NY Gun Confiscation – Citizens Told to Turn in Pistol ID & Firearms

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Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation as a result of New York’s new gun laws was too “insane” to even consider?

That it was strictly in the realm of paranoid conspiracy theorists and the “it cant happen here crowd”?

Those were and remain some of the standard replies to anyone who even thought about the possibility, let alone gave voice to it, despite the fact that Gov Cuomo and numerous other officials made public comments about such a plan, as I discussed in my article “Feinstein & Cuomo Admit Planning Australian Style Government Gun Buy Back” .

Elected Officials, the media, various Gun Control Groups and their zealous forced disarmament supporters, even some firearms owners themselves all insisted it was to crazy to even consider.

There’s just one huge problem it is happening now in New York State!
It seems those that tried desperately to warn of such an insidious plot had hit the bullseye with their warnings after all. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.

Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated  have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs, such as those for Depression or Anxiety. These are known as SSRI ( Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) class drugs and have the potential to cause serious and adverse side effects, something I wrote about extensively last week in an article that went viral in days and caused multiple Anti Gun and Progressive News Groups to initiate a concentrated denial of service hacker attack against Ammoland Shooting Sports News (see Daily KOS ” Keeping Track Of The RKBA Crowd” http://tiny.cc/ug67uw),  in an effort to keep the information from the public.

From NY http://tiny.cc/nyfirearms

“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.

Those are the facts. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now, before anyone trots out the old saw about how this is nothing more then a paranoid, unsubstantiated rumor on a “gun nuts” internet forum. I spoke to the Attorney of Record in this matter on the phone this morning and he confirmed that the above snippet is accurate and these cases are happening!

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James Tresmond Esq confirmed in our conversation that the above mentioned case is occurring in Erie County NY, it is his client that has been effected, and as yet unknown sources have seen fit to take it upon themselves to share confidential medical records with NY State Officials without authorization, a massive HIPPA violation.

It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.

Here is a link to the Attorney of Record on this case, Jim Tresmond, giving a radio interview on the Tom Bauerle Show on WBEN 930AM/107.7 FM:

http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6319907

This is an unprecedented violation of a Citizens 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment RIGHTS, brought to fruition by power and control hungry tyrants holding elected office who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the very rights they are now actively stripping from their constituents.

Moreover, the confiscation efforts underway in NY State have had another, albeit unintended effect. By undertaking this course of action, those in power have inadvertently pulled back the curtain on something they have suppressed from the Citizens for far to long, leaving them with precious little wiggle room to explain away their actions.

  • Either they are acknowledging that there is in fact some sort of little reported link between the prescribing of psychotropic drugs and violent behavior, thus they are somehow, at least in their own minds “justified” in their actions to preempt someone from violence.
  • Or, this is nothing more then a backdoor confiscation effort and massive abuse of governmental power unleashed on innocent Citizens.

Those are the only two possible explanations.

If anyone still feels some level of doubt regarding the veracity of this story, Attorney Tresmond welcomes anyone to visit his website tresmondlaw.com, Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7 ), or send an email to [email protected]

Mr Tresmond asks that those making inquiries be mindful and respectful of the fact that they have been deluged with inquiries in recent days and therefore a personal reply may be delayed or impossible due to the volume.

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jefe

I don’t understand how it is legal to infringe/restrict a person’s 2nd Amendment right without adjudication or due process of the law?

Why aren’t we concentrating on the obsession of the “gun control” community to restrict our rights without adjudication (judge, due process, lawyers, experts, defense, appeal, etc.)? They are trying to set a dangerous precedent!

Nancy

With EMR, electronic medical records, mandated by Obama-Care, doctors don’t need to open their records, the government can glean the information they want from the huge data base of computerized records in the “cloud.” Privacy is a joke these days.

