Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons


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Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It's NOT Weapons
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Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

The list was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske's death and his “outting” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons ?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America : http://tiny.cc/zcgh7x
Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America : http://tiny.cc/zcgh7x

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved in helping several 9/11 hijackers in obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car. To Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80's that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA's mind control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony.

In 1994, Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr's team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall.

The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate.

On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the biased media to cast a harsh spotlight on the issue of mental illness drungs. Don't stop hounding them until they do. As the antis say, “even if is saves just one life” , it is worth doing.

More articles, commentary and information by D. Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com

  • 400 thoughts on “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

    1. If you pay attention to the “cases” quoted her the majority of the shooters and or suicides are kid 17 and under. I agree there has not been enough testing on these drugs on kids to understand how they work… But I have been on SSRI drugs for many many years as I am manic depressive with anxiety disorder And my doctor has always been good to tell me side effects as does my pharmacist and I look them up myself…
      These drugs are vital to some of us so we can just function on a daily basis. I know I would be bed ridden if I were not on my meds..I still have suicidal ideas but it is part my illness.

    2. OK this isn’t a representative sample of the general population nor a representative sample of people who have used anti psychotics or SSRI’s. It is only a sample of people who were so screwed up that they thought it was OK to take a gun to school or somewhere else and shoot people. It is also only a sample of US citizens, and those with easy access to guns. Also this “study” doesn’t seem to be cited anywhere else. The conclusion shouldn’t be that Guns are good and SSRI’s are bad. The conclusion is that people with mental illnesses should receive appropriate treatment and should assessed properly vis a vis their access to guns. I have no proof for this article, but when I read this bullshit I am reminded of the nonsense about psychiatry preached by scientology. Regulate guns and there will be fewer shootings – simple.

    3. Wait, did you guys read the title????
      “Nearly Every Mass SHOOTING In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It’s NOT Weapons”

      I believe that SHOOTINGS require weapons. Null point.

      Also, as a mental health provider, I can say that this author has an opinion (that he is free to share, of course!), yet has not provided adequately fact-checked material. We all want answers, but it’s never a single blame.

    4. Many people are helped by antidepressants. Making a case that all/most of these killings had one thing in common as an indictment of an entire class of proven, helpful drugs is irresponsible. Another thing most of these killings has in common – they are all male killers…therefore should we ban men? Women, please don’t answer that rhetorical question!!

    5. This is what I got out of this article:

      1. In order for these kids to be taking the drugs, obviously there is a history/problem with irrational behavior. The drugs are the symptom, perhaps not the cause of these murderer’s problems in every case.
      The drugs usually aren’t the right answer to the kid’s problems, but sometimes a parent may be at their wit’s end and are uninformed, or be an absent/irresponsible parent and just want a quick fix for their kid’s problem.

      2. While I am fervently opposed to gun control, these examples cite fairly young children doing the shooting. I AM opposed to kids having access to guns, especially if they are recieving psychiatric treatment in any form. Refer back to the previous statemnt about the “Quick Fix Parent” or the one who has just given up.
      If your kid is a minor (like most but not all of the tragedies listed above), and you or a court or a school feels the need to make you put your child on psychotropic drugs, it stands to reason that you just don’t make weapons available.
      I completely understand that if a kid wants to find a gun, he will find one somehow, somewhere. But still, in that case, the parent is letting their kid run around, with friends whose parents have accessible guns (if your kid is messed up and on these meds, I would check out his friends and their parents and ask the right questions), or their kid is out there with enough cash to buy a weapon on the street.

      I am as against gun control as the next person (born and raised in Texas), but when it comes to my kid, as a parent, there needs to be a lot more oversight there. Yes, kids should be taught to respect and learn gun rules early, but if for some reason, they are doing things or feeling things badly enough to warrant treatment, just for safety’s sake, I would lock the guns up. I would also be a lot more viligant about whose houses they were hanging out in, talk to friends’ parents, ask them to do me this favor and put them away while my kid is there, etc.
      Parents can’t control everything, and I realize that not all parents are as vigilant as I would be. But at least I would know I did what I could.

    6. Kip Kinkle’s father called the Doctor’s office on Friday and told them that the new medication he had been put on was causing him to be worse. He was told that the doctor was gone for the weekend, to bring him in on Monday. By Monday both hos parents were dead and he was on a shooting rampage at school. He was convicted and sent to prison. From all accounts, since his meds were changed he has not been a problem in over 14 years. I am told by another prisoner who knows him that he is a really nice guy. He will never have a life as a result of the wrong meds being given him.

