Does the Recent Obama “Executive Order” Really affect your ability to do Gunsmithing?

Gene Kelly, President of AGI
Gene Kelly, President of AGI

 

If you listen to the wagging tongues, SupposedAmerican Gunsmithing Institutely all Gunsmiths are going to have to register with the State Department DDTC and pay bigfees…. Well NOT So Much….

The First Thing I want to tell you is Don’t Panic. Things are not as dire as initially broadcast widely over the internet. The Current Government would Love nothing better than to have you throw up your hands and quit Gunsmithing or stop working on your guns. In fact, this Current President has only 5 months left. So these are acts of desperation of a fading administration. After his term ends, depending on who is elected, all of this may just blow over and go away.

So in Spite of the Intent of our Ever Expanding Government, I have GOOD NEWS for Most of you!

In fact I am going to tell you; How the Recent Obama Executive Order will enable some Gunsmiths to even Make More Money!

But First – I need to tell you who I am and why our company exists. My name is Gene Kelly and I am president of the American Gunsmithing Institute.

The American Gunsmithing Institute (AGI) was Established in 1993 to Preserve the Gunsmithing Arts and therefore protect our Firearm Freedoms.  That is our mission. We have done that by training thousands of Certified Professional Gunsmiths, through our Study-at-home Professional Gunsmithing, Design, Function and Repair Courses. Plus we have created over 60 Firearm Specific Armorers Courses and Numerous Specialty Gunsmithing, Welding and Machining Courses.

The Gun Club of America (GCA) is another entity that I started over a Decade Ago to expand our ability to provide individuals that want to be True Firearm Experts with High Quality Information and resources.

But now I have to do my disclaimers:

I am NOT an Attorney. I am NOT giving you legal advice. – Each individual’s situation is different and You need to seek your own legal advice with regards to your individual situation.  I am ONLY GIVING YOU MY well researched OPINION.

With all that said I will tell you that I have already spent numerous hours over the last several days reviewing this information and checking with some of my sources.

NOW TO OUR TOPIC:

As you may have heard, the Obama Administration issued an “Executive Order”, which inspired the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) to issue new “Policy Guidance” dated July 22, 2016 on the “Applicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement for Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths”. (ITAR stands for the “International Traffic in Arms Regulations”.)

This has caused a great deal of unnecessary concern and distress in the firearm community.

But DON’T Panic! When you read the actual document you will realize:

  1. These rules Do Not apply to Hobby Gunsmiths (as they are not engaged in the “Business” of Gunsmithing)

2. Most Gunsmiths DO NOT have to Register, as long as you are not offering & perform specific tasks that are now classified as “Manufacturing” by DDTC.

3. There is an Opportunity for the Gunsmiths that do preform the services that require Registration to make more money. Keep reading to find out how.

In an attempt to clarify and illuminate the actual impact of this new “Guidance”, I have provided extracts of the “policy guidance” in quotes below. Bold and underlined emphasis is mine.

(As usual with any government agency, not everything is Crystal Clear and some areas are open to interpretation. I am only providing my opinion of what I think it says. However I am not an attorney, so this is just my opinion. If you need a legal interpretation please contact a qualified attorney).

So First The Good News: It is pretty clear that this Does Not apply to Hobby Gunsmiths that are doing their own work, as they are Not;

engages in the United States in the business of manufacturing or exporting or temporarily importing defense articles, or furnishing defense services, is required to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls under §122.2. “

So my read on this is that if you legally modify your guns for your own use and purposes, these regulations Do Not Affect You, as you are Not “in the Business of”. So take a deep breath and carry on enjoying your hobby!

It is also clear that many licensed Gunsmiths (FFL’s) WILL NOT have to Register depending on the Services that they offer. The “Policy guidance” also specifically exempts most things a Gunsmith will need to do:

“The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) has reviewed and consolidated policy guidance about whether various activities related to firearms constitute manufacturing for International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR Parts 120-130) purposes and require registration with DDTC and payment of a registration fee. DDTC has found that many – but not all – traditional gunsmithing activities do not constitute manufacturing for ITAR purposes and, therefore, do not require registration with DDTC. The following guidance is confined to DDTC’s ITAR implementation. You must also comply with all other relevant laws.”

