Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

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Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It's NOT Weapons
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Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it's not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information, show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant keywords or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

The list was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single-car accident. Is there a link between Noveske's death and his “outing” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America : http://tiny.cc/zcgh7x
Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America: Get your copy here.

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved in helping several 9/11 hijackers in obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car. To Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80's that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research microbiologist who was working on the CIA's mind-control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth-floor balcony.

In 1994, Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re-examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr's team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall.

The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996, the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate.

On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and one teacher and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. Ten dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for six days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire, killing two classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed standoff at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding ten others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledgehammer, hatchet, butcher knife, and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported having been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially, it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death, his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed nine students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds…

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed six people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed two injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the biased media to cast a harsh spotlight on the issue of mental illness drugs. Don't stop hounding them until they do. As the antis say, “even if it saves just one life,” it is worth doing.

More articles, commentary, and information by D. Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com


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Rosen Otter
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Rosen Otter

You guys do know that SSRIstories.com and CCHR are both Scientology front groups, right?

john
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john

If on psychotropes then already sick. 30% of american kids already taking such drugs?

Harold Poole
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Harold Poole

All read the book (Triangle Research) by Jon Batson. ISBN9761450505529. Good easy read and a real eye opener for those who are concerned with what is happening today.

GoneWithTheWind
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GoneWithTheWind

So is it the drugs or the fact that the individual is so mentally ill they need the drugs. Arguably it is more logical that it is the illness and not the “cure” that causes the problem. Just as arguably provable is that without the drugs even more mentally ill people would commit horrible crimes. I think you have just put your finger on the wrong problem.

MajorFubar
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MajorFubar

Poor little Havana!
Typical lib who becomes totally flummoxed when presented with facts. Truth hurts huh?

Bill Baker
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Bill Baker

@Ragu: No prob, you were in no way my source of annoyance, the blocking thing happened to me at the same time my dogs were annoying me this morning. It’s all good.

Dabigragu
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Dabigragu

Bill, thanks for the reply, by no means was I attempting to school you on blocking/unblocking sites. You’re correct, the lefties have made this their S.O.P., along with making webpages ‘disappear’. Unfortunately Google is only too happy to oblige with both tactics, yet they see no problem feeding a porn site to my 7yr old on an unrelated search.
I’m sure you agree, Google is a willing subject here.
Cheers

Bill Baker
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Bill Baker

I’m well aware of the process for blocking and unblocking a site, but the libs have been doing this to a lot of conservative sites lately and google/mozilla should not be allowing themselves to be such obvious pawns of trolling on the internet. You can turn off the blocking option in the options menu but now sites that are bad are no longer stopped. But I’d rather risk that than be annoyed by this type of games, it’s not worth it. I generally love mozilla and hate internet explorer, but this self reporting thing and using google is wrong.

Dabigragu
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Dabigragu

Bill,
This is typically a warning that they will (if haven’t already) loaded the site with their games. This is called ‘community organizing.
This site’s administrators can easily scan their site, via google, then request/demand google remove the ‘warning’.

Bill Baker
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Bill Baker

The attack site thing really annoys me. Liberals falsely labeling conservative sites that way so google and mozilla will try and stop you from coming here. I put in a complaint with mozilla, but doubt it will do anything.

Dabigragu
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Dabigragu

LOL, yes Mark I noticed ‘they’ have tried to link this site to an ‘Attack Site’.
This is typical of Google when a website reports the truth. Too bad Deborah missed the humor in Mark’s comment.
Way to go AmmoLand!
Carry on.

William
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William

Nearly all the shooters were registered Democrats. Look this one up. Ban all democrats is the answer not GUNS. Lets see how Honest you Liberal smoochers are on this one

Deborah
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Deborah

I agree with Mark above. This page is infected. I just got a warning that my antivirus stopped a trojan virus.

Clean it up!!

Yancey
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Yancey

Trot trot ! Oh sh*it !

Deborah
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Deborah

I don’t think we can even blame the drugs. What precipitated the use (need?) of these drugs for children in the first place? Why are there so many children on drugs? Behavioral problems are noticed first many times by teachers. And the reason usually is divorced parents, broken homes. I would bet a great majority of these kids are children of divorce which has the greatest negative impact on their lives.

