There’s No Such Thing As A Law-Abiding Gun Owner?

By NRA Board Member Scott L. Bach

Leah Gunn Barrett
New Yorkers Against Gun Violence’s Leah Gunn-Barrett insinuates – There’s no such thing as a law-abiding gun owner.
Scott Bach
Scott Bach

New Jersey – -(Ammoland.com)- Last month I debated the head of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence in front of a class on culture wars at NYU in Manhattan.

Ironically named Leah Gunn-Barrett @gunnbarrett, the Empire State gun ban advocate presented a slick PowerPoint with charts and graphs of phony statistics supposedly showing that civilian gun ownership is responsible for all manner of murder and mayhem.

Her core message was that guns are a product intended to kill that have caused a public health crisis requiring extreme regulation; that the Second Amendment is really a collective right that belongs to the states, not individuals, and the Supreme Court’s Heller decision is a historical anomaly; and that NRA is the “gun lobby” doing the bidding of gun manufacturers for economic gain.

My core message was that guns save lives; that your personal safety is your own responsibility, since police have no legal duty to protect you; that gun laws are ignored by criminals and make the law-abiding more vulnerable.

That the same government that says it has no duty to protect you shouldn’t limit your right to protect yourself. I also made the obvious point that the Second Amendment is an individual right found in the Bill of Rights, and that NRA is the “gun RIGHTS lobby,” and speaks on behalf the millions of individuals who make it strong, not manufacturers.

The most revealing and disturbing moment of the debate came during the Q&A.

Ms. Gunn-Barrett candidly laid bare a basic premise of the gun ban mindset that usually goes unspoken: there’s no such thing as a law-abiding gun owner.

“You can be perfectly law-abiding one moment,” said Ms. Gunn-Barrett during the debate, “and then the next moment you can be a criminal and do something criminal and wrong, like shoot up a movie theater, or kill your spouse during an argument.” Regulation of people and behavior is needed, she said, “to protect us against our own stupidity and our own irrationality.”

In her warped view, we are all just ticking time bombs, waiting to go off. A law-abiding citizen could go on a murderous rampage just as easily as exceeding the speed limit. One minute we can be good, and the next moment we can become monsters.

That viewpoint explains every twisted piece of piece of gun ban legislation we’ve seen, and shows that what these extremists are targeting is legal gun ownership itself, not the criminal misuse of guns. To them, there is no such thing as a legal gun owner, so the solution is to reduce or eliminate gun ownership itself. When the anti’s speak of ending gun violence, what they really mean is ending gun ownership.

These people will not stop until there is nothing left of the Second Amendment, and the only obstacle in their way is us. Gun owners must remain eternally vigilant and prepared to answer the call to defend the one Freedom that separates us from every other nation in the history of the world.

Stand and fight!

Scott L. Bach, Esq. is a member of the NRA Board of Directors and is Executive Director and past President of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. He is also a former member of law enforcement. Website: www.bachbio.com, Email: [email protected]

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David
David
6 years ago

As for the Second Amendment… why in the world would the founding fathers have written something into basic law guaranteeing “The government” be it federal or state to keep & bear arms? That makes no sense. They had to have meant the individual people. And using her warped logic, that means presidents & military leaders could turn criminal and use the government’s weapons for evil acts.. so are we gonna disarm all the authorities / military? After all they have weapons far more dangerous and can cause more deaths than what is available to civilians. We all saw in Ferguson,… Read more »

David
David
6 years ago
Reply to  David

Correction- …so we the people are our own last line of defense…

There needs to be a edit button good for a few minutes.

Johnny
Johnny
6 years ago

Seems to me that she suspects everyone on the earth of being as deranged and demented as herself. Maybe she is okay one minute and a raging maniac the next, Nah , she is a moron continually.

Kay Oss
Kay Oss
6 years ago

The BiIl of Rights are personal freedoms that specifically apply to individuals. Ms. Gunn-Barret should perhaps actually read the Constitution before she tries to interpret it.

Jack Blankenship
Jack Blankenship
6 years ago

Parallel Logic: More people are killed via stabbings with some type of knife/blade/instrument than with guns, therefor, we must make only plastic eating utensils legal (like in prison) because we are not responsible enough not to use them as weapons. Padded cells will soon be needed for each person, then they will not have anything available to hurt themselves or others. Her Logic states that a person is incapable of self control so therefor, must be controlled! Grab her before she hurts herself or someone else. “Infectious Insanity” is spreading amongst the anti-gun, people we must detain them for their… Read more »

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago

Let’s make a stand:
S U P P O R T O U R
2 N D A M E N D M E N T
R I G H T S !!
Without it…our country will definitely
N E V E R be the same!!

Rod
Rod
6 years ago

Why is it the gun hating hypocrites. always have dark glassy eyes? They look like they are hypnotized almost. If anyone is scary it is her face. She could really use a makeover. SOmebody give her life purpose so she may awaken to reality someday.

MetsFan
MetsFan
6 years ago

Nothing is more dangerous than ignorant assclowns willing to give up their rights to those who are hell-bent on “saving us from ourselves” Take our government for instance, one minute they are our forefathers creating rules against those who would seek to steal our Freedom and God given rights, and the next minute they are creating rules and taxes to “protect us from ourselves.”

