Homicides per 100,000 in G-8 Countries

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By Dean Weingarten

 

Dean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten

Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- You can see from the above that Russia has about twice as many homicides per hundred thousand as the United States, even though Russia has very restrictive laws on possession and carrying of firearms.

The above chart was created from UNODC data.

If you look at the chart below created by ABC, the United States seems to be an outlier.

No data is given for Russia, and the Y axis mentions that it is only for gun related homicides.

The large header leaves out the word “Gun”.  These are serious clues that the chart is designed to mislead.

Only looking at gun related homicides is a clear case of data selection bias.   It does not matter to a homicide victim if they are killed with a gun, a machete, poison, or a violent mob.

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They are still dead.   Firearms, of course, may be used for defense as well as attack, so restrictions could increase as well as decrease homicides.   Attempting to restrict one method may simply result in a substitution of methods.   You need to look at the totals to see if there is a net increase or decrease in homicides.

There are enormous problems with international comparisons.  Differences in culture, data collection, and definitions make comparisons very difficult, perhaps to the point of meaninglessness.   Culture is far more important than method or economic condition.  Why chose the G8 countries, instead of say, New World countries, or geographically large, ethnically diverse, countries?  You could as easily make the case that Brazil, Mexico, the United States, and Canada should be grouped together, as that of G8 countries.

Here is a chart showing homicide rates for all the countries of the world that we have data for.

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Here is a chart comparing Brazil, Mexico, the United States, and Canada.

 

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It is noteworthy that Brazil and Mexico have extreme restrictions on the private ownership of firearms, Canada is less restrictive, and the United States is less restrictive than Canada.

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About Dean Weingarten;

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

4 thoughts on “Homicides per 100,000 in G-8 Countries

  1. One should also note that the number of homicides in the US will normally include suicides, which account for about half of the total number. Also includes self defense and homicides by LEO in the line of duty. Never believe the stats until you do your own research.

  2. I don’t think our large land mass, or population size, are significant factors here, at least not when considering the rate per 100K of population. Using that rate is designed to compare countries of different sizes and populations more accurately. I agree with Dean though, that the national culture (and sub-cultures) play a major part that is hard to document. It would be more interesting to see the rate of homicides per 100K population, if we rated rural areas and large cities, for example. I’m willing to bet that we would see that the US has a MUCH higher rate of violence in general, and homicide in particular, in its cities than in its rural areas. Further, and probably even more useful, would be data comparing the rate across sub-cultures (or perhaps religions). For example, I’d also be willing to bet that the homicide rate is VASTLY higher among American Blacks and Hispanics, and especially so if we only look at the inner-city “gang-style” sub-cultures, than among any other sub-cultures (with the probable exception of the Islamic sub-culture). If we had a study demonstrating THAT (which could probably never be published since it would not be PC), we would have something USEFUL. We would have a study that actually looked more at the causes of the differences in homicide rates (ie, cultural values), and this could then be looked at internationally as well; again, by identifying different types of cultures and their specific cultural values, not just nationality or race, and comparing homicide or violence rates among those groups. If it turns out that the homicide rates are significantly different among certain cultural groups (as I’m pretty sure it will), then we could discuss ways to try and change the cultural values involved. I’m not saying that we could, or should, try to change those values, mind you, merely that we could then, at least, look at the real culprit for the differences in homicide (or probably violent crime in general). For another example, one reason the homicide rate is lower in European countries is that they generally forbid self-defense. A significant portion of the homicides in the USA are self-defensive killings, which are still technically “homicides.” This is a very rare occurrence in Europe because it is illegal. I think OUR values, holding that we all have a right to defend ourselves, are better (and I can prove our philosophical position is better logically), than the European beliefs, and I wouldn’t be willing to change my values in this regard. Indeed, I’d FIGHT any attempt to make such changes tooth and nail. I believe, and again, I can make a logical, philosophical argument to support my belief, that the virtue and benefit of allowing self-defense far outweigh the costs. But, as I said earlier, at least this way we’d be arguing about the real heart of the issue, rather than laying a false trail of statistically meaningless data to ensnare the unwary.

  3. The US is heavily noted on homicides mainly because of our large population (land mass) compared to other G8 countries…Also demographics plays some role in these higher numbers…blacks and hispanics add to these munbers significantly…My take…If you want to protect you and your family from harm while enjoying your civil liberties (Bill of Rights) you’d best support the ownership of guns without infringements which is what the Obama administration has been working day and night to implement…Infringements of our 2nd amendment knows no bounds with these CommieCRats…Here in Colorado we have the Universal Criminal Background Check System in place whereas I can’t even turn possession of my firearm over to my wife or my kids without having them go through an FFL dealer and the paper work required for the transfer or sale…Natuarally this service is not free and Gov. Hickenlooper charges a $10. fee (tax) for every transfer made…The original NICS sytem was good enough for the the FBI and BTAF but not for the Colorado CommieCRats nor our Governor who signed this stupid bill into law without even reading it…Claiming a staffer told him he should sign it…We now have staffers passing Colorado laws…What lunacy…The new law didn’t stop an Arapahoe HS student from buying a shotgun, taking it to school, shooting up the place and killing one female student…The morale of this story is that a Universal (Communist) Crimianal Back Ground Check System is not designed to prevent or eliminate gun violence or from stopping some evil person from obtaining a firearm…This CommieCRat minded background check system’s primary focus is to harass and intimidate responsible gun owners by applying infringements to our second amendment rights…It goes much further than this…I’m surprised by the number of Democrats who love their guns and who use them for hunting, sporting ,and or collecting that they continue to vote for the party that wants to take away their (our) 2nd amendment rights…Currently the CommieCRats (Democrats) are working feverishly to trash our 1st amendment rights as well…That being freedom of worship, freedom of speech and the press, and the right to peacefully assemble…If you are you a Democratic and you own a gun are you beginning to get the picture?…You are voting against your own American Bill of Rights, to include your civil liberties, that being namely the second amendment!…The Democrats have since trashed the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th amendments of the Bill of Rights…Soon there will be only 3 left of the original 10 that have not been compromised by the CommieCRats…i.e. The Democrats are hard at work seeking to remove your freedoms and mine….”Stupid is as stupid does”…Forrest Gump.

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