Army Giving Up Traditional Ammo & Stopping Power For ‘Green’ Bullets

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To quote liberals from the pranksters at “We don't give a shit if you shoot people, but please do it without harming Mother Earth.”
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Washington DC – -( The Army is switching from lead bullets in many small caliber arms to “environmentally friendly” rounds in 2014, even through the lead bullets are tried and true while the stopping power of the “green” bullets is already being questioned.

The Daily Caller reports that the Army switched to a “green” round for its 5.56 mm ammo in 2010–these are the bullets used in an MP4 or an AR-15.

This ammo is referred to as an “Enhanced Performance Round” even though Fox News carried a report showing that Army testing shows the stopping power of the round is worse than expected “at less than 150 yards.” Nevertheless, the Army is pressing on and making the 7.62 mm bullet “environmentally friendly” by 2014 as well.

The Army predicts “the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.”

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  • 100 thoughts on “Army Giving Up Traditional Ammo & Stopping Power For ‘Green’ Bullets

    1. The Army predicts “the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.”

      But at what cost in the lives of our military? Do they care?

    2. @V You’re correct, thats not what green means. It is however what ‘worse than expected’ means at less than 150 yards. If it was better, there would be no hesitation.

    3. Perfect: End Game strategic move by D.O.D. Via Obama admin. Set up the military to use Alternative Ammunition to set the Example. Have the C.D.C to condemn the use of Lead Ammunition for heath hazards. Forbid the sale of Lead Ammo to the public that has been used for decades. End game for the 2nd Amendment. Now we have the right bear empty arms.. I really hope to god my prediction is wrong.

    4. The obvious reason is to limit the effectiveness of the military for his assault on the country by his private army in the HSA. They will be equipped with the best lead core, penetrator, and ballistic tip and hollow point ammo as well as with better weapons. He’s afraid there may still be too many faithful in the real military, so why not handicap them as much as possible..

    5. Full metal jacket bullet have no stopping power anyway… By design! They are sopposed to drill nice neat holes through enemy soldiers in order to tie up medical staff and evac personel.

    6. The politically correct tree hugging liberal idiots would set this country up for a kick in the teeth on the battlefield, in the name of environmental friendliness. All our enemies must be laughing their asses off as they clean their weapons and get ready for the big day. “Enhanced Performance Round” is a big lie like everything else the Obama traitors have done.

    7. I’ll start to worry when they start mandating green wheel weights. Until then, I couldn’t care less if they ban lead bullets. I’ll just make my own.

    8. If the soldiers have ineffective ammo, maybe more of them will think twice about firing on U.S. civilians who will have the environmentally unfriendly, effective lead rounds.

    9. These so called green rounds have no penetrating power, so what do you expect from this admin, he does not want his friends the mooslams to get hurt while they will still be using the lead core ammo. Now if the mazlam in chief can get his buddies to use the same ammo then it might be a fair fight.

    10. They are going to shoot, what looks like NyQil cold tablets. Now they can shoot terrorists, not kill them at all, but the return fire will be live rounds, I can assure you of that. What a great way to get more of our service men and woman killed. My God, if the crappy ROEs weren’t bad enough….

    11. If I’m fighting for my life, the LAST thing I’m going to worry about (and the last thing my commanders should be concerned with) is the environmental impact of the lead I’m using to blow holes in the bad guys.

      Give any of those armchair generals (and the civilian idiots who pull their strings) a 9mm handgun with “green” ammo and let THEM “investigate” the stopping power. Better to lose someone who’s shown their worthlessness than to risk losing a trooper who is infinitely more valuable.

    12. It goes to show that the military makes decisions based on politics rather then soldier’s welfare. For instance when they shelved the model 1911 in favor of the 9 mm just because NATO did that. That was one of the worst decisions they ever made. I could go on but why!

    13. The military is restricted to use full metal jacket ammo anyway. This military ammo is not designed for stopping power it is designed for penetration and to make a smaller wound channel to be more humane in warfare. They do make a copper zinc alloy bullet that has simmilar expansion to lead bullets with greater penetration and less fragmentation with high accuracy. I am not sure exactly what green bullets the military was testing. But non lead bullets were initially designed for big game hunting.

    14. Two points:
      1: This administration doesn’t care about US service members lives.
      2: If I, being a prior Marine, were forced to use this ammo in combat managed to kill one of the enemy. I would be carrying an AK-47 from then on.