Cael Stigweard

@Steve I wrote: “The fact that more vets have died due to PTSD suicide than have died on the fields of Afghanistan can attest to how bad PTSD can be.” Steve wrote: “That’s not a “fact”. It’s a false claim that you cannot support.” —————————- Unfortunately for you I can support it. Total Military Personnel Deaths as of February 5th 2013: Operation Iraqi Freedom: 4,409 Operation New Dawn: 66 Operation Enduring Freedom: 2,165 Total: 6640 since 2003 (beginning of OIF, average of 664/year) (source: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22452.pdf ) At the moment, 2011 stats are at about 18 veterans committing suicide DAILY, or… Read more »

Steve

Appeal the ruling. Don’t let the government deny your rights. IANAL and not in NY, but you probably have limited time to request an appeal or a hearing. Don’t give them without a court order.

Outrageous that the State is violating medical privacy.

Gregory Romeu

The REAL problem remains that over the past four or five decades, WE, THE PEOPLE have ignored our responsibilities and duties as citizens to actively MAINTAIN our government and the elected or appointed officials. We see a football stadium packed with 60,000 people, but we cant get 60 people to show-up at the city council or county commission meetings. THAT is how WE are responsible for what we are facing right now! We are getting our asses handed to us for our complacency. Hell, after questioning MOST citizens across the United States that are always the first to complain? 95%… Read more »

Mike L

The powers that be are well on their way to creating a ” papers please” police state. Last Sunday my wife and I decided to go for a bike ride. About an hour into our 15 mile trek my wife asked me to stop for a water break. We chose a nice little clearing under a massive oak along the road way to stop. While we were sitting under the tree drinking water and talking, a police cruiser stopped in the right lane of the road and put on his flashers. The officer got out and asked us what was… Read more »

HBH

Pistol owner ID Cards ? That FOID shit or whatever the hell that is !! Unfucking real ! God Bless Texas ! HBH

Joe Doakes

They (liberal pinko commies) will be coming for the cops next . . . stay sharp.

Affirmative Action

@BS

It isn’t a crime UNTIL the act is committed.

It’s like your homosexual lover suing you for giving him/her/it AIDS before you sodomize him/her/it.

Thoughts are NOT crimes; no matter what some whiney-assed libtard leads you to believe.

BS

This story is 5% fact and 95% bullshit…. Putting doubt on the supposedly confiscation, it has nothing to do with what meds you are on. The true part of the story; there is a law SAFE ACT and a NY lawyer is trying to file a class action lawsuit against the entire law. The false part of the story is it is confiscation is already happening. That is why no names are mentioned, sources say and John Doe. Psychiatrist are required to report to law enforcement and others if you are going to kill yourself, why not report when you… Read more »

Bill Baker

I’ve thought the same thing as Sosalty for a while. If you live in a state that requires a special permit or ID to buy or own a gun, you lost a long time ago and should have been politically active in overturning that for years. Ridiculous to require government permission before owning a gun. Only now that they are being revoked is anyone throwing a fit, well guess what folks, the water has begun to boil, and you are the frog.

Sosalty

“Pistol owner IDs” what? Doesn’t sound like a free state to me.

FedUp

Gun Control is a violation of the 2nd amendment and the Constitution.

In other words, if the government breaks the laws that govern THEM, then they have NO AUTHORITY to enact or enforce laws to govern US.

Besides, anyone who thinks they need PERMISSION to exercise a RIGHT is retarded.

Steve

So, can I ignore the law with impunity?!? After all if I’m too crazy to own a gun, then by the same standard I’m too crazy to be held accountable for violating the law by owning the gun in the first place.

Dervrak

Unfortunately, shortly after I received the letter all my guns and ammo fell off the boat in an “unfortunate” accident. Therefore I have nothing to turn in.

Rev. Bob Celeste

Those who are not willing to protect their property from thieves, do not deserve to own property.

DRoberts

John Doe. Did you bother to listen to the Attorney of Record give a radio interview on this ? the link is in the story. And do you really not understand why alot of details would not be released yet in an ongoing Court case ? Something that happens every day in this Country ? Believe what you want, but this IS happening!