    7. My wife and I did a tv show 3 years ago presenting the same facts as the above article.The “hate”mail was overwhelming!Why?Two fold.First you are going to be hated by the liberals who want us to believe guns are the problem and want them banned.Part of the “anything but personal responsibility generation”.I guess if we “ban”mattresses we will also stop prostitution.Secondly is the sad fact that you put your finger on what is become the “first love”of America’s masses;”no more pain or sorrow feel good drugs!”This billion dollar industry promises “miracles”in a bottle to all who will step up and swallow.The “gaping whole”in the American physique(mind)and soul has been predictably created as a result over the last several decades by a departure from clear thinking,clean living and yes “absolutes”of what is right and wrong.ITS TIME for us to unapologetically return to the faith of our fathers and the God of all mercys in Christ our Lord!

    8. There’a definitely an interesting question raised by this article, but like too many of the articles on both sides of the gun debate, it oversimplifies. To say that, because psychotropics may well be a factor, one should simply ignore the role of firearms in these shootings is not a logical train of thought.

      If people would stop pointing fingers at one another and focus on the issue, something might happen. In contrast to what this article states, advertised side effects of psychotropics include depression, possible psychotic behavior, and so on, and in my opinion they are over-prescribed to a degree which is in itself a form of insanity. However, one cannot ignore that presumably the drugs were prescribed because the shooters already had emotional or mental problems.

      Furthermore, one cannot ignore that many if not most were under the age of 18 and using weapons belonging to parents or other family members. Irresponsible gun ownership plays a large role. Frankly, I believe that if you have a depressed teen with serious behavior issues in your home and you also keep firearms there, you are stupid, insane, or both.

      Many of the other firearms were acquired at gun shows or on the internet, with woefully inadequate or non-existent background checks, most notably the Virginia Tech shooting. There is a definite need for closer regulation here. The simple fact is that, Second Amendment or not, some people simply should not have access to firearms. These include those with a history of various mental illnesses. Our forefathers never intended that we should arm lunatics.

      And then there is the possible role of violent movies, TV and games, the problem of absentee parents, and so on and on. To try to treat a complex problem as a single-issue situation is polarizing and counterproductive.
      The tendency to try

    9. There are 60,000,000 people in the US that have recently taken or are taking psychotropic drugs. Ask not what causes someone to do such violence, but ask what restrains the people that don’t do such violence. This is the key. Tell people why they should not do this type thing. Perhaps many others are acting out their resentment in other ways. Really what all these have in common is uncontrolled anger and resentment.

    10. The only way we will know for sure if the serotonin uptake inhibitors are causing people to commit suicide and violent attacks against other people at a higher rate than these people will commit suicide and attack other people because of their underlying mental illness will be to conduct a very large placebo controlled double blind clinical trial in patients with these mental illness and run the studies for an extremely long period of time with an enormous study group. Since the shootings are rare the number of patients involved will be enormous and quite costly. If older tranquilizers and antidepressants are not thought to have these adverse effects they could be used in place of placebo so that all patients are offered some therapy rather than having a placebo group. However if older antidepressants also may cause suicide and violent behavior the difference between the rates in an older med group versus a newer serotonin uptake inhibitor group may not be statistically different which could mean both groups have the drug-induced problem at similar rates or the drugs used in both groups are not causing the suicides and violent behavior and the rates being seen in both groups are due to the underlying psychiatric diseases. There are concerns about the ethics of leaving seriously depressed patients on placebo however if these drugs really are dangerous and causing suicide and violent behavior like mass killings perhaps a placebo controlled trial could be performed with intensive patient followup to
      prevent actual suicides and violence by detecting early manifestations of these reactions. Perhaps the study could be limited to severely depressed institutionalized patients only where they would already have the intensive monitoring to prevent actual harm to themselves or others. If a new drug with dissimilar mechanism of action to SRI’s is discovered and shown effective for depression this new drug could be substituted for placebo in the two armed double blind trial and the trial would not have an ethical problem.

      Other drugs have had similar charges against them about causing more harm than good. Aspirin once daily was prescribed to prevent a first
      heart attack and used for many years. Finally a very large NIH clinical trials was performed against placebo and it was shown that Aspirin causes as many or more patients to die due to serious GI bleeding than were saved by preventing a heart attack. Use of aspirin for primary prevention of heart attacks is no longer considered appropriate therapy. Similarly many anti-arrhythmic drugs were shown to be very effective at blocking VPDs and they were presumed to prevent life-threatening arrhythmias like V. fibrillation and V. tachycardia. Initial trials showed the drugs had some pro-arrhythmia effects including perhaps causing some deaths but certainly making the rat e of VPDs higher than before treatment rather then suppressing them. A large NIH study finally showed the anti-arrhythmic drugs were causing more deaths due to serious cardiac arrhythmia than in patients treated with an implantable pacemaker which really was saving patients; lives.

