Don’t Count on Cruz ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Controversy to Just Go Away

By David Codrea

What's the difference? [Graphic by Alan Korwin]
What's the difference? [Graphic by Alan Korwin]
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USA –  -(Ammoland.com)-  With Ted Cruz taking a substantial polling lead in Wisconsin, Donald Trump’s chances of amassing enough delegates to clinch the party's presidential nomination in advance of the RNC Convention are becoming increasingly problematic.

Substantial numbers of self-identified conservatives are rallying behind Cruz, as are some prominent “establishment” GOP types who have previously been hostile to the Texas senator, but who are now desperate to keep Trump from winning.

Significantly, due to his excellent record on the right to keep and bear arms, Gun Owners of America has given Cruz its enthusiastic support.

Two major issues now face him, either one of which could derail Cruz's candidacy: Unfolding allegations of marital infidelity, especially now that he is enjoying a considerable polling advantage with Republican women in Wisconsin, and the fact that he was born in Canada and, until recently, held dual citizenship. The Constitution requires the president to be a “natural born Citizen,” albeit it doesn’t go into detail on what that means.

The controversy has not been dying down, even though presumptive legal challenges to date have resulted in judgments favoring Cruz’s eligibility. Those on both sides of the issue can come up with legal arguments that seem compelling depending on the predisposition of those hearing them. Being neither legal scholars nor historians, many have arrived at their beliefs based on what they want, or on faith in those making the arguments.

We may not have heard the last word from the courts either, leaving open the question of what Republicans will do if Cruz wins the nomination and his eligibility is challenged by the Democrats. While some conservatives argue they wouldn’t dare, because that would open the door to resurrecting questions about Obama, that contention is more a matter of opinion than anything else. The prize is the one that lies ahead, not behind, and people who crave power will dare much.

One gun rights advocate who has put himself out there, risking the ire of die-hard Cruz supporters, is prolific author and activist Alan Korwin.

Should We Elect an American President?” he asks in a detailed article with source citations subtitled “The ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Issue Explained.’

“It’s not a court issue,” he maintains. “[T]he Founders defined it—we’ve just forgotten.”

Korwin’s conclusion?

The Founders wanted and specified a totally American president: two citizen parents and born here. It is documented beyond reproach in the historical record.

The thing is, saying it’s not a court issue doesn’t mean it won’t end up there. But before it does, there’s something only Ted Cruz can do that could potentially change the legal opinions of those who are currently on record backing his eligibility. Per The North American Law Center:

At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access. All citizenship records for Ted Cruz are sealed unless and until Ted Cruz agrees to allow any such records to be released by either U.S. or Canadian agencies.

This is the point where a lot of angry objections could be raised that really do nothing more than question motives or attempt to kill the messenger. Those interested in the truth, whichever way it shakes out, will recognize those for what they are: distractions.

The question that matters: Is that true? Has Cruz sealed records, and might they contain information that could change supporter’s opinions?

The only one who can answer that, and do it now, before everything blows up in the faces of his supporters, is Ted Cruz. He should release all documents that could shed light without delay. If he’s certain of his legal position, why wouldn’t he?

Not doing so will only lead to speculation that they would reveal considerations that could make rulings go the other way.  Besides, he owes full disclosure on this to everyone supporting and pinning their hopes on him, as well as to all Americans.

True, nothing he does will alter any of the arguments Korwin makes. But it can show if those who argue in Cruz’s favor have based their premises on the totality of what the documents reveal.

In a nutshell: Assume you're an employer with a job opening. You ask a candidate for documentation on background information needed to meet required hiring qualifications. He refuses to produce it, and ignores or deflects when you press.

How do you hire him without violating mandatory policy, which in this case, would be the Constitution?

David Codrea in his natural habitat.

