OK: “Constitutional” Permitless Open Carry Almost to Governor

By Dean Weingarten

Oklahoma State Capitol Building
Oklahoma State Capitol Building
Dean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten

Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- The Oklahoma legislature has passed HB 3098, the bill to restore permitless open carry to Oklahoma.  The bill passed the House  73 to 15, and the Senate 37 to 9.  Unless it is stopped in conference committee, it will be sent to Governor Mary Fallin.  Two years ago, in 2014,Governor Fallin, (R) Oklahoma, vetoed a number of bills in what has been described as a “tantrum” on the 29th of April. The legislature overrode one of the bills.  It is unclear if Governor Fallin would veto HB 3098, which passed with veto proof majorities.  I have read the bill, and ethansission from opencarry.org sums it up pretty well:

Yes. This bill keeps the Self Defense Act (SDA) intact for concealed carry. The bill basically adds open carry as a general exception to the law against carrying weapons and removes all mention of open carry from the SDA. So the SDA license goes back to being relevant only for concealed carry again, like it was before open carry became legal in Oklahoma in 2012. So this bill, if passed, would mean:

  • Open carry is legal without a license (except for under 21, felons, and people with certain mental conditions).
  • Concealed carry is legal with an SDA license. Open carry is also legal for someone with an SDA license (i.e. you’re not required to conceal just because you have an SDA license).
  • Someone holding an SDA license will be permitted to carry concealed in states that reciprocate the Oklahoma SDA license, just like they can today.

The law could pass the legislature with sufficient time so that the legislature will not have to worry about a “pocket veto”. Here is the process for a veto by the governor.  From stand.org:

5. Action by the governor:

Within 10 days after passage by the House and Senate, the bill is signed by the presiding offices of each chamber, the chief clerk of the House, the secretary of the Senate and then given to the governor. If legislative adjournment “Sine Die” has not occurred, the governor has 10 days (excluding Sunday) to act on the bill. If the governor does nothing/does not veto it within 10 days (excluding Sunday), it automatically becomes law. It also becomes law if the governor formally acts on it by signing it into law, which is more typical.

6. The way the governor can veto a bill:

The Legislature can let a veto stand or attempt to override it. The governor can veto an entire bill or “line item” veto some parts of it and approve its other provisions. The Legislature may override either a straight or line-item veto by a two-thirds vote of both chambers, until sine die. After sine die, the governor may also “pocket veto” a bill by keeping it 15 days after the Legislature has adjourned without taking official action. With this approach, the Legislature does not have the opportunity to override.

Governor Fallin has several options, and the legislature could have time to override a veto if she uses the pocket veto option.  The Legislature is scheduled to adjourn on 27 May.  If they delay passage of the bill for a couple of weeks, it will make a veto override nearly impossible.

HB 3098 is essentially half of a “Constitutional” carry bill.  The other half would be to eliminate the requirement for a permit to carry a weapon concealed.  Oklahoma is a prime candidate to become a member of the Constitutional carry club, but probably not this year.   It is likely that a much improved amendment to protect the right to keep and bear arms will be on the ballot in November, which will giver further impetus to the “constitutional” carry movement.
©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.

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About Dean Weingarten;

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Earl Bergen
Earl Bergen
4 years ago

Why do the people of Oklahoma fight for a permit less carry law? Instead pass a right to carry law like we have in Idaho, here you can carry anywhere in the state open or concealed with out a permit!!!

Eric
Eric
4 years ago

Only good guys with guns Stop bad guns with guns PERIOD!!!
Except when bad guys suicide out like today in Anchorage AK. Man shot at cops , killed himself in strangers apartment.

PatriotSon
PatriotSon
4 years ago

For everyone concerned about whether I carry open or consealed (Come and take it!)

PatrotSon
PatrotSon
4 years ago

Only good guys with guns Stop bad guns with guns PERIOD!!!

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

@Eric,let me say from the outset you need to avoid John/John Plaisance,or whatever this person wants to be called today like the plague. This person is a mentally unstable individual trying to lure you into this discussion. Wild Bill on the other hand,is man of integrity,common sense,and years of honorable service to our country. I think,that the carrying of firearms,whether open or concealed, is a constitution right that should ‘never’ be subject to license/permits. It is the only constitutional right that is regulated by the government through these means. Constitutional carry will end this ! Permits/licenses is just another means… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago

@Tex, This Bill character is the kind of guy that equates being right with getting the last word. Isn’t he the one that attacked my credibility by wanting to know my credentials, but would not reciprocate with his own? Until he antes up he has no credibility.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

Eric, I’m gonna go out on a limb here but I think ya rubbed ole Tex the wrong way when you said you fully supported a licence requirement to conceal carry.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

Dumbass…..

