Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

By Dan Roberts

Psychotropic Drugs
Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It's NOT Weapons
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Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

The list was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske's death and his “outting” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons ?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America : http://tiny.cc/zcgh7x
Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America : http://tiny.cc/zcgh7x

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved in helping several 9/11 hijackers in obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car. To Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80's that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA's mind control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony.

In 1994, Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr's team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall.

The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate.

On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the biased media to cast a harsh spotlight on the issue of mental illness drungs. Don't stop hounding them until they do. As the antis say, “even if is saves just one life” , it is worth doing.

About Dan Roberts
Dan Roberts is a grassroots supporter of gun rights that has chosen AmmoLand Shooting Sports News as the perfect outlet for his frank, ‘Jersey Attitude’ filled articles on Guns and Gun Owner Rights.As a resident of the oppressive state of New Jersey he is well placed to be able to discuss the abuses of government against our inalienable rights to keep and bear arms as he writes from deep behind NJ’s Anti-Gun iron curtain. Read more from Dan Roberts or email him at [email protected] You can also find him on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dan.roberts.18

  • 335 thoughts on “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

    1. Ok I do not wish to upset anybody. I have been in those shoes. The term suicidal by cop was even in my mind before the term became known. No I did not kill anybody but the urge to hurt self and others (mostly wishing lots of death to occur) around me was beyond awful. In 2015 as I was sitting at another mental health apt the counselor said “we must not be dealing with something from your youth. After 27 years in that mental health detaining field I said to myself “this doe snot make sense” I am following every experts recommendations, taking variety of meds for all those years, having no quality of life anymore as “no this, no that, just work your ass off”. That day I decided to research what the hell I had. Yes untreated bacterial infection that is slowly and surely eating your entire body, yes likes the brain and lung as favorite spot. No it is not Lyme but basically the same because it is staph aureus #31 and #34 on the Igenex/Western blot. Even with all kinds of labs/proof I am still considered NUTS because it is in the system. Best day was about 3 months into taking long term antibiotics I stopped wishing to have planes drop from the sky. Yes THOSE days/weeks/months/ mental institutions stays were awful . Evidence of temps in the 93’s during all those separate stays and many labs with strange measurements those were all ignored. I do not have a word to describe this besides worse than holocaust as the medical system is totally taking advantage of persons with the smallest known bacteria found in contaminated water. 40 to 50 millions have it and yes very attractive to ticks/mosquitoes and all. There is the old saying “you must have sweet blood” Only thing needed is a thermometer because chronic low body temperature is indicative of chronic infections. Now you know why schooling does not address this simple fact.

    2. Interesting comments for the most part. Mental health is like any other industry. There are books which claim it’s all a bunch of B.S., such as Thomas Zaaz The Myth of Mental Illness to the many that claim we are all insane in our own particular way. One thing I do know is that most of the recent “mass shootings”(and don’t be like the media and give a totally bogus number right after a tragedy without doing due diligence) should have been stopped by information that SHOULD have been in our vaunted so-called DATABASE but didn’t get there somehow. Do not pass laws which you do not intend seriously to enforce. In California one must fill out an extensive questionnaire under penalty of perjury for lying on it(a felony) to purchase any sort of gun or rifle. Many are caught each year lying. Few if any have any consequence. Liberals quote jail and court overcrowding, lack of funding and even that someone’s “civil rights” are being violated. Don’t pass the damn law unless you intend to enforce it, and don’t tell me it is not possible to get the DATABASE up to par. Disrespect for the law by making the law appear to be a joke will have very violent consequences. Pass the Paxil please.

    3. I was a full-time teacher for 35 years. I had a number of students who were on Ritalin or similar drugs. Many of them complained that they felt funny after taking it—they didn’t like how they felt. Some even commented that they didn’t feel like themselves and did all they could to avoid taking the drug. Secondly, I was a high school basketball and had an assistant who had depression problems. He was on a drug to deal with it but at some point the prescription was affecting him in strange ways. One morning he killed himself. The night before, after his JV game was over, he came into the locker room wild-eyed and irrationally complaining that I had showed one of his players a different skill. At the time I just thought it strange that he would be upset about that, but after I learned about the strange things he did on that fateful morning it all made sense. It was later learned that the prescription dosage was too great and probably had altered his perception of reality.