About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and also posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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    Wild Bill
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    I had a lovely and relaxing ride. It is like being part of the wind. John C. Freemont is an irrelevant red herring. We have our own Consititution and statues now. English common law is just an irrelevant red herring. The U.S. recognizes dual citizenship, so even if what you say is true about the former presidents, it is still a red herring. Odd how my Blacks, 5th ed. does not have NBC, but even if it did, that definition would not be controlling. Another red herring. Dicta from twenty appeals cases none on all fours, how …unimpressive. I think… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: ” Dr. Franklins reference book definition,,,” Answer: By that you mean Vattel. Well, yes, we know that Franklin and others did read Vattel. But then they read a lot of other books too—-including Blackstone, of course, and Blackstone said that every child born on the soil is Natural Born. Moreover, Vattel recommended several things that the US Constitution did not adopt, like a class of nobles and a state religion, and Vattel is not even mentioned ONCE in the Federalist Papers, while the common law is mentioned about 15 times, and always with praise. In short, the Wong Kim… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Dear Mr. Strauss, None of these cases are on all fours. You know what dicta is, right? Fred Thompson, English common law precedent applied to us, the CRS, not convincing. Do you have a S. Ct case where the presidency was the issue in controversy, and the issue was determined by Article II, sect. 5? What word did you look up in Blacks? I really don’t want to investigated all the almost relevant stuff that you come up with because it takes too long, does not pan out, and I really do have other things that I have to do.… Read more »

    SMRSTRAUSS
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    Re: ” Do you have a S. Ct case where the presidency was the issue in controversy, and the issue was determined by Article II, sect. 5?” Answer: No, of course not. If there had been such a case, we’d all be quoting it. But when there isn’t a Supreme Court case on an issue, the rational thing is to check the appeals court cases, which ALL have ruled against the “you gotta have two citizen parents” idea. And that in fact is some TWENTY cases, of which I have quotations from some of them. Just as importantly, in ONE… Read more »

    Lou
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    Questions: Has Cruz ever held a Canadian Passport? Has Cruz ever paid taxes in Canada? Has Cruz ever held a Canadian Driver’s License? Has Cruz ever held a Canadian Medical Card? Has Cruz ever served in the Canadian Military? Has Cruz ever filled out any document stating that he is a Canadian Citizen? (unlike Obama who stated on several application forms that he was born in Kenya). I think that you’ll quickly discover that Prince Hashim, has engaged in all of the above where it relates to Jordan. Natural Born Citizen? What a poor choice of words for such an… Read more »

    russn8r
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    russn8r

    Have YOU bothered to read Korwin’s article and the articles it sources? Or are we supposed to do it for you?

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    Re Korwin’s article. It says: “The Founders wanted and specified a totally American president: two citizen parents and born here. It is documented beyond reproach in the historical record.” HOWEVER, that is total baloney. The founders (actually, the writers of the US Constitution are known as THE FRAMERS) did not say any such thing, and they easily could have in the Federalist Papers or in other writings, but they did not say anything like it AT ALL. And they had two friends, the legal scholars Tucker and Rawle, and both of them used the term Natural Born Citizen exactly the… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    You’re prevaricating, evading and smokescreening again. For example, note that *I* objected, and so has Ann Coulter and others, but even if we hadn’t, it doesn’t legitimize Comrade Hussein or Ted Cruz. I did not delegate my rights to Ed Meese, nor did I give him the power to represent me. And your hero Chief “Justice” John Obamacare Roberts obviously doesn’t either doesn’t give a crap about the Constitution or doesn’t know it as well as you think he does. He’s about as honest and principled as you are. You’re also evading J. Neil Schulman’s observation: “Within the past two… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    Re: “Find me any of the framers of the Constitution who would not have considered that a disqualification for President of the United States.” The answer to that is easy—-ALL of them. It’s simple, if they had wanted to make a person who had at one time been a dual citizen and hence was in that part a subject of a foreign monarch not eligible THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, but they didn’t. Not one of them. In fact, we have had several dual citizens as president, including James Madison, who was made a full voting citizen of France during… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Your own quote is “Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …” Well, Soetoro (aka Obama) and Cruz were both born abroad of the United States, so doesn’t that make it much less certain that they are NBCs eligible to serve as President? Nor were Barry or Ted born within the with in the U.S. and that seems to work against your argument , too. I think that the Chief Justice swore in Barry Soetoro because the CJ didn’t have any choice. Refusing to swear… Read more »