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Well, yes, it’s true, a law abiding citizen could become a criminal at any given moment, but this is NOT a reason to do away with guns for private citizens. In fact, this is ALL THE MORE reason to advocate gun rights for private citizens, because of the unknown. You never know when a madman with a gun or a machete might walk into a school or an ice cream parlor and begin hacking or shooting, so it is that much more vital that we have the ability to protect ourselves. This woman’s argument is like saying we shouldn’t eat… Read more »

Joe
Joe
6 years ago

“Regulation of people and behavior is needed, she said, “to protect us against our own stupidity and our own irrationality.””

To be honest, it probably sounded better in the original Russian, circa 1917.

Greg
Greg
6 years ago

That’s like saying that we shouldn’t have a 1st Amendment because you can have perfect grammar at one point, but misspel something the next.

Jim37015
Jim37015
6 years ago

Ask the people of France how they feel about citizens owning guns. Their police don’t even carry guns. The criminal & terrorists will always be armed.

Denise
Denise
6 years ago

WOW!
That is some kind of crazy.

Pat M
Pat M
6 years ago

Just read something a few days ago about the very restrictive gun laws in France. It’s estimated that there are about twice as many illegal guns in France as there are legal ones. Is this because everyone in France is a gun toting criminal? No it’s because people feel the need to protect themselves and their government has made it nearly impossible for them to do so.

Willie Calhoun
Willie Calhoun
6 years ago

I would love the hear the question and answer session. I am sure it was quite interesting?

DrFeelgood
DrFeelgood
6 years ago

Projection at its raw finest. She knows that she can’t be trusted with a gun, and her immature mind only functions under the presumption that all other people are the exact same way.

Frankly, I wouldn’t trust her with a rusty spork.

robert rowell
robert rowell
6 years ago

it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt!!!!!

russ
russ
6 years ago

Follow the Money———she is being paid by an individual or group to say these things-so she is a Prostitute -for them!!!!!!

MoNgOhAtEsWiNtEr
MoNgOhAtEsWiNtEr
6 years ago
Reply to  russ

Just another frustrated, homely woman that’s reaching out for attention & the limelight….not to mention the cash being handed her by the anti-gun Bloomberg types for her to do their bidding……bitch needs laid….

Don Lounsbury
Don Lounsbury
6 years ago

That statement was just stupid and it amazes me that it would even be published. Thats like saying that everyone that drives is a Criminal becouse they could drink then get behind the wheel and start driving. That means you Leah Gunn-Barrett, Are a Criminal. Leah you are also a IDIOT.

freewill
freewill
6 years ago

one only has to check crime stats in every city with strict gun bans. criminals are ruling the streets. over 70 million firearms have been purchased legally since 2009, with all the purchases before that, i’m gonna say over half the nation is armed, so that puts the crime stats with a gun at less than 1/10 of 1% and over 50% of that is strict gun control cities. cities with the least restrictions have the lowest crimes. aggravated assaults involving a firearm is 25%, 75% involves other weapons. the website…world life expectancy ranks the U.S 63rd in death by… Read more »

CapnDad
CapnDad
6 years ago

“Regulation of people and behavior is needed….to protect us against our own stupidity and irrationality.” Wow. Who makes the regulations if everyone is stupid and irrational? This woman is an idiot.

HappyClinger
HappyClinger
6 years ago

There’s no such thing as a law-abiding liberal; one moment, they’re just do-gooders and the next, they’re infringing on everyone ELSE’s rights.

People like her are the reason I so appreciate the 2nd Amendment.

Rusty Blake
Rusty Blake
6 years ago

In response to the reference to her argument that the 2nd Amendment only applies to the States, and only in the form of a state militia (aka National Guard)…it is simply lying to the people. The Army, Navy, and National Guard were created and regulated under Article 1, section 8, clauses 12-16, and have very little (if any) relation to any part of the “Bill of Rights”.

teebonicus
teebonicus
6 years ago

They can pound away on the Second Amendment all they want. The USSC has already weighed in on the people’s right to arms: “The right there specified is that of ‘bearing arms for a lawful purpose’. This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.” – U.S. v. Cruikshank (1875) So we see that no matter what, the people have the right to arms. It wasn’t granted by government, and it can’t be taken away by government. It can either be honored by government, or disrespected and… Read more »

David P
David P
6 years ago

This woman is nothing more than a sh$t stain in the underwear of society.

Wolf J Flywheel
Wolf J Flywheel
6 years ago

Ms. Gunn-Barrett: And there’s no such thing as an honest politician, one moment they’re honest and the next they’re Andrew Cuomo. Or, there’s no such thing as a faithful wife, one moment they’re faithful and the next they’re a roadwhore. Or there’s no such thing as a competent National Leader, one moment they’re running for office and the next they’re Barack Obama. Or there’s no such thing as unbiased Furher, one moment you’ve got a mild-mannered house painter and the next you have Adolf Hitler, committing the Holocaust. Or, there’s no such thing as an ethical lawyer, one moment they’re… Read more »

Jack Meyoff
Jack Meyoff
6 years ago

Leah Gunn-Barrett is a dumb “can’t.” If we follow this disgusting and repulsive sluts logic, then there is ” no such thing as a law abiding driver” either.