Ellen Kashman
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Ellen Kashman

fox news reported on this in 2003. It’s curious, how they can blame video games, bullying, bad parenting, diet- but cannot even mention the one common link. And that poster is right about the offended- 25% of this entire country must be taking these poisons. This is a national disgrace. For extra fun search Eli Lilly + Bribery

Diane
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Diane

Lol
You can tell the people that are taking these medications because their reactions are offended.
People- guns are NOT the problem. It’s the idiot behind it.

TEX
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TEX

Diane,you’re right ! Several people on this site are very sensitive and offended easily. They are trying to justify their own drug abuse/addictions. NO SALE !

Mark
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Mark

I use Firefox who uses Google’s “Blacklist” to warn of viruses on particular sites. Guess what? I got a warning of such a threat trying to come on your site. Interesting don’t you think, that the liberal site Google has done this to keep the truth from people?

Ann Blake-Tracy
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Why would John Noveske be killed for publishing MY list of cases involving ANTIDEPRESSANT-induced school shootings, suicide, violent crime, etc. (NOT “psychotropic” drugs) which I have been reporting for two decades now? This was a very incomplete list as we have FAR MORE cases than this on our list and I still have more to add. I investigated the cases posted at http://www.ssristories.com (which is currently being moved to our main website and now located at http://www.ssristories.drugawareness.org) while our Texas Director for the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, Rosie Meysenberg, began posting them online in 2006. For two decades I… Read more »

carlos j. negron
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carlos j. negron

It is amazing that one is constantly informed of blood alcohol levels etc., yet blood drug levels of mass murderers (especially those dead and of whom autopsies can be performed) are not reported.

Lynna Thompson
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Lynna Thompson

I was on Paxil for depression and had suicidal urges and really crazy thoughts. Anti-depressants are serious stuff and really can cause people to go off the deep end. Off it and thankfully alive.

Paul
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Paul

The problem with the Lawmakers/Congress is they themselves are on Pills as in the Matrix the Blue Pill & the Red pill….problem is they took both!!

dick
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dick

-based psychiatrist David Healy has recently stated “we are giving drugs to children passing through critical development stages a conducting a vast experiment that we do not know what the outcome will be. We are drugging our children and reaping the results. When will we become responsible parents and first get our kids out of government schools and then let then be children. Stand up the the tyrannical thug government.

David B
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David B

Although this is a very strong correlation, it may not be a very strong causation.

Consider that those who are taking antidepressants or antipsychotics are people who often are given them because they are perceived to need them. to put it simply, was it the pills, or were they unstable regardless of the pills?

It’s kinda sorta like blaming a bunch of car breakdowns on some bad gasoline going around, when all the cars that broke down were 30 years old.

Ron
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Ron

Another correlation is that these violent acts did not occur nearly as frequently before SSRI drugs starting being widely prescribed. We weren’t hearing about teenagers shooting up schools or churches or malls or their families, or neighbors, etc, before the psychotropics hit the public.

Leslie Wehman
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Leslie Wehman

We must be cautious in taking causal inferences from this article. Although each individual may have at some point taken psychotropic medication, it is a fallacy to deduct there is a causal relationship. The article fails to mention that hundreds of thousands of individuals take psychotropic medications without violent outburst. My professional summary would posit that a sociopath did not respond to psychopharmecuetical treatment and manifested homicidal ideations.

DRoberts
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DRoberts

No dan, your missing the point entirely, which I thought, and apparently others did as well. The largest shared common factor in these incidents ISNT the type of weapon used, as I already pointed out. The shared common denominator is that ALL of the perps were actively on, or ceased taking shortly before their crimes, some type of psychotropic drug. I really dont know how else to explain it

dan
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dan

DRobert you say there’s a differance to the kinds of guns used. So are you saying there was only 1 drug these people had in common? According to that list, several kinds of drugs were being used. Don’t get me wrong I support gun rights. I just find your arguement a little weak. After all an ssri is a ssri just as a gun is a gun.