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    Ok, Wong Kim Ark v. US: “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature with which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all CHILDREN BORN IN A COUNTRY OF PARENTS WHO WERE ITS CITIZENS became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” This does not help your argument. Barry and Ted were not BORN IN A COUNTRY OF PARENTS WHO WERE ITS CITIZENS. On to… Read more »

    SMRSTRAUSS
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    Re: “Well, Soetoro (aka Obama) and Cruz were both born abroad…” Actually, Obama (and his name really is Obama) was born IN HAWAII. Obama really was born in Hawaii, as shown by his HAWAII birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii). Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    Re: WKA “quote.” (That is from the Minor v. Happersett decision, which was before the Wong Kim Ark ruling, and later rulings supersede earlier ones). Here is that the Wong Kim Ark ruling REALLY said: “All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion that this… Read more »

    John
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    doesn’t everyone want to know why Ted had his Mother’s records sealed. Two reason he Mom voted in Canadian which means she gave up her US citizenship to vote there. The main reason they are sealed because when Ted was born He couldn’t be American and Canadian Canada didn’t allow dual citizenship for more than 7 years after his birth. His parents declared him a Canadian citizen so they wouldn’t have to leave Canada

    J. Neil Schulman
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    Within the past two years Ted Cruz, a Harvard-educated lawyer, was knowingly a subject of a foreign monarch, Queen Elizabeth II. Find me any of the framers of the Constitution who would not have considered that a disqualification for President of the United States.

    smrstrauss
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    McCain was born on the US Naval Base in the US Canal Zone. The story that he was born in Panama itself is a lie and a FORGED birth certificate posted by a McCain enemy (probably a Democrat). Re: ” Obama had only one citizen parent, not the required two, plus he was adopted by his Indonesian step father, making him an Indonesian citizen.” Answer: Obama was never adopted and never became an Indonesian citizen as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm (Call during office hours, of course). Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen even… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Bzzzzz. Wrong and subversive. Meese, Reagan, and Heritage notwithstanding. “Heritage” also urged George the Elder to decree a federal “assault weapon” import ban, which immediately led to California’s Assault Weapon ban, followed by the federal ban, the New Jersey ban, etc. So what? I have not given Heritage, Meese, McCain (R – Mexico), Paul RYNO, Mitt RomneyCare, Glen Beck, Newt Gingrich, Huckleberry, Santorum, The Pauls, Sarah P, or anyone else permission to represent me, betray my heritage or “interpret” the Constitution on my behalf. Nor did I give treasonous Supreme Court “justices” permission to bind the country to bad faith… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    NO they did not follow Vattel’s Law of Nations. It was not even mentioned ONCE in the Federalist Papers. Not even once, while the common law was mentioned about 15 times and Blackstone five times. The term really does come from THE COMMON LAW. In short, the Heritage Foundation book is right, and you are WRONG. “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    Since when is the Federalist the sole source of background? Does it raise the Natural Born Citizenship issue? No. You left that little part out, boyo. Nice try.

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    If the Federalist Papers does not mention Vattel, and NO member of the Constitutional Convention mentioned Vattel, and Tucker and Rawle and the Lynch v. Clarke case all used the term Natural Born Citizen the way that the common law did, and that is what the US Supreme Court said in the Wong Kim Ark ruling, then, to use your own phrase “Since when” is the speculation of BIRTHERS that Vattel was used evidence that it was? NO, it wasn’t. It was the common law, which was, duh, COMMON, and if the writers of the Constitution had switched from the… Read more »

    smrstrauss1
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    Vattel was not even mentioned ONCE in the Federalist Papers, while the common law was mentioned about 15 times and Blackstone five times. In short, the Heritage Foundation and Tucker and Rawle (who KNEW the writers of the US Constitution) were right, the term really does come from THE COMMON LAW, and in the Common Law every child born on the soil of the country is Natural Born, which is why the chief justice of the USA swore in Obama, and John McCain and Mitt Romney and the Republican Party did not object.

