Florida Pulse Gay Bar Mass Shooting was in a Gun Free Zone

By Dean Weingarten

Pulse Nightclub Orlando Overhead
Pulse Nightclub Orlando Overhead
Dean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten

Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- Yet another Islamic terrorist mass killing takes place in a gun free zone, this time in Florida.

The mass public killing that took place in Florida this morning at the self described “Orlando's hottest gay bar“. From the pulseorlandoclub.com:

 Experience Pulse, a world of fun and fantasy. Orlando’s hottest gay bar located in the heart of downtown. Step inside Pulse and savor the taste of three unique worlds: The Lounge, Ultra Bar and The Adonis Room. Since 2004, Pulse has been serving up unmatched live entertainment and tantalizing liquid libations, courtesy of our renowned staff and entertainers. Check out our upcoming performances and join us for an exciting and unforgettable night of fun and fantasy.

It is clear that Florida law prohibits people from legally carrying guns into

Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.

Bars are one of a long list of places that Florida establishes as gun free zones.

From Florida Statutes leg.state.fl.us:

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5.  Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b)  A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.

Florida has the most concealed carry permits issued of any state in the nation, but it did the occupants of the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando no good because it is a gun free zone by state law.

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About Dean Weingarten;

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

  • 57 thoughts on “Florida Pulse Gay Bar Mass Shooting was in a Gun Free Zone

    1. “The bar entrance was patrolled by armed off-duty policeman who was subdued. The idea that alcohol-consuming patrons in a a low-light situation would prove superior should be taken with some salt.”

      The cop wasn’t subdued. He retreated. It was his job to protect the bar’s patrons, and he backed off. Then the SWAT team waited around for 3 hours, while patrons bled to death. Within the confines of the bar, it’s fairly likely that an armed and cornered patron would have shot the attacker to death or at least slowed him down.

    2. The bar entrance was patrolled by armed off-duty policeman who was subdued. The idea that alcohol-consuming patrons in a a low-light situation would prove superior should be taken with some salt.

    3. Gun free zones don’t work. In a gun free zone only the criminal will have a gun. If only one other person in that bar had a gun and knew how to use it the outcome would have been quite different.

      1. Illegal: Separation of church and state. Also: Congress shall make no law protecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. In short, pointless to talk about as it would gert overturned by the supreme court even if it did pass!

    4. Gun free zones.

      They make perfect sense. We don’t need to defend ourselves , just “wait for the police”

      How’d that work out?

    5. The shooter obviously did his homework and targeted a gun free zone….He had been a security guard for nine years..He was questioned by the FBI at least 2x . He had no criminal record…. and gun control would not have applied to him as a security guard….This is a sad situation but until we wake up and realize that we are at war with Isis and actually declare war on Isis ..we are all in danger. Obama said we were winning the war on Isis just a few months ago…really? Does not look like it to me.

    6. Even when there is a devastating event that takes place such as this one in Florida, People use it for their own agenda, and politics. That is just lame, to say it nicely. Those of you who want to arm everyone just might want to think how many more people would be buried, since people tend to panic in such situations. We don’t need a shootout in the midst of a crowd. Maybe it would be wise for places where many people gather had more security. I don’t know if that would work, because someone intent on killing and full of hate will get it done one way or another.

      1. Hmmm…someone that thinks soap comes in sticks telling us what to think. Why shouldn’t we think about why they got harmed? Is it hate to analyze the circumstances surrounding the shooting? Why would you want to choke off debate by make in baseless accusations of “preaching hate” before we make a thoughtful examination of the incident?

        1. I think that you, soapstix, are using this to push the liberal agenda, and yes, that is lame. You would replace a meaningful ability to defend one’s self with a lot of propaganda, presuppositions, and potentialities.

    7. At least the guhvmit is calling it a form of terrorism this time and not workplace violence.
      Guns don’t kill people, people that lie about bengazi kill people.