      In none of these instances was there a conspiracy of the drug companies to market dangerous drugs. It was a case of not being able to conduct the definitives trials than show an effect on long term mortality for quite some time due to the enormous cost of these types of studies until finally NIH funded the study and it was performed.
      Demanding mortality studies for all new drugs would be so costly and time consuming that it is feared that requiring them for all new drugs would probably block the development of many new drugs just because pharmaceutical companies can’t afford to do these enormous studies. Patients would feel that effective drugs were deliberately being kept off the market by drug companies if this were the case.

    11. what about the virginia tech guy? You didn’t list him. According to wikipedia it’s considered one of the deadliest mass shootings by a single gunman world wide.

      Not trying to snark or anything. I actually believe you are on to something but omitting one Seung-Hui Cho I felt was a pretty big omission.

    12. What needs to be remembered is that if all of these people were prescribed these medications, they were having emotional problems in the first place! They were already unstable, so you can’t make the assumption that they killed because they were on the medications. They may well likely have done it anyways. As a person who is on medications, I feel that I can speak on this issue.

    13. First of all, a gun is not capable of killing an individual. A person behind the trigger is. @Havana — if you’re going to subtly point out that guns were the main TOOL used in killing these people, please, also, point out the fact that the sledgehammer is just as capable of doing the killing. Or the butcher knife. I hate it when people like to blame inanimate objects for people’s actions or poor decisions. “Oh, the money made me do it!” “The gun was the reason why I killed that person; not because it was premeditated or anything!” Jeez. And secondly! Dunno how reliable this article is when proper English is used correctly! There is a difference between “then” and “than”! I promise! Ask any Elementary school teacher! All media should be taken with a grain of salt. Tone should be considered, audience should be considered and most of all, PURPOSE should be considered. Watch for bias. It’s better to be skeptical and erudite THAN to be gullible and misinformed. THEN! You won’t sound ignorant discussing topics such as these touchy ones later. (See what I did there?) 😉

    14. Mental health issues, or medication issues. No way of knowing as this is is correlational information at best. I would agree with one implication that you’ve made…………much more attention, resources, awareness and funding for mental health are sorely needed.

    15. While nearly all of the mass shootings involved these drugs you say, I say all of these shooters breathed air. By your cause&effect analysis wouldn’t that be the real cause?

    16. There is a huge difference between correlation and causation. Is there a correlation between use of therapeutic psychotrophic meds and acts of violence? Perhaps. But, as Bobby Henderson so famously proved, there’s a correlation between the drop in the number of pirates worldwide and the rise in global temperature. As Johnny already stated, correlation does not imply causation. Equating the two is an attempt by a (typically) lazy mind to see a connection that isn’t there. Does it hold up to scientific scrutiny? Absolutely not, but neither do a lot of other things that people believe. No sin there.
      Where this article veers into the realm of irresponsible pseudo-journalism is the thinly-veiled attempt to demonize the medications that these people are prescribed in an attempt to control their condition. In an earlier comment, the author challenged anyone to list the specific comments that he made indicating that “the drugs made them do it”. He then smugly waited for someone to point them out. Of course, that is a Sisyphean task, because he never actually came out and said it. However, by asserting that “nearly every mass shooting event” in the last twenty years was committed by someone who was either on, or had recently been on, therapeutic psych meds, he certainly seems to imply it. He then ups the ante by wondering what drugs three of four others were on. Did he come out and say it? Of course not; he’s not that stupid. But the implication is pretty clear to anyone with even a shred of intelligence; the second paragraph of this screed indicates that pretty clearly.
      He then delves deeper into the asinine by mentioning ‘multiple credible scientific studies’ (without citing even one) that demonstrate that SSRIs can cause violent or suicidal behavior. Duh. He then goes on to insinuate that pharmaceutical companies have somehow covered up this information. Has the author ever read the literature that comes with, say, Paxil or Zoloft? It’s there, in black and white. I mean, it’s on Wikipedia, for Pete’s sake. There’s no mystery there; it’s a known quantity.
      While I agree that antidepressants may be overprescribed, by linking these drugs to acts of violence, the author creates a quasi-credible strawman to give a rallying cry to those who seek to make this about more than violence and the non-human accessories thereto. Maybe we should make it about the mental health issues that are in evidence in nearly all those cases.
      On second thought, nearly every one of these incidents involves one common factor; they were committed by men. Maybe we should just outlaw testosterone…