Since at any time, any person can have just one or two drinks putting them over the legal limit, they can turn their car or truck into a lethal instrument of death and destruction

We need to ban all private ownership of cars and trucks immediately!

ConradCA
ConradCA
6 years ago

The progressive fascists want to ban guns because they believe that is a good thing to do but because guns give the people the power to oppose the tyrant that they want to impose on society. Tyrant Obama the Liar and the progressive fascists want to destroy our country (Fundamentally change) so they can built their utopia in it’s ruins. A utopia where they rule a one party state, the state controls every aspect of society and their is no liberty. This utopia is just like that created by their fellow fascists, the Nazis, Communists and Muslims, and the result… Read more »

Hanz
Hanz
6 years ago

“There’s no such thing as a law abiding car owner. You can be perfectly law abiding and the next moment, you can be a criminal, like drunk drive or run people over.”

Sounds idiotic right?

WOLFGANG ADLHOCH
WOLFGANG ADLHOCH
6 years ago

I am a canadian law abiding gun owner and collector and live just north of new york and vermont state.We too have our raving,ranting and irrational anti gun female do-goodders.(Male ones too) .The one thing I learned after many years standing up for law abiding gun owners is , that you can not have a meaningfull factual discussion with these yoyos because plain logic and facts are totally alien to them.You make some headway by simply cutting them off when they shoot their mouth off, with the facts.If anyone here would make the statement -There is no such thing as… Read more »

warren
warren
6 years ago

Yes there is law abiding gun owners how stupid is that comment. I have owned a firearm since I was 21 years old and now I am 66 years old and nothing has changed I have never committed a crime ever and have never shot anyone because I was taut first and foremost by my parents the value of human life and the only time that I would ever use my firearm on any person is if my life is threatened by those who don’t value human life like most of your criminals. Gun control legislation hasn’t worked because criminals… Read more »

Lee J C
Lee J C
6 years ago

Scott, was the debate recorded? I’d like to listen to it.

Oregon Hobo
Oregon Hobo
6 years ago

Looking for some clarification… did Ms. Gunn-Barrett actually say “There’s no such thing as a law abiding gun owner”? Putting that in quotes gives the impression that’s what she said, but the context of the article seems to imply that might be a paraphrasing of what she did say.

Regards,

#OREGON HOBO#

Rollye
Rollye
6 years ago
Reply to  Oregon Hobo

I agree with this question , I see more and more ‘ Pro-Gun ‘ sites resort to click-bait headlines.( Ignore it ) How could the editor allow this ?

dave
dave
6 years ago
Reply to  Oregon Hobo

Where in the article does the statement “There is no such thing as a law-abiding gun owner” appear in quotes. The article only quotes her as having said “You can be perfectly law-abiding one moment,” said Ms. Gunn-Barrett during the debate, “and then the next moment you can be a criminal and do something criminal and wrong, like shoot up a movie theater, or kill your spouse during an argument.” Regulation of people and behavior is needed, she said, “to protect us against our own stupidity and our own irrationality.” The article also clearly states: New Yorkers Against Gun Violence’s… Read more »

Eric
Eric
6 years ago

I’d leave her for another pistol IN a NEW YORK MINUTE. haha. Oh yeah I left NY in 1996.

Ivan Pistov
6 years ago

There are numerous items in our world that would fall within her philosophical idea of banning, preventing, getting rid of, or doing away with. CARS, a big one. On the news every day some moron steals one, leads the police on a chase, or creams some innocent driver just trying to get somewhere. KNIVES; BASEBALL BATS; PROPANE BOTTLES; FIREWORKS; HEAVY FLASHLIGHTS; the list is infinite. Why don’t “they” just put us all in cells and solitary from birth onward. Oh, but who other than Ms. Gunn-Barrett would be qualified to carry something like this out? She surely has not thought… Read more »

Drew in Michigan
Drew in Michigan
6 years ago

There is a very good piece over at the JFPO here; http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm
That Speaks directly to this woman and the many that follow her line of thinking.
~
Raging Against Self Defense:
A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
By Sarah Thompson, M.D.
Permission is granted to distribute this article in its entirety, so long as full copyright information
and full contact information is given for JPFO. Copyright © 2000 Sarah Thompson, MD~

Slinkey
Slinkey
6 years ago

” When people have too much Freedom , you have to move to limit it. ” Bill Clinton . Regulate this dingbats freedom of speech then ….. let her lead by example.

P Patterson
P Patterson
6 years ago

This type of person scares me as there is no reasoning with them at all. Hope she stays in New York, she shouldn’t be allowed out.

RDNK
RDNK
6 years ago

Theres something about the way the liberals from NY look that shows their insanity. This is a very sick bitch right here !

jack burton
jack burton
6 years ago

By the liberal logic there is no such thing as a law abiding non-rapist. Any man can snap at any time and use his “weapon” to do great harm to another, innocent person.

