Hands Up, Just Shoot! Claims Witness To Oregon Protester Killing

Jeff Knox covers claims of witness to killing of Oregon protester.

LaVoy Finicum
The death of LaVoy Finicum is a needless tragedy.
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Oregon – ↓5-(Ammoland.com)- The occupation of a remote wildlife refuge turned violent yesterday when federal agents stopped two vehicles carrying protesters to a town hall meeting in John Day, Oregon.

Victoria Sharp, a passenger in one of those vehicles, has reported that federal agents opened fire on the group without provocation after conflicting and confusing demands for the protesters to surrender.

Sharp reported that shots were first fired at Ryan Payne as he complied with orders to show his hands out of the window of the vehicle in which she was riding, but that the shots missed. Payne was calling for police to not shoot, as there were women in the vehicle, and exited the vehicle, asking that the women be allowed out.

At this point, LaVoy Finicum, one of the spokesmen for the occupiers, who was driving the vehicle in which Ms. Sharp was riding, yelled out the window that they were going to go talk to the sheriff (at the meeting in John Day), or that agents could just shoot him. He told the passengers to get down, and drove forward, precipitating heavy gunfire from the agents, and crashing the vehicle into a snowbank.

Sharp said that Finicum then exited the vehicle, hands in the air, yelling, “Just shoot me then!” A volley of shots rang out, and Finicum fell to his back, hands still over his head, and was shot several more times on the ground, Sharp said.

According to Sharp, agents continued shooting at the car, striking Ryan Bundy in the shoulder as he shielded her on the floorboard, and deploying tear gas before finally taking the rest of the group into custody. She also claims that none of the protesters fired a shot or even touched a gun during the encounter.

The full audio of Victoria Sharp’s account is posted on YouTube, and comes across as very credible.

Listen to Victoria Sharp’s testimony:

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Another report suggested that Finicum “charged” at police after exiting the vehicle but does not dispute the claim that his hands were in the air. Cliven Bundy, father of Ammon and Ryan Bundy, leaders of the occupation who were both taken into custody during the incident, has further charged that, not only were Finicum's hands in the air, but he was not armed at the time.

In interviews during the occupation protest, Finicum, a soft-spoken rancher and father of 11 from Arizona, had insisted that he would rather be killed than “put in a cement box” prison. He said that some things were more important than life, and that freedom was one of those things.

The occupation was initiated in protest of the re-incarceration of a pair of Oregon ranchers who had been convicted of terrorism for starting two controlled burns on their graze lands back in 2001 and 2005. The ranchers, father and son Dwight and Steven Hammond, were initially sentenced to, and served short sentences and fined $400,000 for their actions, but a federal appeals court later concluded that the judge in the case had improperly waived a five-year minimum sentence for the charges, and the two were resentenced to that minimum and ordered to return to prison.

I reported on the Hammond case and the resulting protests a few weeks ago in this column, pointing out that the stated objective of the protest was being lost in the news coverage of the protest itself. Ammon Bundy and his compatriots appeared to be more interested in generating a confrontation with federal authorities than in drawing attention to the Hammonds and the abusive practices of federal agencies that led to their plight.

The death of LaVoy Finicum is a needless tragedy.

Federal authorities had wisely been taking a hands-off approach to the occupation, denying Bundy and his friends the opportunity for the tense stand-off they seemed to be seeking. Unfortunately, politicians like Oregon's Democrat Gov. Kate Brown, took the occupation as a personal affront and were calling for law enforcement to take more aggressive action to put a stop to the flagrant defiance of federal authority. The result is a martyr for the fringe and escalation of the situation from a nuisance to a volatile and dangerous level.

The strategy was clearly to “remove the head of the snake” by capturing the leaders of the occupation, but what if those leaders were the cooler heads that were keeping the protest calm and peaceful?

With the death of Finicum, in circumstances that some are calling murder, a fuse has been lit, and unless authorities can and do quickly produce evidence that their actions were clearly justified, this could blow up in a very ugly way. And it all could have been easily avoided.

Realistically, what harm were the protesters doing? They were occupying buildings of a remote wildlife refuge in a sparsely populated area of the country in the dead of winter. They were making no threats, harming no one, and getting less and less attention from an unsympathetic media. They were not supported by any national or state militia organizations, and their whole agenda had pretty well fizzled.