Eric
Eric
4 years ago

I don’t know how it appears that I said “people will open carry if it’s illegal”. Hell no if its illegal then don’t freaking do it. I never encourage people to break the law. All I said is that I prefer to open carry and I side with the 31 out of 50 states that allow open carry without mandatory class and training. Am I wrong for thinking that way? Absolutely not. Just as people that advocate people need to be mandated to have trainingto open carry are not wrong. We all our products of our individual state gun laws.… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

,another thing to keep in mind about Bill Nuicanse is the fact that this person is from Upstate N.Y.,Buffalo yet ! I have absolute proof on that too. I do take that into consideration when evaluating this persons mental stability and judgement. I’ll email that info.! Out

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

Oh and you’re not, man?? Talk about bein’ a nuisance. You’re the one takin’ the taco on that one, pal. You’re like a fly that just won’t go away….lol. So the hell what if I’m repeating myself. That a crime?? If I’m such a nuisance to you, why don’t you just ignore me and stop with the lewd comments to about me and everything I say? Just just go about your damned business and leave well enough alone. Enough with the argument baiting. It’s plain as day you don’t like what I say or anything anybody says when their opinions… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

,that’s easy to do. This guy Bill Nuisanse is just all over the place repeating the same nonsense over and over. Repetition at its worst.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

I know you’re not gonna reply to me thar, Tex and quite frankly, that’s just perfectly fine with me but what, was that a remark suggesting you think I won’t get my permit? Why ever would you think that? You think I might “shot” myself??…..lol.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

@Wild Bill,let this guy read another book about it until he gets his CCW,maybe. You and I work with real life experiences and facts. I don’t even reply to this person anymore. Take care,TEX

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

Wild bill, Whatever man. There is no more “turn” on this discussion between you and me. We’ve beat this dead horse to a bloody pulp. Good for you for being who you are what you say you are. I’ve read too much stuff that is quite contrary to what you say. If some day the government grants is these rights that you say is our right and just lets any ole body carry a gun period without rules or regulations then, well, I guess when that bridge comes up you can tell me ya told me so. I’ve stated my… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago

Many apologies, I somehow placed my response way down here rather than under Bill on 16 July. Probably operator error.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago

, I just love it when someone asks me what my qualifications are! Well, I graduated from law school. Got the Army to pay for it. Was admitted to the bar. Admitted to the federal bar. Practiced before the federal court before becoming a special agent. And all these court cases that I am giving you for free are the controlling Supreme Court of the United States. And finally, people are still willing to pay me actual money for my opinions! Ok now it is your turn.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

,whatever ! Take care.

Eric
Eric
4 years ago

No. I am in the process of obtaining one here. I’ve paidthe $100 for 5 years, completed the classroom portion and waiting to go to the range and qualify with pistol for the Army. After I requalify again I will take my score card to the Sheriff’s office and pay whatever finger printing costs. I fully support a license to be required for concealed carry. I grew up with no license for open carry. For that reason alone I advocate for no permit/license needed when openly carrying. I had to get a license in Indiana to open carry in 2008… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

,one last thing. Although open carry is legal in Texas with a ridiculous permit (permission slip from the state to exercise a constitutional right. Damn that piss*es me off) very few people actually do open carry. If most people are more comfortable carrying concealed,great ! Just carry everyday and train yourself properly to do so.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

@Eric,open carry is the only way I carry too. Although it’s nice to have the option. Texas open carry took effect on 1-1-’16 and I have not had any problems with it at all. Like you,I could care less if others like it or not.Texas will get constitutional carry soon ! Firearm proficiency should never be mandated by the state,and no license being required is where we are all headed,finally. In Texas,I have no choice but to have my LTC until the law changes, and that will be soon. Oklahoma will have it soon too ! Less is always best… Read more »

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

Eric, I’m just curious, do you have your permit? After thinking about it some after having this conversation, for the most part it really don’t matter in a sense because criminals who know good and well they are criminals are most likely not going to be carrying openly unless they just got balls of solid granite and think they can get away with it. Probably ninety percent of the time, the open carriers are not a criminal. I get it. But it still doesn’t change my opinion from allowing open carry without a permit. If they pass this law, fine,… Read more »

Eric Temple
Eric Temple
4 years ago

I open carry. I prefer open carry. I honestly don’t care if people are unconformable seeing my sidearm or not. I am also from one of the 30 states that allow open carry w/o training or a permit. If someone chooses to carry regardless of the method for self defense, they need to be proficient with their chosen pistol/revolver. If they chose not to be and in the process that they have to defend themselves and injury/kill an innocent bystander… The should and will have the full extent of the judicial system crawl up their ass. I should not be… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

The important thing to remember is constitution carry is a right,just like the 2A. People who would believe that a permit/license should be required to exercise a constitution right,would also think it’s OK to let the gov’t know the serial numbers of the firearms they intend to carry. Since open carry finally became law in Texas, and went into effect on 1-1-2016 we have been working literally 24/7 to get constitutional carry passed in the next legislative session. And it will. Criminals,and those convicted of felony crimes are prohibited persons already. When constitutional carry goes into effect they won’t carry… Read more »