    Pat Hines
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    John MeCain and Barrack Obama were NOT eligible to be president of the US for precisely the same reason Ted Cruz is not eligible. McCain was not born in the Canal Zone, then a US protectorate, he was born in Panama itself making him a citizen of Panama. Obama had only one citizen parent, not the required two, plus he was adopted by his Indonesian step father, making him an Indonesian citizen.

    Everyone should also know that at one time, the US government was much more rigid about citizenship, automatically rescinding it if you accepted citizenship in another country.

    Naturalist
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    If the maoscumunist who’s citizenship is more questionable is in the oval mosque, than there is no reason why Cruz, who never attended a madrasis or an American college on a foreign grant, who is much more qualified for the position and is more of an American should not be eligible for the position. The Rule has already been swept under the rug.

    Bruce
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    Bruce

    The princes mom lost her citizenship… there is a difference

    CountryBoy
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    CountryBoy

    And how many years has Prince Hashim of Jordan LIVED in America ???

    Article II Section 1 states — ” been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

    JohnC
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    You know guys, all this dither over one’s “Natural Born” citizenship could be boiled down to the fact that only American Natives are Natural Born.

    carlosperdue
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    carlosperdue

    Nice PC reply. Idiotic, but PC

    sickof the BS
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    It iukdnt matter if he pulled an Obama and refuses to release his records. Can you refuse to release tax statements to the IRS. As a point of constitutional correctness if I may, for any office of leadership you are to be PROVEN a citizen. Obama completely circumvented the system and on political correctness and fear of being called a racist the republican party raised no voice. I hate the SOB but everyone who failed to force the subject are also sharing in his blood guilt. Will it happen again with Cruz? Why are we not marching on the Whitehouse… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: ” As a point of constitutional correctness if I may, for any office of leadership you are to be PROVEN a citizen. Obama completely circumvented the system…” Answer: Obama showed BOTH his short form and his long form birth certificate from Hawaii. BOTH of them. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them both to him and that ALL the facts on the copies that were published are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him. And Obama’s birth in Hawaii has also been confirmed by (1) the public Index Data… Read more »

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    I don’t know whether President Obama was born in Hawaii or elsewhere. I don’t know whether he is a citizen or not. The answer to both those questions lies outside my area of expertise. What I do know is that his Birth Certificate as made available at WhiteHouse.gov is a forgery, and not a very convincing one. All you need to do to verify this is download the birth certificate, open it in Adobe Illustrator, and notice that the pdf has been composed out of layer after layer of imbedded images. That doesn’t happen with a scan. It only happens… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “What I do know is that his Birth Certificate….is a forgery.” Answer: No, you do not know that at all. You THINK it. And you think it because of the layers. But, what you do not know is that layers are NORMAL when a complex document is scanned, compressed and put into PDF and then that file is opened in Adobe Illustrator. Birther sites did not tell you that . They led you to believe that layers were not normal—but they are. That is how PDF works. (Did you think that it made a flat file like JPG?) There… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    BZZZZZ. Wrong. Yes, he does know it’s a forgery.

    What your hysterical smokescreen obscures is that if the cert were real, Obama could’ve released a pure image of it without the layers and manipulation. Only reason he wouldn’t is that he couldn’t. You don’t have to be a “birther” to get that. Just rational and honest.

    Phony conservatives like you are why this country is going down the tubes.

    Swill
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    No, I know it. I made no claims as to where Obama was born or whether he is or isn’t a citizen. Stick to the document only. As far as what I’ve said everything else in your reply is irrelevant. How on earth does a scan generate layers? Let alone layers of different densities with different artifacts? Please explain. Here’s what I did. I downloaded the Birth Certificate. Changed it to a bit map image. Scanned it. Opened it as a pdf, and guess what? No layers. Even if there is some “make layers” button on a some special text… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “Obama could’ve released a pure image of it without the layers and manipulation.” Answer: There was no manipulation at all, and layers are NORMAL when a complex document is scanned, compressed and put into PDF and then that file is opened in Adobe Illustrator. THAT’S all. Did you think that PDF did not use layers? Did you think that it produced flat files like JPG? Well, it doesn’t. Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers… Read more »

    Swill
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    Just tried it. And smrstrauss is wrong again. Put a complex DMV doc into the scanner, saved it as a pdf. Opened it in Illustrator and there were exactly 3 layers. Layer 1: Group, Layer 2: Image (the image as scanned with no hanky panky) Layer 3: Clipping. So smrstrauss is wrong again. Have you tried it smrstrauss? Did you get different results? Did you get names changed? Dates added? Serial numbers corrected? Do you even have Illustrator on your computer? If you do, please enlighten us as to the steps you took to get specific elements of information to… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    Of course, you’re still evading the issue. Obama could’ve released a pure image without any layers, IF the certificate was real.