I wish Ammon Bundy had taken my advice, negotiated a peaceful end to the situation and sent his supporters home to their families weeks ago. That didn't happen, and what happens next is anyone's guess. The remaining occupiers must be concerned about what might happen to them if they try to leave, especially in light of the death of Finicum, and by setting up roadblocks and checkpoints, authorities have now committed manpower and resources to potentially long, cold, uncomfortable duty that can't help but engender deeper frustration and resentment between police and occupiers. Any trust that might have developed is completely out the window. Worse, the bloodshed may provoke other groups to step in and escalate the mess even further.

Perhaps this week's arrests will bring this whole thing to a close, but I fear that it is more likely signaling the beginning of something much worse than protesters occupying a wilderness outpost.

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  • 53 thoughts on “Hands Up, Just Shoot! Claims Witness To Oregon Protester Killing

    1. I can’t believe all this nonsense about conspiracy to commit murder. BS ! The Feds came up with a plan to get these morons out of the compound and it worked. What made it work was that Bundy and the rest of the idiots fell for it. Finicum had his hands up for a second then reached for his weapon ! Conspiracy ?… No way !

    2. Now Ammon Bundy is pleading with the remaining people in the compound to ‘turn themselves in’ ?!? He said let the constitution and the courts decide the issue ! Ammon Bundy is a complete idiot and the people who followed him must be short brained. All Bundy has done is get a man killed,his brother wounded,and the rest will be convicted and do a long prison stretch. All of these fools will be convicted felons,lose their right to own firearms,vote,etc. ! I hope they made there point,whatever that was !

    3. Leonitus,,,, I agree with you the video is very good witness a conspiracy to commit murder. VERY,VERY BAD Leadership. The buck stops with them and I believe that there is more to this than anyone knows. PS the BLM violated their own Charter…by trying to own the land that they are just custodians of. Selling the land and prohibiting use of the land by the owners WE THE PEOPLE is fraud and a felony, but is there anyone to stand up for the people… only citizens who protest???? When are Americans going to act like Americans???

    4. After seeing this video, got to tell ya folks, he got tuned up for doing all the wrong things. Trying to run the LEO block; damn near hitting a LEO, then hands up and then going for his jacket–they had little choice. Although as might the Secret Service, I wish to hell these guys would shoot for legs (just as big a target as the body) and incapacitating as hell–then if fight continues finish the fight. But look, if you want to resist arrest you have two decision points: To comply with the orders OR to fight it to the death, because that is what the LEOs MUST think you are going to do in your resistance and they will react accordingly to the threat. He choose wrong and for his family it is a damn sad thing…

    5. Sounds to me like we have a lot of UN-American men out there out there that support the criminal government acts out there. Anytime the LAW ENFORCEMENT takes action that does not comply the Constitution and the bill Of Rights then it is is a Criminal Act and must be judged by the Courts ( the peoples representatives ) but I don”t think that will happen because corrupt government officials will basically ignore the event. This event screams for the justice system to work. Many of you are against this demonstration but forget that this country exists because of of just such an event against the British and men were ready to die for for those principles against the existing government. So when I see anyone here on this form supporting the government in an unlawful act I get the feeling that they are the kind that Marines call “Pantie Waist” or “short skirts.” in other words “No American gumption” The Country would be more like old Germany during WWII if we did not have people willing to stop illegal government actions. If you condone what the government in this event then consider yourself that you better look at your reasons, “selfish, don”t rock the boat, fear of the government, think that the government always is right, has the ownership of everything in America” then I would say you are a POOR AMERICAN and in any fight for justice and someone that I could never trust or want by my side protecting Life, Limb or country. If you believe in GOD then this was an unlawful government act. Arguments among citizens should not include guns but sometimes it is necessary because one side thinks they are better than the other. Think about this using the Constitution and Bill of Rights and not any other law you will find that they killed an American in a criminal act. The ones who did the shooting are YOUR and Americas enemies. If you don”t resist unlawful murder then you become the victim just like the Jews in WWII. it can happen.

    6. just watched the heavily redacted NSA drone footage of the shooting. First it proves that it was no mear traffic stop as advertised but more of an ambush. second, the dude did drop his hands but only after the cop in front of him waved for him to do so with his riffle. Third, the cop behind him fired first, shooting him in the back, the others followed. Forth, the militiamen never got off a shot contrary to what the FBI told the media.

    7. It’s a shame there’s no audio. The fact that Finicum reaches for his gun then pulls his hand back then reaches again could be an indication that he was getting conflicting orders from the cops. I’ve read that that’s what happened. No conspiracy just incompetence.

    8. The Bubba Effect has its Bubba.

      The earlier videos where people said he was “Charging” or Waving a Gun were obviously lies and his hands were up, at least at first, some of the FBI Stories don’t match their own Drone Video in that respect. Whatever footage the Helicopter caught might show something different. They may very well have fired on the truck before it ran off the road.