Bill
Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Tex, I’m gonna try my hardest to be civil about this and try to let bygones be bygones. From all that I’ve read online, you still have to have a permit to carry a handgun period (not counting your vehicle) in Texas, correct? If you know other info to this I’d love to see it. And no, I’m not being a hard-headed smartass about it, regardless of what you may think about me. Concealed or open, unless you’re in your car, as what I found out in Texas the other day, just as long as it’s not concealed, you can… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

To think that Donald Trump was even considering Gov.Fallin and Gov. Christie as possible VP nominees is nuts. Gov.Christie has consistently screwed over the law-abiding citizens of NJ. Gov.Fallin had an A NRA rating until she showed her true colors on constitutional carry for the good people of Oklahoma,and then stabbed them in the back. They say they are pro-gun,pro-2A but their actions don’t bear that out !

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

Many of the Oklahoma RINO’s that voted against the 2A and the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens of Oklahoma need to start looking for a new line of work. You don’t get rewarded for treason by being elected to another term. Yep,there will be lots of new faces around the statehouse.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

TRUMP-PENCE 2016 !

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

TEXAN PROUD,REDNECK PROUD ! DAMN ITS SO FINE ! “TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY” ! ‘NUFF SAID !

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

Sigh,that Bill Nuisance som bit*ch give away his location in a post he tried to make earlier. I knew this tick bit fool was from that area but I though it was NYC,not Buffalo ! That about explains it all don’t it ? Sigh ! “TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY” !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Hahaha… Well, atleast you’re good for a laugh. When did I ever say I was in New York?? Another thing bozo, if never even said I was in Oklahoma, which I am, why would I even care about oklahoma’s laws if I didn’t live in the state? I bet you really are as dumb as you sound. Just keep diggin’ that stupidity hole even deeper. It’s actually kinda comical. Your other gun totin’ rootin’ shootin’ buddies probly disagree with me but, that’s ok. As I said, I’m done with this conversation. I’m not gonna allow myself to continue being just… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

First off, Tex has already had a life, a life of service to America. Have you served your fellow Americans Bill Plaisance? Have you put your life on the alter of freedom. Tex has paid for his civil Rights, and yours. Second, why would you allow yourself to continue being ignorant? I can not encourage you enough to enlist, take the oath, get a real world education. And take some Con Law classes so that you will know when some politician is hoodwinking you.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

First off, I don’t know why you clowns all the sudden think I’m in a location other than where I’m at or I’m changing login names. I’m in Oklahoma, have been this whole time and as you ar seeing, under the same name as usual. Ok so, ole Yosemite Sam, screen name Tex, has served on the military, huh? That gives him the right to come on here and be a complete jackass if a person disagrees with him? Ok. Effed up, but whatever. I seem to be the minority in this discussion so I guess I’ll just grin and… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Oh and another thing wild bill, I don’t know what you were implying when you asked of me or you two was the real redneck but I assure you I ain’t no red neck. Don’t let my gratuitous use of the word “ain’t” fool you otherwise. Not only that, a redneck wouldn’t even be using the word gratuitous in the first place.

I’m not a hillbilly, white trash cracker either. Just a law abiding citizen, no more, no less.

yancey
yancey
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Tex it is funny that this guy doesnt have a license but thinks everybody have one. He makes no difference because the second amend. is all the license needed. Can’t fix stupid.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

If you take some Con Law classes, you will not hold the opinions that you hold because the Law is not what you think that it is. If you would like to educate your self about our civil Rights The Tennessee Law Review (vol 62, number 3) did a Symposium Issue in 1995 that is available. That would be a cheap and yet comprehensive way to learn about your Rights against the usurpations and predations of the state. Oh, and I was not trying to correct your spelling on such an obvious and insignificant thing. I was merely trying to… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

,at least we got rid of that useless trash Bill Nuisance ! You are spot on right about the moron possibly showing up again using a different handle. I will be watching out for the tick bit SOB doing just that too. Take care.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Yancey, what difference would it make whether I had my permit now or later? Wait, what are you trying to say, anyway? Your poor word grouping and inability to make a proper sentence has me confused. Are you trying to say I think everybody should “should” have a permit or are you trying to say I think everyone “has” one?? Either way, that second amendment doesn’t protect everybody like you seem to think it does. Go get a felony and I assure you that licence will be provoked and all you’ll be left to do is say it won’t and… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Yea, and your worthless ass is still here too. Magine that. Go suck a bug.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

@BP I was out trimming horses hooves and cleaning dog kennels for the local animal shelter in the 102 degree Texas heat, yesterday, in voluntary support of the local animal shelter. And missed much of the conversation.
I see clearly what Yancey is saying. Allow me to interpret. You, BP, would put a legal burden others, that you don’t have to meet yourself. I think that is an excellent point, even more so, because I did not think of it myself.
Oh, that redneck stuff was so that you would come back, You bit hard.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Bill, ((I see clearly what Yancey is saying. Allow me to interpret. You, BP, would put a legal burden others, that you don’t have to meet yourself..)) Well, first and foremost, until he logs in and explains exactly what he meant, you and I could “interpret” all day long. After looking over his post one more time, it looks to me like he left out the word “should”, like he’s trying to say I, as in me, thinks everyone should have a permit in which yeah, I do. Just like driving a car. You can’t drive a car without a… Read more »

