Impending House Gun Votes are Deplorable Concessions by Republicans to Gun-grabbers

By David Codrea

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Tell Speaker Ryan the Second Amendment isn't about hunting and to stop introducing turkeys. (Photo: Paul Ryan/Facebook)

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- “The House will vote on a counterterrorism package that will include a provision to prevent suspected terrorists from buying guns, Speaker Paul D. Ryan told Republicans on a conference call Thursday,” The Hill is reporting. “The House, when it returns next week from its July Fourth recess, will also vote on a mental health bill, sponsored by Pennsylvania GOP Rep. Tim Murphy, Ryan told his House colleagues. Republicans believe terrorism and mental illness have been leading causes of most mass shootings.”

Here’s the crux of what gun owners should be concerned about:

On the call, Ryan said it was common sense that suspects on terror watch lists should not be able to buy guns, but the Wisconsin Republican wants to be sure that any provision protects due process for people who may mistakenly be added to such lists.

Define “due process.” Is it being charged, tried in accordance with laws respecting rights, and found guilty before being denied a fundamental right? Or is it some law enforcement careerist using a secret list of undetermined sources and reliability convincing a judge or panel of unknown political sympathies that some tenuous “probable cause” alibi exists?

The same concern applies to mental health-related gun prohibitions—has the “accused” been afforded the equivalent protections of a jury trial, or is someone who may be quite learned in the field of mental health and quite ignorant and opinionated about “gun control” all that’s needed to sign off on a “no guns” life sentence?

Are we to believe the kinder, gentler Republican version will take care of that? How? In all cases? What will that cost, how will people of limited information and means be ensured equal protection, and how long will it take? Will there be recourse against wrong denials? Does anyone know of a shrink who will risk his reputation and career to sign off on a guy he previously accused of being dangerous so that he can now buy guns? What about his malpractice carrier? And ditto for judges and panels predisposed to be “anti-gun”?

Before we passively go along with all this, shouldn’t we have the specifics fleshed out?

And what of real terrorists? Assuming they actually go to an FFL and fill out a 4473 to buy a gun, wouldn’t telling one the transfer has been rejected be a big red flag to warn him he’s been made? Yeah, I know Loretta Lynch says that won’t be a problem, but she’s also the person who says she had a private meeting with Bill Clinton to talk about grandchildren.

As far as Islamist extremists are concerned, it’s fair to wonder what good bolting the barn door does once the horse is out. Why is it in the interests of U.S. citizens to let anyone into this country unless the process for doing so helps fulfill a fundamental obligation of government, “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”? And does anyone really believe Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson when he assures us they’ve all gone through “rigorous security screening”?

For some strange reason, establishment Republicans aren’t much interested in doing what needs to be done to stop the cultural terraforming that will result in an overwhelming Democrat majority once that “pathway to citizenship” has a few more lanes added.

Meanwhile, none of this refutes the observable truism that anyone who can't be trusted with a gun can't be trusted without a custodian. And that requires a finding of guilt with real due process protections in place.

The correct position for the Republicans to take on guns, since the only clear mandate is the right to keep and bear them shall not be infringed, is to reject all citizen disarmament attempts, and make the monopoly of violence cult fight for every inch. We know that’s the end game, so why cede any beachhead from which they WILL launch further attacks? Why make any concessions, even on a floor vote?  What, are we going to find out which politicians are anti-gun? We don’t already know?

Outrageously, the Republicans think they can get away with this because, sadly and outrageously (but unsurprisingly), the National Rifle Association is on board with their plans. Responding to that, a coalition of gun rights groups has put out a call urging NRA to “stop support of secret lists & gun free zones.” I urge you to read their position and add your support.

