Concealed Carry Holder Shoots Neighbor

Bob Irwin dissects the latest self defense and other shootings of the week.

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Las Vegas, NV –-(Ammoland.com)- WCPO TV 9 in Cincinnati, Ohio reports this week in North College Hill (5/7), police say one man shot another during a fight Saturday morning. Police responded to the 6500 block of Betts Avenue at about 11:45 a.m. for a report of a person shot.

A woman who called 911 said she heard a man shout, “If you’re on my property, I have a right to defend myself.” Arriving officers found the resident, a concealed carry weapons permit holder. He told police that a male and two females had assaulted him and knocked him to the ground.

As the altercation continued, the resident told police he was afraid the other man may have had a weapon so he fired one round at him.

The shooting victim was apparently driven by the women to Mercy Health-West Hospital and then transferred to the larger University of Cincinnati Medical Center. His injuries did not appear to be life-threatening. The shooter was also reportedly hospitalized briefly with injuries that were non life-threatening.

Important detail -Witnesses said the two men are neighbors.

A neighbor expressed concern about the gunfire. “What if they would have missed and hit one of our kids?” the neighbor said. “Our kids play all hours of the day, and it’s a concern when a block away people are getting shot.”

No arrests have been made. The investigation was ongoing.

Comment:

One would question the “If you’re on my property, I have a right to defend myself” warning to the aggressor.

I can’t imagine that warning is taught in an Ohio CCW class. Additionally most media left out the part that these two were neighbors and apparently knew each other.

The shooter here apparently was attacked and reasonably fired in self-defense but perhaps the whole incident could have been avoided.

If confronted, try to stay in your house and call 911. Cops have free lawyers!

Bob Irwin, The Gun Store, Las Vegas

About Bob Irwin

The writer is the owner of The Gun Store in Las Vegas and has a gun talk radio show “Fired Up with Bob Irwin” Firedup is now on KSHP 1400 am radio from 5 to 6 pm on Thursdays and at the same time also on YouTube “Fired Up with Bob Irwin“.

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TEX

I think a lot of the Yankees that post here are bitter and disappointed that they live in states that treat them like morons too stupid to own firearms and protect themselves ! They are jealous of Texas firearm laws and our freedoms and respect for the 2A and probably wish they were here ! I see Yankee license plates all over my state and doubt them Yankees are just passing through or on vacation ! Invasion of the Yankees in the Lone Star State ! Damn !

Josey Wales

I was born in Ohio physically but my heart resides in Texas! No better state in this blessed country. When my son graduates from HS, I’m going where I belong…Texas! And no offense to the liberals please dear God stay where you’re at!

Cam

Well gee Bob, I’ve read a couple of your articles and maybe we can all avoid anyone from a shooting or getting shot. Let’s all just lock ourselves in our apartments, condos or houses. Never come out, no one ever. No crime other than domestic abuse but who will ever know because no one will ever come out. No more open carry, no robberies, and no smog cause no one will ever drive because they have to stay locked in their houses. Coal plant will all shut down because everyone is safe no one goes to work. Of course the… Read more »

Wild Bill

Poor old Bob, at his age has to keep writing articles to make a living. Even though not entirely right, I’m going to give him a little leeway.

TEX

Where did this tick bit old fool come from ? I checked his bio and he’s not an attorney,born in N.Hollywood,CA in ’44,has a radio show in Vegas,writes garbage,and has co-owned a gun shop in Vegas since ’82 ! The fact this old coot gets paid to write this trash just compounds the tragedy.

Wild Bill

Check Martindale & Hubble for attorneys, but… yeah… he is just an old coot that needs to write trash to make money.

TEX

,I said it’s a tragedy that he gets paid to write trash. I realize he has other sources of income !

Libertarian

“The shooter here apparently was attacked and reasonably fired in self-defense but perhaps the whole incident could have been avoided.” Can we all agree that deadly force is ONLY allowed to counter deadly force. Mere trespass is not “deadly force” …. no wonder the press has a field day with these stories.