Bill
Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Wild Bill, And what exactly is your qualification to have a more out-weighing effect over what I say about all this Constitutional Law stuff? You keep referring to all these court cases and other literature just as I did with referring you to what I read on that Progressives site and all the other stuff Ive looked at as well that I havent even told you about. I could refer you to that other stuff but you’ll just probably try to shoot that all down as well. As Ive said before, its just your interpretation and opinion over mine to… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

“TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY” !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

How many times you gonna repeat that, jughead??

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

As many as I want to.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

That Bill Plaidance moron is in upstate NY just outside Buffalo ! That about explains it all don’t it ? Sigh !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

MUAHAHAHAH!!! And you nerve to to call me the names you have. Wow. Your stupidity amazes me. Upstate New York, huh…. SMDH.

Rod
Rod
4 years ago

We the people in the real world not California, believe in the constitution as it was written not in all of the attachments that liberals keep imposing with their perversional spins. To keep and bear Arms, period. Open or concealed doesn’t matter and when the Supreme Court becomes what it is supposed to be , just the enforcement of the law and not the interpreter of, the original meanings will cancel out all of these idiotic add ons that continually pick away at our true rights. It’s really pretty simple. There is entirely to many Supreme Court Justices appointed that… Read more »

Charles Nichols
Charles Nichols
4 years ago

I would like to point out to the Kool-Aid drinkers here that in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals there are two lawsuits out of California in which the NRA, the SAF and their state allies the CRPA and the CalGuns.nuts Foundation which have argued these past six years or so that states can ban Open Carry. On June 24, 2016 they filed briefs to have their cases reheard by all 26 active circuit judges. The so called gun-rights groups briefs now argue that California MUST ban Open Carry. http://CaliforniaRightToCarry.org Concealed carry is of no use to me, I don’t… Read more »

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago

This ain’t Kalifornia so koolaid mixer keep fighting

Tom Pattillo
Tom Pattillo
4 years ago

We need to keep pushing for our GOD given rights and the ones granted by the Constitution

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Pattillo

Push has gone to shove now ! No more Mr. nice guy bull*sh%t ! We will keep our firearms and take back this country with those firearms if that’s what the situation dictates !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Pew pew, yeeeeehawww!!! [email protected]@s.

Rod Krueger
Rod Krueger
4 years ago

As of today, July 5th, 2016, where are we at with getting constitutional carry completedo in Oklahoma? What’s next, what are the key dates, who votes on it and when and what exactly will the law then allow us if it is passed? When the heck will this all be over with? It seems to drag on forever. Who is dragging their feet. And it sure would be nice if there would be more media coverage, and more often , letting us know where we are at with this so more pressure could be applied. Who is out there that… Read more »

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Krueger

Well Rod if you gotta belong to some organizations like NRA, any Okla 2nd A groups or maybe have insurance with USLawSheild etc you would get updates. We are nowhere till next year. Stay strong and stay tuned

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago

It won’t come up till next year again. The votes only count if it makes it to vote. Our enemies fighting it are the NBA, the OHP/Dept of public safety and democrats.

Coby
Coby
4 years ago

I’m not real sure what happened its a big let down to me. I had been following it and I saw on the state website over the weekend they had killed it.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Coby

I had talked to Matt in Oklahoma a a few days ago and I thought it was a done deal. Really surprised and pissed too.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Coby

Gov.Fallin vetoed it ! Are you sure the bit*ch is a republican ? Maybe there is enough votes to over ride her veto ! This is BS ! Throw her sorry a*ss out of the governors mansion.

Sylver
Sylver
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

I thought if we had 2/3’s of the house and the senate, she could not veto it. I guess I am thinking wrong. So what’s the next step? Is it just going to die and stay dead, or is someone working to revise this bill and try again? Does anyone know?

Josh
Josh
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylver

If u have 2/3 house and Senate they can over throw the veto

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Only IF it gets to the vote and out if committee. We have a vote Tuesday coming. Make sure you remember these POSs when you do. Vote against all of them

Brad
Brad
4 years ago

Has this bill been signed by Fallin?

Coby
Coby
4 years ago
Reply to  Brad

They killed the bill.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Coby

Why ?

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Coby

Good. Hopefully it stays that way. I’m sorry, flame me all you want but I don’t particularly want unlicensed people carrying out in public. Like I mentioned earlier, this ain’t the freakin Wild Wild West. I don’t know why anyone would wanna carry openly period, permit or not but that’s neither here nor there. Yeah, you shorten ur draw time when you need your weapon but it also makes you a soft target too. Me personally, I don’t want everybody and their dog to know I have a gun.