By their logic every man should be castrated at age 14 “just in case”. The issue of rape is too important for any lesser measures.

xqqme4thinking
xqqme4thinking
6 years ago

Prior restraint of a constitutional right has been declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS before, and that’s what this author wants… Restrictions, limitations, yes… INFRINGEMENTS, on the Second Amendment.

Bp.David
Bp.David
6 years ago
Reply to  xqqme4thinking

In that case, what we need is a prior restriction on the idiot Gunn-Barrett’s FIRST Amendment rights so we could shut off the sewage spewing from her mouth!

steve
steve
6 years ago

By that logic, all men are rapists waitIng-to-happen because they own a penis.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

So if bannaing guns would prevent Newtowna and other massacres, how does she explain the events in Paris, where almost all guns are illegal?I guess the shooters didn’t see the memo.

eaglesnester
eaglesnester
6 years ago

This is a very disturbed woman. In psychiatric terms there is a thing called transference. Transference comes into play when a unbalanced individual has thoughts of hostile feelings towards others. They know these feelings of rage and hate are wrong and suppress them. They will also rationalize subconsciously that they can transfer these feelings of hate and destruction to others. They are so afraid of what they themselves might do with a gun that they do not want anyone else to have one.

Bob Crifasi
Bob Crifasi
6 years ago

Scott, Thank you so much for fighting for us on all fronts of this war. I thought of several things I wanted to say, but when I composed them in my mind I realized I’d just be preaching to the choir. Thank you for bringing our message directly to those that are opposed to what we know in our hearts. Thank you for allowing those ideas to reverberate in those rooms full of others that may grow to understand what we already know. Thank you for doing it in a clear calm manor, that allows those ideas to reach their… Read more »

Rich
Rich
6 years ago

Since the woman in question has all the equipment to be a hooker she may be one today or for sure one tomorrow. She does not trust us why should we trust her?

2brknot2bfree
2brknot2bfree
6 years ago
Reply to  Rich

Leah Gunn-Barrett is already a prostitute for the anti-gun, anti-American lobby, i.e., the Bloomberg socialist party & its minions. How the Republican Party in NYS ever let a moron like Michael Bloomberg on their ticket would be beside me if the two major anti-gun laws in NYS were not first passed under Republican led administrations, i.e., Rockefeller & Pataki. Also, if one would read the book written by Richard Rosenbaum, a former Republican Party head of NYS, gubernatorial candidate, former Monroe County judge, one would realize that the NY State Republican Party is as much anti-gun as the Demo(n)cRATick (evil,… Read more »

Larry
Larry
6 years ago
Reply to  2brknot2bfree

It’s because he’s a RINO, not a real Republican. There are very few REAL Republicans in NY.

JP Wheelock
JP Wheelock
6 years ago
Reply to  Larry

The governor of NYS went so far as to state that if you are a conservative, Bible believing, 2nd amendment supporter that there is no place for you in NYS. Absolutely un-American!

brolin_1911a1
brolin_1911a1
6 years ago
Reply to  2brknot2bfree

IIRC, Michael Bloomberg was “allowed” to run as a Republican because he’d lost the Democrat primary and, it being NYC, the Republican slate was blank. So he simply filed as a Republican and thereby automatically got that spot on the mayoral ballot. He truly was Republican in name only, at least as long as the fiction was necessary for him to retain that spot on the ballot. During his last term in that office he officially changed to “Independent.” The issue does, however, illustrated a valid point regarding anti-gun politicians. They will claim or run as whatever they believe is… Read more »

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

Someone responded to a woman with an argument like this several years ago by saying, “Well then, you must be a prostitute.” Of course, she was shocked that he would say such a thing, and she said so. Then he said, “Well, you’ve got all the proper equipment for it, don’t you?” It then became clear, even to her, how flawed her argument was.

Larry
Larry
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Given her attitude and looks (see picture above) she would shortly starve as a hooker.

TRob ARob
TRob ARob
6 years ago

I’ve known and worked with Scott Bach for a number of years as a former ANJRPC member. For many years the Association has run critical firearms training programs throughout the State, most notably at it range in Northern NJ. I wish I could have been in that class to hear Scott’s opponent defend her statement. I am sure no one thought or sought to ask her “How do you reconcile 2A with legal firearms ownership, since SCOTUS has ruled that it is an individual Right?” Keep up the hard work Mr. Bach. NJ and it’s citizens continue to need you.… Read more »

Jake
Jake
6 years ago

The only difference between a moron and a genius is that genius has it’s limits. Obviously Leah has no limit. When will the morons realize they should shut up and let us suspect they are stupid? Why do they feel it necessary to open theirs mouths only to prove it. Thank you as always Mr. Bach. We appreciate your tenacity and resolve. Not to mention your common sense. Wait a minute? Why do they call it common sense if it’s not that common? I mean Leah doesn’t have any common sense. If she did this world would be a safer… Read more »

TRob ARob
TRob ARob
6 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Love your opening quote

brad
brad
6 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Jake , the thing about mirons is- they dont know theyre morons. They cant comprehend theyre own stupidity.

