADELPHIA, Newark or Balitmore/SEPTA POLICE.

    10. What about us Infantry veterans ?.. I’ve qualified. 45.. M-16 M-60..M-2 .50 cal.. and Expert Grenader ..as well 81mm mortar..which is a little far fetch I know but it’s true..I’m as qualified as any Police officer..and have knowledge of tactics and techniques as well..not implying anything. .but there are civilian police that had never been armed before becoming LEO’s..

    11. I’m from Texas….a bottom of the barrel state, I live in Houston and I asked several Police Officers about H.R. 218, they were totally cluless, most of the Police here want even talk to you. I’m a retired Federal Officer….I want to know whats going on with these Police that shoot people and they all have the same excuse”I was in fear for my life(hell wear a dress), what really blow my mind is these Guys are rudd as hell and if you can explain to me how you can patrol with the windows of your cruiser UP, so if I’m screaming for help, you can’t even hear me, but hell if you are Black the odds are the help you get is SHOT probably 10 or 15 times, I could go on and on, but you get my point. Read the Law just type in H.R. 218 or the LEOSA ACT in the address block or google it….knowledge is Power.

    12. I totally agree with what the major wrote. I also confirm his comments 100% Truthful. His comments about the High Military and Civilian Leadership, not Trusting, the Avarage,Airman, Sailor,Soldier, Marine Are 100% Factual.

      I served 22 years in the United States Army Military Police. I remember when I got started I mentioned this absurdity of not Trusting Troops with Weapons, when I was deployed to combat type zone environment at a TAC where we had to protect the senior staff,We were sent to post unArmed. The Chaplan came by and I briefed him on the situation, with in a half hour the a senior MP Officer came by and issued me a 45 and 2 clips of ammo. I was later told back Stateside to be careful and not question the Army’s Weapon policwe x That such could hurt my career.

      Years later I got a unique opportunity to help develop, train and lead a new country’s Military Police force. My later Father was a refugee from the nation of Estonia, when Estonia got free of 50+ years of illegal brutal Soviet Occupation, they did not have an Army. I went there to help develop organize the new Estonian Defense Forces Military Police so they could get into NATO and be protected from future Russian aggression(what we have now) when I was the Provost Marshal of Tallinn the Capitol city.

      The regulation in the Estonian Defense Forces,(EDF)was any Soldier of law or high rank that was not a conscript, could request from their Commander a permit to purchase a privately owned Handgun for personal and collective self defense. The Handgun would then be registered with the Military unit and the individual Weapon serial number was also on the ID Card with the wording that the bearer of the card has the right to own and carry such registered Handguns. This was for Military Personnel of all ranks and Military Occupations, not just for MP’s.

      Another option was to request from the unit Commander to take home and carry ones Government Owned Pistol. I did this once for about a month. Never had a problem.

      A Military force is supposed to reflect the nation’s values it serves. The US Military does not do that with reguards to the 2 nd and 4th Amendment Rights of its rank and File Military Personnel. Ironic how when I served in a former Communist country’s Military ,they were not the least hostilecto me either carrying openly in Uniform my personally owned Weapons or Government Owned weapons. The US Military needs to do the same and start to abide,recognize the very Constitution it swears to Protect and Espouse.

      As well, the US Military Establishment needs also to look at how it treats it own and clean up the gang problem with in it’s ranks.

    13. I have a similar background to the Major, I was a Military Police Officer in the US Army and Estonian Defense Forces Army Military Police as well as a Civilian Police Officer.
      The Major is 100% Correct and Right on. He tells it like it is, the Senior Military and Civilian Leadership of the DoD do not trust the Rank and File Military Personnel with Privately Owned Firearms let alone Government Owned Weapons.

      All of this is Contradictory to the Very Constitution that the Military Establishment is Sworn to Defend and Uphold. It is also in violation of the Spream Count historic rulling of Heller 2008.

      I said it years ago, if the US Military would ever allow MP, Military Lawenforcement Personnel to be Armed off duty etc with Personal Weapons, such authorization would have to come out side from the Military Establishment.

      That is what just happened in 2013. Since then the Military Establishment has been dragging its feet. Hoping the LEOSA Law will just go away. They could have issued LEOSA Credentials by simply modifing the standard ID CAC card and this way no accrued cost would come to the Service persons and Retirees as well as qualified Separated persons, something most Civilian Police Departments do.

      I hope in the future they indeed start to do this as well as overall change their out right vehemently hostility to the Second Amendment Rights if Militaryand Civilian personnel and clean up the Gang Problem in Military as well.

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