JD
JD
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Is it the wild wild west where they have constitutional carry now? NO. Your irrational fantasies are just that, irrational. What ever happened to personal responsibility? Here in IL at my local range it is $500 for a couple to spend 16 hours to sit through all the information we already have access to. Then add another $300 for the application to the state to see if we can get our CCL. Add $60-$100 if you submit your fingerprints. I know a guy who submitted his application without fingerprints and has been waiting a year. He has no recourse to… Read more »

Coby
Coby
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

Thank you well said.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

First and foremost there, JD, just like with common sense, common courtesy, common decency and personal responsibility is becoming more and more of several flowers that just don’t grow in everybody’s garden anymore. I’m not saying I’m talking to you or anybody in particular, I don’t know you, you don’t know me. If the world wasn’t going to hell in a hand basket, then your accusations towards me about being irrational would have more of a leg to stand on. Just because of you, your family and friends are good people, it’s foolish to act like you assume a complete… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

Coby, you sure about that??…lol. Call whatever you want as “being well said”…. Makes no difference to me, just thought I’d ask.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

Well Bill Plaisance, the states and subdivisions have no authority to require a license to carry open or concealed. See McDonald v. Chicago. Why in the world would anyone put up with abridgment of their civil Rights. Modern people are rude is an insufficient reason to curtail civil Rights. I don’t want them to is also an insufficient reason. There are no reasonable restriction on our civil Rights.

JD
JD
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

Well Bill P, you are putting the right of the govt to control who can protect themselves and their families above the individual. It needs to be in the hands of the individual. As for the fact this article is not about other states but as you can see without the SCOTUS rulings more states would have bans from letting people exercise their Constitutional right, would your state be next? As for your scenario of the OC being first shot, I can throw it back at you and say it MIGHT deter him from ever holding it up in the… Read more »

JD
JD
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

Sigh…………is right. Your whole basis for starting this debate was that you were afraid of people without a license OCing. I just showed you, all you have to do is show you can shoot 50 rounds and they will help steady you and give moral support. After answering 15 questions voila, a license. Now that is” training” you can believe in. You based your ‘feelings” on a false sense of safety by “licensed” gun owners. The car license analogy is so yesterday. Driving a car is not singled out like the “right to keep and bear arms” in the constitution.… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  JD

@JDYou’re right,the SOB has no say on anything. Nobody on this site gives a rats a*ss what he likes or don’t like.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Wild Bill,

You said….”the states and subdivisions have no authority to require a license to carry open or concealed.”

They don’t? Who says? Oh and by the way, that case you referenced? You either need to re-read it or find another source of info because apparently you have no idea what it was about. From what I read, it had to do with an unconstitutional gun ban in Chicago and oak park, basically saying that people didn’t even have the right to defend themselves in their own home.

Try again, man.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Well Bill I will try again. The S. Ct says! DC v Heller stands for the proposition that the right to keep and bear arms is a civil Right of each person. McDonald v Chicago incorporates that Right against the states (all of the states not just the city of Chicago) through the 14th Amendment. Thus the states have no power or authority to infringe, abridge, diminish, reduce, or change in any way each person’s Second Amendment Civil Right to keep and bear (bear means carry on your person openly or concealed) arms. Ok, I think that my work here… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

JD…… Sigh… “Well Bill P, you are putting the right of the govt to control who can protect themselves and their families above the individual.” No I’m not. The government just has regulations on who can carry or conceal carry out in public. They couldn’t care less what you do in your own home. Unless Killary has something to do with it if she gets elected. “It needs to be in the hands of the individual.” You’re right, but not everybody can be trusted. There’s people with felonies. Major rap sheets. Mental issues. You really want these people open carrying… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@wild bill.

Sigh…

You should really read this sinc you won’t listen to me.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/its-the-exceptions-stupid-why-shall-not-be-infringed-is-a-misnomer/

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@Bill Plaisance again, Forget progressives.com Sir, Read the cases.Take a Constitutional Law class. And “…The government just has regulations on who can carry or conceal carry out in public.” is contrary to the Second Amendment. Any law repugnant to the Constitution (the Second Amendment) is null and void. Marburry v. Madisen 1804 “…article is not about banning anything. It is strictly about Oklahoma’s proposed law change to allow open carrying without a permit.” Requireing a permit, and all that goes with it, is not letting you do a thing that you have a Civil Right to do. That is a… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