I also urge you to send the same clear and unequivocal message some of us sent wavering politicians and politically-minded “gun rights leaders” after Sandy Hook, when, as now, the timorous were convinced that we had to give up something, as if throwing a circling pack of jackals a scrap or flesh in the hopes they’ll then leave you alone is consistent with reality. Our message to them then and now needs to be:

WE WON’T STAND FOR SCAPEGOATING

NO NEW GUN LAWS

DENY SUCCESS TO MASS MURDERERS BY ABOLISHING PHONY ‘GUN-FREE’ VICTIM / KILLER-ENABLING ZONES NOW

WORK WITH US OR WE WILL WORK TO RETIRE YOU

They need to hear that message from you loud and clear.

ALSO SEE: All Versions of So-Called ‘Terror Watchlist’ an Affront to Liberty

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About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

  • 29 thoughts on “Impending House Gun Votes are Deplorable Concessions by Republicans to Gun-grabbers

    1. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/09/paul-ryan-plummets-to-43-percent-in-new-primary-poll/

      We should all support paul ryan’s challenger however we can. Liking his facebook page, giving him a donation, sharing his fb and twitter accounts, etc. He is now within 11 points of ryan in the latest poll – pretty incredible for taking on the existing speaker of the house. We can cantor this puppet for the amnesty billionaire class if we join in together these last few weeks.

    2. This is bullshit first theyu let the terrorist into the country than they want to take the guns from the law abiding citzens I say vote them the hell oput if they vote ye son this ALSO NO ONE EVER MENTIONS ALL THE GUNS THEY FOUND IN THE PARIS MOSQUES WHEN NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO OWN ANY GUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TERRORIST DO NOT CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS NEITHER DO CRIMANIALS KEEP THE CURRENT SYSTEM IN PLACE UPDATE THE CURRENT BACKGOUND CHECK SYSTEM AND STOP LETTING MUSLIM TERORIST INTO THIS COUNTRY VETTING YEAH RIGHT HOW DO THE DO THAT LETS BE HONEST THOSE COUNTRIES KEEP NO RECORDS THIER VETTING IS ARE THEY A KNOW TERROIRST LEADER HEY ARE YOU A TERRORIST NO OK THAT”S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP THE ATTACKS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE GOING TO INCREASE INCREASE NO MATTER WHAT GUN LAWS THEY PASS AND OBMAM AND HILLARY ARE GOIGN TO SUPPORT AS THEY DONE ALL ALONG THE RADICAL ISLAM FAITH AND TERRORISM JUST LOOK WHERE HER CANPAMGE MONEY COMES FROM AND HE RCLINTON FOUNDATION AN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION COMMITS TREASON AND THE ONES THE DEMOCRATS SUPPORT SUIPPORT THE TERRORIST AND IS A FELON WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN I WILL STAND UP AND DEFEND THIS COUNTRY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PRY MY GUNS FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS BETTER TO DIE FREE THEN LIVE AS A SLAVE UNDER A DICTATOR SHIP THIS COUNTRY IS ON THE BRINK OF ECOMIC COLLAPSE DO THEY CARE NOPE THEY HAVE MADE THIER MILLIONS AT OUR COUNTRIES EXPENSE !!!!!!!! ANY REPUBLICAN THAT VOTES FOR NEW GUNS LAWS SHOULD LOSE THIER JOB NEXT ELECTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE FEEL GOOD LAWS THAT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON TERRORISM OR CRIME OR MASS SHOOTIGN IN THIS COUNTRY PERIOD THEY NEED TO ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS AND ACTUALLY DO THIER JOBS FOR A CHANGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! iNSTEAD OF MAKE UP MORE BULL SHIT GIN LAWS THAT ONLY HURT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS REMEMBER THEY HATE THE SECOND ADMENDMENT BECAUSE IT KEEPS THIS COUNTRY FROM GOING INTO A DICTATOR SHIP IF THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS CAN ACTUALLY FIGHT BACK INTERESTING ISN’T IT THE MASS SHOOTING IN sc WAS STOPPED BY A CONCEAL CARRY PERSON NOT A PLOICE SWAT TEAM BEFORE ANY ONE WAS KILLED I BELIVE YET IT NOT BLASTED ON EVER NEWS CHANNEL BECAUSE THAT GOES AGAINST THIER POLITCAL ANTI GUN AGENDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i WILL NOT GO QUEITLY INTO THE NIGHT FREEDOM IS NOT FREE AND I THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRAION HAS MONEY TO RE SETTLE ALL THESE NEW MUSLIMS YET CAN’T REPAY WHAT THEY HAVE STOLEN FROM OUR SOCAIL SECURITY AND GIVE THE SENIORS A RAISE HELL HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE PICTUREE ON THE 20 BILL THE MONEY IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT WOULD EASILY COVER THE SENIOR INCREASE THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND NEVER WILL REMEMBER THE CURRNET ADMINSTRATION HAS BROKEN MORE LAWS THAN i CAN COUNT YET HE IS ABOVE THE LAW ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE ABOVE THE LAW AND THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE WHY ARE THEY ANY BETTER THAN THE WORKING MAN WHO PAYS THIER SALARY WITH THE SWEAT OF OUR BACKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3. If “suspected terrorists” are to dangerous to buy a gun, then why aren’t they to dangerous to roam our streets. If they’re to dangerous to buy a gun, then arrest them, charge them, and convict them. Get them off our streets.

