Army Giving Up Traditional Ammo & Stopping Power For ‘Green’ Bullets

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To quote liberals from the pranksters at “We don't give a shit if you shoot people, but please do it without harming Mother Earth.”
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Washington DC – -( The Army is switching from lead bullets in many small caliber arms to “environmentally friendly” rounds in 2014, even through the lead bullets are tried and true while the stopping power of the “green” bullets is already being questioned.

The Daily Caller reports that the Army switched to a “green” round for its 5.56 mm ammo in 2010–these are the bullets used in an MP4 or an AR-15.

This ammo is referred to as an “Enhanced Performance Round” even though Fox News carried a report showing that Army testing shows the stopping power of the round is worse than expected “at less than 150 yards.” Nevertheless, the Army is pressing on and making the 7.62 mm bullet “environmentally friendly” by 2014 as well.

The Army predicts “the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.”

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  • 100 thoughts on “Army Giving Up Traditional Ammo & Stopping Power For ‘Green’ Bullets

    1. Yet the United States doesn’t want to talk about depleted uranium rounds. What a mess in Bosnia , Iraq , Afganistan , Iraq’s cleanup will be over $30 million alone. Kids will be picking up the havy black cores of these rounds . Different governments say different answer safe , not safe. I handled DU counter weights and sealed the open areas with tape then painted the tape to seal the failed plating. All coveralls gloves and masks went with the weight for disposal.
      So someone lied. and still is.

    2. “Progressives” always use the military to “test” their ideas and agendas. Whether it’s social issues or environmental issues, the military is under “orders” to comply. Where do think, to cite a less controversial example, “smoking bans” originated?

    3. That picture is NOT the real bullet! You conservative fools believe everything you hear when you should do some research first! The army did many tests, and each showed that the copper bullet was more effective! That picture is not a copper bullet, it is just homemade garbage!

    4. pfloyd, you’re an idiot. First you ignorantly buy into the poisoning the water supply bs. The only way the local water supply would be poisoned would be if they were drawing from a well 10 ft deep. Your little link wasn’t written by a Marine. The ammunition in question is copper jacketed so the likelihood of anyone being exposed to lead from handling ammo about as likely as your jug eared sac licking president not lying. As for your snide comment regarding people who don’t have a good opinion of your jug eared princess. Have yourself a hot cup of STFU You ignorant libtard. Bubba Clinton was president in 1994 retard and copper is environmentally unfriendly just like lead. You didn’t have the balls to serve so you have no business commenting.

      Dummy warmed over, you’re as stupid as pfloyd.

    5. I see a lot of misinformation going on here – as a Marine I will tell you that standard steel-tipped M855 is junk. It’s always been junk. From Marines downrange, the new copper core M855A2 performs better than the original bullet on almost every level. Not only is M855A1 “green”, but it’s an improvement in ballistic performance. Please stop bagging on something that you have no idea about, and assuming it’s worse simply because it’s labeled as “green”.

    6. I think it’s about time some of you take your heads out of your rears and put your tinfoil hats back on. How about you start using some math, physics, common sense and listen to someone with first hand knowledge of the M855A1 round instead of Fox news.

      The only way to gauge “stopping power” for non-expanding bullets like the M855 and M855A1 is to calculate their energy (F=ma, Isaac Newton, look him up). Both are 62 grain projectiles loaded to the same velocities. Therefore ballistics, energy, and “stopping power” are identical.

      The other factor in a bullet’s performance is penetration. And in this department the M855A1 surpasses the M855. Why? It has a copper core with a steel tip. While not an AP round, the M855A1 does much better than the M855 against vehicles, walls and body armor.

      So, energy is the same and penetration is better. If you’re a soldier or marine which would you want?

      Just because something is labeled “green” and happened on a Democrat’s watch doesn’t make it a commie conspiracy. But what does this Army engineer know? Go back and listen to Fox news. They do a much better job of reinforcing your nutty world view than me and my facts.

    7. “The Army predicts “the use of green 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition could eliminate the purchase of 3,683 metric tons of lead between 2013 and 2018.”

      Something tells me the purchase of those types of rounds will stop 2 years earlier than estimated.

    8. The picture above is not the actual bullet. See the link to the Fox Website for that. However, the new bullet trades mass (stopping power) for a faster flight speed and increased accuracy which I will have to let someone more knowledgeable tell me which is more important. The fact that it is lead-free is appealing to bleeding-heart liberals like me but hardly a game changer. Soldiers and terrorists don’t die of lead poisoning. I would be curious to know the long term production cost savings if any can be projected.

    9. Just because you read something on line, does not make it true. Please remember that. It is amazing of how many “Facts” there are on the internet, that turn out to be fake.

    10. Ummmm…

      The military doesn’t use generally use AR15s, do they? I’m sure there may be a couple, but its use isn’t a normal thing, right?

      Also, AR15s are normally chambered for .223. There is a difference between the two.