      He was reaching for his gun, so you can’t fault the agent who fired the final shots, but the circumstance leading to that were altogether unjust from square one.

      He knew he would be dead before he got that gun out, but he was clearly willing to die for his cause.

    9. The shooting video has been released by the Feds. You pilgrims that say Finicum was murdered by the Feds will change your minds ! Finicum tried to go around the roadblock almost taking out a fed. Finicum jumped out of the truck with his hands up then reached into his coat pocket to pull a weapon. A fed appears from the tree line and takes out Finicum?

    10. Wasn’t there something in the Obama’s inauguration speech about defending this country from enemies foreign and domestic? Now he wants to welcome our enemies in because he doesn’t want to fix the problem in syria.
      I would think that would make him impeachable bye him being a terrorist. Everyone knows what the refugees have been doing in Europe so he can’t claim ignorance.

    11. The gun carrying citizens of Oregon should have surrounded the federalies, disarmed them then jailed them. Its time to take back our country. They should be tried for murder just like you and I would be if we had committed such an act. This is a perfect reason we need to unit 38 states or more to pass the Convention of States. To finally get the federalies out of our back pocket and out of our lives.

    12. I’m not racist by all means but if these folks were black or Mexican all you people saying he got what he deserved would be singing a diffrenent tune. Wouldn’t you?

    13. This site has progressed from a forum where opposing points of view could be exchanged to one where conspiracy nuts rule the day. Not one mention of the other side of this story that Finicum was reaching into his waistband when he was shot. Who here really thinks these guys were unarmed? The already stated that they were willing to die for thair beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with the crazy theories is branded a un-American. We do not live in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. We are still free to do as we please — work, pray to whatever man in the sky we want, travel, work, etc. No one has tried to take anything from me, ever. Who here can honestly claim (with evidence) that the federal government has taken anything (other than taxes) from you?

    14. The Law makes many mistakes and one of them is taking your land (public lands) away fro you and selling it for money they keep, even worse is killing citizens over it. A good American needs to stand up for what is right and sometimes die for it, that is what our military do out of this country, Do you think that the law will stand up for you…GOOD LUCK…,these people were not in this for selfish reasons, listen to what they said, They were protesting injustice. You can look at this from 4 different views, all true to different degree but from their voices I can tell that many of you have a very selfish voice about this. They are ready to die for an American principle of justice. Look in the mirror try to think like an American and come up with 4 reasons why you feel like you do. This old Marine still values HONOR, COURAGE and COMMITMENT*****just watched / listened to the video of the shooting. This was an example of the quality of really untrained and cowered actions that many law enforcement take. One of my sons was in Law enforcement for many years and was trained to use common sense and honorable actions at all times. This event was a case of legalized murder, but those who shot this unarmed man that showed them no threat, should all be charged with murder in the 1st degree. Their action showed that the officers were already prepared to kill with extreme predigest screams the worst and as low as any law enforcement can get. the shame they bring on themselves will now undoubtedly be transferred to good officers. That is a shame.and an injustice to those good officers. My personal opinion is that these officers were instructed to kill. Videos and witnesses prove that these men are far from being a good Americans. I see them as scared and brutal murders. It is also evident that there were NO rules of engagement, incompetent leadership. They broke so many values of the constitution and moral values that I consider them as domestic terrorist and should also be charged as such. The ones responsible for this event falls on the leadership of the law enforcement present. I would charge those managers of the government with causing this event and should be held responsible for any damage and deaths. I would like to ask the FBI if they really think this was the American way to resolve a citizens protest. This was more like a Nazi elimination reaction against fellow citizens. The problem is leadership gone very bad.

    15. Super G – Why couldn’t the FBI use tasers, bean bag rounds, batons, tackle the guy, or whatever. Lethal force was deliberate and calculated. And if true, why were the feds peppering the car too? FBI motto: kill first, ask questions later.

    16. Gerald Brookman and Jamie – First, comparing these ranchers to ISIS or Al Qaeda terrorists who kill anyone that doesn’t follow their belief system is ridiculous. These ranchers were trying to bring attention to the over reach of our government and the unjust imprisoning of fellow ranchers. These buildings were unoccupied and remote, so what harm was being done? Why was Oregon’s governor so anxious to have the FBI attack? Why would they block the road for such a long distance? Could it be that they didn’t want any reporters hiking in and witnessing the assassination? Are you both going to still be so pro-government when they come to confiscate your families land or your bank account or 401k?