    8. 50+ DEAD…..Gun free zone stupidity. Piss poor shooting by the first responders ON the scene…allowed the isis-sunni..POS..TO DUCK BACK IN FOR MORE SLAUGHTER…DAMNED STUPID FL LAW…Also…one report MENTIONED the muslim-sunni..killer was “on their radar” ..whomever is the radar operator needs to be tried for complicity as they allowed this POS TO REMAIN FREE..GUARANTEE HIS mulim SUNNI..BUDS ARE CHEERING AND ARE INSPIRED TO KILL MORE GAYs & INFIDELS IN GUN FREE ZONES. ISIS IS CELEBRATING TOO. WAKE UP YOU DUMB-ASS LIBS TO THE ISIS SUNNI..THREAT IN THIS COUNTRY. Time to get SERIOUS!!! ALSO…TIME FOR MORE FIREARMS MARKSMANSHIP TRAINING TO KILL ACTIVE SHOOTERS…

      1. I’m sorry for those people that lost there lives its a terrible thing it should not happen in the usa!!!!
        BUT!!!!!!!!! i don’t need any high minded politician telling me that banning guns is the answer!
        the libs could not wait to turn it into a gun ban issue!! so since they did!!! do not come out and tell me that i don’t have a right to a least try to protect my family or property or innocents!!!! this to my fellow 2nd amendment believers we must stand our ground legally and not let these progressive idiots call us the murderers or say we condone violence when lts lets call it what it is a muslim terrorist!!! which by the way our fearless leader in the white house
        has failed to protect his own citizens from!!!!!!!!

      2. we’ll here they go again telling the average citizen or gun owner they don’t have the right to protect them selves!!
        because as we know barrack and company has done such a good job of protecting the home front!!!!
        for those of us that believe in the 2nd amendment i hope we will stand together and fight for our right legally and responsibly to protect our property, innocents, and family!!!!! its not legal gun owners that mass kill!! lets call it what it is muslim terriost!!!!!!

      3. I wonder if we will actually get an after action report published. The report of an explosive vest/belt might explain the delay in attacking the target quickly. Was SWAT early on the scene early and did they know how many lives were at risk if explosives were involved? Did they train for this kind of scenario – especially after Paris? Chances are that we citizens will never be informed of the true happenings – too much CYA. While we need to hold our police accountable, we also need to support them in getting the training they need.

      1. It takes men with guts willing to die for a good cause to defend justice. Power flows from barrel of a gun Mao.

    9. The only result of gun free zones is increased casualties and death. When a bad guy with a gun isnt confronted with a good guy with a gun this is the result. The peoples Right to keep and bear arms shouldn’t be negated due to location.

      •The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson
•Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of arms. – Thomas Paine
•The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed, which Americans possess over the people of every other nation. – James Madison
•Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. – Thomas Jefferson

      1. African American were deprived of right to bear arms and treated as slaves in US. Only men had right to vote until 1920 because men fought and killed with guns for their rights. Real freedom is not given ; its taken with a gun.

    10. Great another reason for Barac Osama Binladin to push for taking away our only way of protecting ourselves from these terrorists.. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the government wasn’t involved and set this up just to push for an all out firearm ban. Vote TRUMP and let’s take back our nation!! Eliminate gun free zones so we can protect ourselves from these terrorists!!!! F.U. Hilliary you psycho, you should be in jail not running for president.

      1. You are heartless and preaching hate, when you should be thinking about the people harmed instead of your politicizing it.

        1. At this point, thinking of the victims does nothing for them. A donation blood/cash may help the living. The hated insurance companies will pay for all expenses. I see we have a whole bunch of hypocrites, concerned about the victims. What ever is done is done. Let’s fix it so it doesn’t not happen again.

        2. They are dead, this is a fact. They were unable to defend themselves, this is a fact. I don’t think trump is the answer and I know Hilary isn’t! I don’t care about politics, only lives… This man was a security guard, so would have had firearms access regardless, the only way to stop him is to remove the certainty of his victims being defenseless!


        1. Stating my opinion in a public forum. There’s no way my words would ever (sway public opinion), you are proof of that. Not (homophobic), this is the United States, I believe in the land of the free. By far a (groupie) I am a U.S. Citizen and can vote for whom I choose. As to my statement about the Government you can change my words around all you like but if you think our Government hasn’t been part of some of the biggest conspiracies in the world you are the stupid one. Just do some real digging on sandy hook (I’m sure that comment got your blood boiling). Oh yeah and vote for Adolf Clintin one of the most corrupt politicians in the world, she gets caught and is still out of jail running for president. Do you think Mr Snowden was lieing? I think from your post you are the parinoid one with obviously no brain AT ALL.
          P.S. I don’t think that you should own a firearm, just my opinion.