    4. I have seen what these phycotropic drugs do to people. An individual becomes addicted to them and when they miss two or three days due to cost they begin to have meltdowns. Instead of people coping with their problems today society and physicians say lets medicate them. Guns have not changed for several decades and yet drugs have, makes you wonder what is the real culprit here.

      1. Drugs are one spoke in the wheel. Dangerous weapons readily accessible is another. Fatherless households is another. It seems obvious that all the issues need to be addressed. But the fatherlessness didn’t kill the victims, the drugs taken neither. The bullets did.

    5. Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?

    6. Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. This is common practice. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?

    7. Meanwhile high school aged kids are being organized to publicly lambast politicians (primarily Republican) for inaction. The one fact these kids overlook is school shooters are of and from their generation. Does anybody put the blame where it belongs?

      1. The link between mass shootings and psychotropic drugs is not nearly as strong as the author wants it to appear. Take his list of “mass shootings.” It’s an impressively long list – there around 45-50 bullet points there. But as you read down the list you’ll see that most of the listed events aren’t mass shootings at all. Many of them involve suicide attempts and attacks on family members. Since 1999, we’ve had 121 mass shootings in the United States. His list includes just 13 of them. Not very strong evidence of causation.

        1. I have compiled a list of 80 shooters that were all on psychotropic pharmaceuticals. Some were using several different types.

    8. False Flag be careful not to go to Alex Jones territory.
      “To Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head.”
      Did the Russians write this to discredit gun owners???

    9. Just because the medications were prescribed does not mean that the drugs were TAKEN correctly. Compliance is a huge issue with psychotropic medications. Even in a controlled inpatient situation, Many checks are done to be sure the patient is actually taking the medications and not tucking them in between their check and their gums or somewhere else..The only sure way to know that the medication is being taken is to give it IM or IV and that is not feasible in any situation. And taking the medications erratically or doubling when a dose is missed can cause a rise in the blood level of the medication in the body.
      Now, I have no answer but it seems curious that the two variables that people want to change has to do with medications and monitoring who is on them etc. And monitoring the sale of guns. These are the two biggest lobbies in Congress contributing huge amounts of money to Congressional representatives to protect their interests. Big Pharma and the NRA.

      1. Actually the NRA only spends about 10 million a year on all political activity. A paltry sum when compared to organizations like the Teachers unions.

    10. It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.

      1. Jan, you need to realize that these people are not sane. Morals, reason logic, and empathy are not a part of their world. They have no meaning because their minds and not functioning like a normal persons.

    11. It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.

    12. It used to be that the mentally ill were institutionalized, given a treatment plan, then observed as to how that plan worked on them. If it didn’t, then another plan was developed and the patient was monitored closely. Then when they were stabilized, they were slowly reintroduced back into society. Our current system of out-patient mental health care is a farce.

      1. You are right. In the state of California in 1995 several of the state hospitals for the mentally ill were closed down. Only the most severe were transferred to institutions that could house them. The others were released into the public with very little monitoring. California has a very high homeless population, a large number of them have mental illness to some degree. The state hospitals for the mentally ill need to be reopened so the mentally ill can be taken care of since most of them can’t take care of themselves. Give them a home, a safe place to live and a treatment plan. Help them!! Stop these senseless crazy investigations and attacks on numerous politicians and take care of our citizens. It will be money well spent!!

    13. Ther’s an issue with this that may be a huge problem that is yet unforseen amongst Congress. If they start delving into the use of psychotropic or antidepressants by gun owners and decide “Hey we can’t have this. We’re gonna have to take their firearms since their on these medications for safety.” What are they going to do about law enforcement officers that are on those same medications? I know SEVERAL of them that are on them. I don’t think citizens are gonna be to happy to have their rights taken away while others get a slide…..