    15. For John Hanig,
      The use of lead in wheel weights is almost entirely in the past. Zinc is probably the most prevalent substitute. If you want to cast, you need to buy your stock.

      Low penetration just means that even marginal ballistic protection prevents injury. Very lightly skinned vehicles offer protection. A Very dangerous decision.

    16. Isn’t lead already found in ‘Mother Earth’? We are just doing the right and responsible thing by returning what was taken from her.

    17. So many ignorant people, who obviously CHOOSE to be ignorant, because Google and the FACTS of the situation are just seconds away from this site. Why don’t you people just do a little research and learn something on your own??

      Seriously? You think the image above is an actual image of the rounds? First of all, the image above is a 9mm round, NOT the 5.56/.223 round that the article speaks of. Secondly, the EPR are made completely of copper instead of lead. They actually DO have some characteristics that are superior to lead bullets, but there are issues with them due to the lower weight per volume. This is an experimental program, and is not a done-deal. Get a grip, calm down, and stop poo-pooing about how you are going to lose your second amendment, or how the military will be shooting nyquil rounds.

      Absolutely ignorant. Typical Obama-haters IMHO.

    18. Hi TEX. Please elaborate, if you can. Nothing I said was untrue. When the only thing you have to say is an insult, it’s pretty obvious you have nothing valid to argue about.

      FACT – This program started in 1994, and your beloved GOP guy GWB fully funded, and supported it. Get a life.

    19. Oh, and to the person who thinks that image above is of a real EPR round. Wow, just wow.. Firstly, that is an image of a 9mm round. The EPR is a 5.56/.223 round, and the bullet is made completely of copper. The EPR has some characteristics that are superior to the lead round, but it has it’s flaws too. They are experimenting with different materials, and in the end it may have a brass or steel core, which are very deadly, but also have their own pros/cons. Our military WILL NOT be shooting nyquil tabs at anyone. Sheesh….

    20. I love how you people just spew out your uninformed hate and lies instead of taking a moment to learn something. You people are a wasting oxygen that free-thinkers could be using. What a shame.

    21. Thanks pfloyd09, the wikipedia article was good. It explains the military is constantly fiddling with the recipe for 556 and 762 rounds to give ‘better’ performance. The definition of ‘better’ is what causes many to be frustrated…seeing it as an extension of politically correct war.

      I heard on the news someone say there is no military solution to Syria, it has to be a political solution. That’s simply not true. I don’t want our troops anywhere close to Syria, but the idea that a conflict can’t be settled with force of arms is not historically accurate.

      If they’re looking for the right bullet for another nation-building/peacekeeping mission, God help us all!

    22. Hi Frank. Agreed. I don’t want our troops in Syria either. Having been one of them during Desert Storm, I have a special place in my heart for my fellow servicemen, and don’t want to see a single one in harms way without a VERY good reason. If I recall correctly, we had a civil war that saw the lives of over 500,000 ended. I don’t remember hearing about Syria, or Afghanistan coming to our aid back then. *shrugs*

    23. @pfloyd09,there aint nothing to debate about w/you.I learned a long time ago not to waste my time arguing with an idiot.”Texas like a whole other country”!

    24. hell no it dont mean its good for the enviroment.War is about one thing,…killing the enemy ! Point blank ! “Texas like a whole other country” !TEX

    25. a green round has less stopping power, distance, but the enemy still uses lead you loose and it has more stopping power, and greater distance, and more penetration power

    26. “When our forefathers planned this government, they saw no necessity for foreign wars, for wars that didn’t concern us. As a matter of fact, after we got our independence our army and navy were eliminated. The Constitution states that the Congress has the power to provide for the common defense, and has the power to raise and support armies, but it also states that such forces can’t be funded for more than two years. It says nothing about foreign wars. We had a militia, that is each state had a militia, but this was the only armed force at the time and was not to be used beyond the territorial limits of the United States. If you look into history, you will find that during the War of 1812 a certain regiment of militia marched northward toward Canada, but they refused to cross the border and went home. The militia was for home defense only. That’s what our armed forces should be. Home defenders, ready and able to defend our homes, to defend us against attack, and that’s all.”
      ~Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most decorated US Marines EVER.