    17. According to the driver of one of the stopped vehicles, Finicum charged the officers and was shot, thus committing suicide by cop. He isn’t a martyr, just an idiot who wanted to break the law with impunity.

    18. While the subject of who should not own land (Govt) and charge B.S. grazing fees, and determine who can step foot on a piece of property is all legit, along with of course all the other overreach that must change, the fact is these people stole personal records of our fellow americans, albeit govt. employees, harassed the local population, followed the cops around brandishing weapons, etc. If some people did this in your community would you be happy? Are they domestic terrorists? By definition, who knows. Did any of them commit crimes? Yes. Theft of personal records is a crime. B/E is also. Did law enforcement handle this right? NO. They should have been arrested for unlawful entry and records theft and they could have probably put this to bed early. Authorities cowering in fear of another Waco type incident is no excuse not to do your job, let it get out of control and have to do an off-site takedown. Another person involved in the incident has posted a Utube about what he said went down and it conflicts with Mrs. Sharps account. Worth a watch. Just my opinion, but it seems there is of blame to go around here. The local law, mayor, county officials, state officials, governor, FBI, the men and women who committed any actual crimes, the followers who have been asked by their own side to stand down, and the locals who let people come in and push them around on their ground Your Fellow Patriot In Arms, Gary

    19. “The death of LaVoy Finicum is a needless tragedy.”

      NO! It was a CRIMINALLY instigated GOVERNMENT based tragedy.

      Lavoy Finicum was the first soldier and HERO to be SACRIFICED in the new American war for freedom.
      In recent years shooting UNARMED men seems to be the norm.
      This was an AMBUSH by honor-less government stooges. People who fire first and others who just start shooting in a fear based rage because they heard their first person shoot. Meanwhile unarmed passengers screamed “Don’t shoot” and if there had been no roof I am quite sure the FBI PUSSIES would have killed them all so there would be no living witnesses. I wonder how many actually reloaded after emptying their magazines?

      So I must ask the question, “Is it appropriate to shoot a man who is unarmed and yelling. “Shoot me!” ??? What is the definition of insanity? The person sarcastically yelling or the fools doing the shooting? Oh and what is the importance od shooting a man on the ground with his arms over his heas and not weapon on his person????

      NO HONOR AMONG OBAMITE FBI PUSSIES….

    20. We will probably never know the truth. You cannot believe either side. I do know that cops are over zealous. A lot of them cannot wait to shot or beat the crap out of someone. I know one cop in particular that has expressed this to me. These cops were on high alert since they knew these suspects had weapons. But the cops have their little fraternity and the rest of the judicial system to cover their actions. I have firsthand experience how this works. Railroaded by the system.

    21. I absolutely guarantee you-this was video tapped by the LEOs on site. So legal types should immediately try to subpoena those tapes before they get lost. The full Waco event early on with first shootout was taped and shown a few times on TV before it became greatly censored, is now nearly impossible to locate. The news bites we now see show just a few favorable to the Gov. at the site–like the guy on the roof by the window–he was shown actually to shot by his own man inside right after the guy on the roof fragged his partner (who just entered) with a flash crash grenade!

      GET THE VIDEOS OF THE STOP AND ACTIONS TAKEN–then and ONLY then all of us will see the truth of events!

    22. its plain as day, it was a pre meditated ambush..they sent in a mole who set this whole thing up under the false pretense of speaking at a town meeting…their only crime was occupying an empty building in the middle of no where in the dead of winter..

    23. Hey Jamie, if they are our public buildings, why wouldn’t these ranchers be allowed to occupy them? There is nothing public about BLM land. It was confiscated by an increasingly tyrannical government for their own desires and paid for by the very people that are restricted from using it. Were you chanting death to the black lives matter rioters or occupy rioters?

    24. @The Rifleman:
      “Sad and unfortunate as all of this is, I think the moral of the story here is if you take a stand against law enforcement, even if you are in your rights, you are literally committing suicide, and you can bet none of these guys are going to lose any sleep over killing you. In fact, they will be rewarded with “paid administrative leave” and maybe even be presented with a “bravery reward!” Go figure…”

      The moral is that the Police (State) / “Law” EnForcement have attained way to much power via we the peoples mass willful ignorance of and the Federal Manufactured Fear of the Boogie Man.

      We don’t have Peace Officers or anything close anymore – We have an OCCUPYING FORCE who have adopted the name of Police and will follow any order given to them – ANY ORDER. And have no honor to the supposed Oath that they swore too – let alone understand what it means – They all claim to uphold the Constitution, yet if you claim anything under the constitution, then YOU are the Terrorist and are treated as such. HIGH 5!