      1. The Gov’t Agency Heads (FBI, DOJ, State Dept.), MSM and the US Congress are on D R U G S & SSRIs. They should be tested and then summarily fired.
        Starting with Feinstien and Pelosi then ending with Reid and Ryan.
        @DS; @WB and @Buttermaker: Pivoting is my buttocks with a ‘runny-one’ in their liberal BS traitorous mouths and the Rinos too including those in Florida.
        We’ve known since Columbine that US schools needs no less than ‘TWO ARMED Guardians’ and/or teacher/staff, brave and trained in schools especially in the ALL Blue “No Gun Zones” Near the main entrances and exits!!!
        Two things will start ‘Civil War’ here. The communists or an attempt at gun confiscation. Wait one minute, those are kinda one in the same are they not?!

        P.S. The N R A was quick to jump on ‘bump-stocks’ but no where to be heard on ‘We Are Not Having It!’ with the lefts socialist gun grabbing talk. The GOA was johnny-on-the-spot as usual.

      1. Chris, there is a drug problem, but in this case it is perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies and the psychiatrists. There isn’t any more of a gun problem than there is a car problem, or a doctor problem, or a hammer problem, or a trampoline problem. If you confiscate guns from law abiding citizens, you only create additional defenseless citizens, which will embolden the criminals. Guns are being manufactured on the black market in South America on a consistent basis. Do you think you could stop those illegal guns from being smuggled here anymore than they have stopped the illegal drugs? Don’t let the leftist media influence your thoughts. The term “gun violence” is a fabricated phrase to play on people’s emotions. If you apply the same term to other inanimate objects, you can see how inane it is: “car violence”, “pressure cooker violence”, “hammer violence”, “fertilizer violence”, or even “rock violence”. If you also learn more about why the 2nd Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights, you will see it has nothing to do with hunting, or home protection. Read some of the founding fathers quotes on the 2A and you will gain a much better understanding. Study the constitution at Hillsdale College online (it’s free). In the mean time, turn off the fake news.

      2. There is a problem killing our young people IT IS NOT GUNS.
        IT IS DEPRESSION! the sooner we realize that drugs are not the answer to depression the sooner we can find a cure. The whole gun control debate is a distraction from the real problem of suicide killing our kids. These shootings were not for thrills but for suicide.

        1. The cure is really quite simple…JESUS. Whether or not certain people want to admit or believe it doesn’t matter. It’s the truth.

          1. Fuck you, using a tragedy to try and push your false hope and bullshit religion. If you love God so much, why don’t you kill yourself and join him?

          2. @Dana, I concur, but there is no profit in that. No pun intended. And McCollum v. Board of Ed. must be repealed. That is the case where Hugo Black, a Catholic hater, fooled the public into thinking that the Constitution requires government and religion to be separate. The First Amendment does not say separation of Church. and State; does not mean separation of Church and State, but, in fact, has always meant the opposite.

    14. The drug companies are owned by Episcopalian families dating to Colonial times, when it was called the Church of England. In 1770 due to growing hostility with England, they altered their name to Episcopal Church. Then in the 1800s the British opium “trade” in China peaked with 45 million addicts, all required to pay in silver. That’s how England “recovered” so much silver “lost” by England and Europe to China for centuries over the “Silk Route.” Now so much seed capital from the opium business was used to found or buy into Pharma interests owned by The Pilgrims Society, which see at http://www.pilgrimsociety.org and my expose of them at http://www.silverstealers.net (worry not, I have no intent to enter your wallet). Now without guns, we’d have lost the Revolutionary War, so for England to retake us, we must be disarmed. Not the military, as they’ve been under covert British control over a hundred years. They used us to win two World Wars they planned. Pharma is part of the British recapture of their American “colonies.” Pharma also makes people poor, and we must be returned to Crown serfdom. At my start page is info convincing that the President regardless of party is always a British agent.