    17. Dan, have you considered that it is not the SSRI or other drugs that are complicit here, but rather the conditions for which the people are taking the drugs? If not, it is certainly the elephant in the room, and needs attention. Your correlation is exactly that, a correlation, and does not imply causation. Anyone who has taken basic statistics knows that. I am not a “leftie” or anti-gun person, as my Springfield XDM .40 will show, but have you talked to any mental health professionals in writing this articles, or are you just throwing together “facts” as if they anything to do one with the other? Seems to me you arew simply trying to detract or deflect from the roles firearms play in these tragedies. No offense to responsible gun owning citizens or the NRA, but this hypothesis is really reaching and flies in the face of more comprehensive data. I think Johnny above is much closer to correct here. PS – I am a mental health professional, though I do not prescribe meds.

    18. I am very glad I no longer live in the USA. Seems things to have gotten pretty crazy since when I was growing up there during the 60’s and 70’s and played on city streets without fear. Blaming shootings on the medications alone is missing the point. Since most of the mass shootings involve relatively young people, yes, the fact that these drugs do warn that teenagers and children be carefully monitored for suicidal tendencies or unusual behavior while on them is a warning to be heeded. But many people are helped by SSRIs. My life was saved by Prozac, but not before 2 years of trial and error and minimal relief. To say these drugs are harmful is misleading as there are many people who would agree that without these drugs they may not have survived or would have become more and more ill. No, I never felt violent or suicidal while taking SSRIs. But I did feel suicidal and hopeless before starting on them. I was a person who avoided antidepressants like the plague. For 10 years I struggled with therapy and alternative medicine only to find that I was sinking lower and lower. When the Prozac finally kicked in after 2 months, I remember feeling ‘myself’ again and free. Not hyper happy or up in the clouds. Just normal and able to function again. I am very grateful I got help in time. My only wish is that I had sought help sooner and had not been so scared by all the reports on these drugs causing so many problems. The few side effects certainly outweigh the benefits.
      Maybe if the author of this article had researched his theory by including other countries where people take just as many SSRIs and are not out killing or committing suicide to the degree that happens in the US, maybe another reality would become apparent.
      Finding a solution to avoid these needless deaths is more important than proving who’s right. It could be easy access to weapons, the medication, mental illness, societal influences or a combination of all of the above. We need to be looking at the BIG picture and stop bickering about the details.

    19. Ritalin is not an SSRI. It is a totally unrelated medication, a stimulant, used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
      And maybe what all these people had in common was not the medications they took to treat their psychiatric illness, but rather the illnesses themselves. Clearly, in these cases the medications didn’t help, but it’s quite a leap to say they caused the murders and/or suicides.

    20. I agree with that MrGoodHands, I think that whenever a household member is prescribed one of these pyschotropic drugs, they should be required to produce a sponsor, someone able to do an investigation into the possibility and ease of access to a firearm. I think that fault for this situation is far broader than we realize, I know that if any member of my household was taking medication for anxiety, extreme depression,or other problem, I would make a special point of making sure that there was no way for them to gain access to any of the guns that I own. Plus all of my firearms are stored…with a trigger lock, inside a gun safe…in a locked room. Everyone can take a little more responsibility in my opinion.

    21. This shows a correlation between mental illness and mass murder, not a causation between prescription medication and violence. I think we can all agree that someone who attempts mass murder has mental health issues.

    22. Correlation does NOT equal causation. Clearly those taking psychoactive drugs need them for some chemical imbalance in the brain. Is it not more likely that the neuropsychological conditions of these people are driving them to commit these heinous acts, as opposed to the medication they take?

    23. Ok gun nuts – these drugs are only available by prescription – at least they are only *supposed* to be available by prescription. You want to blame the drugs and not the guns? Suppose we regulate access to the guns the same way we do to the drugs and see what happens to gun violence problems. Deal?