Joe
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Joe

Big pharmaceutical companies pay MILLIONS if not BILLIONS to politicians, Dr’s and “others” to keep their POISONS flowing into society. And the SHEEPLE go right along with it, because if their Dr recommends it it MUST be “the answer.” They do not realize that their Dr’s are getting incentives to prescribe the poison, the FDA is being circumvented to get the poisons “legalized”, and then the “treatment” centers make MILLIONS when people are hooked & need help getting off the meds. And so long as the select few make their money they turn a blind eye to the truth.

Becker
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Becker

140,000 and such figures are way too high. I think this was just grabber out of the air by whom ever the information came from. I know of most of these drugs and they don’t make people violent. These people are doing these things for the high they get for the fame the cops and new media gives them. Cheap fast fame. Once their names and pictures are out there, they will be famous for all time. Our society places too much value on being famous like the Hollywood crowd. Who wants to act like a child forever? Screw fame,… Read more »

eagle275
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eagle275

BTW Havana – did you name yourself that to complete your fantasy of Bill Clinton play cigar tricks with you,eh.

eagle275
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eagle275

Havana, do you smoke Cuban cigars, are you from Havana, or what? Just curious, that ADHD of yours is really acting up. Did you just stop talking your Haldol and Lithium,eh.

Henk
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Henk

I do not dispute the fact that psychiatric medicine can induce such behaviour. I take some meds for depression and believe me, it helps. BUT, we must keep in mind that there is guidelines to taking such meds, and the side effects of suicide tendencies, etc are definitely real. That is why such patients are to be monitored closely to establish which side effects are present. As such, it is partly the fault of the doctor and the patient. You can also take the analogy of prescribing antibiotics for every ache and pain, and in the end all the bugs… Read more »

DRoberts
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DRoberts

CIG,

Were the weapons used in all the incidents the same ? Nope, not even close, other then the fact that they were all firearms. Some were pistols, some shotguns, some rifles. So no, the biggest common factor wasnt the weapons used, hence, the common factor is the psychotropic drugs

oldshooter
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oldshooter

Your logic is extremely faulty. The common denominator is not the drugs, because some mass killers in history were not taking drugs, but rather the underlying mental illness. Why blame the drugs when a crazy person does something crazy? It makes far more sense to blame the illness. Consider this analogy: Sometimes boats sink (and sometimes people develop mental illness). When people wear life jackets (or take psychotropic drugs) they generally survive (or function better). Occasionally, people in lifejackets drown anyway (and occasionally, people on drugs get violent). You are arguing, in the analogy, for banning the use of lifejackets… Read more »

Aardvark
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Aardvark

Oldshooter – The article really isn’t about historical mass killers, it’s more about current mass killers. And while some of these psychotropic drugs do help people with more severe mental illnesses, the dosages and combinations of drugs need to be closely monitored by medical professionals. Unfortunately, we live in a time where these drugs are often prescribed to those that don’t need them. A good example is the tens of thousands of military personnel that are prescribed some very potent drugs for something as simple as having trouble sleeping. But in the military you are often put on varying shifts… Read more »

Cog In The Machine
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Cog In The Machine

I’m pretty sure “mass shootings” must indeed have “weapons” in common, otherwise they wouldn’t be shootings. In order to have a “shooting” must we not have an implement with which to “shoot”?

Carroll Childers
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Carroll Childers

When I initially read the header to this article “shooting shares one thing in common” I thought the answer was going to be “they have all been done by Democrats because there is a similar presentation circulating describing various shootings and how the shooter was connected to the Democratic Party.

Bill r
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Bill r

You other factor they all share. They or their parents were all democrats

Dave F
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Dave F

The time is near when all the poor souls who hate us “gun nuts” are going to be damn glad we are here!!

Bill Baker
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Bill Baker

What lefties like Havana always trot out is that you can’t have gun violence without guns. You also can’t have heart attacks without hearts, but neither of those statements has any impact on the problem. Take away the guns, people will still do evil things, like they did for a long time before the invention of guns, but the anti-gunners only can see one thing at a time, and should probably avoid bubblegum and walking, as you know that falling down generally involves getting up from the couch.

