Which Bathroom Did Klinger Use?

by Dr. Joseph Horton

Which Bathroom Did Klinger Use?
Which Bathroom Did Klinger Use?
The Center For Vision & Values
The Center For Vision & Values

United States -(AmmoLand.com)- In M*A*S*H, one of America’s longest-running TV shows, the beloved character Max Klinger dressed as a woman. Klinger hoped to get a so-called “Section 8,” which is a mental-health discharge in the military.

Everyone who watched the show when it ran in prime time understood that a man who thought he was a woman had a mental-health challenge. According to the script, not even Klinger himself really believed he was woman.

Today we are confronted with the challenge of how to respond to individuals who truly believe their mental experience of gender does not match their biology.

Thus teen girls are being told that they must share locker rooms with people who are biologically male. We are told that we need to be inclusive. But where is the concern for the privacy and comfort of those who do not want to change clothes next to people who are objectively a different gender?

A solution to the social aspect of this challenge would be for transgender individuals to use single-stall family restrooms and changing facilities. There are many people for whom these restrooms are helpful, including people with small children and individuals with special needs who require assistance from a family member. However, advocates for transgender people typically oppose this solution. They claim that this makes transgender individuals feel excluded and that inclusion requires people to use the restroom, locker room, or shower that is consistent with each person’s gender identification. We are told that people who are uncomfortable with this should stop discriminating.

Even if it made sense for the federal government to dictate bathroom usage, the decree issued recently by the Obama administration would have missed the mark. While making the claim of inclusiveness and compassion, it disregards privacy and safety concerns of many citizens and does nothing to acknowledge the real challenge that transgender individuals face.

Muller-Lyer Illusion
Muller-Lyer Illusion

The claim is that one’s mental experience determines the truth. If one feels like a woman, one must be a woman; physiology and genetics do not matter. But one’s mental experience does not determine truth. A noncontroversial example is the Muller-Lyer Illusion. When viewing the two lines, one appears to be clearly longer than the other, even though the length of both lines is exactly the same. The feeling that one line is longer than the other is experienced, but this is misleading. It is possible to have powerful and persistent feelings that are objectively false. Similarly one’s gender identity does not determine the truth. Gender is biologically determined. Surgery and hormones may change external appearances, but the genetic reality remains.

Max Klinger from M*A*S*H
Max Klinger from M*A*S*H

In other mental-health contexts, we readily accept that people’s mental experiences may not reflect reality. People with anorexia believe they are fat despite being dangerously underweight. It would be cruel, not helpful, to agree with people who have anorexia that they are fat. People with depression often feel worthless. Yet we do not assure people with depression that they are in fact worthless. We help people with depression to recognize their worth.

People with gender identities that do not match their biology should be treated with compassion and respect. They too are people of value. They are experiencing genuine pain and confusion. In Sweden, where most citizens are open and accepting of the belief that gender is psychological rather than biological, a 30-year longitudinal study has been completed. Individuals who underwent sex reassignment had a much higher suicide rate and were more frequently admitted for inpatient psychiatric treatment than the general population. Transitioning to the gender with which they identified did not eliminate pain for these individuals, even in a tolerant culture. In the United States, Johns Hopkins University pioneered sex-change surgery, but discontinued it decades ago because it failed to resolve the inner struggles of those who made the transition. There are many people who have transitioned to presenting as another gender who have failed to find healing and regretted the transition (see www.sexchangeregret.com).

Americans loved the Max Klinger character. We would have loved him even if he really struggled with gender dysphoria. One way we can love real people who are transgender is to provide restroom and locker-room facilities that meet their privacy needs while respecting the privacy needs of others. But addressing privacy needs fails to address the mental-health challenge. Thus, also critical is promoting mental-health services and research to help those who do indeed suffer. Quality, evidence-based therapy should be available.

Dr. Joseph J. Horton
Dr. Joseph J. Horton

Assuming that personal experience is always truth is inconsistent with promoting mental health and creates larger societal problems; claiming personal experience as truth does not provide healing for many with gender dysphoria.

About the Author:

Dr. Joseph J. Horton is professor of psychology at Grove City College and the working group coordinator for Marriage and Family with The Center for Vision & Values. He is also a researcher on Positive Youth Development.

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    Mike

    Please remember that ‘Slick Willy” significantly cut mental health funding during his 2 terms in office!

    Lou
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    Lou

    There were no Women’s Showers. They just hung a sign on the outside saying Women Only.
    Perhaps Klinger just held it until he was discharged from the service.

    Witold Pilecki
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    Witold Pilecki

    If I remember the show correctly, Corporal Klinger used the men’s latrine and showers. He never took his shtick to pretend to be a woman for his Section 8 Discharge all the way to actually living as a woman. Therefore, Major Houlihan never had to beat him to a pulp for lurking around the ladies facilities. Tranny’s have been using the restroom of their choosing forever with no problem. Who hasn’t been fooled by a stunningly gorgeous drag queen? The problem arises when a man, that is clearly a man but is also a total pervert, decides to use the… Read more »

    William M Butler MSG USA ret
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    William M Butler MSG USA ret

    Maybe the solution to the “misunderstanting” is to replace the traditional signs with: “For use of persons with a penis” and “For use of persons with a vagina.”. After all parts is Parts?! That way nobody has to worry about their identity, just use the side that you qualify with.

    Idadho
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    Idadho

    How about signs that say “Innies” and “Outies” ?
    The issue being promoted is that gender is fluid. A person can claim one gender on Monday and another on Tuesday. That begs the question: How do we accommodate the 58 different gender categories claimed by some ?
    I like the saying, If you should be using the Men’s Room but I find you using the Women’s Room, in your next visit, you will be using the room for Handicapped Persons.

    Janek
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    Janek

    It’s kind of like baseball. You have ‘pitchers’ and ‘catchers’, but there’s ‘players’ who do other ‘stuff’.

    DaveW
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    DaveW

    The military showers were the same for men and women… they just had specific times to use them. Latrines were outhouse style. It didn’t matter who was in there as long as it was a “one holer”.

    William M Butler MSG USA ret
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    William M Butler MSG USA ret

    Looking at the measured line, on the left. It appears to measure 7 1/2 centimeters. If you add 7 1/2 centimeters to that length, you get 15 centimeters. However, the far right arrow stops at 15 1/2 centimeters, making that portion of the line 8 centimeters long. What am I not seeing? Or is the illusion eluding me.

    Idadho
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    Idadho

    The left line has the 15 out of place. If you look at the single digit indications, they are to the left of the line indicated but between the whole and half lines. The 2 digit indications, they slowly change position and by 15 are positioned below the half unit line. But the whole unit line for 15 is to the left of the 15. It is confusing that a measurement agency

    Colonialgirl
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    Colonialgirl

    IF you IGNORE the numerals and ONLY count the longer segment marks you discover that each Half contains 7 longer marks plus a half mark. The In pointing segment ENDS on a Half mark on the RIGHT; the OUT pointing segment STARTS with a Half mark on the Left.
    It’s a case of a not well drawn example.

    William M Butler MSG USA ret
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    William M Butler MSG USA ret

    Thanks to all who replied. I see what I missed.