Terry Rhuebottom
Terry Rhuebottom
6 years ago
Reply to  Jake

As much as I love your analogy I do believe it is a bit wrong. The difference genius is using your brain to defy limits (In my opinion) a moron would be someone who uses the same grey matter as a paperweight.

Janek
Janek
6 years ago

Applying Ms. Gunn-Barrett’s logic to priests is like saying you’re a priest today and a pedophile sometime in the future. What a crock of excrement!

Gary
Gary
6 years ago
Reply to  Janek

One minute she is a good and decent woman, the next she is having a gang bang with a dozen men! Makes as much sense as what this twit said!

Ricko
Ricko
6 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Agreed, she has a vagina. That may just drive her over the edge. One minute she is a good and decent wife, but the next minute her vagina drives her to become a prostitute simply because she has one!

Richard
Richard
6 years ago
Reply to  Ricko

Looking at the picture I think she would only attract a very specialist clientele

vom brunhaus
vom brunhaus
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard

Like mostly all Democrat politicians she makes no point of (gun violence, crime and Murders within the Black communities of this USA) wont even mention the stats by Race. Did anyone ever hear Bloomburg talk about Black Gun Violece ? Never !!! Not being racist as the figures speak for themselves as do the people . Gifford same way . All AFRAID to touch on this Topic in fear of losing Black votes. Blacks really dont want to live under these conditions but are afraid to snitc, along with a dis-trust of Police. All I have to say.

Mike
Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Gary

I can think of a million other comparisons that would have been more appropriate…….:)

Scott
Scott
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Not really! The comparison is equal! She has a vagina and could easily sell it out for fun. It doesn’t mean she will because she may have morals. A person that owns a gun could shoot people in a criminal way, but it doesn’t mean they will. Most law abiding gun owners have morals! Anyone can do bad things! It’s your moral compass that guides you and makes you decide to do right or wrong! Taking guns away from law abiding citizens only guarantees that criminals will have guns! The murder rate would go through the roof if that were… Read more »

Niels
Niels
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Could you list them off, please. I am curious.

Darkfox Bill
Darkfox Bill
6 years ago
Reply to  Janek

***************** This comment was removed by the admin as the spirit and content of the comment violates Ammoland’s comment policy. Darkfox Bill take you anti catholic priest bashing elsewhere your slander will not stand here sir on my watch. Ammoland Founder Brian P Johnson ********************

Danny
Danny
6 years ago
Reply to  Darkfox Bill

It appears to me that Ammo land is all for gun rights, as guaranteed by the Constitution, (as am I) but not so gung-ho on freedom of speech, evidenced by the deletion of Darkfox Bill’s comment! I am vehemently pro gun but feel like some of my brethren(ammoland) do more harm than good for the cause!

Terry Rhuebottom
Terry Rhuebottom
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

They didn’t do anything to his freedom of speech. They at their option set fourth by their forum rules took down something that was against their policy. Every other site that has active moderators would do the same thing. He was allowed to type it but it doesn’t mean that they have to keep it up on their forum.

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

It appears you don’t know the first thing about the constitution or what Freedom of Speech really means. it has nothing at all to do with being able to say whatever you want in a private forum and everything to do with having the legal right to disparage your government without fear or prosecution. AmmoLand has every right to remove unacceptable content from comments, as this is their board. they choose not to foster or host rhetoric that is vile and insulting. on the contrary, they are attempting to stand up for our rights without treading on someone else’s and… Read more »

OldTimeBiker
OldTimeBiker
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

It’s a common misconception that freedom of speech applies in all venues. As a matter of fact, freedom of speech ONLY applies where governmental bodies are concerned. In a private forum, such as Ammoland, the owner of Ammoland, or designee is allowed to set the standard of what is deemed appropriate. If the owner or designee finds something offensive or slanderous he is (they are) within his (their) rights to censor and eliminate it. I don’t know exactly what Darkfox Bill said but, obviously it had something negative to do with Catholic Priests and the admin of this comment section… Read more »

SvenWithSkills
SvenWithSkills
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Private forums do not not have to allow total freedom of speech any more than a mother tolerating her son telling dirty jokes at the dinner table or anywhere in their house. Thank you, admins for filtering content that crosses the line by a wide margin!

dalek
dalek
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

1st amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

Please note the first five words. This site is not the Congress. It is a private site. Their rules.

PonyMan
PonyMan
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

All depends on what DarkfoxBill had to say. Remember friends that our 1st amendment rights are limited (slanderous, treasonous, libelous, no shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater-ous are all not protected). Also, this blog has the right to control the dialog here for the same reason you might control dialog in your home or business. With rights come responsibilities, and those who act responsibly most often know the limits of our freedoms.

manny
manny
6 years ago
Reply to  Darkfox Bill

You don’t have to be a Catholic priest to be a child abuser. Or a gun owners to kill someone with a gun. Removing post because you are apparently a Catholic is as wrong as what she is doing. You can’t just pick to defend one part of the constitution while tuturning your head to the party you don’t like. Like free speech.