    4. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS GONE TO S— IN A HAND BAG. THE ONLY WAY I SEE A CHANGE IS THAT WE ELECT TRUMP AND CAST HILLARY UNDER A RUG AND NAIL IT DOWN. WE NEED TO LIMIT CONGRESS TO NO MORE THAN 4 FOUR YEARS. THEY THEN NEED TO GET A JOB LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE AND NO MORE SALARY FOR LIFE. GUN FREE ZONES ARE ONLY A OPEN INVITATION FOR PROBLEMS. AS A CHRISTIAN AND GUN OWNER I AM EXPECTED TO PROTECT MY FAMILY AND MYSELF. GOD DOESN’T EXPECT US TO JUST ROLL OVER AND DO NOTHING. WE NEED LEADERS IN OFFICE AND NOT MONEY HUNGRY POLITICIANS WHO CARE NOTHING ABOUT THE REAL SAFETY OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND IT’S PEOPLE. “WE THE PEOPLE” HAVE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT TO CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE HEADED FOR OUR COUNTRY. VOTE FOR THAT CHANGE. LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE AND THE GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE. SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD THIS HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN. —JUST SAYING!

      1. Amen Brother! We won’t let them take our guns without a battle and really just how many cops with obey an unlawful order and take up arms against their friends and family. The military will only put up with fighting Americans for so long before desertion decimates their ranks. Obama has purged the military of any real leaders and Hillary will keep doing more of the same or worse. Their are more of us than them. We will do what we need to do.

        1. It won’t be our police that does the dirty work, it will be UN troops who will hope a pray that we resist so they can kill us. Some blogs are already saying that UN armored vehicles are moving from the ports of entry toward the different states, can’t prove it but I would not be at all surprised with what we have in power. I also do not believe that this POS intends to leave office, and we have no leaders with the balls to physically remove him. He is supposed to be increasing the fence around the White House from 6′ to 10′.

            1. FU I said I had no proof and that it was what was on some blogs. Who are you to put your self as a critic of every response ?

            2. @Vanns and RM, Gentlemen, I think that we are all like minded, so we should not let these little things turn into squabbles. When the time for armed revolution comes Vann can be on one side of me, and Ray on the other in the opening formation of the new revolutionary army. There now we can all be friends again.

          1. Raymond Miller: When you start saying “well, I have no proof BUT, I heard…” You just feed into the conspiracy theories that already abound. Why even say it unless it’s to try and stir up people? There are plenty of verifiable items out there without feeding the rumor mill.

            1. I still want to know who gave you this editorial license, It seams that you awarded it to yourself. How about you telling me and everyone else where you got the information that says my statement is a rumor. I’ll repeat that I implied that they could be rumors, but if someone reads it and has a difficult time with reading comprehension, that’s not my problem. Do you always make mountains out of mole hills ?