    27. I’ll wait until I see a more detailed report, “less than expected at 150 yds” is pretty vague and the current m4a1 round m855 green tip loses most of its lethality after 70 meters.. my hunting round is barnes triple shock all copper construction and its the best hunting round I’ve used, I didn’t pick it because I am mandated to in my state it just works better than most lead core rounds.

    28. Some of the comments show the people who made them are NCF’s. They have never been in combat. In the USMC, the 7.62 at 500 meters I can STOP and KILL my enemy. With iron sights I have put 10 out of 10 in the 10 ring. Time to put NaCN in each round to ensure stopping power. Screw the environment, when it comes to men’s lives. Have these peck,r heads come to the FEBA and use this Green round as the enemy charges. Sounds much like the 38 used in the Philippine Instruction in the early 1900 because they thought the 39 with smokless powder was better. That is when they brought back the standard .45 which HAS stopping power.

      Semper Fidelis

    29. That’s what I thought Tex. All insults, no substance. Can’t debate, so you deflect and berate. You’re not the first oxygen thief I’ve come across.. Texas sucks, btw.

    30. First the Fox News Article does not disparage the M855A1; it says” the current (i.e. older) M855 does not provide the “stopping power” users want at “engagements of less then 150 yards”
      Next recommend not getting all fired up about all bullets do is provide some kind of mythological “stopping power”. The M855A1 weighs the same as the leaded M855. And finally, fast, small bullets do things to fleshy targets that go beyond hitting them like a sledge-hammer to kill them. Think beyond the physics of momentum.

    31. This administration dos not give a hoot about military defense of our people.It’s a scam, just like all the other (its good for you lies).

    32. Jesus, how stupid is this? Lets go fight wars and shoot pieces of rubber at our enemies! Because we wouldn’t want to harm something we are SHOOTING at if it hurts the “environment”. We wouldn’t want to harm the environment in a WAR now would we? Whats next grenades are only cherry bombs and jet planes are going to be dropping water on opposing forces instead of bombs because there’s grass there?? *Shakes Head* – Scott Craighead

    33. What we need to do is Put An End to ALL of BO and his CO-conspirators Plans…Arrest Them,LOCK Them Up, and Restore OUR Republics Government !!! OF the People, For the People !!!
      One Republic Nation Under God !!!

    34. That is a fake picture. That my friends is a shell casing with a liquid NyQuil tablet stuck in the end. That is not the real Green bullet the army is testing

    35. Guys, PLEASE do some reading, FFS… Seriously, this program was started in 1994, and was FULLY FUNDED AND SUPPORTED by your GOP golden boy, GWB. Barack Obama had as much to do with this as Bush did with the JFK assassination. Seriously, stop the blind BO hate and do some research. Just sad…

    36. Looks like they stuck a vitamin in the casing. Looks like the damn thing would explode in the chamber. Like the Government, I wouldn’t trust it.

    37. I hope this is a joke, our enemies will be shooting the REAL ammo at us while we try and save the planet. What about saving the men and women who are protecting our freedom. I hope my son gets out before they implement the new ammo.

    38. Of course Lead is hazardous to your health. If you come to my house uninvited and break in, I will be glad to show you how hazardous lead is. I have been saying this for at least the past year, our government had been purchasing up millions and millions of rounds, leaving the public scrambling to get them at outrageous prices. Now they have come up with green bullets that have minimal stopping power leaving us and the military at risk. The point being Obama has been out to kill the second amendment since he first got in. We can keep our guns just no ammo.

    39. Ok, for those of you confused and think this is a joke. The green picture is, the article is not. The army is phasing out lead. They are going to a steel and copper shot, which somehow makes it ‘green’. Since lead is naturally occurring and is cheap since it is mostly mined as a biproduct of silver mining the only thing this will do is make the greenies feel better.

    40. pfloyd09 – Why is that when someone disagrees with something coming the current Admin, you types (yes, I said it) always go to the tried and true statement “The guy you loved” ? How do you know? Regardless of party, every President has screwed up something pertaining to our great nation. Take your partisan crap somewhere else. If we’d like to poo poo, as you say, why do you care? The fact is, it does look like Nyquil in there. LoL If you knew anything other than how to use Google, you’d know that yes, this has been going for years and the ones actually doing the fighting, ya know, for you – don’t like the idea at all. The soldiers using said weapons should have an opinion since we are the ones getting shot at and all.