    15. I glad to see that most people commenting that most of the killers in this list were young. I was put on SSRI’s in high school for depression, but I wasn’t actually depressed. I didn’t understand my emotions at that age, but I (just like the people who committed these crimes) felt that I should seek help for whatever they were. I took this medication and that medication, none of which made me feel any better and so I stopped trying to medicate and did more intense talk therapy to really work out what it was I was feeling- and as it turned out I had been surrfering with a learning disability similar but not as obvious as ADD, a mild form of OCD and other anxiety issues.
      My doctors chose not to medicate me as long as I could find other outlets for these issues, and though I had to work a little harder than some, I went on to graduate and go to college. In my early 20’s the conditions seemed to become stronger than they’d been in my youth and I gave the medications a shot again. It took a few years but I finally found the right medications and dosages for me, but I never stopped the talk therapy.
      I was put on Gabapentin a couple of weeks after my mom passed away from cancer, and that was the only time I truly considered hurting myself. I quit taking the gabapentin and quickly that feeling went away.
      The point is- I was an adult when I had these feelings and had been in talk therapy for so long that I was able to KNOW a psychotropic drug was possibly the cause of those feelings. I also lived with a man who had a lot of weapons, along with the handgun that I almost always carried. But again, I was an adult. I didn’t have access to a weapon until I was in my mid 20’s and then I was immediately taught safety.
      That first time that I felt like doing something, I immediately called my doctor and told him. He told me to wean off and if I was still having those thoughts I could call him at home and we would go over the next step together.

      That doesn’t happen anymore. People are just too busy to try talk therapy and think popping a pill will solve their problems. Obviously they aren’t always right.
      Do I still take psychiatric medications? You betcha. They’ve really helped me as my conditions worsened- and the helped significantly. One look at my college transcript and you can see the time that I began medications because my GPA went to straight A’s, plus I worked full time, took flight lessons, and got my Real Estate license. THAT was “busy”, yet I made it to talk therapy every week.
      I have wondered for years how many people are treated for depression that they don’t truly have. Of course we all get depressed here and there, but in cases like mine, I had situational depression (my mom died = I was depressed for a few months), but my anxiety disorders and learning disability were mistaken as “general depression”. Of course those medications were wrong for me; they were treating something I didn’t have and weren’t treating what I did. How many times do you think that happens that’s days???
      How many doctors (psychiatric, general medical, or therapists) make themeselves available to patients after regular business hours in case of an emergency?

      What if we just tried adjusting THOSE things, and recorded the changes to horrible acts of violence based on those things alone? How many lives would be saved?

    16. Thank you for showing the common denominator. Snowflake Weenies will also point to “mental illness” as the common denominator.
      But we have had the mentally disturbed since the begging of time. That has not changed. What HAS changed is the “cure.”
      Not until 50-60 years ago, drug treatments nudged out every other form of treatment. Drugs is what changed.
      Good for you for noticing it and proclaiming it!

      1. I’m so glad you said it, the drugs have changed big time, I could tell you for sure that Zoloft is not the same as it was 14yrs ago, when it first came out it was a miracle drug, then when it became generlc it worked so different for me and alot of other people I’ve talk to, pharmaceuticals are Devils in my eyes….

    17. So, if these people had not had easy access to powerful weapons, they would not have been able to commit mass murder no matter what drugs they were taking.

      1. Obviously you missed the fact that firearms WERE NOT USED IN ALL CASES! In England they have used automobiles and knives to kill multiple people. Wake up! Guns are not the only way to kill!

        1. Not clear on what you believe “easy access to powerful weapons” encompasses, but just sitting in the middle of a pile of assorted loaded weapons does NOT justify random shootings, It Is A PEOPLE problem, not weapons of any sort. What you going to say when the terrorists of some P/O’d dude uses BIO agents on a crowd, no shots fires either.

      2. That is such a Ignorant Response. The point is, the Drugs are having psychotic affects on people, seems more on the young! You go to the Root of the problem. Explosive information and what are Legislators should be looking at, with these horrific killings. Its not the Guns.. Seems Politicians always want to protect the Power Money Lobbyist and never protect the people. Only Attack the people with there Constants Gun Grabbing BS..These Type of Drugs Need to be against the law to prescribe.. Seem at least for those under 21 yrs of age, (young Minds.) There is diffidently a connection. I also Believe this Article is Mia-Leading.. We have terrorist Shootings and Mass Murder Killings by Plan Murderers.. Evil psychopaths. The case of the LV Massacre and a lot we don’t know and may never know. Your article only brings up a great point, These drugs should not be prescribed to the young. (Many factors play a role on prescribing these drugs) Experts, should use extreme caution when prescribing.