    11. The M855A1 EPR “green” round seen here:
      is far better than the older M855 ball rounds. It is nicknamed green only because it contains no lead, the environmental factor being more of a side benefit than key feature (of course marketed as such for political purposes). The article is highly misleading both with the picture making it look like a cheap plastic POS, and with the phrase “performance worse than expected at 150 yards”. Less than expected is still better than what we had before.

    12. I seem to recall reading something about the cancellation of the most recent carbine replacement program citing increased barrel/part wear with the M855A1.

      If the goal is to reduce (or eliminate) aerosolized lead, pretty much all you have to do is use lead-free primers and bullet jackets with the open end towards the front. The latter is actually common with non-expanding match-grade projectiles because it puts the most inconsistent part of the jacket closer to the intended rotational centerline so as to minimize its negative effect on accuracy.

    13. First, Bill, The military did not by the almost two billion rounds of ammunition. That was Homeland Security, and it is for the war against the American citizens.
      Now, the Green ammo that obama wants our military to us has less knockdown power than what they have been using. obama wants us to get our asses kicked so his brother muslims can make us a nation of Islam. Don’t think that’s not what he wants.

    14. So what are they gonna do with the Gazillion rounds they bought up to keep it from us ??? Oh yea they put a bunch of ammo and guns in a warehouse over in the desert with NO Guards and were surprised when it was taken by ????? It was taken by those they left it for !!! Taliban or who ??

    15. If they were so concerned about the environment how about consuming less oil and petroleum based products? After all they account for over 51% of all these materials consumed in the United States, just saying….

    16. Killing people is wrong, it doesn’t matter who’s being killed and it doesn’t matter who is doing the killing… a life is a life and wrong is wrong. Trying to be environmentally conscious while in the act of killing people is moral bankruptcy. There needs to be an awakening, we need to question everything that we indoctrinate our children with. Sometimes things that pretend to be good and righteous are just mental poison conditioning dressed up as entertainment or patriotism.

    17. At least at a 150 yd. range these bullets would be less likely to shoot through a victim and continue on to penetrate house walls and kill a child blocks away.

    18. Relax all. This has been long planned- for TRAINING ammunition. Service ammunition remains the same. More ammunition is expended in training each year than you can imagine, this is a cheap substitute requiring less clean up for training ranges. pfloyd09, stand down. You are blithering. The EPR was obtained not because it’s “green”, but for better stopping power- it’s cost prohibitive for training. The “green” stuff is similar to SLAP ammo. Your resume seems impeccable, you were in Desert Storm (I was on that weekend hunting trip, too). Sad you missed Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq- you may have a different opinion. FYI, LeJeune’s water problem wasn’t lead, it was dry cleaning solvents.

    19. @ Brad Gill:
      It’s a trade-off, like most things in life…
      The wind has less time to act on a bullet travelling at a higher speed.
      @ almost everyone else:
      Reading comprehension seems sub-par.
      The moronic comments about a lack of penetration are in direct opposition to what the article says about the ammo in question. It penetrates *better* because copper is harder than lead, and the penetrator is improved in this design.
      Copper bullets are a fascinating field of inquiry from a ballistic perspective…
      You gain range capability, and penetration at the same time.
      This mythical “stopping power” is a cheap trade for more stand-off capability.

    20. What’s next…handicapped-accessible helicopters? How about casting infantraymen’s right feet in buckets of cement? When we lose the next war it won’t be “Bush’s fault”, but it will be too late to do anything about it. Good luck in recruiting people for the new, modern, LBGT Army…

    21. That article is dead wrong. Assuming the data from the Army’s Picatinny Arsenal is accurate, and I have no reason to suspect that they falsified it, the new 5.56 M855A1 “Enhanced Performance Round” is stunningly more capable than the traditional military 5.56 M855 “Green Tip- Penetrator” round, which has dismal terminal ballistics. The new round has characteristics that make it competitive against 7.62 — that is newsworthy. The fact that it is leadless is just gravy. Lead is cheaper, that is its advantage — not terminal ballistics (stopping power). Short of changing calibers, the M855A1 is maybe the best International Law compliant round on earth. Think I’m full of crap? Name a better one.

    22. “The Daily Caller reports that the Army switched to a “green” round for its 5.56 mm ammo in 2010–these are the bullets used in an MP4 or an AR-15.”

      An MP-4? Am I just out of date here, or does that weapon not even exist? And FYI ammoland, the Army uses M-16s and M4s, not AR-15s.

    23. You’re right ABennett. I didn’t start it, but unlike most people on the left side of the aisle, I’m not going to sit idly by while people who are seemingly allergic to facts and education bash logic, good sense, and spread outright lies. Yes, I’m a moderate to liberal guy, but I served my country during wartime, as did my father and grandfather, and we ALL do our country a disservice when we spread these lies, and make outrageous conspiracy theory claims against our leaders. What ever happened to ‘United we stand, divided we fall”? Oh, sorry, that’s just the motto for my homeland, Kentucky, not the whole of the United States. What a shame.