John Doe

– “John Doe” (who?) – “no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action” (so they say) – “seeing a therapist for anxiety” (actual diagnosis please?) – “had been prescribed an anxiety drug” (again, actual diagnosis and what IS the drug and what are the potential side effects / drug-interaction effects list? What happens if this guy’s “anxiety” turns into rage when the drug mixes with a few beers?) – “The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a… Read more »

aenon

A major component of these SSRI/SNRI drugs, such as Prozac, Paxil, Lexapro, etc., is fluoride, the same toxic “drug” that is added to the water supply in 60 + percent (and nearly every major city) of the US . . . so, technically, the vast majority of us are on anti-depressant and/or anxiety medication, even though it is not prescribed by a doctor. But, PLEASE, don’t take my word for it. Try Google for yourself.

steve

HIPPA permits release of protected health information when:

“Required by Law. Covered entities may use and disclose protected health information without individual authorization as required by law (including by statute, regulation, or court orders).”

This is obviously a hole big enough to drive a truck through which renders HIPAA virtually useless for keeping PHI from prying government officials. If they want it all the have to do is pass a law, if they don’t already have one.

Source: HHS website – Summary of the HIPAA privacy rule.

steve

Cael Stigweard on April 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM said:

The fact that more vets have died due to PTSD suicide than have died on the fields of Afghanistan can attest to how bad PTSD can be.

That’s not a “fact”. It’s a false claim that you cannot support.

Steve001968

“MI Patriot on April 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM said: If they are getting this information from medical professionals, then the people who are getting their gun rights taken away need to sue the medical professional. HIPPA is to health care what atty-client privilege is to a criminal. I guess that confidentiality only pertains to the gov’t, not the health care field. ” There is little to no similarity between HIPAA and attorney client privilege. There are numerous exceptions to HIPAA and HIPPA specifically permits disclosure of protected health information as required by law. This alone creates a hole big… Read more »

Cael Stigweard

@WhiteRabbit you sound like someone who only surrounds them self with white people. I’m white and I live in a “black/immigrant” community. There are lots of Blacks, Hispanics and Browns who call out each other for their racism. IE- they’re “anti-racists” who have very little to do with whites. With almost no whites around to be seen.

Cael Stigweard

@drummerboy This has nothing to do with national health care. Canada has had national healthcare for decades and their gun laws are becoming more lax. The 2 cases I know of involving vets, BOTH vets were diagnosed with bad cases of PTSD. Again in BOTH cases they were REPORTED to have a significant threat to themselves or others. The fact that more vets have died due to PTSD suicide than have died on the fields of Afghanistan can attest to how bad PTSD can be. It’s not like someone is trolling the national health records (which were a national database… Read more »

HBH

NY’s finest wont want shit to do with this. They are hoping people will be sheep and actually turn in their weapons peacefully ? I know who has the mental disorders in NY. If you aint willing to fight to keep it,you damn sure dont need it,or your freedoms.You have right is on your side !!!! HBH

drummerboy

@Cael
You might look at the letters that have gone out to vets indicating they are incapable of handling their affairs due to some unclear and unsubstantial claim. We allowed the govt to nationalize healthcare. The resulting loss of liberty will happen in small sample sizes in the beginning. But like the circular rings of water around a singular disturbance, they grow exponentially.

drummerboy

Kind of shines the light of day on Obama Care, huh? When they pay the bills, they get access to the invoices.

Seanoamericano

When they show up I hope they walk into an a hail of gun fire. After it happens a few times then when these scumbags will realize they might not go home when their shift ends word will spread.

WhiteRabbit

“Anti-racists” ONLY seem to exist where there are White people, They DO NOT Target anyone except White people FOR “racism,” Nor do they Protect White people FROM racism. “Anti-racists” are only satisfied that there’s no “racism” when there’s no white people. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a code word for Anti-White.