“Registration not Required – Not Manufacturing: In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is not required because the following activities do not meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” that DDTC employs in implementing the ITAR and, therefore, do not constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

a) Occasional assembly of firearm parts and kits that do not require cutting, drilling, or machining;
b) Firearm repairs involving one-for-one drop-in replacement parts that do not require any cutting, drilling, or machining for installation;
c) Repairs involving replacement parts that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation;
d) Hydrographic paint or Cerakote application or bluing treatments for a firearm;
e) Attachment of accessories to a completed firearm without drilling, cutting, or machining—such as attaching a scope, sling, or light to existing mounts or hooks, or attaching a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle brake, or similar item to a pre-threaded muzzle;
f) Cosmetic additions and alterations (including engraving) that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation beyond its original capabilities;
g) Machining new dovetails or drilling and tapping new holes for the installation of sights which do not improve the accuracy or operation of the firearm beyond its original capabilities; and
h) Manual loading or reloading of ammunition of .50 caliber or smaller.

Activities limited to the domestic sale or resale of firearms, the occasional assembly of firearms without drilling, cutting, or machining, and/or specific gunsmithing activities that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or operations of the firearm beyond its original capabilities (as described above) are not manufacturing within the context of the ITAR. If you are not manufacturing, exporting, temporarily importing or brokering defense articles or services, you are not required to register with DDTC. “

So if you are Not offering Services that constitute “Manufacturing”, then you are exempt! They say it directly in the “Guidance” quote above.

Also some firearms are not covered by the ITAR.  So if the firearm is Not a “Defense Article” then it is not covered by this regulation. What exact firearms are “Defense Articles” is not clearly covered in the provided “guidance”. The definitions listed in the regulations on their website appear to be pretty broad to cover many firearms. You can check directly with DDTC to see if a type of firearm is an ITAR firearm.

(However if a firearm is not covered by the ITAR, then their regulations do not apply):

“ Because the GCA (Gun Control Act of 1968) is intended to cover a broader scope of domestic activity than the AECA, the ATF regulations define the term “firearm” more broadly than the ITAR. As a result, not every firearm controlled by the ATF regulations is also controlled by the ITAR.”

“Persons who do not actually manufacture ITAR-controlled firearms (including by engaging in the activities described below, which DDTC has found in specific cases to constitute manufacturing) need not register with DDTC – even if they have an FFL from ATF. “

“DDTC has found that many traditional gunsmithing activities do not constitute manufacturing for ITAR purposes and, therefore, do not require registration under the ITAR, particularly where such activities do not require cutting, drilling, or machining and do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or operation of the ITAR-controlled firearm beyond its original capabilities.”

So there are another large percentage of Gunsmiths that Do Not need to Register with the DDTC.

It is very clear though that, other common Gunsmithing services Would require a Gunsmith to Register according to this “guidance” if you are “manufacturing” firearms that are covered by the ITAR.  This could include; cutting, drilling, or machining, or improving the accuracy of the firearm beyond its original capabilities.

But use common sense. For example mounting a scope might improve the accuracy of the shooter, but it Does Not improve the inherent accuracy of the firearm.

But here is where they say it they say the difference is;

“ Required – Manufacturing: In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;

b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;

c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);

d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;

e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;

f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;

g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and

h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.

The primary effect on the Gunsmiths that Do want to offer those services on ITAR Controlled Firearms that the DDTC claims falls under their purview, is that they will have to fill out a form and pay an annual fee of $2,250 as a registration fee. It’s just a fee to register and is required even if you do not intend to export. Actual exporting requires specific permission from the DDTC.

In my opinion this is just typical expansion of the law beyond it is intended purpose, so as to create a vehicle for harassment and financial burden on the firearms industry. With an overall goal to further suppress gun ownership if you let it.  All of this may pass away if the right individual is elected to the Presidency.

But another way of looking at this is that it is that for Gunsmiths that want to do this type work or provide those services, it is simply just an additional “cost of doing business” that only works out to less than $200 a Month. This is not really such a big deal in the overall scope of things if you actually do have to register.

Gunsmiths that do work that falls under these regulations will just have to raise their prices and be a bit more professional in operating their businesses. (Part of what we teach at AGI is how to Make Money Gunsmithing, through the appropriate application of best business practices).