Tionico

whether the shooter has a concealed weapon permit is meaningless…. he was on HIS OWN PROPERTY and thus the Mother May I Card is meaningless.

gil

Nothing in one’s property is worth the life of another. A fist should be answered back with a fist. If you can’t do it ,you have to run and protect your self. That’s how you de-escalate the situation. Now if your inside your house and the other intend to cause you more harm, then you can shoot. You were able to prove to the court that you don’t have any intention to take someone’s life but you just fear for your life.

Tionico

Read up on Ohio law….. Stand Your Ground means no DUTY to retreat…. and a three on one pileup mauling is considered at law to be a lethal force situation, disparity of numbers. The details do not include age, physical condition/limitations, etc, of any of the parties involved…… if the one attacked was old or infirm or weak or injured elsewise, that alone justifies the use of lethal force against a lone assailant. Add two more, there is no question. Thus business of “you got to run and hide” and let the vicious have their way is the garbage our… Read more »

Wild Bill

Well Gil, regarding the statement “Nothing in one’s property is worth the life of another.” Some states have adopted that more modern view. We in Texas, and our legislature, have not. As to the fist answering back with a fist part: the law of self defense, as a general proposition of law, requires the victim to fear for his life or great bodily harm, then he may defend himself using deadly force. No one is required to take a beating. The size of the attacker verses the size of the defender is called the disparity of force factor. Most states… Read more »

Mke1968

If someone is willing to kill to take your stuff then they need to also be prepared to die for it as well. There is no reason to acquiesce to the criminal element because of some misguided belief their life is more important than my right to defend my home and property.

TEX

@gil,thanks for that expert advice on when I can shoot and when I can’t ! LMFAO ! Are you in Ohio too ?

TEX

In Texas criminals don’t control our lives. In Texas law-abiding citizens have the protection of the law,not the criminals !

Gene Ralno

In Pasadena, Texas, a small landmark incident occurred back in ’07. Joe Horn agreed to watch his neighbor’s home for a few days. It was burglarized. He called 911. He told the burglars to stop. They didn’t. He killed both while they ran with the loot. Case closed. It proved once again that Americans are fed up with the leftist demand that they stand aside idly while nuts and felons waltz into their lives, harm their families, take what they want and stroll away unpursued. They’re sick of watching the public school system constantly hammer that when confronted by a… Read more »

TEX

,that local loud mouth African activist Quanell X ain’t been back to Pasadena since that Horn thing either. Remember how about 100 Harley’s and the fantastic citizens of Pasadena drowned out that African,Al Sharpton wannabe, while he was trying to run off at the mouth about Horn ?

Ken

Yo may all go to hell and I will go to Texas

TexDan

Best answer of all. Although if we keep getting these transplants from Commiefornia, we might need to extend the wall plumb around the State, or at least have a 10 year waiting period before transplants can vote…

TEX

Yep,it’s obvious them transplant Yankees/Kali.relocators don’t know how to vote. They have screwed up their states electing the same scum over and over. Now they come to Texas with the power to vote here and ruin Texas ? No way,no how !

TxTruth

Yup I am sick of these Californian transplants coming here to Texas too along with those carpet baggers from up north.

Wild Bill

Geee whiz, Texas group… I am one of those transplant Yankees/Kali.relocators, and I know how to vote! I just ask my neighbors who they are voting for and they write it down for me!

TEX

,the Yankee reference isn’t directed at you my friend ! I have a lot of Yankee friends and I rag on them and vice versa but we always have each other’s back ! I’m referring to the loud mouth Yankees on this site trashing Texas with insults ! To hell with them SOB’s ! ‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

Wild Bill

I know Tex, my neighbors all tease me, too… while they are telling me how to vote!