Cael Stigweard

This most recent “example” is a SINGLE case where the individual was REPORTED to show signs or possibility to do harm to himself or others. There were 3-4 similar cases since the NY gun laws took effect, most of those are also being handled by the same lawyer. Once we get into mass confiscation, there will be reason to worry- it does no good to the cause to blow things out of proportion and make the situation appear it’s something it’s not. This isn’t a mass mailing. In a time of revolution, no one will care about these laws and… Read more »

HBH

I’m in Texas, but if I was in NY these mother fers just declared war. Send that goddamn ** to come get the mother fers !!! HBH

Nunya

I love upstate NY. I am in the military and wanted to retire here. NOT ANYMORE! I am going to pay my taxes somewhere I can have my AR-15!!! Taking my business elsewhere you commie bastards!

Tenring Rob

the drugs they are taking is called power. Given initially to elect someone new who would benefit the politicians region. Then greed takes over because the money is too great to turn away and everyone does it. Then the pols gain so much power they are exempt from their constituants wishes. They spread the money around and the people don’t care because the government takes care of them. Leave New York while you can but if your against the Constitution, stay there. The California rejects have overridden Colorado and the citizens of free states don’t want you to do the… Read more »

Wow and Wow

Wow….IF the government is coming for everyone’s guns (300 million and counting) then they need to start with the posters here. Bunch of flippen nut jobs here! Sounds like most of you don’t deserve a second amendment right.

Gunnsnammo69

Is there anyway to find out what kind of friggin drugs the dam politicians are taking!!!!

Bill Baker

My solution to not wanting to see lib trolls on the recent list every time I come here…. Add a report option ammoland…

john finkle

turn in your guns; just get em the bullets first. this should not be a difficult concept.

Amused at Gullible Right Wingers

There is no confiscation going on and no evidence of it.

But don’t let facts get in the way of paranoid fantasies. I’m sure plenty of you came in your pants because this confirmed your wet dreams.

Bill Baker

@anon: One is too many, and if you think its the last…

TPS12

Hey it’s ny and you only get the rights bloomy and company says you get. So get in line and do what bloom/hitler says.

anon

So ONE guy getting a letter from the state constitutes a sweeping gun grab? I’d be more concerned if this did not appear to be one single, isolated incident.

Mississippi

What happen to innocent until proven guilty.
Hillary is from New York. She along with Obama have blood of Dead Americans on their hands.
Where is the truth, justice and Constitution which is the LAWS Of The Republic Of The United States Of America.. We The People Will Have The Last Word…. If LEOs know they are breaking the laws then they to must pay….

Bill Baker

Not seeing a blood bath anywhere. People always talk bad about what will happen if they try this, then the govt starts it and no one does crap. People sit in the pot not noticing the water is nearly boiling, but since it’s been turned up slowly, we are ok with it, as the govt would never make it boil and kill us…

AJMD429

When our physician group was ‘introduced’ to HIPPA, we got the impression that the REAL purpose was to give government greater access to records without needing to show a good reason (based on the ‘fine print’ in the law), and that it did essentially nothing to the already-existing prohibitions on sharing information with ‘unauthorized individuals’ in the civilian sector. Based on our experience over the past decade or so, I think those impressions were true.

D.A. Moran

There is gonna be a blood bath if those police and whoever else try to enforce this …

Mr. Jonz

Edward – A safe deposit box? Really? If you think safe deposit boxes are safe from the government then you are naive, at least.

Michael F.

These people that we so call our government are really,really stupid as F*** taking away our right to have firearms is gonna stop crime that’s a bunch of B.S. do they really thinks that criminal’s will heed to this,I say hell no they will not.so why take away our rights.NEED TO GET THIS PERSON OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE HELL HE COULDN’T EVEN SHOW WHERE HE WAS BORN AT GET THAT NASTY ASS OUT OF OUR OFFICE AND LETS TAKE BACK AMERICA…………..

e

When they come for the gun and permit just tell them you must of lost it on one of your sleepwalking adventures that some people go on while on these drugs.

g. wetzel

My brother text me while on a business trip to new york city , a bill board he saw that read, if you know anyone with a illegal gun to call to call and report it for a reward. If this isn’t nazism I don’t know what is.

Eddie S.

You folks need to take action when you receive those letters. Walk to the nearest trash can, tear the letter into as many pieces as possible, throw into the trash can. There, you’ve taken action and all is well!