      3. So your answer is to restrict a right rather than address the abuse of that right?

        Like it or not, the first thing you have to consider is the reality of the right to keep and bear.

        This article isn’t about firearm prohibitions, it’s about the misuse of medications, some of which is believed to be orchestrated by the pharmaceutical companies so as to increase profits.

        We have a dramatic increase in these events over the last few decades. Why? Gun,believe it or not, are harder to obtain today that they were before 1968. Before 1968 any adult could walk into the local hardware store and purchase nearly any firearm they wished. Yet mass killings were unheard of. What changed since then?

        Medications are now advertised with “may increase suicidal thoughts and depression”. More and more people have turned to medications rather than work out their issues. Psychobabble has given them the excuse that allow the patient to feel they have a right to their particular anti-social behaviors. Too many parents don’t parent, they medicate a child in the name of controlling the child’s behaviors. Nomal behaviors of children….but if a pill makes the kid quiet down, great right?

        I adopted a girl at 9 years old. Prior to that she had been medicated to deal with her history of physical abuse. She didn’t need meds, she needed a parent who only wanted to protect her, teach her, guide (with discipline if necessary)her and let her have childhood fun. Those took effort on my part, I had to be involved completely. I saw it merely as parenting, others see it as a burden….an burden to which they prefer to rely on medications rather than actively being involved daily as a large part of the child’s life.

        Lanza didn’t need meds, he needed a swift kick in the ass when he was younger. Like most of the shooters, he grew up warped…….and medicated. He…they…never learned that life entails boundries, responsibilities and efforts.

        Guns are the evil in this narrative? Get your head in the game, so far you are doing what so many parents have done…ignored the real problem.

        1. @Eric S Great Response!! When I was younger I saw many kids given “medication” for any number of reasons, just because the doctors either were getting paid off by “Big Pharma” or were too lazy to diagnose properly!! Yes, I was one of those Kids!! My “situation” was because I had gotten into a fight with another kid and the school “FORCED” me to go to a Psychiatrist at an “in patient” facility or they would NOT let me back in school!! The doctor immediately prescribed me medications and I was so “Drugged” that I was like a ‘Zombie’!! Gradually they lowered the Dosages of the meds and even took me off a couple of the meds, and then I was “normal”. After Further tests I was found to have a form of Epilepsy; Complex Seizure Disorder, I do not get convulsions but because of the area of the brain that it affects I could get Very angry or Very Depressed. Double Whammy and the medication that I was put on eased the Anger symptoms, but not the Depression symptoms. It was not until years later that when I had my medication changed that my Depression symptoms were greatly eased! I also went to “Talk sessions” but found they were a Waste of time for me.

          In the past schools would send unruly, misbehaving, or troubled kids to Psychiatrists and they would get loaded up with medications! Now days what do Schools do with unruly, misbehaving, or troubled kids? They expel them or depending on the size of the school district will send them to another school within the school district then after so many incidents kick them out of the school district! They have gone from 1 extreme to the other!

    18. This and how the left handles things which pertain to this country are some of the root causes. This excerpt from the article titled “Mass Shootings and the Left’s Culture of Dissidence”.

      “Left-wing cultural influences, not guns, are responsible for mass shootings.
      In the immediate wake of the horrific Las Vegas massacre, the left has predictably politicized the event to advance its gun control agenda. Such violence has no place in America, leftists trumpet. But in fact, the left is quite okay with destruction and violence under the right, politically correct circumstances.

      It’s okay to burn the American flag.

      It’s okay to disgrace the National Anthem.