    41. pfloyd09 its your arrogant a**holish way that makes people mad at you. all you liberals have that trait it makes me wonder if your not all from the same family.

    42. “Woods and other officials were reticent to talk specifically about the effects of the new bullet, or any bullet, on a “soft target” — a euphemism for enemy personnel. But what they made clear was the M855A1 is at least equal to the M855 on a soft target — but that it did damage with more consistency.

      The M855 is a good round, Woods said, but it is “yaw dependant.” Like all bullets, it wobbles when it travels along its trajectory. Its effectiveness depends on its yaw angle when it hits a target. Not so with the M855A1. The new Enhanced Performance Round, or EPR, is not yaw-dependant — it delivers the same effectiveness in a soft target no matter its yaw angle.

      “On M855’s best day, with that great performance that you will see, you’re going to see that type of performance out of the EPR — but you will see it every time,” Woods said.”

    43. Holli. I was in Desert Storm, protecting, you know, YOUR freedom. My dad was in Vietnam. My grandfather was a fighter pilot in WWII, and a test pilot with Chuck Yeager in the 60s. My wife’s family name is Patton, of the General Patton family. Both her Patton parents served in Vietnam, and their son, my bro-in-law just finished serving two tours in Afghanistan. DO NOT pretend I am some bleeding heart liberal who knows nothing of the military, or serving our country. How many years were you in the Active Duty service, Holli?

    44. Green means the constrution material of the bullet itself. they are made so they do not come apart like the lead. they are intended to be far more deadly on impact than traditional.

    45. Do you people seriously believe the image at the top is one of the green rounds? Are you able to read? Review my previous comments for some education. That is a 9mm round with a nyquil liqui-tab stuck in it. THAT PICTURE DOES NOT SHOW AN EPR BULLET. Simply friggin amazing…

    46. Holli, I care about the poo-poo’ing, as I put it, because it’s 99% of the time just lies being spread by ignorant people without a bone in their body that cares more about truth than good gossip. Obama has had LESS to do with this program than the GOP president that spent 8 years in the WH while this program was fully funded and supported. I didn’t bring the partisan crap in here, I waded into it and tried to bring some enlightenment via FACTS, but as previously stated, FACTS are like kryptonite to far too many people, who are in my experience, more often than not one of them neo-cons that lap up Faux News like a drunk with a beer in his hand.

    47. @Pfloyd –
      Exactly what or who was threatening our freedom during Desert Storm?
      The entire time you were in service, the threat was coming from Washington D.C., not overseas. It still is, and you still can’t see it. Sad.
      Fact: There is *nothing* that someone on another continent can do to threaten our freedom.

    48. hold on Military has not been using Lead bullets for a long time now so wtf are they worried about the rounds used are FMJ so why do they need another type…they don’t by lead btw…so there will be no decrease in lead bought

    49. CarrieB. Really? That’s all you have to comment on? Try reading Holli’s post before mine, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll see why I used the words I did. Sarcasm FTW.

    50. I was amazed to see to name calling in a simple post about a bullet. Wow, is this what we’ve been reduced to?

    51. Written by a deployed Marine who has a good deal of experience with the EPR. SPOILER ALERT! MAY CONTAIN FACTS!!

      “The issue is that stateside ranges fall subject to the EPA. Remember, Jacksonville/Camp Lejeune has a fuckton of ranges, and all that lead is a nightmare for the local water suppoly, which serves the 20,000+ Marines and sailors aboard Lejeune, plus (indirectly) Camp Geiger, New River Air Station, and all of Onslow county. About 50,000 people, maybe more since I’m using old estimates. Multiply that by every base and it’s surrounding areas, and you begin to see the issue.

      It’s not just green. the redesign makes it more stable at long ranges, fixing one of the major complaints I had. It’s supposed to be more effective against unarmored targets as well, which was my other complaint. I’d settle for mk318, but I don’t have a choice.

      “Green” also means less chance of lead poisoning from ears of handling boolits, a big issue for us who fire thousands of rounds per year just in training. To answer your question, “green” doesn’t hurt performance, it actually makes it better, and it’s better for every one involved.”