JD, you’re a real piece of work, man. No, I didn’t start this debate based on fear, get your facts straight. Just because I don’t think it’s a good idea to let unlicensed people carry a gun in public, all the sudden I’m “scared”… Wow. There’s a little more to it than just answering 15 questions, man. Funny thing is, I’ve already said what all is required atleast down here yet all the sudden answering some questions on a test and boom, shiny new permit. My car driving analogy is “so yesterday”, huh….lol. Apparently you didn’t get the connection and… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Ok wild bill, you win. I give up. You just keep on thinking about that “infringement”. I’ll keep thinking about that so called “ban” when I get my permit and I start open carrying or concealed carrying, LEGALLY. Yep. It’s a ban alright. Funny, I thought a ban meant you couldn’t do something at all under no circumstances but I guess that’s just me. Like I told ole JD, let’s just take away all licenses or permits. Let’s let people drive without licenses. Let’s let people hunt without licenses. Let’em kill all the wildlife without regulation so there’s nothing left… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@Wild Bill,have you noticed how that Bill Nuicanse som bit*ch has a ‘sigh’ problem ? The stupid som bit*ch even types sigh into his posts like a little kid. I guarantee this tick bit fool is a two time Obanana voter and will vote for the bull dyke in Nov. (assuming he’s old enough to vote) You can’t make this stuff up ! Ammoland needs to screen better to keep this type scum outta here.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

BP,can’t find your rock scumbag ?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

You know Tex even by his own definition of “ban” (requiring a permit or you can not under any circumstances carry open or otherwise) it is behavior that you can not do. Driving a car is not a civil Right, thus what the various governments can regulate is subject to a different analysis. People convicted, in a judicial proceeding of felonies, i.e. criminals have already lost their civil Rights. Crazy people must prove to be dangerous to themselves or others in a judicial proceeding before they lose their civil Rights. Children do not have the full panorama of civil Rights,… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

BP,You shouldn’t have a gun either you dumb bast*ard !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Hey Tex, why don’t you just piss off, you wannabe Texas gun totin, rootin tootin phucktard. I’m not even gonna dignify a response those poor excuses of replies.

JD, I take that back. Although your a work in progress about being a real piece of work, this Yosemite Sam wannabe takes the cake.

I’m done with this place. Too many rednecks in here.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

That ain’t no joke. I’m almost ashamed to even be from that [email protected]@sed state.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

You know Tex he will be back, maybe under another name, but he will be back. If the definition of redneck is uneducated, low class, white person, then who is the redneck in this conversation, him or us?

Terry
Terry
4 years ago

This legislation will keep Oklahoman’s safer from being victims of crime. This legislation strengthens what is already law under our 2nd amendment to the constitution. As with all of our rights, if we don’t use them, or if we do not stand up for them, we will loose them.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Terry

@Terry…. I don’t know why I’m even bothering to ask this, even at this point but, how will this open carry without permit legislation, if it passes, make us Oklahomans any more safer than we already are? You can carry open or concealed right now if you got a permit. Don’t have one? Go get one. Should have got one long time ago if you don’t have one already. I guess that goes for me too, I could of applied for mine long time ago when I moved down here but, to be honest with you, Ive had absolutely no… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

I am so happy for and proud of the great people of Oklahoma. Texas will be getting constitutional carry passed in the next legislative session,I hope ! AZ leads the country in great pro gun laws,but OK is catching up to them quick. This is really awesome !

Coby
Coby
4 years ago

Amen to the getting laws passed for things that are our constitutional rights. As for the element of surprise its great, on the other hand how many bad situations might be avoided by the bad guy coming in and seeing other people have guns.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Coby

@Coby,open carry does have a deterrent effect on the criminal mind. I open carry daily and have never seen anyone become terrified at the sight of my weapon. Actually it has been a very positive experience in all ways. In the heat we are experiencing right now in the Gulf Coast area of Texas it is so much more comfortable too. Constitutional Carry will pass in the next legislative session in Texas. Oklahoma will also get Constitutional Carry passed soon,very soon. Take care.

abelhorn
abelhorn
4 years ago

I find it strange that people think it good
we get laws passed to grant us
our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  abelhorn

Yes abelhorn, that is the slave mentality at work.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Whatever man. Guess you will never b happy until when anyone, felony conviction or not, frequent run-ins with the law or not and anyone under the age of 21 is allowed to go in public with a loaded gun for whatever purpose. Great mindset you got there. Oh but wait, that infringement u speak of is bad because those rules protect us from them same people I just mentioned a couple sentences ago.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

First, that is damn liberal not dam liberal. Second, I believe that I have already pointed out that persons convicted of a felony are precluded from buying or owning firearms. Third, our society trusts persons under under 21 with the national franchise, why would you not trust them to carry a gun in public? Finally rules do not protect people. Rules are just words on paper. Nor is their a right to be protected by police or other law enforcement officers. Go look it up. That brings us to self defense. To make a meaningful defense of your self you… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Wild bill, oh sure. I see how it is. You’ll correct my spelling but not ole Texas…lol. You’ll be a grammar natzi to me but not him. Oh wait, it’s because he’s your buddy and I’m not, right?? That makes sense I guess. Btw….. Um, excuse me, I mean, by…..the…..way, don’t wanna get spell checked again, did it not occur to you that I may have spelled “damn” the way I did as to try and attempt not to openly cuss on here? I’m assuming not. Anyway, moving on. I don’t recall you saying anything about anybody being precluded from… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

When seconds count the police are only minutes away !