            2. I think with the way things are right now in our country everyone is just kind of keyed up and on edge. We are all concerned about the tyranny within our country and the spineless RINO’s in DC not doing a damn thing to stop it. It will eventually get to the point if this continues, that ‘We The People’ will do something about it ! We are living in times that we all knew in the back of our minds could possibly happen someday but we dismissed it and kind of got complacent. Most of my life is behind me,but I got kids and grandkids that are my priority concern right now. Everyone take care !

          2. Do you always make it a habit of spreading unverifiable rumors that completely detract from the original topic and lead people away from the original focus?

    5. Look, this country’s citizens allowed a Chicago leftist, an Al-Taqiyaa practicing Muslim, into the White House. Not once, but twice. It is apparent to me that Barack Barry Soetoro-Obama has broken numerous laws designed to protect this country from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Which one you choose to categorize soetoro-obama as, foreign or domestic, is not important as he is basically both. Take for just one instance….the providing of arms to the Mexican drug cartels under the Fast & Furious program of scumbag Eric Holder and soetoro-obama. Not only did no one go to jail from the soetoro-obama adminsitration but no one met their demise at the end of a rope.

      Regarding the US Congress….are there ANY of them there who believe in their oath to defend the country ? Maybe, Jeff Sessions, maybe. Beyond that they cannot be trusted. Paul Ryan as the most current example. And I thought nobody could be worse than Boehner.

      This entire government is corrupt. Prepare to defend yourselves.

    6. RINO Ryan is a POS, and not a friend of America or Americans. He needs to be removed from office in the next election.
      He has failed to execute his responsibilities as Speaker, and is nothing but an A** kisser to Obambam.

    7. Just bend over and take it because we let them get away with too much for too long. We are screwed and they know it, pushed by the anti-freedom leftist controlled media they know they can reach the end game of full disarmament one step at a time. Or start voting freedom first, if it isn’t already too late.

    8. Who pays the lawyers and court costs for an individual wrongly listed on a dont fly or dont buy list who tries to get off the secret lists? Since everything is shrouded in secrecy, what prevents a corrupt regime ( not that Americans need to worry) from stuffing the list with political enemies, as in Lois Lerners IRS targeting ? Its a sad day that I have to teach my grandchildren to never trust the government, but such is the case.

      1. “Who pays the lawyers…..costs” ?

        Well there you go Jack Bauer….basically they’re going to ban weapons by putting anyone they want on a “no buy” list.

        The answer to our District of Columbia problem lies in the nationalists returning to the ways of the French Revolution. Voting will not get us out of this mess.

    9. Outrageous! This was already defeated in the senate, so why bring it up again? Paul “amnesty” Ryan needs to be defeated in his primary next month.

      This is also why I belong to the GOA but not the nra. Everyone who is a member of the nra should bombard them with calls and emails asking why they are on board for this. And it goes without saying, but do the same to your congressman.

    10. I agree. Do Not support secret lists or gun free zones. Dictators over the years have implemented secret lists and every time they’ve done so, citizens’ rights have gone south. Due process should be observed prior to placing a name on a list, not after the fact. “Gun free zones” are nothing more than target rich environments for terrorist thugs and other criminals. Rendering a person defenseless by depriving him a reliable means of self protection is not making him safer, quite the contrary.
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    11. Apparently members of both Partys are joining up to deny ‘Due Process’. This country may as well be ‘one party rule’ if they continue this shenanigans. Maybe we should now refer to these quislings as ‘Repubocraps’? Apparently they want to Europeanize us, as in “You’re a Peon”.

      1. It already is a “one party rule” scenario. But it has absolutely nothing to do with Dems and Repubs though. They are both controlled, not by their constituents, but by the money that keeps them entrenched for 20+ years. This system allows for the rapid gate swing opinions and votes amongst the two parties….. Bush imposed No-Fly lists and Dems screamed t was unconstitutional and denied due process, but now that they want it for their own agenda it is the magical teat and Repubs are screaming about it.

        Don’t pay any attention to the man behind the curtain…..

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