BillCa
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BillCa

@Havana – Automobiles kill almost three times the number of people as do firearms. The number who die by poison or toxic materials is also three times higher. Why no outcry? Or is it that your hatred of guns blinds you? The presence of a firearm is not a predictor of homicide. If your anti-gun cronies were correct that the mere presence of a gun leads to more homicides the numbers would be 10 to 100 times higher. But homicide rates have been dropping since 1993. Today they are at about 1972 levels, still twice the rate BEFORE gun control… Read more »

BillCa
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BillCa

@Havana – It is true that the majority of the mass shooters were under some form of psychiatric care, drugs or had recently stopped taking their drugs. The SSRIstories.com listing shows both single and multiple homicides, plus suicides of people taking these drugs. Again, the vast majority of these mass shooters are psychiatric patients taking drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Lithium, et al. It isn’t lying or misleading to point out commonality. This issue deserves investigation. SSRI’s are widely prescribed and over-prescribed while therapy is cut to a bare minimum by insurance providers. There are hundreds of billions of dollars… Read more »

Huapakechi
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Huapakechi

No edit function on these comments. Continuing: If you happen to read the list of cautions and adverse effects included in every prescription, you will see that these medications (SSRI) can cause or exacerbate the very behaviors they are prescribed to treat.

CommonSense4America
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CommonSense4America

Exactly, I was reading a cautionary note on a bottle of sleeping pills,,,,caution, may cause drowsiness. Who knew???

vlad
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vlad

I like the name “Havana” for the person commenting here. Communist government agents posting here are still incapable of hiding their true identity, using the capital of Cuba as a pen name. Brilliant! I agree with the editor, the journalist need not engage in an open ended debate with a propagandist that believes in totalitarian control.

JayCee
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JayCee

Picking on the pharmacutical companies can be dangerous to your health. They are the largest legal organized crime industry in our country.
Turn on TV, they are one of the select few that can still afford to run commercials.

Ray
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Ray

That would be called the government.

Huapakechi
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Huapakechi

There’s more links to ssri medications and violent behavior than there is between CO2 and global warming.

Farmer
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Farmer

Good point … but there’s more money in global bs (or is it global cooling? – oh, wait warming, no …. never mind) than in drugging out children into oblivion…. unless you are big pharma.

John C
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John C

More on violence and antidepressant drugs at http://dietadvisor.com/papers_letters_antidepressants.htm

Greg
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Greg

From yet another perspective……..let’s realize the vast maority of these folks

are under age 25, perhaps less……….this is another problem generational and that

a youth having problems can’t be shut up , given drugs and see ya latter.

Plenty of folks take some of the same and do just fine……….older folks who are

stable and not fighting hormones and youth, parents and peers.

Just a thought……. Greg

DRoberts
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DRoberts

At my editor’s request this will be my last comment on this matter, as much as I would like to say more, my job is to report, not engage in a debate. That being said,there are far more then only three incidents of “mass shootings” as defined by Anti Gun Groups and the FBI on the list contained in my column. Further, its notable, but not surprising in the least that you choose to lump in all people murdered by guns to arrive at your number of 140,000, without breaking down the fact that the vast majority of those murders… Read more »

Vernon nielsen
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Vernon nielsen

I take serious issue with the lack of source citing, it invalidates this as authoritative and places it immediately in the opinion piece realm.

Havana
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Havana

Get to the point, Dan. What is the truth you’re getting so close to? That “Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares The Involvement of Drugs”? Why, then, do you include in your list of “mass shooters” so many unrelated suicides, stand-offs, hostage takings and 1-on-1 killings? That doesn’t help to proof your ‘truth’, just makes the list and your article a blurry rant. Probably a list just as long, or longer, could be compiled of (mass) shootings that would NOT have occurred had the shooters been on the proper drugs (or had the shooters not so… Read more »

Christian Herno
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Christian Herno

My story is a sad one, my wife who was a brilliant woman highly educated Mensa member 2 credits from me calling her doctor took her own life because she was on anti depressants. Cynthia, my wife was transformed by these drugs into a person that did not care about her own life anymore or anybody else’s. The drugs changed her from a beautiful woman of 38 to a shell of what I one knew. To say there is no correlation between drugs and violence is a crazy statement in of itself as we all react differently when these foreign… Read more »

Farmer
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Farmer

Havana …. if you want to keep pimping these drugs, go right ahead. I’ve seen first hand how they screw up minds …. your pontificating won’t change my mind.