      It’s okay vandalize private property.” – By J.A. Frascino, MD

      The rest of the article can be found here – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/10/mass_shootings_and_the_lefts_culture_of_dissidence.html
      Not a very long article but a heck of a well reasoned read!

        1. Nowhere in any of the news coverage of any of the Mas killing did I ever hear about the Political Affiliation of the Suspects, except maybe one or two That I just remembered! Of those 2 people had Republican Party Affiliations and another person was known to have Democratic leanings! The few others where any “political affiliation” was mentioned, those who did the Killings had ISIS Ideology and had “converted” to Extremist Ideology!! But the rest, to my recollection, it was NOT Mentioned whether they were “Right wing” – Republican or “Left Wing” – Democrat or had any other Political Party affiliation!

    19. This site and a lot of people who post on this side are very funny to me at times I wonder if this guy would have been Asian ,Latino,Arabic , black or any other race other than an older white gun owner, retiree who owns property I wonder how this would go I wonder if the justification would be as epic as it is now.? I wonder what he be called words like thug, terrorist ,Criminal? I wonder would the focus stay on the shooter or continue to jump from the gun on to the drugs and every other thing the media and this site is trying to use to justify this guy doing what he did. I like this site and have been a member for a long time but a lot of the shit you guys focus on and more importantly the shit you try so hard to ignore is very funny and very clear….. since there’s nobody else on this site that will say it I will take the torch and say that this guy was a murderous Thug a criminal and a terrorist!!!

      1. Whocares, We could not say it anymore louder than you “the 2017 Las Vegas shooter, in fact all of these shooters were ABOSULOUTLY murderous thugs, criminals and terrorists!!!” . (mic drop)

          1. A criminal? From the moment he pulled the trigger. A murder? Without question. A domestic terrorist? Not without a cause behind the plan and as of yet no agenda has been found. Ft. Hood, San Bernardino , the Pulse Night Club and the Charleston church shooting were all acts of terrorism. Aurora and Sandy Hook were nut cases killing people. If something comes up that points to his having an agenda I will gladly revise my thinking. For now he is just a murderous POS.

      2. A thug is someone whose lifestyle revolves around violence and crime. Funny thing is none of the non-white people I know come close to fitting the description but three or four whites do. Terrorism by definition is an act of violence committed for political gain. Criminal and murderous POS fit this guy perfectly. If some agenda is discovered I’ll add terrorist to the list.

      3. I don’t know how you read that anyone is trying to “justify” what this guy did. He terrorized and murdered people; that makes him a murderous, terrorist. This article just brings up the fact that almost ALL domestic mass shootings, other than those perpetrated by gang members or Islamic Terrorists, are committed by people taking psychotropic drugs that had been prescribed by “medical professionals”. This is THE problem with this type of mass shootings, but the left and the media will completely ignore it because the big pharma companies pay their way, and dealing with the real problem would do nothing to further their agenda of disarming law abiding citizens.

        1. That is what I read. What are you reading? It’s a rich white guy, so it’s ok according to FOX news. They said they had nothing bad to say about this guy….thus a breeding ground for more of him. Just like slavery, shooting unarmed Black men, and they find every reason to justify it. White people want all Black people dead, when that happens you will only mass murder yourselves, but that is ok with you as long as you die with your gun in your hand. Why not hug a person, not a gun.

          1. Most all Black Shootings are Black on Black. I don’t know of any White People who wish Blacks Dead or anyone for that matter. But what I do Know, There is separation in this Country like never before. Blacks calling for Murder of Police and White People. Get your facts straight first. It was that Black Fake Leader and the Raciest Demorat party which Continues to lie and lead the Black race down the wrong path. Using them like they always have for there voting poll. Wake up

            1. How true. These nutty black racists think all whites hate them, the way they hate us. If he understood how little whites care about race, it would ruin his day. We really don’t care what color a person’s skin is. We all bleed red. There is no conspiring against those of color. Obama is the one who started this nonsense, because, being Kenyan, he hates ALL Americans, black and white. He was raises as a communist and a Muslim, his entire being was programmed to take down America. And a civil war would do it. And FYI, who started the KKK, the democrats. Who fought against civil rights, the democrats. Who voted republican, Martin Luther King. Except for Kennedy. He said he’d make an exception. Who did MLK the third vote for, Donald Trump. Wake up to the fact you are a puppet to the democrats and George Soros. They all hate you, just research their past.