Erika Allen
Erika Allen
6 years ago
Reply to  manny

As the people above you have already mentioned; free speech does not apply in a private forum.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
As you can see, this site is not Congress. The admin are free to limit whatever speech they find offensive and off topic.

Howard Ball
Howard Ball
6 years ago
Reply to  manny

Freedom of speech is not a given by all companies, or private institutions , if it were , all of us who ever had soap in our mouth’s as children could of complained about our rights being broken , instead of our pride & our butts.

Bp.David
Bp.David
6 years ago
Reply to  Janek

There is no such thing as a law-abiding Gunn-Barrett, because in the near future she will be organizing an Obummer-Hitler Youth corps! And HER type of criminal was HUNG at Neurenberg!

DOC
DOC
6 years ago
Reply to  Janek

There is no such thing as a carpenter. He carries a hammer and at some point is going to start crushing heads with it because that is what you have to do with hammers. These people scare the hell out of me because they are obviously unstable and think everyone else is as well. Increase the Zoloft you morons!

Joe
Joe
6 years ago
Reply to  DOC

the man was not bashing the Catholic Church he merely used ERRANT Preists in much the same way as that mentally ill woman used errant gun owners. Here, a carpenter is being used to make the same point. Are Carpenters bad? No. An errant Carpenters hammer is being used to make an amplify. Don’t be so sensitive – ESPECIALLY if you haves guns.

joe wallendorff
joe wallendorff
6 years ago

Thanks Scott for trying, I think they are smart people and they are doing exactly what they intend to do which is to try and make us more European. Fortunately our forefathers already seen the problem with being European.

Dennis C. Fait
Dennis C. Fait
6 years ago

I puke every time I see someone misuse the word “seen”.

Terry
Terry
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

I always” puke ” when someone uses a public forum to inflate their feelings about themselves.

JoeSnow
JoeSnow
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

I haven’t seen where it was misused. Please point it out.

Parallax3d
Parallax3d
6 years ago
Reply to  JoeSnow

Propper usage of seen:
It was SEEN by many people.

Improper usage:
They SEEN the problem. (Should be; They SAW the problem.)

Chris
Chris
6 years ago
Reply to  Parallax3d

Propper? As in, “…they had to PROPPER up”? Muahahahaaaa….

Jpvoodoo
Jpvoodoo
6 years ago
Reply to  Parallax3d

I want to puke whenever people don’t spell “propper” properly.

jimstainless
jimstainless
6 years ago
Reply to  Parallax3d

because grammar was the most important part of the comment?

Andy
Andy
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

You should probably see a doctor about that. I’m pretty sure that isn’t normal.

NSal
NSal
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

I agree. Improper “seen” usage destroys my ability to take the author seriously.

That said, this all sounds like something some other “anti-gunner” said some time ago. They don’t stop.

Larry
Larry
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

Tough. Suck it up, wwimp

utelme
utelme
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

Wipe the puke off your shirt and move on this is not a grammar lesson.I seen lots of arrogant butt heads like you that think they are the last word in communication.

Gnathos
Gnathos
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

Puke? Seen? We have grammar police to determine the argument regarding the second amendment? C’mon guys, do you believe in the second amendment or are you going to get wrapped around the axle about grammar? I hate the so called “hoplophobes” and they are trying to produce another felon. I’d rather be castigated for killing or attempting to kill a federal officer trying to confiscate my second amendment protected firearms than to submit to such. There are many great citizens who feel the same. If you achieve your goals, do well without us. I certainly don’t want to contribute an… Read more »

Wayne Womack
Wayne Womack
6 years ago
Reply to  Gnathos

I agree the point is nothing about grammar its about our rights being taken away . I will never trust anyone that wants to disarm the American people . Just look at past history of countries that has done that in the past . The Nazis , communist , how many people were killed after being disarmed . There is something sinister going on when someone wants to ban guns . Just look at what the liberals have been trying to do , take away our first amendment rights our religious rights our 2nd amendment rights , and there are… Read more »

Clyde
Clyde
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

Dude, you should just chill out and try to not converse again, with someone who might not have been as concerned as you about doing well in English. Be happy he didn’t have to choose which “there”, or choose the proper “to”. . .God, it could have been so much worse! . . .Smoke, for the medicinal effect only, some quality herb, then eat you a can of sliced peaches, just right out of the can, NO MATTER WHO’S WATCHING! . .’help ya have a good bowel movement, an’ PLEASE! . .DON’T FREAK OUT OVER MY PUNCTUATION! . . .and… Read more »

Darren
Darren
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis C. Fait

Dennis, it’s just a comment, let his misuse of seen go. If Joe were writing an article for publication I’d be with you, get the grammar right. You seen my point? 🙂

Heretic
Heretic
6 years ago
Steven
Steven
6 years ago

she looks like a ticking time bomb

Barry Green
Barry Green
6 years ago
Reply to  Steven

It’s easy to see why she’s a “Ms.” and not a “Mrs.”.

Prophet
Prophet
6 years ago
Reply to  Steven

She looks like Phil Spector

cw4usa
cw4usa
6 years ago
Reply to  Steven

I take it this person doesn’t drive an automobile because of her propensity to become the exploding part of the ticking time bomb that she is. One minute a safe and sane driver. the next, she is plowing through the largest crowd that she can find in the shopping mall.