Aardvark
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Aardvark

Havana, Aren’t you the one feeding the “gun fear”? This list is completely relevant because it demonstrates the violent thoughts that these drugs induce. Whether someone commits suicide, only murders one person, or murders a whole room full of people, they have still become violent. The point is that these psychotropic drugs are being pushed onto our children, our military, and others at a very alarming rate. Many people are naive about this and just accept that the doctor knows best. But many doctors push what they’ve been taught, or what they may be getting incentives for. As parents or… Read more »

DRoberts
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DRoberts

You know your getting uncomfortably close to the truth when people like Havana comment !

Bill Baker
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Bill Baker

Bill Baker, age 38, prescribed Trazodone for insomnia. Immediately suffered night terrors and suicidal depression but was taken off within 48 hours. Night terrors and depression immediately went away.
Now age 43

Elise
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Elise

I was prescribed Trazodone for insomnia. Used it for a few months as I worked through the problems that were causing the insomnia. One day, decided to try to sleep without it. Never used it again.

Just because YOU had issues, doesn’t mean everyone does.

Havana
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Havana

Dan, you’re paranoid (watch your back!) and your article is completely misleading, if not an outright lie. You write “nearly every mass shooting”, but from this list off mass shootings (http://www.nycrimecommission.org/initiative1-shootings.php), only three cases appear on your list. Of course you would imply that all those cases might involve drugs as well. Yeah, they might. And, most of the cases on your list are not mass shootings at all, but suicides, stand-offs and 1-on-1 shootings. So your title is misleading and your main claims are misleading, untrue. You list some 70-80 drug+gun related deaths since 1998. Your list of drug-related… Read more »

tom lammers
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tom lammers

Correlation does not prove causation. The drugs most likely do not cause people to become violent, but rather people with violent tendencies are more likely to use drugs

Michelle
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Michelle

Get the facts, this article is for the misinformed. FYI – Person who wrote this article; all drugs have side effects. I was a Pharmaceutical Rep for 20 years and I am now a Paramedic, please don’t blame the drugs. The drug that you are blaming is an opioid antagonist or drug that doesn’t allow for any opiates to bind to the opiate receptors. This is not a psychotropic drug, not a mind altering drug, this is actually I life saver drug. So this person was an addict and if he shot up heroin it with have no effect on… Read more »

Andrea Plamondon
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Andrea Plamondon

Hello, Anyone reading the warnings on most prescription drugs knows they (can) have debilitating side effects, and even lethal ones. Anyone researching illnesses and deaths from the plethora of prescription drugs (apart from shooters and shootings) knows drugs are not a “cure”, but are pushed upon an ignorant, lazy, unhealthy and dependent public as the only ticket. Anyone even mildly acquainted with tranquilizers or sleeping pills for an occasional sleepless night, knows the side effects are significant. Anyone reading these articles with an open mind would not lightly dismiss the correlation between prescription drugs and shootings, even if they feel… Read more »

Kaieda
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Kaieda

“drugs are not a “cure”, but are pushed upon an ignorant, lazy, unhealthy and dependent public as the only ticket.” If I may, I would like to give you a bit of insight to someone who is taking one of these drugs daily. I am on Zoloff. At 19 years old I suffered from a complete mental break. I had crippling anxiety and depression. I was in college studying engineering, I tried working out as I heard it that it would help, I’d did nothing, I tried many options before turning to medication. My doctor explained to me that yes,… Read more »

Jack American
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Jack American

Yeah, and I brought my family back from the brink of violence and murder by the hands of 4 thugs with a .38 special revolver. They’re life-saving guns, not life-taking guns. Don’t blame the guns, (or the drugs), blame the person.

Norman
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Norman

The basic cause of these mass murders is the broken family – by divorce, drugs, alcohol, lack of commitment, physical and sexual abuse and the failure of parents to instill in their children the sanctity of life.