          1. A distrust of government is a good idea.Look at Ukraine its another fake democracy run by Clinton and Victoria Newland puppets .Three hundred protesters were killed by US sponsored coup in Odessa.When US government takes your guns you can meet the same end. No one has attacked the VFW because their armed to the teeth and know how to defend themselves. Defend the Constitution. Freedom is protected from barrel of a gun held in hands of an honest citizen.


        1. yeah you wonder why they do not allow you to carry a gun in a bar… mixing guns and alcohol … what could go wrong.

          1. it’s why, in California, you can’t drink in an Stripping establishment that is full nudity…. too many men who can’t control themselves when they drink….

      4. The BATFE set up operation Fast and Furious for the admitted purpose of getting more Americans killed. The BATFE hoped that then more Americans would call for gun control. Before operation Fast and Furious was revealed to the public, I never would have thought that bureaucrats and politicians in our government would go so low as to do things hoping to get Americans killed just to forward their political agenda. So maybe…

        1. Oh yes he does!!! He wants to disarm every American citizen so he can be the next Hitler!! We will all be under Marshall Law and he will still be the pos potus for the next four years if he isn’t stopped.
          Just to clarify…the shooter took out an armed security guard at the door before he went in and was in the club for over 3 hours before he was killed. If anyone else had been armed at least there might have been a chance for some of
          those 49 to still be alive. We need less “Gun Free Zones” and more people willing to carry open or concealed.
          This massacre has more to do with terrorism than our government wants us to know about and less about guns!! It’s just another excuse for the liberal left to try to gun grab!!

    11. I expect the official narrative to unravel by sundown, much loke past false flags. We’ve already jumped from 20 dead to 50 in last hour. Minor oversight I’m sure.

      1. It appears they’ve been given the green light to make their presence known in the US,,, meanwhile, ISLAM JIHAD’s have been practicing gorilla warfare on US soil in 35 different locations, since 1984, when the first camp opened in Islamberg, NY. The FBI knows they are here. Before the US sends our troops to fight terrorists in the mideast over this tragedy or tries to disarm innocent American’s by making gun laws more strick, why don’t they focus on disarming the American based ISLAM JIHAD SOLDIER’s first? Neighboring citizen’s to these gorilla warfare camps have complained about the heavy arterial shooting that goes on at night at these camps for years and nothing is done about it. I ask WHY NOT??? http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/domestic-terrorism/terrorist-training-camps-in-the-us/660940716001

    12. Your disgusting for dancing on the blood of the dead.

      Another brainwashed NRA zombie showing his true colors.

      1. Hey ReadyforMonica16, sounds like your readyforsometherapy, for a reality check.

        You and your ignorant ilk have no problem running out to scream gun control only hours after any incident.
        That’s not “dancing on the blood of the dead”. What a hypocrite.

        Fact: Law abiding citizens lawfully licensed in Florida to carry a concealed firearm, in order to do so lawfully, would remove their firearm and leave it in the car before entering the nightclub.

        Your problem is, you can’t handle hearing the truth, and that is: that if the law didn’t prohibit them from carrying in that nightclub, the possibility exists that lives may have been save and the shooter stopped earlier. had they been permitted by law to continue to wear their firearm.

        Because it doesn’t fit your political narrative, you don’t want anyone to bring that up.
        So you attack anyone that does point that out: “Your disgusting for dancing on the blood of the dead” …and calling them… “brainwashed NRA zombies showing their true colors.”

        Here’s wishing you that someday soon you may wake up from your alternate reality.

        If you really want to be somewhere the citizenry can’t have firearms, there are places you can go. North Korea comes to mind. If you’d like to go, get me your information and I’ll buy you the plane ticket…one way. You only have to promise you won’t come back.