GW
GW
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Liberal and conservative aside. You say people with felony’s and such won’t carry because there’s a law that says there not allowed to? If that were the case there would be no armed robbery, murders, or mass shootings, because there are laws against it. The only ones affected by the laws are the ones who follow them. Whether there is a law against it or not, for it or not. Nothing changes for the criminals you speak of. The only thing that makes the difference is how easily the ones who follow the law are able to defend themselves. That’s… Read more »

Bud
Bud
4 years ago

I am for the right to open carry but would not do it. If I ever have to defend myself I want it to be a surprise. In certain situations open carry would make you the first target. If some deranged idiot came into a place of business yelling Allahu akbar I don’t want him to know where the next shot comes from.

Gerald
Gerald
4 years ago
Reply to  Bud

Better to have a gun, on ur person anywhere, and not need it than to need it and not have it

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago
Reply to  Bud

You are totally correct in that surprise is one of the three critical elements. I’m not an open carry guy myself. I do when I hunt, I don’t want to worry if I take my jacket off among friends at a wedding or such, if it accidentally shows or if I just am running over to my sons house and don’t feel like covering, at the range etc etc. Its none of their business what I do or how I do it. I’m around guns all day and I worry no more nor no less bout them than I do… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bud

I agree. I intend to carry once I get my permit but, I still don’t want to open carry because I don’t want no one to know I have it. It’s none of their business. In my opinion a carried firearm is better left outta sight and outta mind. This ain’t the old west any more. Hasn’t been for a very long time. I don’t wanna make people uneasy around me if they saw that I was packin’ heat. I’m sure I’ll catch hell over this but to me, open carrying is just a way to show off and look… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bud

Get mad at me all you want but I think the law needs to stay as it is. You wanna carry a gun out in the open, get a permit. Ain’t gonna hurt ya. Go through the training to get that permit. Atleast with it that way, Everyone who knows the laws will know that you have had the training, that you have the permit and that you have gone through the background check, have the photo documentation and have been fingerprinted. Pretty much as much a visual indicator that the person you see openly carrying a gun is qualified… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@BP, you confuse me when you write that “the law needs to stay as it is.” State requirements in the form of a permit (to carry a firearm) is the exact infringement that our Second Amendment Civil Right protects us against. As any permit scheme is an unconstitutional abridgment, that state permit to carry scheme can not be “Law”. So are you advocating for our Second Amendment Civil Right to carry a firearm to remain the same or some state statute that masquerades as “Law”?

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

At Wild Bill… Sorry my reply confused you but, it seems to me that you don’t want any laws whatsoever governing the manner and that you believe laws like that are chiseling away at our rights. Maybe in some way they are. I sure hope not but, call it what you will, I just don’t think it’s a good idea to let people open carry without a permit. I strongly believe this will allow the wrong people to carry guns in public places that have no business doing so. Did you even read what I wrote about the possible reprocussions?… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@BP, the Second Amendment has already filled all the blank space in the law, and there is no room for Federal or State (county and city) statutes, regulations, requirements concerning our Firearms Civil Rights. Just because you think some thing is a good or bad idea does not mean that it should exist. What course of study have you done that you come to these so incorrect conclusions? “… intended to keep us safe.” Do you really leave your safety to some government entity? Then finally you jump to the baseless conclusion that I have a prior record. Well, not… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Wild bill, wow. I never said you in general had a criminal record. I was talking about those, whoever they are, that do. Not pointing fingers at particulars. Now you’re gonna resort to putting words in my fingers that I never typed. I know absolutely nothing about you except for your ideas on this so-called “infringement” because of a permit. If YOU, and I mean you, who goes by the alias of wild bill, is somebody that has no record or could easily pass a background check to legally be allowed to open or conceal carry, why do you even… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@BP,Wild Bill knows more about firearm related issues,constitutional/2A related issues than you ever could. Do you think we should have a license or permit to exercise free speech ? Should we have a license or permit to protect us from illegal search and seizure too ? I could go on and on. BP,you really are a moron.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

This BP som bitch sighs and says “when I get my permit” ? Too funny ! This som bit*ch is tick bit and needs an immediate mental evaluation ! STAT ! I’ve had my ‘permit’ in Texas since ’95,and have non-resident FL and AZ ‘permits’ too. And this poor pitiful bast*ard sighs and says “when I get my permit” ? Then to compound it this loser has the audacity to try and educate us ? ‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

@BP,
You say, “…you, who goes by the alias of wild bill, is somebody that has no record or could easily pass a background check to legally be allowed to open or conceal carry, why do you even care??” I care because I object to my U.S. Constitutional Civil Rights being stolen by crooked politicians and unlearned persons with the slave mentality. Once our Civil Rights are diminished, it is hard to get them back. Thus the intellectual fight must be here and now.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill,that Bill Plaisance is just another moron not worth arguing with. Like you told the moron,you don’t regulate a constitutional right with fees,licenses.permits,etc. Then of course he starts with that crap,…well you have to have a license to drive a car,hunt,..etc.,,blah,blah,blah ! THOSE AREN’T CONTITUTIONALS RIGHTS THEY ARE REGULATED ! Flying on commercial airline isn’t a constitutional right either. The right to keep and bear arms is ! Bill,don’t waste your time arguing with this liberal trash. Same crap different day ! Take care Bill !