TEX

‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

NutherChans

That’s fer sure. I visited TX fer a month and had contact with the most polite, well-behaved people I’ve ever seen – even the ones that typically act like idiots and ghetto trash in other states were acting like normal humans. My girlfriend at the time said it was because in Texas, almost everyone is carrying so ya better behave or yer gonna gain a little bit extra weight in an instant.

Matt in Oklahoma

I don’t know enough from this short article to make a judgment. Yelling at someone is taking a step to not shoot them. If I have my pistol I probably have my cell. That’s not to say I could get to it. Again there aren’t enough details to say

Robert

’tis better to avoid a gunfight than loose a gun fight … bet that neighbor thinks twice about starting’ something he can’t win without a … bigger gun.

TEX

’tis better ? It ’tis ?

Wild Bill

I don’t know about the loosing part, but at least there is less paperwork with the avoiding part.

Pistol Pete

I think it is good advice, then if they being the fight in side your house then you shoot and the law is on your side.
Tex you are trying to be a he man when that is plan stupid.
Gun owners need to be smarter and only fight as a last resort

TEX

If it is ‘he man’ to protect your property and family than I sure as hell am. Texas gives us plenty of protection of law against criminal trash ! Enjoy living in NJ,NY,Ca,..or where ever you are ! You don’t sound like you need a firearm anyways.

Tionico

the shooter was IN HIS OWN PROPERTY, and was being physically assaulted by the intruder and had ordered him to leave. Remember, in the article it mentions the shooter also was taken to hospital for treatable injuries. That means he was actively being physically assaulted. Further, it seems there was more than one intruder… disparity of numbers constitutes lethal threat under laws of most states, and Ohio is a Stand Your Ground State… property owner obviously was lawfully on his own property, thus had NO DUTY to retreat. What, just cause we can carry a gun are we supposed to… Read more »

TEX

That is the most ridiculous advice I ever heard ! Bob Irwin said, if you are confronted ON YOUR PROPERTY,to run back into your house,call 911 and wait ? I don’t think so !

Darren

C’mon Tex, better to do all you can to avoid shooting someone than going to prison for what the govt might think is an unjustified shooting.

Wild Bill

Darren, here in Texas, if you are on your own property, and someone attempts some unlawful thing to you, then you get the presumption of having acted lawfully, when you shoot them. If your state is not Texas, then you probably do not have that protection.

Michael Neil

Bill, I did a little checking and you are not completely correct. “attempts some unlawful thing to you” can mean many things. Many of which are unlawful but do not warrant deadly force. This means that you can be convicted and sued and loose. In todays age, even in Texas, if you shoot someone who has caused an unlawful act on your property in the back as he or she is fleeing, you will go before a jury and yes even Texas has it’s share of moronic liberals on the jury. You will loose! Just to be sure, I live… Read more »

TEX

,if criminals don’t come on my property and try to steal from me,injure or kill me,they will be just fine !

Michael Neil

I guess this means you are good with criminals coming on your property. May-be we should place a border fence on your northern property border to keep you from coming north and you can keep all of the Mexican immagrents to yourself seeing how you prefer them over lawful Americans.

TEX

No,what that means is if they (criminals) stay off my property they won’t get their asses shot. I thought even you could understand what I meant !

Rob

Guess what, Tex? Ohio ain’t Texas. What’s ridiculous to you is good advice in practically any other state. In Ohio, you shoot someone to protect property – you go to prison. Shoot someone in your yard – you go to prison. In any case, you will be sued, this is true anywhere, and it’s best to avoid shooting people if possible. People like you are the reason gun owners have a bad name, and liberals think we’re all a bunch of gap-toothed hicks just waiting for the chance to gun someone down over peanuts.