CS
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CS

I just wanted to add that the whole entire list provided above consists of children, mostly under the age of 18. If you do not know, the FDA has required SSRI packaging include a BLACK BOX warning stating that children under the ages of 18-24 taking SSRI has increased risk of violent behavior and suicidality in comparison to adults 24 and older and seniors 64 and older. Research has proven that SSRIs have a negative impact on children and young adult. Heck, why would you give your 9 year old or 12 year old child anti-depressants, or any psychotropic drug,… Read more »

Dwal
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Dwal

Michell you say don’t blame the drug. B.S. Don’t blame the gun. Blame the parents and doctors.

Gregory Romeu
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Gregory Romeu

Hey, HERO! First of all, THANKS for your service, secondly, tell us how many of these, “patients” of yours that you stuck a gun into the hands of after your working on them?

TEX
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TEX

Is that the same crap that saved Prince ?

Aardvark
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Aardvark

Michelle – 20 years as a pharmaceutical rep means you were a sales person. I’m afraid you are the one who is misinformed. These psychotropic drugs may have a place in certain circumstances, but they are grossly over prescribed for such things as having sleeping disorders, or temporary feelings of depression. Why don’t you research some of the stories of the families of people that murdered others after being prescribed these drugs? Especially in our military. You will find that the families didn’t even know who their loved ones were anymore (personality wise). http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/psychotropic psy·cho·trop·ic (sī’kō-trop’ik, -trō’pik), Capable of affecting… Read more »

Sandra Saunders
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Sandra Saunders

Thank you.

Farmer
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Farmer

I think that your flying off the handle amounts to a defense of SSRI’s. It has been proven that these drugs cause brain damage. Are you invested in the corporations or have a personal account with SSRI’s? Kids don’t need this crap … they need proper parenting and education.

Aardvark
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Aardvark

In addition to limiting these psychotropic drugs to those that are truly in need of them instead of a teenager that is going through some rough times, get those young people of all the processed foods that are loaded with GMO’s, corn syrup solids,other sugars, wheat, MSG, etc., etc. Many studies are showing that the typical American diet of processed foods are not only causing obesity and diabetes, but also are linked to, or aggravating mental illnesses such as autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, etc.

Al Schmidt
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Al Schmidt

Maybe if you read the side effects that is listed with those drugs, you would get your head out of your ass & realize those drugs do have side effects of violence & suicide. Psych drugs are a multi-billion dollar a year business in the US. Shrinks are given all kinds of perks to prescribe these killer drugs. Those perks can be anything from money, cars to lavish vacations. There is no real science behind these psych drugs. The Army & the VA pass out these drugs like candy. 20 or more Vets & active military commit suicide every day.

oldshooter
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oldshooter

Might help to get your own head out. SSRIs are probably the single most prescribed drugs in the country today. At any moment upwards of 4 Million people are taking them. The fact that miniscule few have become seriously violent indicates that the drugs are extremely safe, not the opposite, as you imply. If the side effects were at all likely to induce violent behavior, we would be seeing hundreds of thousands of violent outbreaks. We are seeing a tiny number, and the number has been decreasing annually, just as the use of these drugs, and the presence of guns… Read more »

Holly
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Holly

First thing, the website that Dan mentioned is actually ssristories.net and there are over five thousand stories where there are mass murders, murders, suicides and murder suicides and what antidepressant they were either on or trying to withdraw from. Big pharma has lied to us about these toxic poisons from the beginning. Eli Lilly, for example, lied about the outcomes of their trials and minimized the side effects and the horrific withdrawals. They are the makers of Cymbalta and they stated from the very beginning that side effects and the effects from withdrawal were only one per cent. It is… Read more »

Bridgette
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Bridgette

Wow! I have firmly believed the drugs were the root of this epidemic. Thank you for sharing your experience! Your 1st hand involvement is exactly what people need to hear! You will never see this in the news!

Pantera Vazquez
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Pantera Vazquez

What is needed is for policymakers to see the correlation between the use of mood controlling or anti psychotic drugs and violence. Sadly the myopic fixation on the inanimate implement as opposed to the causes of violence are the stock and trade of the anti-2a types.