    24. Written by a deployed Marine who has a good deal of experience with the EPR. SPOILER ALERT! MAY CONTAIN FACTS!!

      “The issue is that stateside ranges fall subject to the EPA. Remember, Jacksonville/Camp Lejeune has a fuckton of ranges, and all that lead is a nightmare for the local water suppoly, which serves the 20,000+ Marines and sailors aboard Lejeune, plus (indirectly) Camp Geiger, New River Air Station, and all of Onslow county. About 50,000 people, maybe more since I’m using old estimates. Multiply that by every base and it’s surrounding areas, and you begin to see the issue.

      It’s not just green. the redesign makes it more stable at long ranges, fixing one of the major complaints I had. It’s supposed to be more effective against unarmored targets as well, which was my other complaint. I’d settle for mk318, but I don’t have a choice.

      “Green” also means less chance of lead poisoning from ears of handling boolits, a big issue for us who fire thousands of rounds per year just in training. To answer your question, “green” doesn’t hurt performance, it actually makes it better, and it’s better for every one involved.”

    25. I was amazed to see to name calling in a simple post about a bullet. Wow, is this what we’ve been reduced to?

    26. CarrieB. Really? That’s all you have to comment on? Try reading Holli’s post before mine, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll see why I used the words I did. Sarcasm FTW.

    27. hold on Military has not been using Lead bullets for a long time now so wtf are they worried about the rounds used are FMJ so why do they need another type…they don’t by lead btw…so there will be no decrease in lead bought

    28. @Pfloyd –
      Exactly what or who was threatening our freedom during Desert Storm?
      The entire time you were in service, the threat was coming from Washington D.C., not overseas. It still is, and you still can’t see it. Sad.
      Fact: There is *nothing* that someone on another continent can do to threaten our freedom.

    29. Holli, I care about the poo-poo’ing, as I put it, because it’s 99% of the time just lies being spread by ignorant people without a bone in their body that cares more about truth than good gossip. Obama has had LESS to do with this program than the GOP president that spent 8 years in the WH while this program was fully funded and supported. I didn’t bring the partisan crap in here, I waded into it and tried to bring some enlightenment via FACTS, but as previously stated, FACTS are like kryptonite to far too many people, who are in my experience, more often than not one of them neo-cons that lap up Faux News like a drunk with a beer in his hand.

    30. Do you people seriously believe the image at the top is one of the green rounds? Are you able to read? Review my previous comments for some education. That is a 9mm round with a nyquil liqui-tab stuck in it. THAT PICTURE DOES NOT SHOW AN EPR BULLET. Simply friggin amazing…

    31. Green means the constrution material of the bullet itself. they are made so they do not come apart like the lead. they are intended to be far more deadly on impact than traditional.

    32. Holli. I was in Desert Storm, protecting, you know, YOUR freedom. My dad was in Vietnam. My grandfather was a fighter pilot in WWII, and a test pilot with Chuck Yeager in the 60s. My wife’s family name is Patton, of the General Patton family. Both her Patton parents served in Vietnam, and their son, my bro-in-law just finished serving two tours in Afghanistan. DO NOT pretend I am some bleeding heart liberal who knows nothing of the military, or serving our country. How many years were you in the Active Duty service, Holli?

    33. “Woods and other officials were reticent to talk specifically about the effects of the new bullet, or any bullet, on a “soft target” — a euphemism for enemy personnel. But what they made clear was the M855A1 is at least equal to the M855 on a soft target — but that it did damage with more consistency.

      The M855 is a good round, Woods said, but it is “yaw dependant.” Like all bullets, it wobbles when it travels along its trajectory. Its effectiveness depends on its yaw angle when it hits a target. Not so with the M855A1. The new Enhanced Performance Round, or EPR, is not yaw-dependant — it delivers the same effectiveness in a soft target no matter its yaw angle.

      “On M855’s best day, with that great performance that you will see, you’re going to see that type of performance out of the EPR — but you will see it every time,” Woods said.”

    34. pfloyd09 its your arrogant a**holish way that makes people mad at you. all you liberals have that trait it makes me wonder if your not all from the same family.

    35. pfloyd09 – Why is that when someone disagrees with something coming the current Admin, you types (yes, I said it) always go to the tried and true statement “The guy you loved” ? How do you know? Regardless of party, every President has screwed up something pertaining to our great nation. Take your partisan crap somewhere else. If we’d like to poo poo, as you say, why do you care? The fact is, it does look like Nyquil in there. LoL If you knew anything other than how to use Google, you’d know that yes, this has been going for years and the ones actually doing the fighting, ya know, for you – don’t like the idea at all. The soldiers using said weapons should have an opinion since we are the ones getting shot at and all.

    36. Ok, for those of you confused and think this is a joke. The green picture is, the article is not. The army is phasing out lead. They are going to a steel and copper shot, which somehow makes it ‘green’. Since lead is naturally occurring and is cheap since it is mostly mined as a biproduct of silver mining the only thing this will do is make the greenies feel better.

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