        1. I served my country so all Americans with or without guns have the right to live without fear of individuals that have angry issues and just loose it with irrational judgement when owning a gun. As a Marine and in the Army a rifle that was meant to kill is up to the operator to use it with the judgement of the training to use lethality against stupidity and extreme prejudice against what “our country” stands for in freedom and justice against hatred and anger brought or instigated by random rantings of individuals trying to make an egotistic. narcissistic, self-serving. as such palavering as I find some in protecting the right of a gun over the remorse or reverence of the life lost to the capability of a single bullet. The point all is missed, own a gun, don’t own a gun, when getting a gun, the first question would and should be asked,. . . will you shoot first or get shot first if you have a gun? That’s why we have the trained armed forces, who’s your war with, Americans? Then you are a terrorist!

      2. This article quoted Florida State Law. I do don’ see how that correlates to NRA or brainwashed.
        A couple other facts:
        1. It appears the shooter was a security guard with permits to carry guns. The concept of banning all guns would therefore have to include security guards, police and possibly military.
        2. The concept of a security guard at the entrance of the venue doesn’t work so well as they are the first target and at a major disadvantage as their uniform points them out as a target that needs to be taken out first.
        3. All but 1 mass shootings in the US since at least the early 50s have been in “Gun Free Zones”.

        Please do some research http://crimeresearch.org/

      3. You seem to have a negative opinion of the NRA. What’s your solution to situations like this, more gun free zones? Say what you will, you don’t see terrorists showing up at NRA rallies do you? That’s because terrorists are cowards. They need to pick targets that don’t present resistance. You think by sticking your head in the sand, this will all go away? Many Liberals are social theorists. The problem is that no matter how much you believe in a gun free utopia, it’s not going to happen. Forget about so-caked common sense gun laws. Enforce the existing laws. Your President lets illegal gun traffickers get away with breaking the law. His Justice Department reduces their sentences. Why should they stop when they just get a slap on the wrist?

        1. “That’s because terrorists are cowards.”

          Muslim terrorists are wicked. They are pitiless. But they are not cowards. In these United States, they are pitting themselves against literally millions of paid, full-time law enforcement personnel, if they get away. Given that many Muslim terrorists seem to be bent on one-way missions, I’d say they are the opposite of cowards. And that is the heart of the problem. They are heroes to a certain segment of the Muslim population. Without our vast wealth, we’d probably have to resort to collective punishment, which is more or less how Muslim countries deal with the problem. The Chinese have resorted to executing male relatives. Given their harsh treatment of the merely heterodox Falungong, it would not be surprising if these relatives were tortured to death.

    13. The shooter must have visited the gay bar before. Otherwise he could not have such high casualty count. He targeted the bar .What had happened to him at prior visit? There is much to the story that s withheld from public.

        1. I don’t think he’s trying to rationalize anything. I don’t know how you interpreted his comment that way. I think he’s just trying to get information on how the mass shooting was planned. It’s amazing how so many people interpret things wrong these days and how so many people are offended by just about everything they hear. Grow up!

          1. Imagine one guy with a rifle shooting 50 plus and killing 50 plus. Three hundred homosexuals in a bar that likely was over the capacity. If each one had thrown a bottle a glass or an ashtray or a chair, the attacker would have been overwhelmed. This is what happened when the attacker attacked the Marines in Texas. Yes those who attacked him with a broken bottle would die but they would make a sacrifice.Better to die fighting evil that tolerate evil. Was that their belief? Instead they died crawling away from shooter rather than confronting him shot in the back and head.What was the things they thought about as they died? Did they have something worth fighting and dying for? Better to die as a brave man than as a coward. Where is the honor in the way they met death?. This world needs men that oppose evil even at the cost of their lives. There is no excuse for disarming honorable men who defend the Constitution and are willing to die for what they believe, Live with honor. Die with honor. Oppose corrupt power . Do not submit, Do not fear death. Oppose the corrupt men that want you to be a coward and take away your arms. Cowards are not heroes. Every hero willing to die defending justice deserves a gun. The lone gunman stunt does not work at the VFW.

      1. Are you kidding me there is no reason at all for someone to take the lives of innocent people. And why did he have to be there before what about other mass shootings that have happen in out country did every one of those shooters been there before. This man is sick and should have the full extent of the law thrown at him. There is NO EXCUSE for what he did.

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