Dennis
Dennis
6 years ago

If/when they ban guns, next will be blades over a certain size, then sticks over a certain size. Meanwhile, the criminals will always be armed, and the law abiding unprotected. Plus the rich will always have somebody armed to the teeth protecting them. Read into that what you want.

KinderBenzer
KinderBenzer
6 years ago
Reply to  Dennis

It’s already like that in England. No guns, no knives, no tasers, darn near no sticks!

John
John
6 years ago
Reply to  KinderBenzer

You clearly have not taken a look at the homicide rate in England recently. I’ll sum it up for you:

Last year, in Miami, more people were killed by guns than were killed in the UK, OVER THE PAST 10 (yes, ten) years.

Feel free to speculate cause and effect.

mike
mike
6 years ago
Reply to  John

“You clearly have not taken a look at the homicide rate in England recently. I’ll sum it up for you: Last year, in Miami, more people were killed by guns than were killed in the UK, OVER THE PAST 10 (yes, ten) years. Feel free to speculate cause and effect.” Feel free to explain why being killed by a gun somehow results in being *more* dead than by being killed in a traffic accident, in a fire, by poison, etc etc. And speaking of the UK… in 2011, the violent crime rate was somewhere around 7000 per 100k, Compare that… Read more »

Stacey
Stacey
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Yes, because comparing apples and kumquats is always such a great idea. The UK’s crime reporting is a HELL of a lot different than the US’s. Here’s a very good review, with sources, about how crime reporting in the UK works – http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html

W. Bent
W. Bent
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Homicides in Miami in 2012, totaled 69 while homicides in the United Kingdom totaled 653 for the same year. I don’t know where you got your numbers but you are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Miami-Florida.html

Tkat
Tkat
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Thats the thing, it seems to work In England, also in Australia.

Bob Ratliff
Bob Ratliff
6 years ago
Reply to  John

I watched the tail end of a video last year as a pair of blood thirsty Muslims carved up a soldier in the streets of England, as he had no apparent way to defend himself!! Feel free to read into that what you wish! Oppression, Tyranny, etc.

Sick & Tired
Sick & Tired
6 years ago
Reply to  John

I am sure those in England are comforted watching crazed Muslims in the streets carving up citizen soldiers with cutlery with blood dripping from their hands! And their isn’t a DAMN THING they can do about it! How comforting!

Animal
Animal
6 years ago
Reply to  John

We Are Not In Europe . !!!!!!!

Brendan
Brendan
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Look at the statistics John. The UK has a higher rate of violent crime per capita than the US. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Michael
Michael
6 years ago
Reply to  John

John you are full of crap where did you get your BS from? Bloomberg ? murders in UK for 2012 is 550 total. The total Murder rate of any kind in Miami in 2012 is 69 . no need to speculate on BS .

Jason Greene
Jason Greene
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Actually you are wrong.
for one the Crime report for last year from the Miami Police department isn’t even out yet. even so for 2013 there are only 77 murders reported. That said according to the Guardian an English news site just in the same year in England there were over 500 homicides. Feel free to check the data below.

http://www.miami-police.org/docs/PD_Annual_Report_13.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/feb/13/violent-sexual-crime-statistics-england-wales-2013

Thomas Jefferson The 2ND
Thomas Jefferson The 2ND
6 years ago
Reply to  John

That statistic may be true, I don’t know didn’t care to look it up. I do know for a fact that every other crime statistic has risen drastically over there in the UK since the ban. And in the US it’s not LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS it’s inner city criminals. Don’t you think we should be going after them. This bitch want’s all our guns disarm the country. If you know your history you know what happens when the citizen’s are disarmed. The UK is a diff. place same thing with Australia. Crime has gone off the chart’s since they… Read more »

Terry Kohrt
Terry Kohrt
6 years ago
Reply to  John

John, while your statement may be correct… look at the VIOLENT CRIMES committed since they were disarmed. They have risen DRAMATICALLY since citizens were disarmed and no longer can defend themselves. Now compare the violent crimes from one to another and see where the crime has risen vs where it has fallen… your point is mute!
Give criminals a free reign and they will take it, and they have! Free the citizens to protest themselves and crime will drop again! Stats in the USA PROVE IT!

Sir Roger de Coverley
Sir Roger de Coverley
6 years ago
Reply to  John

The violent crime rate is much higher in the United Kingdom than it is in the United States.

I live in Miami, FL. This is not a warzone. The vast majority of incidents involving homicides by shooting occur in black-majority ghettos (no racism intended here, but that’s the truth) like Liberty City and Opa Locka.

I am not going to allow anyone on Earth to disarm me and make me defenseless just because gang members are killing each other 40 miles away from me.

Gary
Gary
6 years ago
Reply to  John

Have you ever spent any time in Miami? That is like saying there were more murders in Detroit than in some small town in Minnesota. Means nothing.

stretchy pants
stretchy pants
6 years ago
Reply to  John

It’s much easier to control gun ownership when your an island nation. How long has drugs been illegal and you can buy them anywhere. If guns become illegal then guns will be the number one product coming across the Mexican border than drugs.