    Swill
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    Swill

    Amen.

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “Of course, you’re still evading the issue. Obama could’ve released a pure image without any layers, IF the certificate was real.” Answer: It is real, and PDF uses layers, so he couldn’t. Once they decided to use PDF—which is normal in government–it would show layers. That’s all. There may be more layers or less depending on the complexity of the document. First it is on SECURITY PAPER, which makes it very complex to start, then it has both typed and printed text, which makes it even more complex, then it has hand written text in addition to the text,… Read more »

    Swill
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    What is up with you smrstrauss? Have a little intellectual curiosity. Stop reciting talking points. Dare to question authority and address the FACTS. Have you tried exactly what you are suggesting? I have. You don’t get random layers. You get exactly the layers I said. One for image. One for clipping path. One to group them both. I just tried it. You should do the same instead of believing people who know NOTHING about graphics, scans, or for that matter, forgery. Russn8r is exactly right. If you CAN send a jpg, gif or png, why on earth would you post… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Hi Swill:

    smrstrauss is a relentless prevaricating shill. Again he evades the issue with transparent BS and circular reasoning amounting to “it’s real therefore it’s real.”

    As you point out, there is no reason not to release a pure image in jpg, gif AND png format, IN addition to the PDF.

    “Once the decision had been made” and “usual in government” are irrelevant diversionary strawman.

    He is also lying about the PDF of course.

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “As you point out, there is no reason not to release a pure image in jpg, gif AND png format, IN addition to the PDF.” There are actually two reasons: (1) in government PDF is normal, and (2) unpaid interns make the copies and scan the images at the White House. So ,duh, they used the standard format, PDF, and nothing else. BIRTHERS, and birthers only, claim that because there are layers in PDF, the White House should have used something else. Well, maybe it should have, but the fact that it used the standard government format, PDF, proves… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “How on earth does a scan generate layers? Let alone layers of different densities with different artifacts?”

    As for the layers, the answer is simple. Because that is how PDF works, It represents complex images with LAYERS—but those layers are not visible by themselves. They ARE visible when the PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator.

    As for different densities and different artifacts, that has been answered by this:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

    Swill
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    You crack me up smrstrauss. You go along blithely ignoring the facts. I already told you I scanned a “complex” document per your instruction today. Have YOU TRIED IT? The doc I scanned had signatures, a rubber stamped serial number and typed info in required fields. I scanned it, converted to a PDF and guess what? There were three layers. Like always. The image, the clipping path and the two grouped. Just as you would suspect. There was NOTHING like the layers on the Obama Birth Certificate. I’m not a “birther.” I’m not arguing about where Obama was born or… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “I already told you I scanned a “complex” document per your instruction today.”

    And you admitted that it had layers. Why did it have layers? Because that is how PDF WORKS, and with documents that are even more complex than what you tried, there will be more layers. BTW, did you try to scan a document ON SECURITY PAPER???

    Other alleged anomalies are answered by this:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

    Swill
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    What is this? Arguing by channeling your inner child? Of course PDFs have layers. I already told you every scanned pdf will have 3 layers. Listen carefully now because I don’t want to repeat myself again. Layer 1 is the scanned image. Intact. No funny business. Layer 2 is the clipping path. Layer 3 is those two layers combined into a group. PLEASE try this before repeating the claptrap you’ve been pedaling. You OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about PDFs, Illustrator, scans or anything else about graphics work. Obama’s birth certificate has 9 main layers and many, many sub layers. If you… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    Re: “I already told you every scanned pdf will have 3 layers.” Answer: That is what you SAID, and maybe you really think it. But the truth of the matter is that some will have MORE than three layers, and you have not tried doing it with SECURITY PAPER, and so you do not know. Here is what the National Review said: “: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case.… Read more »