TexDan

“Gap-toothed Hicks”, really? I don’t know where you live, but I would be willing to bet that the area where us “Gap-toothed Hicks”, live is far safer, almost no crime, especially compared to the more enlightened States/Cities, such as LA/SF California/Manhattan, NY/Cincinnati, Ohio/Chicago, Illinois, and on and on…I have been to your more enlightened areas, and if one wants to see gap-teeth, go to any of the above inner cities, which should be the most enlightened, as they are the most Liberal. Bah! Maybe we are safer because we do not intend to tolerate your idea of a safe/law abiding… Read more »

Mike N

Tex, it seems to me that either you did not read what Rob said or you didn’t understand what he said. He did not make reference that YOU were a “Gap-toothed Hick”, he stated that that is the perception the anti’s have and proclaim. Now don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of the right to shoot some one if necessary. I also believe that if there is a way out of the situation without shooting some one then you have the obligation to take that route. I also believe that you never shoot too wound nor do… Read more »

Wild Bill

Well said Mike! We all must act in a manner that is consistent with what is “reasonable” pursuant to statute and case law in the state in which we are domiciled. And that is at least one of the reasons that I, and the other Texan commenters, have chosen to live here in Texas. Now, in my particular case, here in Texas, I can go for several days without seeing another person. It would be the greatest of simplicity, for a group of people to drive out to my ranch, shoot me, and steal everything, taking their time doing it.… Read more »

TxTruth

Yes we know Ohio isn’t Texas and never will be. You shitty ass state is part of the rust belt and you really don’t have anything worth damn in that state either. I don’t know if you are aware of a shooting that happened in Pasedena, Tx many years ago. A man named Joe Horn shot 2 illegal aliens from Colombia in a front yard because they were robbing his neighbors home while he(his neighbor) wasn’t there. The 911 operator told him to stay inside his home and to not confront them. He went out there anyway stop those thugs… Read more »

Wild Bill

Wait a darn minute there TxT, if you insult their state, they might come down here looking for something better. Now, all you folk from non-Texas states, your state is just fine, the reasons that you do what you all do are just fine, and statutes that your legislature has set up for you are just fine. No need to come down here there is noting to see. Everybody just relax and have a nice cold beer… on me.

TEX

,them damn Yankee license plates are all over Texas ! We are better off with the wetback Mexicans !

TEX

,great advice ! We sure as hell don’t want to encourage them to come to the Lone Star State ! Texas, the greatest state in the country,…period ! Have you seen the amount of foreign license plates in my state ? Ohio,IL.NY,NJ,CA,etc,..etc. ! It’s a damn Yankee invasion in my state !

TEX

@TxTruth,remember the welcome Pasadena,TX gave quanell x over the Horn thing ? I don’t think that useless black boy has ever been back ! LMFAO !

TEX

Ohio,the home of Boehner and Kasich ! ‘Nuff said !

TEX

But them fools in Ohio have Boehner and Kasich ! Maybe it’s something in the water ! Trash in trash out ! LMFAO !

Tionico

READ the article again. It clearly states that the property OWNER was on HIS property and was being assailted by the tresspasser. The immediate threat of serious bidily harm IS grounds for the application of lethal force. Ohio is a Stand Your Ground state, anywhere I lawfully am present, I have no duty to retreat in the face of a threat. Castle Doctrine, too, but this apparently did not happen inside the house. ANY assault/attack of one’s person whilst upon one’s own property (or anywhere else the assailee has a right to be present) is grounds for defense. A plausible… Read more »

5WarVeteran

In South Carolina if your property is posted and trouble has already taken place castle laws take effect. Posted is the keyword here. Also in South Carolina the VICTIM of the invasion has most of the responsibility to find the criminal because our good ole boys are more than slow. In fact I handed them a criminal and the evidence and they held him in the lockup for 14 months and then let him go saying they could not convict him. However the BATF then took him for another year. Still as the victim I lost $60,000.00 The most important… Read more »

TEX

Keep your funny talking ass in that shit*hole Ohio ! The home of losers like Boehner and Kasich ! We know the scum that comes out of that Yankee shit*hole ! ‘Texas,like a whole other country’ ! Damn it’s so fine !

TEX

Enjoy living in Ohio and STAY THERE !