BreakinBad
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BreakinBad

Myopic?
Timothy McVeigh, the Unibomber, Boston bombing brothers, Adolph Hitler, Rev Jim Jones, Charles Manson— the list goes on and on proving it’s PROPAGANDA, not the drugs, that leads SHALLOW MINDS to do mass killings. And when you mix easy access to high powered killing machines, then you are doomed to see this happen again and again. And it is.

Ann Blake Tracy
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Ann Blake Tracy

Not so. This article was taken from my research with the main database now being http://www.SSRIstories.NET. These antidepressants are almost identical in action to PCP, Angel Dust, but produce the effects very gradually rather than immediately due to the gradual increase of serotonin which PCP mimics to produce its hallucinogenic effects. For your information The Unibomber was on the antidepressant Deseryl or Trazadone – the same one the Navy yard shooter was taking in the Spring of 2013 when he went on his shooting spree. Charles Manson was on LSD as were his followers. Hitler was on amphetamines (which antidepressants… Read more »

Jonah Hex
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Jonah Hex

LSD should NOT be lumped with the antidepressant and drugs of which you speak. In addition, Manson killed no one and there is no permanent LASTING effect of lsd on users according to the latest research by scholars and university studies. On the contrary, the latest research is providing positive results with certain hallucinogens such as lsd and psilocybin in the treatment of ptsd, depression, addiction and other disorders of the mind. It has also been shown to relieve anxiety of pending death in cancer and other terminal patients. Please do the diligent research instead of buying and repeating the… Read more »

Jeri
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Jeri

I happen to know Ann personally, and I can assure you that almost ALL of what she does is research. She knows what she is talking about. LSD, etc. absolutely should be lumped in with these drugs. Mind-altering drugs are mind-altering drugs. Whether they are legal, illegal, considered to be “medications” or not.

ALL of these drugs have unpredictable effects. Giving a terminal cancer patient who can’t cope a mind altering drug is a far cry from giving one to your average Joe who is stressed by his job and unhappy over a divorce.

Yancey
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Yancey

You’re right Manson killed no one. The little runt piss*ant coward had his brainwashed sheep do it for him while he waited for them to return to ‘the ranch’ after the Tate/Labianca murders. It’s obvious you’re trying to justify your past LSD/ hallucinogen use ! It does have lasting negative effect on the brain ! No sale !

Aardvark
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Aardvark

LSD as well as all common illegal drugs should be included in the list of “psychotropic drugs”. They are mind, mood, and emotion altering drugs. You need to take your own advice and do your own research!

Gregory Romeu
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Gregory Romeu

“Easy access to high powered killing machines”? You have abdolutley NO knowledge of the thousands of easier to get, easier to make, “high powered killing machines” and are a dolt for even suggesting such. Gregory Romeu – USMC

Carl Schlichting
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Carl Schlichting

You sir I use the term loosely are a prime example of a typical delusional brainwashed liberal shit brain that believes as they are told. God forbid you and your kind wake up to reality and realize that the rest of the world thinks in real terms. Stop blaming the wrong things for the problems at hand. HEIL HITLERY!!!!

Buzz
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Buzz

The facts are:
1. Mental health reform is desperately needed worldwide
2. Politicians ARE using the atrocious acts of the severely mentally ill to crush the 2nd amendment
3. Politicians are NOT doing anything to end the medieval age stigma of mental illness
4. The actions/inactions of these politicians is reprehensible are they are culpable – whether it is the US, UK, or AU…
5. CALL THEM NOW!

Charles
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Charles

Ever hear of psychiatrists being “diagnosed” as mentally ill? So the remedy is we all get degrees in psychiatry and presto, no more mental illness. Sorry pal, the mental illness model is 1000% bogus and many have recognized this, starting with the landmark research “The Myth of Mental Illness” published decades ago. Medicine cannot treat immorality, and immorality is not a bodily illness. “But judge, the disorder made me do it!” Do you actually want to endorse more psychiatric/psychological trash nonsense? What of William Ayers, former president of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, remanded in September 2013… Read more »

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