    Swill
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    Do you think just because National Review says something it’s automatically true? Did you try scanning something like it yourself? I did and got totally different results. You should try it, too. Then you might finally know what you’re talking about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjvGcF1ZHXU

    smrstrauss
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    Swill said: “Do you think just because National Review says something it’s automatically true?” Answer: Does any RATIONAL person think Do you think that just because Swill says something it’s automatically true? The facts are that the National Review has confirmed the findings of other experts, real experts (whom birther sites did not show their readers of course), that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. In contrast, birther sites have LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said, and posted three forged “Kenyan birth certificates” and a forged video and a forged “Columbia University student ID.” And they never… Read more »

    smrstrauss1
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    The National Review and numerous real document and software experts whom the birther sites will not show their readers (Now, I wonder why not?) all say that there is nothing wrong with Obama ‘s birth certificate and that layers are normal when a complex document is scanned, compressed and put into PDF and then that PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator. That fact is why Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Gingrich and Santorum and Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Michele Bachmann never questioned Obama’s birth certificate.

    Swill
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    Swill

    Other than exposing that PDFs have layers, which I already explained that in the above posts, what did National Review contribute to the facts of the argument? What have you contributed? I’ve repeatedly asked whether you tried to replicate the anomalies on Obama’s birth certificate yourself. You’ve repeatedly avoided answering.

    VERN RICE
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    OK, THIS IS HOW IT IS FOLKS. CRUZ’S FATHER= 100% CUBAN CRUZ’S MOTHER + !00% USA BORN NOW FOR THE RERAL NEWS. THEY MOVE TO CANADA. FATHER BECOMES A CANADIAN CITIZEN. MOTHER ALSO RENOUNCES HER USA CITENSHIP AND BECOMES A CANADIAN CITIZEN TO PLEASE DADDY. TED IS THEN BORN. TED IS THEN A CANADIAN CITIZEN, BECAUSE MOM NEVER WENT TO NEAREST EMBASSY AND REGISTERED TEDDY AS A IS CITIZEN. TEDDY MOVES TO TEXAS. TEDDY BEOMES A US SENATOR. (ILLEGALLY) THEN IN 2014 HE ALL OF SUDDEN RENOUNCES HIS CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP AND BECOMES A US CITIZEN. THAT ONLY GIVES HIM LESS… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Vern, this fact pattern is a little different than I have read before. If Ted “… DID HAVE ACTUALLY DUAL CITIZENSHIP FOR A WHILE WHEN GROWING UP, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS AN AMERICAN… ” as you say then that means someone made a decision regarding his status long ago and Ted got past the not registering part. It can’t be both ways. He couldn’t have been disqualified and a dual citizen, both.

    TEX
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    Where was all this citizenship scrutiny for Hussein Obama ?

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    Well Tex, maybe that scrutiny will come after BO is no longer controlling the Justice Dept.! Maybe BO should have bought a house on Bimini (that has no extradition treaty with the US) rather than in Hawaii!

    carlosperdue
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    carlosperdue

    What are you talking about? There were plenty of us scrutinizing it. Where were you?

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    Re: “Where was all this citizenship scrutiny for Hussein Obama ?” Answer: Hillary Clinton, John McCain and Mitt Romney ALL investigated the claim that Obama was born in a foreign country, and all found that there was nothing to that myth. Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been proven overwhelmingly. Not only has he shown both the short form and long form birth certificates of Hawaii, but the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a strong supporter of Sarah Palin’s) repeatedly confirmed that they had sent them to Obama and that every single fact on the… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    Try reading before replying. The birth cert issue is a red herring diversion. Obama’s father was not a citizen, therefore he is not a natural born citizen. One strike and you’re out. Nevertheless, the birth cert was clearly doctored. I sat down with unbiased Acrobat experts and looked at it with my own eyes. It’s manipulated and layered. Had it been legitimate, there would’ve been no reason not to re-release it in pure photographic or image format without manipulation and layers. You can see the manipulation yourself on youtube, download the “birth cert” and see the same thing on your… Read more »

    smrstrauss
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    smrstrauss

    There was no manipulation, and layers are NORMAL when a complex document is scanned, compressed and put into PDF. That is how PDF works. Did you think that it only uses one layer like JPG?

    hippybiker
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    hippybiker

    Tex, One Dr. Taitz Esq has been on Obama’s case for over 8 years. Look it up! She’s also on Cruz’s butt, as well.