    24. I used to take Adderall, Concerta, and strteria for my ADHD growing up. I tried committing suicide to many damn times to count, my senior year of high school I quit taking them altogether. Due to being on the ADHD meds since 4th grade I now have depression but I sure as fuck will not take anymore pills given to me by the government. Oh another thing my mom did have me switched off of Concerta Havanna because I was becoming way to violent and abusive, laughing when things died when it wasn’t even funny. So if you want to say this is a lie please take everything I write and stuff it up your ass because THE DRUGS DO FUCK UP YOUR MIND SO BAD YOU HAVE A MENTAL SNAP. Now which my past use of those drugs I always stayed away from anykind of weapon (I’m from Chicago where finding illegal guns is just as easy as finding gum on the street). I didn’t acquire a weapon and kill no one, so you are trying to blame guns for the killings, stand offs and whatever else you can try to blame guns on when it wasn’t even relevant to THIS article, so you hide behind the oh so truthful government and the lies while we all see the truth. TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW THE DRUGS ACTUALLY WORK!!!

    25. I woke up on 6 Jan with no voice. Had a previous bout of laryngitis in October 2012, where I wasn’t taken seriously at my Dr until 12 days with no voice, when they did blood tests and gave me antibiotics – recovered completely.

      What happened to me on 12 January I will never forget and I just have to write this down, to raise awareness of the terrible impact I felt from taking steroids.

      Awoke on Sunday 6 January with laryngitis again, had absolutely no voice, but felt OK, and able to do chores etc.

      Monday no better – worked from home but still felt OK.

      Tuesday – voice wavering – went to Grey London but did about 6 hours work before returning home – phoned Dr and got an apt for Thursday 11.15. I was beginning to feel quite ill and very short of breath.

      On Wednesday I felt awful so came home from work, and struggled through the afternoon.

      Thurs – woke up, felt terrible but was thankful for Dr apt. Walked in – she apologized about October 2012 incident and wanted to quash this quickly so gave me a prescription for amoxicillin, a steroid inhaler as breathing was very shallow, and STEROIDS – 20 mg Predisilone for 3 days. No discussion about side effects, or glaucoma etc. She checked my temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, glands and prescribed blood tests for thyroid and an ultrasound scan.

      I was prescribed 4 x 5mg predisonole tablets for Thurs, Fri and Sat – read up about side effects, but felt OK on Thurs. By Friday I was manic, twitching, pacing, no sleep, anxious, thirtsy, starving, panicked, pacing, hyperactive – can almost say that had I been at a roof party in a house or near a train, or main road I would have killed myself.

      Effects became worse on Sat AM – so I didn’t take the 4 x 5mg tablets until Sunday. I then drove myself from W10-W1 to get my hair tinted – Had windows down as was such an amazing day – music blasting as was high as a kite and felt very happy – singing at top of voice with no voice and probably sped at 85 mph with no realization – scary.

      Parked, paid for parking, went into Starbucks for a coffee – the caffeine made me even more hyperactive and couldn’t sit down whilst in the hair salon. Paced up and down whilst hair was setting.

      Prior to that I had seen a pair of shoes for my new boyfriend which I bought for £199 on sale.

      Left hair salon – found myself in Chanel buying a handbag and Wallet for £3k. Explained to cashier that I had been ill and she actually asked me if I was of sane mind to make the purchase. I thought I was ….. and she explained that I could only have a credit note if I decided that they weren’t right so she wanted to ensure that I was aware of that.

      Drove to meet Carla in Maida Vale as was starving – she told me I was manic and not normal.

      Came home and tried to rest but just paced the flat for hours. Liesa arrived – showed her my purchases – she showed me hers – sort of calmed down over dinner and some red wine.

      Slept for a few hours.

      Woke up at 9am finally and went to get my nails done in salon and then met Amie and Liesa for lunch at Pizza East. Drank Prosecco and felt better, as the alcohol actually calmed me down.

      Returned home to try and sleep – no change and paced the flat again.

      That evening I went to Portobello House – the most amazing reaction feeling I have experienced. Totally high and elated, as they had a cabaret night and was dancing and singing and having a great time. I had gone with my ex boyfriend Sean, but he left me there at 10pm as was annoyed that I was talking to anyone and everyone and ignoring him and dancing and singing. He thought I was high on Cocaine and very drunk.

      He emailed me the next day telling me so. I was mortified as wasn’t really aware of my behavior and that day I woke up feeling soo ill. I went back to Dr on 1st waiting list for walk in – she apologized and checked me over, but said there was nothing she could do and I just needed to rest. She prescribed more antibiotics, 500mg of amoxicillin and another steroid inhaler, BP 179/100, heart rate 90 bpm. I felt panicked and anxious. She sent me home, without stating that the steroids could have made me feel like this.

      Spoke to parents and Carla and Liesa but I don’t hugely remember and drove home.

      Nora my cleaner came over and actually said I should sit down and have a glass of red wine, as it may calm me. I did and felt a little less anxious.