    52. You’re right ABennett. I didn’t start it, but unlike most people on the left side of the aisle, I’m not going to sit idly by while people who are seemingly allergic to facts and education bash logic, good sense, and spread outright lies. Yes, I’m a moderate to liberal guy, but I served my country during wartime, as did my father and grandfather, and we ALL do our country a disservice when we spread these lies, and make outrageous conspiracy theory claims against our leaders. What ever happened to ‘United we stand, divided we fall”? Oh, sorry, that’s just the motto for my homeland, Kentucky, not the whole of the United States. What a shame.

    53. “The Daily Caller reports that the Army switched to a “green” round for its 5.56 mm ammo in 2010–these are the bullets used in an MP4 or an AR-15.”

      An MP-4? Am I just out of date here, or does that weapon not even exist? And FYI ammoland, the Army uses M-16s and M4s, not AR-15s.

    54. That article is dead wrong. Assuming the data from the Army’s Picatinny Arsenal is accurate, and I have no reason to suspect that they falsified it, the new 5.56 M855A1 “Enhanced Performance Round” is stunningly more capable than the traditional military 5.56 M855 “Green Tip- Penetrator” round, which has dismal terminal ballistics. The new round has characteristics that make it competitive against 7.62 — that is newsworthy. The fact that it is leadless is just gravy. Lead is cheaper, that is its advantage — not terminal ballistics (stopping power). Short of changing calibers, the M855A1 is maybe the best International Law compliant round on earth. Think I’m full of crap? Name a better one.

    55. What’s next…handicapped-accessible helicopters? How about casting infantraymen’s right feet in buckets of cement? When we lose the next war it won’t be “Bush’s fault”, but it will be too late to do anything about it. Good luck in recruiting people for the new, modern, LBGT Army…

    56. @ Brad Gill:
      It’s a trade-off, like most things in life…
      The wind has less time to act on a bullet travelling at a higher speed.
      @ almost everyone else:
      Reading comprehension seems sub-par.
      The moronic comments about a lack of penetration are in direct opposition to what the article says about the ammo in question. It penetrates *better* because copper is harder than lead, and the penetrator is improved in this design.
      Copper bullets are a fascinating field of inquiry from a ballistic perspective…
      You gain range capability, and penetration at the same time.
      This mythical “stopping power” is a cheap trade for more stand-off capability.

    57. Relax all. This has been long planned- for TRAINING ammunition. Service ammunition remains the same. More ammunition is expended in training each year than you can imagine, this is a cheap substitute requiring less clean up for training ranges. pfloyd09, stand down. You are blithering. The EPR was obtained not because it’s “green”, but for better stopping power- it’s cost prohibitive for training. The “green” stuff is similar to SLAP ammo. Your resume seems impeccable, you were in Desert Storm (I was on that weekend hunting trip, too). Sad you missed Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq- you may have a different opinion. FYI, LeJeune’s water problem wasn’t lead, it was dry cleaning solvents.

    58. At least at a 150 yd. range these bullets would be less likely to shoot through a victim and continue on to penetrate house walls and kill a child blocks away.

    59. Killing people is wrong, it doesn’t matter who’s being killed and it doesn’t matter who is doing the killing… a life is a life and wrong is wrong. Trying to be environmentally conscious while in the act of killing people is moral bankruptcy. There needs to be an awakening, we need to question everything that we indoctrinate our children with. Sometimes things that pretend to be good and righteous are just mental poison conditioning dressed up as entertainment or patriotism.

    60. If they were so concerned about the environment how about consuming less oil and petroleum based products? After all they account for over 51% of all these materials consumed in the United States, just saying….

    61. So what are they gonna do with the Gazillion rounds they bought up to keep it from us ??? Oh yea they put a bunch of ammo and guns in a warehouse over in the desert with NO Guards and were surprised when it was taken by ????? It was taken by those they left it for !!! Taliban or who ??

    62. First, Bill, The military did not by the almost two billion rounds of ammunition. That was Homeland Security, and it is for the war against the American citizens.
      Now, the Green ammo that obama wants our military to us has less knockdown power than what they have been using. obama wants us to get our asses kicked so his brother muslims can make us a nation of Islam. Don’t think that’s not what he wants.

    63. I seem to recall reading something about the cancellation of the most recent carbine replacement program citing increased barrel/part wear with the M855A1.

      If the goal is to reduce (or eliminate) aerosolized lead, pretty much all you have to do is use lead-free primers and bullet jackets with the open end towards the front. The latter is actually common with non-expanding match-grade projectiles because it puts the most inconsistent part of the jacket closer to the intended rotational centerline so as to minimize its negative effect on accuracy.