    20. So when do families and survivors of rampages file class action lawsuit against Pharma titans, and against the news media for intentionally failing to cover this problem? Also named as defendant, the American Psychiatric Association. If you’ve heard how the 1 percent owns so much, Pharma is part of why. The one percent of the one percent is where money concentration reaches obscenity. I document it at a site where you find nothing to buy http://www.silverstealers.net and it’s about much more than going off silver coins in 1965.

    21. This is definitely something to look at. My sister was placed on Wellbutrin and several others after having pain issues and they began killing her with these drugs. They wouldn’t listen and she tried 3 times to commit sucide. Never had any problems before these medications. She shot herself in the head this past May and died. Doctors and pharmacists are nothing but legal drug pushers. They killed my sister

      1. Sorry for your loss John. You are correct in blaming the drugs. My wife and I work in health care with disabled adults that mostly have mental disorders. We have researched many of these drugs and their side effects. For some people, I will admit that these drugs may be the only answer in controlling their symptoms. But for many people, especially with less severe disorders, these drugs can drive them to suicidal or homicidal thoughts and actions.

        1. Aardvark, you said it, these psychotropic drugs can really mess with your brain, suicidal thoughts and intensifying depression, not everybody has success with these drugs. Trial and error to the point of saying f’ it. Mixing these drugs can be deadly, Xanax is widely prescribed patients aren’t aware of the side effects everybody has a different body chemistry which causes a different reaction to these drugs. Anybody who takes these drugs needs to keep in close contact with their doctor and share information. The mass shootings are horrific and destroy so many lives.

    22. I have thought this for a while and I am sure I would be called crazy for it. I have this “belief” that the One world govt types are behind all of this. My thinking goes something like this…….. “they” need to create in all of us “fear.” They also need to create how we should respond to such fears…….. they need to be able to control us. So “they “make situations where young children are placed on these drugs…young adults and adults as well. Then these people are “groomed” in a sense. “They” know which ones they can count on to perform mass killings. So they keep an eye on all of the ones with psyche issues……..and then they determine which ones will do their heinous acts. Once the act occurs… then “they” convince the rest of us that we need to live in a state of fear. That we need to be tagged, and numbered, patted down at airports, and have our ID’S checked. We need to do drill in schools to prepare for these acts etc….. so when Martial Law arrives we will all do exactly what “they” say. We will be totally prepared for their take overs. I also believe that many of the people in the “they” group are not even aware of their role in all of this… I have had just too much experience with so many doctors putting so many people on these horrid drugs. I have a dyslexic daughter whom I have had to keep away from them even though she needs help with reading and writing…all because they want to put her on drugs, when there is nothing wrong with her, except she is a bit shy, and struggles with the written word. They act like I am the crazy one, but I see things quite differently…:)

      1. Im a phlebotomist and we do blood drives. Black school no ones on meds, white school the majority are. One girl was given meds, because her brother died. If Black kids in Chicago were given meds for that, we would all be on drugs. Chicago is still a segregated school system. We have a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and white people are all diagnosed with some form or another. White people don’t believe in discipline, because they live in a world that lets them get away with murder. When will you realize love and let live is the answer. White nationalist, kkk, etc is a problem only white people can eliminate. Just like so called want to be Black Al Capone’s running around in our neighborhood mimicking the poor white man, thinking they can be praised like Delinger and have museum celebrating their robberies, killing, and whole lifestyle. Oh wait…Trap Rap music with them making millions to tell each other to kill each other.

      2. You are not crazy about what you think is going on with the mefdicating of people and the gromming of them to trigger something in them to do these mass shootings. Many people are seeing thru this. And I know what you mean by protecting your daughter from the doctors who want to put her on drugs. Don’t let them Ii have had the same issues with raising our grandson with a few issues he has had

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