      My friend Tara came to stay and we had a chinese takeaway and good chats – felt calmer

      Awoke the next day after ½ valium and 9 hours sleep.

      I didn’t know that you are not supposed to mix alcohol and valium as that can kill you, as was explained by a physciatrist to me on 18 February, my birthday.

      The following day I went shopping to Moschino and Primark and spent another £5k.

      On the Sunday when I spoke to my parents, I was putting on my boots to go out – didn’t know where I was going or why – they persuaded me to stay in.

      Had I been at a party – rooftop, open space I may have jumped off through deliriousness.

      Managed to work from home and spoke with 2 ENT specialist who assured me there is nothing wrong with me – withdrawal symptoms from nicotine and steroid should never have been introduced. I nearly killed myself in 72 hours based on nothing.

      I left the Dr surgery believing that I had an overactive thyroid as had lost 6 pounds in 9 days and have tripled my food consumption I went on a steroid trip which I will NEVER FORGET – for no reason that has cost me 4 week of my life – be warned – they are not to be taken lightly or messed with. I lost a further 5 pounds in weight.

      By Thursday I was completely bi-polarly manic, and my dear friend Carla came round and urged me to see a private GP for an alternative opinion.

      I walked in and briefly described laryngitis and steroids, and he diagnosed steroid physcosis immediately. Said I would feel very high and then very low, but that I would recover, he couldn’t give me anything for sleep as the steroids over ride absolutely everything, so would eventually get back to normal.

      He got me into an ENT specialist from Monday and I was checked out and she confirmed that there was nothing wrong with me, but I had a lot of congestion. She also confirmed that steroids and a steroid inhaler would clash and not make me feel very well.

      On Tuesday I popped into Specsavers for an eye test as I felt my vision had become impaired – they urgently referred me to an Eye Specialist at Moorfields due to high pressure in eyes – caused by steroids – at no point did my Dr ask me about glaucoma history in family as steroids should never have been prescribed to me as my great grandmother was blind and grandmother had acute glaucoma.

      I had to have urgent laser surgery to avert a bout of acute glaucoma!

      I wrote a letter of complaint to my Doctors surgery and the practice manager called to discuss, but denied having lost my forms.

      I had to go to the surgery to collect my forms and had a massive rant at the useless receptionist there who just was not taking me seriously.

      Pru Health forms finally faxed through later that day as I had requested 3 weeks previously.

      I had a call with Pru Health about how ill I had been and they approved most of my claims retrospectively.

      Blood tests Thursday – all clear.

      Ultrasound Scan revealed nodules on thyroid which are also causing discomfort in voice.

      Laser Surgery on eyes – received all clear 2 weeks later

      ENT specialist – tablets and nasal spray for 6 weeks – on them for another 3 months – speech therapy recommended.

      I went to see a Physciatrist on 18 February as was due to fly to Sydney on the 20 February with my new boyfriend and he needed reassurance that I was mentally able to fly. I had had 2 breakdowns over the 4 weeks, whereby I drank the best part of 3 bottles of wine and smoked 40 cigarettes, and cried on my friends. They believed that I had become and drug addict and an alcoholic.

      My oldest friend phoned my parents to tell them so. She did it out of the kindness of her heart, but nobody believed me that I wasn’t taking drugs, which hurt me even more. I was physchotic and also had disbelieving friends, as my personality had changed sooooo hugely from the steroids.

      The physciatrist confirmed that I was mentally well, but suggested counseling as need to process the whole experience.

      I have just returned from a 25 day holiday which did me the world of good. I am back to normal again – thank god, but some people never recover and are mentally ill for the rest of their lives. If I wasn’t as strong as an ox and a fighter, I fear that I may never have recovered, and this is why I wrote this down.

      Please help me raise awareness of the damaging affects of steroids. I urge everybody to withhold from taking them ever, unless you are seriously ill. I had a virus, and was not at deaths door, but felt poorly. I nearly died from the medication, not the virus.

      I am due to start counseling on 28 April, to digest and process and get over this awful nightmare that I endured.

      Thanks for reading this.


      Romilly Endacott

    26. Humanbeings are complex beyond the full understanding of anyone on this comment board. We are all damaged. Each of us struggles, in one way or another. Some of our issues come from chemical imbalances and some from negative/traumatic life events.

      To be honest all of this is a rather large waste of time and energy. That is unless someone here has the instructions on how to create a free wonder drug that will treat every unique patient without any side effects? (Insert adderall joke).