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Yeah Tex, I give him a the first semester of Con Law in a nutshell, and don’t even get a thank you. Well I did my part for the war on ignorance and evil. Sierra 7 bravo 10 out.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Tex, I don’t know why I’m even bothering since you display the the amount of brain capacity as a wet dishrag but, fudge it, here goes nothin. If you have a permit, why are you even part of this discussion? Plus, you’ve already bowed down and and got your permit to do what you so graciously say you have the right to do without that little permit in your pocket!?!? That makes entirely no sense. You went and got your permit then you’re gonna turn righ around and bitch just because you have it. Man, really. STFU already. Each time… Read more »

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Wild bill, why do I even care about, what? I don’t know what you’re talking about when you quoted my ” he who goes by the alias wild bill” part. I’m gonna take a stab at it but I think you’re referring to when’ you thought I thought you had a criminal record and couldn’t pass a background check because you thought I was talking solely about you and not anybody in particular. You just go rught ahead and object these rules all you want. Disagree, I could care less. I don’t see anything wrong with th restrictions we have… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

BP,You plan on carrying someday ? LMFAO ! Don’t go shot yourself in the head you stupid son of a bi*tch !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  TEX

Tex, lol. You’re about as much of a Tex as them drugstore Cowboys up there in New York City.

Call me a damn liberal. FU. Just because I don’t support your agenda for a lawless and unrestricted world and just lettin’ everybody do as they damn well pleased, you have the nerve to call me a liberal. Liberals don’t even want you to have guns period, much less even carry them concealed, you ignorant [email protected]@s.

Good luck to ya there moron. Be careful with them shiny dual pearl handled 38s you probly never leave the house with. I’m out.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaisance

Holy crap, mr Tex. Lol. I guess I can see where I confused you because of this post. My bad. Still doesn’t excuse your idiocy but you get the point. But one question though….if I would have truly and sincerely insinuated i lived in New York, don’t you think I would have said, “up HERE in New York” as opposed to “up THERE in New York “??? And another thing. When I said call me a liberal, I didn’t mean I’m the general text as in, “hey you, mr Tex, I’m a liberal, call me one, I don’t care. Because… Read more »

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago

We are making progress. She will sign it I believe. It’s a battle against administrative types with claims of gloom and doom combined with sports figures and money bags who have their guns but don’t want you to have yours because they are thinking incorrectly. We heard the same claims when we got ccw of Wild West shootouts and yet nothing. We heard the same claims of countless grassy knoll kills with suppressed private land hunting and yet nothing. There of course will be a few idiots that weed themselves out quickly. Society actually benefits from their removal. Then it’s… Read more »

Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago

She would sign it so we thought, According to the Bill Information site, The Bill Died in Conference on the date of 5/19/2016

Bob E Long
Bob E Long
4 years ago

irresponsible, google open carry in OK and this outdated wrong info pops up, for those of you who dont know, this bill died in the Senate on May 19th, it never made it to the governors office, if you carry a gun without a license you are going to find yourself in serious trouble, as only a Clinton can get away with ignorance of the law. Shame you you Tulsa World, at least LINK the itty bitty paragraph to this story to let your readers know what the law is, the fact this misleading story comes up first is as… Read more »

Bob E Long
Bob E Long
4 years ago

irresponsible, google open carry in OK and this outdated wrong info pops up, for those of you who dont know, this bill died in the Senate on May 19th, it never made it to the governors office, if you carry a gun without a license you are going to find yourself in serious trouble, as only a Clinton can get away with ignorance of the law. Shame on the Tulsa World, at least LINK the itty bitty paragraph to this story to let your readers know what the law is, the fact this misleading story comes up first is as… Read more »

TEX
TEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob E Long

The entire country will be going ‘constitutional carry’ very soon ! The states that don’t like and don’t want to comply will be put out of business. They won’t have a choice,they will be forced to comply ! ‘TEXAS,LIKE A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY’ !

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
4 years ago

Way to hijack the thread so no real information can be distributed. I’ll try and get them to do an update later. Seriously guys this needs to stop.

Bill Plaisance
Bill Plaisance
4 years ago

I agree completely but I guess I apologize for stating and defending my opinion. Ive tried to leave this mind-numbing concerns behind but since I didn’t, I guess that makes me just as guilty as them.

TEX
TEX
4 years ago

Matt,it will get passed.This is just a temporary,unnecessary delay.