George B.
George B.
6 years ago
Reply to  John

You clearly have done no research and are regurgitating info you have only been fed. The homicide rate, per capita , in the UK is higher than in the U.S. The gun homicide rate is a bit higher but not as much as you would expect. Killers in the U.K. find a way to kill. Same everywhere. Criminals care little about the law.

Evan
Evan
6 years ago
Reply to  John

, do you have the statistics for non-gun related murders in the UK? Or do we know what the difference is in population size between the US and UK?

jimstainless
jimstainless
6 years ago
Reply to  John

so you blame Cubans? Miami has a lot of cubans

jimstainless
jimstainless
6 years ago
Reply to  John

I would speculate by the comments that John has no clue how to verify statistics or tell the truth

EvilCreamsicle
EvilCreamsicle
6 years ago
Reply to  John

tkat…

why don’t you ask Charlie Hebdo how well it worked for them in France.

RJB
RJB
6 years ago
Reply to  John

If the Libtards/gun banners were as concerned about CRIMINALS, crime and enforcing the exsisting gun laws on the books instead of trying to disarm law abiding citizens they might actually get some positive results. But then again its not really about guns, its about control. Besides, who the hell can take anyone seriously that wants the gun emoji removed from the Iphones, pretty much sums up what a mindless idiot your dealing with. Gunn Barrett is nothing more than a helpless victim. Liberalism is a mental illness. Guns are not the problem, CRIMINALS ARE !!!!!!!!!!!! As a law abiding citizen… Read more »

Rusty
Rusty
6 years ago

A person could have a Baseball Bat in his hands and bash someone in their heat or drive a car and have road rage and kill someone , are you going to out law Base Bats or cars etc. etc. wake up lady .

Ivan Joynt
Ivan Joynt
6 years ago
Reply to  Rusty

That “thing” is not a lady.

RJB
RJB
6 years ago
Reply to  Ivan Joynt

Your right, she is a mentally unstable, angry Libtard.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago

I’m so glad SHE does not own a gun. Talk about a ticking time bomb!

Desert Storm Vet
Desert Storm Vet
6 years ago

This wench is typical of the progressive mind-set. She doesn’t deserve to live in the US.

Wade
Wade
6 years ago

I do not think they are smart people. I think they have a problem with logic and basic thought and reasoning. Steered by emotions, their assertion of their will over the more wiser Founding Fathers is just the tip of the narcissistic mindset. Look, I’m tired of being their psychologist and I will put it bluntly. Their problem is called projection. They are projecting their innate violent tendencies upon all of us. When in reality they are trying to defend themselves from their own political constituency. Probably the one tactic you left out Mr. Bach was a direct hit to… Read more »

Jerson Camposano
Jerson Camposano
6 years ago

Therefore you are right and te constitution of the U.S. A IS WRONG? HE-HE-E

Kiley Anderson
Kiley Anderson
6 years ago

“Fortunately our forefathers already SEEN the problem with being European.” The past tense of ” see” is saw. “Seen” is the past participle of see which requires the use of a verb such as have, had, or had. Many of you who do not posses proper grammar skills may not see the difference but to those of us who actually read and respect the English language it is like fingernails on a chalkboard and makes us assume that the speaker or writer is a total moron.

Stacey Prusky
Stacey Prusky
6 years ago
Reply to  Kiley Anderson

Amen!

nina
nina
6 years ago
Reply to  Kiley Anderson

who died and made u the grammar police… i can handle the miss use of words what makes me sick is people like you who only read thru the comments and only comment when correcting someone’s grammar u must have a pathetic life since u seem to need to correct every one.. just cause someone miss uses a word doesn’t make them a moron and quite frankly the english language came from europe so i like to see people butcher the **** out of it

DAVE HAYDEN
DAVE HAYDEN
6 years ago

Everyone has a right to express there opinion. No one has the right to force their opinion on anyone. Our has lived with the laws of our country over 200 years. A corrupt government is more dangerous. If you don`t like our laws, leave. If someone wants to kill you. They will find a way. It`s all about being responsible for ones self. The punishment for some crimes are not strict enough because it is getting worse. If you kill someone with intent you should get death penalty. I stand responsible for my self and only my self. .

bontaiJoe
bontaiJoe
6 years ago

“there’s no such thing as a law-abiding vagina owner. You can be perfectly law-abiding one moment,and then the next moment you can be a criminal and start selling yourself on the street to every man passing by”.

My version of what she said would get anyone laughed out of the building. Amazing that replacing the word “gun” with pretty much anything totally makes it obvious how stupid this line of thought is.

Chris
Chris
6 years ago

Where do these ignorant left wingers come from? This woman is apparently ignorant to the FACTS about gun ownership. I recommend she read “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott.

RDNK
RDNK
6 years ago

In any forum there is always some little pissant grammer/spelling expert. Its like that is their only purpose visiting the site,to be an expert on grammar. I never seen/sawed/saw nothing like it in all my put togethers !

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