      Jokes aside, come on people. Let’s take the energy we put into things like this and aim it towards actual positive human connection. No I’m not a hippie. So many of the people in the list above considered themselves outsiders. I can’t create a drug to cure depression but I know taking a moment to be kind to a stranger won’t end in a mass murder. I’m not saying being nice will solve any off these issues absolutely. However it would be more productive then arguing on a message board that everyone is going to forget about in a week.

      This should be about helping people, not a platform to push against gun control.

    27. Having worked as a nurse, many of these medications have side effects as bad if not worse than the initial problem the patient complained of. If you see a psychiatrist, he will prescribe a medication much more often than not. He is more worried about his license and insurance premiums than ill effects these meds have. If he does nothing, he is open for a lawsuit for lack of care. Most patients feel that a pill cures everything. They don’t want to wait for prolonged therapy, they want an instant cure NOW. Most drugs take 7 to 10 days to build up a therapeutic level in your system. Impatient clients take more medication than prescribed to hurry along the level, drink alcohol while on these meds, which reverses the effect of them. They discontinue them suddenly, when they really need to be tapered off these meds. Some forget to take them on a regular basis, causing more harm than good. It can take a long time to get dialed in on the proper med with the correct dosage. Sometimes they need to try other medications in addition to the initial drug prescribed or substitute a new med for an ineffectual one. Every patient is different but no one should think that there is an INSTANT FIX.

    28. It,s not the drug it,s those problems you go through when stop taking cold turky,there’s where the problems start,all narcotics does this ,with draws,halucenations start and danger begin,s or suicidal. It,s thanking hour better and stop taking them,it is a drugs you can’t just stop at once. Slowly lower the dose a little bit at a time .ten years taking haft that time to stop them.controlled withdrawal. God bless those that don’t cold turkey.and God help those who do.

    29. All this conclusively indicates is that “nearly all” of these people had symptoms of mental illness, which isn’t surprising. This logic is a little backward. People who are criminally ill & go on medication were ill to start with. Of course they’re going to have that in common. You know what else I bet “nearly all” the offenders had on common? Eating meat and owning jeans.

      This is pretty irresponsible journalism. I hope the people being helped by medication don’t see this & stop taking their meds without consulting their doctors, because that could *actually* cause a serious & widespread problem.

    30. Provocative article. Emotional issues cause us to want to point the finger. Human nature always wants to justify and explain abnormal behavior. Rational thought does to apply to the irrational mind. Perhaps our author is on to something. Particularly if we study
      Mass shooting with teens or early twenties on psychotropic meds. Is it the meds or the child rearing?

    31. Obviously a connection here, but I wouldn’t blame the drugs themselves per se. It always comes back to the parents. There are many broken homes with parents more concerned about themselves than their children. Not raising them with morals. Not teaching them right from wrong. And as quick as “Johnny” acts up, rely on drugs for a quick fix. If parents would only build a relationship with their children early on. Teach them love and respect for others, spend time getting to know what their interests are, teaching them to work hard, etc. etc. these horrible events would be very rare.

    32. You’ve stumbled upon a problem related to the general behavior of the SSRI, and it is not a secret. The warning pops up every time you prescribe one. It’s also mentioned in all of the television commercials. This is not as subversive as you think it is.

      SSRI drugs are noted for slow onset. During the adaptation phase a patient will only notice one change- more energy. The drug will not impact the patient’s feelings of depression for several weeks after beginning treatment. So what you get is a depressed person with loads of newfound energy. This is the reason for the sharp rise in violent behavior in the weeks following the initiation of treatment. If the patient stays the course, things get better.

      The drugs are contraindicated for children and teenagers. They get prescribed sometimes when the problems are so significant that the doc doesn’t have anywhere else to turn. Kids with problems get the big drugs, not the other way around.

      Where is the list of SSRI patients who had suicidal and homicidal tendencies upon which they did not act? That list is longer.

    33. Fine, so it’s not guns, it’s mental illness.
      Why aren’t we doing something about it, like Canada does?
      Well, here’s this same publication arguing against restricting purchasers with mental illness from buying guns.