      City Cops, Sheriffs, and STATE Cops have all sworn the same – Uphold the Constitution – Yet daily violate that oath by upholding UN Constitutional STATE Gun Laws and assisting the Feds do the same.

      So we are supposed to fear standing up to “Law” enforcement? Well then we are truly F*CKED in this country as they are the front line goons for the rest of the Corrupt Cronies. That’s who they truly “Serve and Protect”.

      The only Good Cops are those that have quite because of all the corruption. Those who stay on the FORCE are all apart of the problem.

      F*UCK Cops.

    25. Reply to Jamie: I agree. And I saw another account, on UTube, from the driver of the other vehicle (not law enforcement, but the “occupiers”) that disputes the account above of how it occurred. It would appear that not only ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. have fanatics who want to be martyrs, so does the anti-Federal movement.

    26. RDNK, Although I agree with how you feel, I can’t say that “he got his wish.” We would have to first walk a mile in his shoes to see if we can understand where his coming from on this. I think he was standing up for something that he truly believed in, and unfortunately, it cost him his life. He said that he would rather be killed than do time in jail. I think perhaps one would have to do time in jail or prison to make that determination. Meaning.. maybe death would be considered a blessing in comparison. Here again, not necessarily a “wish to die” but moreover the cost he paid for standing against the government for something he believed in.

      Sad and unfortunate as all of this is, I think the moral of the story here is if you take a stand against law enforcement, even if you are in your rights, you are literally committing suicide, and you can bet none of these guys are going to lose any sleep over killing you. In fact, they will be rewarded with “paid administrative leave” and maybe even be presented with a “bravery reward!” Go figure…

      The problems I have with this is that they had many other options available to them to restrain him, other than shooting this guy to death, (and repeatedly!) This guy had his hands up in the air, both when he got out of the vehicle, and as he fell to the ground from being shot. He was down for the count then, not moving anymore, and no threat to anyone, yet they continued firing shots into his probably dead body. Why did they stop at that? They could have at least to have the decency to cremate him on the spot, and then scatter his ashes (just in case!)

    27. For some reason, I may be wrong, but I remember being taught in junior high that according to our Constitution we were INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty and that means that “law” enforcement should make every effort to refrain from being Judge, jury and executioner. Yes, Jeff, I agree…this may have lit a fuse. ESPECIALLY if everything that is being said about Finicum is the truth.

    28. I can only say this is bad.Congress needs to reconsider the government owning the majority of land in many states.Some cases it was farm land taken a century ago..Would it be better farmers owning it again and paying taxes on it instead of we the people that will mostly never see it having to support it..maybe better to pay on the national debt..

    29. TRAGEDY! BS! MURDER, MURDER, MURDER. The HWY 365 was closed for 60 miles [ no whiteness allowed ] The Clintons are involved to THEIR Eye Balls. Clinton Foundation, and the Agenda-21, they use the BLM , The Department Of Interior, to Corrupt the local and state governments and use the BLM as Mob Enforcers to get the Ranchers. Clinton foundation and Uranium 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzMKdJgnxGM Dots getting connected on Judge Grasty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrSz9xHYW1w BLM burning brush, ranch house and cattle alive, and indanger other ranchers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeeclad8G3E&feature=em-share_video_user Various training manual info for BLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rX8guPi0oU A view of REAL America!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gx04MkFEnQ The two cars need to be taken by the STATE police and entered as evidence as a Capitol Murder Investigation. Hope they are not misplaced. Happy Birthday LaVoy, your loss, to many, a painful awakening. To most, I suspect, not a big deal.

    30. This is a case where the feds were being ridiculed for not doing something so they just pulled a Waco and killed to make themselves look good. With the blessing of the white house and the useless AG. They don’t care if they violate rights, just like at Waco.

    31. This could very well be a situation where the incompetence of panicked LEOs is to blame.

      Let’s not let the standoff distract us from the very real problems caused by federal control of so much land in many western states. The feds need to give up that land & shut doen the BLM.

    32. Remember Tymothy McVeigh…he took revenge for the feds massacre of men, women, and children as BTAF/FBI agents raided the Davidian compound in Waco, Texas…It wouldn’t surprise me if something related to this fed ambush and the killing an unarmed rancher with his hands in the air will be carried out by another lone revenge seeker…”Hands Up Don’t Shoot” can now be the rallying cry of white folks as well as blacks.

    33. How did that poem go? Now I remember. “And, once, where those embittered farmers stood, and fired the shot heard round the world.”

      Or, as Thomas Jefferson opined. “The tree of liberty must from time to time be nourished with the blood of patriots as well as tyrants.”

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