Passing along Fake Quotes, Rumors and Hoaxes Only Helps Gun-grabbers

By David Codrea

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Don't play into the hands of the antis by spreading fake quotes.

USA – -(Ammoland.com)-

The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine.—Abraham Lincoln

I began my review of “Proclaiming Liberty,” an indispensable reference for helping ascertain validity of “What Patriots and Heroes Really Said about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms,” with that self-parodying aphorism from some unknown wit. I wrote that review over four years ago, and that in turn cited another column warning against rumors and hoaxes from several years before.

Sometimes it’s discouraging. Each of us on the internet has access to awesome resource tools previous generations couldn’t even dream about. Yet in spite of that, and sure as clockwork, the spurious Washington “liberty teeth” maxim and the fake Hitler “This year will go down in history” boast continue to make the rounds. No matter how many times they’re discredited.

Every so often I feel compelled to throw a flag again, this latest time by seeing the above graphic, purporting to present quotes about guns from Hillary Clinton and George Washington. It’s being circulated not just by those who know it’s a hoax, but also by well-meaning gun owners who are nonetheless helping to spread two falsehoods in one post.  And the thing is, it takes less than a minute to debunk both quotes, simply by putting them into a search engine.

The Clinton quote has been exposed as a “pants on fire” fraud by Politifact. As believable as it is that she’d like to, she was never quoted in The Des Moines Register as saying she would shut down NRA and ban handguns.

Likewise, the Washington quote is false. Or at least the “editor in chief of the Papers of George Washington project at the University of Virginia” says he’s “as certain as he can be” that it is.

But wait a minute – didn’t I just get done taking Politifact to task and challenging it to reset its Truth-O-Meter needle for its analysis of gun ownership and suicide? What am I saying, believe them when they agree with me and diss them when they don’t?

No, not at all. My rebuttal offers alternative proofs that you can test for yourself against what Politifact claims. If someone wants to challenge their assessment of the Clinton and Washington “quotes,” all you have to do is come up with a copy of The Register proving them wrong.  If it can be done it should be relatively easy, as the paper has archives plus it’s got a fair amount of both hard copy and online readers. As for the Washington quote, all a defender needs do is come up with a verifiable source citation. Which library or collection did you find it in?

We may never know who put together the above illustration and turned it loose in the wild. It could be a sincere gun rights advocate who believed the “quotes” were real and thought he was doing something good by sounding the alarm.  The ones doing wrong were the ones who invented the “quotes” in the first place. Perhaps their motives were simple malice and/or just getting off on seeing how many they can dupe and how wide they can spread a hoax. They are liars seeking to erode the credibility of others, which for anti-gunners should be no surprise.

In most cases, it’s easy not to fall for that. If someone promotes a quote, or a claim or an outrageous “news story,” make sure there’s a link to a credible source. If not, either find one or don’t pass the ‘information” on.

Leave the lying and the self-delusion to the gun-grabbers. We have to be about the truth. The way things are going, critical matters may soon hinge on our ability to discern the reliability of information we send and receive.

David Codrea in his natural habitat.

About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

  • 21 thoughts on “Passing along Fake Quotes, Rumors and Hoaxes Only Helps Gun-grabbers

    1. Another “tactic” of some pro-gun bloggers is to twist the words of our enemies, Raw Story-style.
      E.g., at the Oct. 2014 memorial service for James Brady, Joe Biden said:
      “What we need is another Jim Brady who has the skill and the ability to convince those who are afraid to walk the halls of Congress to step up and do what they know is right. One will come along. It will happen. I pray that it is sooner rather than later.”
      Several conservative bloggers claimed with straight faces that Biden was praying for another high-profile shooting victim.
      #!*king idiots.

      1. Just like a few bad drunks can ruin everyone’s fun. Dumb ass conservatives feeding BS to “morons/faux patriots/haters” just to garnish votes has the same effect as the bad drunks and in no way helps the responsible gun owners.

      1. The bull dyke has already implied publicly that NRA members are terrorists and the NRA should be listed as terrorist organization ! Donald Trump needs to hammer the bull dyke relentlessly about past tyrannical statements and her position on the 2A ! That bull dyke will never be president of the United States of America !

    2. I am sorry, but I disagree with you and the “fact checker” about Washington’s Quote. Immediately they go into the same commie/socialist crap that they just can’t find anything, anywhere, but what they want to find. Sure can find that Jefferson had an affair with a slave though, can’t they ???? Sounds just like their re-write of all History to fit right into their teaching the children in schools and colleges all the commie/socialist crap ever since the Vietnam “Conflict” and NOW that bunch of commie/socialists are in the colleges and schools teaching teacher “wannabes” and more children to hate America and lying about History … and the ignorant thing about it is the people are just letting it happen !!! And if Washington did not say that, which from the History I was taught, all the people he depended on to fight and bring their own equipment to fight with, [mostly armed Citizens] seems like he did or would have, or HE SHOULD HAVE !!!!

      Yes, “we” as responsible Citizens, gun owners or not, should not spreed half trues or discredited information, but since these commies /socialists have already re-written History to their liking, not everyone has hundreds of hours to research every little statement that is made….

      AND my personal belief is that if the Founding Fathers and Citizens, whoever they may be, were alive today, they would be walking around with 2X4’s slapping people upside the head screaming “WAKE UP MORONS !!!! WHAT ARE YOU LETTING THEM DO WITH OUR DREAM ?????”