    64. The M855A1 EPR “green” round seen here:
      is far better than the older M855 ball rounds. It is nicknamed green only because it contains no lead, the environmental factor being more of a side benefit than key feature (of course marketed as such for political purposes). The article is highly misleading both with the picture making it look like a cheap plastic POS, and with the phrase “performance worse than expected at 150 yards”. Less than expected is still better than what we had before.

    65. Ummmm…

      The military doesn’t use generally use AR15s, do they? I’m sure there may be a couple, but its use isn’t a normal thing, right?

      Also, AR15s are normally chambered for .223. There is a difference between the two.

    66. Just because you read something on line, does not make it true. Please remember that. It is amazing of how many “Facts” there are on the internet, that turn out to be fake.

    67. The picture above is not the actual bullet. See the link to the Fox Website for that. However, the new bullet trades mass (stopping power) for a faster flight speed and increased accuracy which I will have to let someone more knowledgeable tell me which is more important. The fact that it is lead-free is appealing to bleeding-heart liberals like me but hardly a game changer. Soldiers and terrorists don’t die of lead poisoning. I would be curious to know the long term production cost savings if any can be projected.

    68. “The Army predicts “the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.”

      Something tells me the purchase of those types of rounds will stop 2 years earlier than estimated.

    69. I think it’s about time some of you take your heads out of your rears and put your tinfoil hats back on. How about you start using some math, physics, common sense and listen to someone with first hand knowledge of the M855A1 round instead of Fox news.

      The only way to gauge “stopping power” for non-expanding bullets like the M855 and M855A1 is to calculate their energy (F=ma, Isaac Newton, look him up). Both are 62 grain projectiles loaded to the same velocities. Therefore ballistics, energy, and “stopping power” are identical.

      The other factor in a bullet’s performance is penetration. And in this department the M855A1 surpasses the M855. Why? It has a copper core with a steel tip. While not an AP round, the M855A1 does much better than the M855 against vehicles, walls and body armor.

      So, energy is the same and penetration is better. If you’re a soldier or marine which would you want?

      Just because something is labeled “green” and happened on a Democrat’s watch doesn’t make it a commie conspiracy. But what does this Army engineer know? Go back and listen to Fox news. They do a much better job of reinforcing your nutty world view than me and my facts.

    70. I see a lot of misinformation going on here – as a Marine I will tell you that standard steel-tipped M855 is junk. It’s always been junk. From Marines downrange, the new copper core M855A2 performs better than the original bullet on almost every level. Not only is M855A1 “green”, but it’s an improvement in ballistic performance. Please stop bagging on something that you have no idea about, and assuming it’s worse simply because it’s labeled as “green”.

    71. pfloyd, you’re an idiot. First you ignorantly buy into the poisoning the water supply bs. The only way the local water supply would be poisoned would be if they were drawing from a well 10 ft deep. Your little link wasn’t written by a Marine. The ammunition in question is copper jacketed so the likelihood of anyone being exposed to lead from handling ammo about as likely as your jug eared sac licking president not lying. As for your snide comment regarding people who don’t have a good opinion of your jug eared princess. Have yourself a hot cup of STFU You ignorant libtard. Bubba Clinton was president in 1994 retard and copper is environmentally unfriendly just like lead. You didn’t have the balls to serve so you have no business commenting.

      Dummy warmed over, you’re as stupid as pfloyd.

    72. That picture is NOT the real bullet! You conservative fools believe everything you hear when you should do some research first! The army did many tests, and each showed that the copper bullet was more effective! That picture is not a copper bullet, it is just homemade garbage!

    73. “Progressives” always use the military to “test” their ideas and agendas. Whether it’s social issues or environmental issues, the military is under “orders” to comply. Where do think, to cite a less controversial example, “smoking bans” originated?

    74. Yet the United States doesn’t want to talk about depleted uranium rounds. What a mess in Bosnia , Iraq , Afganistan , Iraq’s cleanup will be over $30 million alone. Kids will be picking up the havy black cores of these rounds . Different governments say different answer safe , not safe. I handled DU counter weights and sealed the open areas with tape then painted the tape to seal the failed plating. All coveralls gloves and masks went with the weight for disposal.
      So someone lied. and still is.

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