    Bondmen
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    Bondmen

    What’s good for the goose (Barry Hussein) is good for the gander (Ted Cruz). Demoncraps have set some terrible precedents these past 7+ years and the problem with precedents is they persist. Assuming The Cruzer’s eligibility is adjudicated all the way to the SCOTUS, would in not now end in a 4 4 tie? If so then we get the feral government gridlock we need because history shows US operational government in District of Corruption always amounts to growing its power and consuming our private resources, trampling freedom and liberty reserved to We The People. Guns and ammo will become… Read more »

    Pete Hodgkins
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    Korwin is correct… Almost! If we are to view eligibility as defined BY the Founders, then neither Cruz, Rubio, or Obama are eligible. Not so much because of Jus soli (Law of Soil), but because of Jus sanguinis (Law of Blood) and Coverture, which was the legal doctrine at the time of the Founders’ creation of this government. The legally binding doctrine of coverture insisted that a married woman’s rights are subsumed by her husband. Thus, the HUSBAND’s status only was considered in a married union. The husband can be a naturalized citizen who would NOT be eligible, but,his children… Read more »

    HP
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    If you’re a U.S. Citizen, then you’re either “natural born”, meaning born a citizen, or you’re “naturalized”, meaning you were not born a citizen, but became one after birth through the naturalization process. As the author points out, it’s not really specified what “natural born” means, so does that mean you have to be born within the borders of America? If you’re born a U.S. Citizen outside of the U.S., you’re not “naturalized”. Ergo, you must be “natural born”. If not, there would need to be a whole new class of Americans created. John McCain was born outside of the… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    If you’re born a U.S. Citizen outside of the U.S., you’re not “naturalized”. Ergo, you must be “natural born”.
    Sorry HP everything after your Ergo is wrong. If you are born outside of the jurisdiction of the United States and either one or both of your parents are US citizens, they you DERIVE your US citizenship from your US citizen parent, or both. You are a derivative citizen of the US. Not naturalized citizen and not Natural Born Citizen.
    Ted Cruz is a derivative citizen. But wouldn’t Ted Cruz make one heck of a great Supreme Court Justice!

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    “But wouldn’t Ted Cruz make one heck of a great Supreme Court Justice!” No, he wouldn’t. Mr. Inside-Outski, “Conservative Constitutionalist” Ted Cruz has no problem misinterpreting and sabotaging the Constitution whenever it’s convenient for Ted Cruz and his globalist Goldman Sachs CFR pals. Cruz prioritized Cruz and political patronage over country, Constitution, and fellow citizens to lie for his “lawyers’ lawyer” apparatchik pal John Obamacare Roberts, claiming he was a “principled conservative”, etc. Cruz recruited J.O. Roberts for the Bush campaign Florida case and 5 years later led the charge to put him on the U.S. Supreme Court. (See http://www.nationalreview.com/article/214989/right-stuff-ted-cruz… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Take it easy Russ. Had you read any of my other posts I am sure that you would not have written that last paragraph. Miller’s Crossing… is that some case that I am not aware of? I am familiar with La Raza and I have opposed them in Immigration Court many times. I was referring to Ted Cruz’s huge pro-Second Amendment victory in Medellin v. Texas. And Scalia said that Ted Cruz was a brilliant attorney. I tell you what, I’ll research what you wrote and reevaluate Cruz, if you research what I have wrote, and reevaluate your facts. It… Read more »

    Russn8r
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    Russn8r

    The last pp tweaks a line from a movie. Reminded me of Cruz (“Mr. Inside-Outski”). Did you think it was directed at you? It wasn’t.

    Wild Bill
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    My apologies. I misunderstood.