      But you all keep believing and saying, printing whatever you what, because it is the Second Amendment that provides the security of the First Amendment that gives you that right………………..

      1. I am one of your “commie/socialist” educators, but I volunteered for the Marines in 1972. There are gaps in education, but nothing like you apparently believe. And you’re right, I verify things before repeating them, and you might be surprised at the mountains of real material out there, and hard, disciplined work of historians in collecting and validating everything. Throw in advances like DNA testing, and you bet – things like 250 year old rumors about Thomas Jefferson do get confirmed.

        If that diminishes Jefferson in any way, remember that heroes (with only one exception I know of) always have feet of clay. Just like the rest of us. History is about what happened, not what we want to believe, and fact checking historical statements and getting the story right is a vital part of patriotism.

        1. Bob Cloninger: You see; you have proven my point. I said [and I will Own it] “teacher wannabes” which proves to me, if you took exception to that, then you may be one of the few “teachers” still out there. I graduated High School in 1972 and volunteered for Military Service [Air Force] shortly after that. Seeing that you are of about the same age as myself, but not knowing where you went to school, all I would do is ask you to remember what you were taught in school as compared to what you are even allowed to say in classroom today, let alone even think of teaching it. I was raised on a farm in “rural” America in what these children of today think was a “concentration camp” and we knew what “capital punishment” and the word “NO” meant. First of all, we were taught that no “man” is perfect and believing so will quickly lead to one’s downfall and the downfall of the society that would believe that. We also learned that not everyone is a hero or a winner. My service was my “duty” to my Country and was expected. “Heroes” came back in body bags. If no one ever comes in second or beyond, then why bother to try harder to be better or “the winner” the next time out ????
          I have family and know people who are teachers and in conversation what they tell me are their guide lines for teaching are to the point of laughable to me. By the way, back then, at least were I came from, “straight A students” did not go around killing and robbing people, yet every time I hear of a young person robbing or killing someone, especially if he/she got shot by an arm Citizen or police, he/she was the nicest child and was a straight a student. HUUMMMMMMMM !!!!!!!! Really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          No human is perfect, but tell me what Historical value does it have to tear a man down for the stupid or “human” traits he has, rather than focusing on the good he has done for his Country and the World ??? No, don’t bother, we could argue or discuss the issues forever and it would not matter anyway.
          I used to like to join in the conversions on some of these articles, but grow tired of seeing the same offense and defense of the same things over and over again. Please don’t take offense, I am not condemning any of your opinions, as you have a right to your opinion as does everyone, if I agree with them or not, but I have come to the conclusion that opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one and most of them stink…. And with that I am quitting Blogging as the younger generations call it. Huummmm!!! Maybe that is a politically correct word for “B*** S****ing”……

          Just making this statement about me and not referring to anyone in particular and I cannot take credit for this statement as my wife read it to me off Facebook somewhere, but I will “own” up to it, “I have to ‘Manage My Anger’ because other people cannot ‘Manage their Stupidity !!!'”

          “And that’s a rap !!!” as they used to say on the evening news when the used to report the news and not just a bunch of half trues and commie/socialist agenda commentary like they “broad cast” today………
          .

    3. Surprisingly few college students, and almost no high school students, are properly trained in research and source validation, so it’s no surprise people are easily fooled by something they want to believe. Even when I point out a fabrication, the response is frequently on the order of “Well, they should have said it”, “they probably thought it”, or “You some kind of liberal? Whose side are you on here, anyway?”

      1. And were do you get your “written in stone” facts from, I would seriously like to know, because it sure is not the history books of today and don’t make me laugh by saying anywhere on the internet … Most every so called fact is formed by somebody who wrote an article and maybe even quoted some facts from somewhere else, all of which are open to interpretation and and there are two things to remember in this day and age:
        Don’t believe anything you read and only a very, very small portion of what you see physically in person and then be skeptical….
        And Figures don’t lie, but people who lie and cheat sure figure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        1. Particularly if it’s something I want to believe, I look for three credible sources. Your skepticism is absolutely the idea – everyone has a bias and an agenda.

    4. Virtually every Founding Era arms quote, along with others relating to the Second Amendment and Bill of Rights, and the militia concept are contained in my book, The Origin of the Second Amendment, which provides literal transcripts of period documents with their source. The entire history of the Second Amendment, based upon those documents, is found in my other book, The Founders’ View of the Right to Bear Arms.

      Alan Gura, the attorney who won the Heller case before the U.S. Supreme Court, described these two books as follows: “the authoritative books on the subject [Second Amendment history] are David E. Young’s The Founders’ View of the Right to Bear Arms: A Definitive History of the Second Amendment and The Origin of the Second Amendment.”

      The link to Alan Gura’s statement at his blog, Reality Based Legislation, is:
      http://alangura.com/2014/05/national-constitution-center-event-june-4/

      At the moment, Alan’s blog website is under maintenance, and his post cannot be read. This is one of the reasons why I prefer printed books held in my own hands for documentation rather than online sources that might disappear at any moment.

    5. If she did not say, she probably thinks it or wants to say it…and her side kick, the fraud Indian from MA, Elizabeth Warren believes it!

      1. You may be entirely correct, but own it as your opinion. Stating it as a direct quote is called borrowing authority, and it’s a form of dishonesty.

      1. You must not have read the article. It clearly states that the quote is a lie and she did not say it. She may want to but has never publicly stayed that she will down the NRA

    6. I’m always gently berating others for this, and do the best I can to avoid propagating falsehoods. there’s too much of it for sure.

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