      Which way do you want it?
      Here’s the law in Canada, which the NRA will fight tooth and nail here-
      Criminal and Psychiatric Checks

      According to section 5(1) of the Firearms Act, “[a] person is not eligible to hold a licence if it is desirable, in the interests of the safety of that or any other person, that the person not possess a firearm.”[38] Therefore, “[a]n applicant for a firearm licence in Canada must pass background checks which consider criminal, mental, addiction and domestic violence records.”[39] Besides criminal checks, in order to determine eligibility under the Act, authorities must consider whether within the previous five years the applicant

      has been treated for a mental illness, whether in a hospital, mental institute, psychiatric clinic or otherwise
      and whether or not the person was confined to such a hospital, institute or clinic, that was associated with
      violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the person against any person; or

      has a history of behavior that includes violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the
      person against any person.[40]
      In addition to background checks, “third party character references for each gun licence applicant are required.”[41]

      Applicants are screened using a two-tiered process. According to a 2010 evaluation report on Canada’s Firearms Program, “[t]his process entails submitting an application requesting that the applicant provide detailed personal information; when this application is assessed by the CFP, special attention is given to those applying for a Prohibited and Restricted Firearm License.”[42] Moreover, all applicants are also “screened on an on-going basis through the provisions of ‘continuous eligibility’, a monitoring function that has a licensee ‘flagged’ for a review of their license should a matter of public safety arise after they have obtained their license.”[43]

    34. I don’t need facts to believe that these drugs can cause this behavior. when I was 14 I was put on Paxil, after taking them for two months, I tried to kill myself. The withdraws where Hell, I was so sick! Later they stopped prescribing Paxil to teenagers b/c like me a lot of other young people were trying to kill them selves. I’m 28 now, never before or after stopping the Paxil have I attempted to kill myself. I don’t take any thing, I was just having a hard time adjusting to be a teenager, All the hormones. All I really needed was some guidance.

    35. Simple phrase explains why this article is misleading and comes to a false conclusion: Correlation does not imply causation. Simple example that follows the author’s line of logic:

      Hey, did you know that scientists found a common factor with all rainstorms over urban areas: UMBRELLAS. Scientists observed that during 95% of rainstorms over urban areas, nearly every person had an umbrella. UMBRELLAS MUST LEAD TO RAIN.

      And don’t call me some leftist. I just don’t appreciate being lied to. I gaurantee I own more guns than most people on this site.

    36. The writer forgot to mention one thing. The reason these people are on psychotropic drugs is that they are mentally ill.

    37. I have seen lists like this with all sorts of claims around them. I have yet to see sources for the “facts” given. I am not calling you a liar, just saying that without any way to verify what you are saying, nobody is going to listen.

    38. You need to go back and verify your facts to ensure that you are not playing into the, “Coincidence? I think not,” mentality. Mental health is very under managed, in this country. We need to begin addressing the stigma that is perpetuated by articles, such as this, that create an image of people caring for their brains as if they are to be feared. The brain is another part of the body. It can get sick and may need treatment, but if people are afraid to communicate their concerns or issues with their doctor, they will hide it and then find themselves sicker than before. It isn’t necessary. Although written with great intent, I am assuming, I question what exactly the purpose was. To instill fear? Point the business end of the problem somewhere other than guns? Think about the motive.

    39. Thanks for your thoughtful consideration in regards to this article. I believe what the point being made is that the side effects verses the benefits are not being considered. Therapy is a wonderful tool in helping people work through issues. Suppressing the issues with medication is dangerous. Meaning these Serotonin boosters were designed for short term use to help relieve people in a manic state under constant observation and care of a Dr. That’s not the way they are being distributed. I have friends and acquaintances whom been prescribed these pills years ago and there still on them without observation. In my fellowship, I have seen countless suicides and all have been on theses pills for years. The problem starts with the pharmaceutical companies, government and a civilization that is afraid to be accountable. Sad as all hell!

    40. we don’t let blind people drive, we don’t let minors drink, why are we still allowing crazy people access to firearms?

    41. My sister sent me the link to this article when she knew that I was considering putting my fourteen year old daughter on antidepressants. Eventho I have never would have considered doing this is the past I started to feel that I might have to. I did some research on line on Prozac and other meds they use for adolescents and all of the studies said the same “study subjects had increased suicdal/homicidal thoughts when on the meds and caused impulsivity…..Not to mention all the other horrible side effects like nausea, diarrhea, heads aches, and the list goes on. I realized then that there’s really no good reason to put my child on any of these meds. After reading this article that solidifies my decision. Children and adolescents bodies are still growing and developing they are not hormonally stable. No psychiatrist has any business giving meds like these to young people.

    42. I definitely understand the outcry of doctors prescribing these medications very easily, especially to teenagers. I can tell you from my own experience that Paxil and now Lexapro for anxiety and can tell you I couldn’t live without them.
      Perhaps these drugs have a strikingly different reaction for other people. The question is how do we monitor or prevent it?

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