I think a simple solution for Gunsmiths that Don’t Want To Register, is to job out any of the work in the Above “Guidance” that is “manufacturing” to Gunsmiths that ARE Willing to Register.

One Possible Example: Gunsmith “A” does all of his non-registration required work as outlined in the “DDTC Guidance” and when he gets in a project that falls into the “manufacturing”, he lets the customer know that he is sending that to a “DDTC Registered Gunsmith”, subcontracts it to Gunsmith “B” who is “Registered” who then receives and does the work, and then sends it back to Gunsmith “A” who makes a mark-up on handling the transaction.

Gunsmiths that Specialize in Barreling & Accurizing work are going to probably end up making more money as a result of the new restrictions. As always less competition equals opportunity to raise prices.

Our company intends to Register and I will share with you what we learn from the process. We also are retaining a law firm that specializes in this area of activity.

But you may or may not want to wait to register (if required) to see what happens in the November Election. – If Trump is elected this entire problem may go instantly away. So again, don’t panic.

Hobbyists are not affected and half to 2/3’s of Gunsmiths are not required to register, depending on the services that they offer.

We will be monitoring this to see where it goes. Hopefully the NRA, National Shooting Sports Foundation and other groups can get Congress to clean up this mess by exempting Domestic manufacturing with intent for domestic sales and the related “Gunsmithing” aspects.

But for now, I want to assure you that there is no reason to “Jump out of the window”.  It appears that Many, if not Most of you, who want to or are doing Gunsmithing are already exempt from this Registration process.

What I have stated is only my personal opinion after a careful reading of the DDTC issued “policy guidance”, I am of course NOT an Attorney and I am NOT offering legal advice, only my personal opinion after having read the information distributed by the DDTC. If you have specific questions, seek qualified professional legal advice.

Now I am going to give you my Political Opinion.

Quite honestly, unless we all work hard to elect Trump, (like him or not), we will end up with a lot worse than this crippling the industry and destroying our freedoms. Hillary is toxic and will ruin the country for the rest of our lives and beyond, just with her control of the appointments to the Supreme Court.

Let alone all the other decisions and appointments that she would make. We need to give people the backbone to vote against her and to vote for Trump. We also need to open our wallets and support Trump and maintain a Republican House & Senate. I would hope that Trump would unwind many of these executive orders and overreaches.

The fact that the Elites on both sides are so wound up and don’t want him is enough of a contrarian reason alone for me to vote for him.

But personally….The sweetest revenge is to make money!!

At AGI we have consistently provided knowledge and assistance to Gunsmiths on how to make Money Gunsmithing. We have provided specialty courses and even include “The Money Makers” with our Professional Gunsmithing Courses to help Gunsmiths start making money as soon as they have their FFL.

I want to help more Gunsmiths & FFL Dealers Make Money.  I want them to Survive and Prosper. Our Country Needs Gunsmiths and FFL Dealers! Part-time Gunsmiths that properly run their business should be making a minimum of $1-2 K per month and Fulltime Gunsmiths who work efficiently the way we teach them are capable of making as much as a $100,000 a year or more. As a number of our students do. You need to Survive AND Prosper.

If you are not yet a Certified AGI Gunsmith, and don’t yet have your FFL, Now is the time to enroll the Professional Gunsmithing Course and Apply for your FFL while it is still easy. Get on the inside now, in case things don’t go our way in the election. People on the Inside always find a way to get by.

I hope that this has been helpful to you. If you want to get more information on how to become a Certified Gunsmith, go to: www.AmericanGunsmithingInstitute.net or for Armorer Courses www.AmericanGunsmith.com

Best regards,

Gene Kelly
President
American Gunsmithing Institute (AGI)

  • 64 thoughts on “Does the Recent Obama “Executive Order” Really affect your ability to do Gunsmithing?

    1. Everybody has gotten all worked up about ITAR and the Munitions List, but there’s a very important detail that’s getting left out: the ITAR does not apply to gunsmiths or manufacturers of domestic firearms not intended for export.

      I’ve read The ITAR sections defining things, as well as the munitions list (§120.1), who must register (§122.1) and so on.

      I learned in law school that you can’t just read the body of any statute or regulation; if you want to understand what it says and how it applies, you also have to follow the trail through any cited authority, especially where there is an empowering statute. Not looking at cites is a common mistake by lazy lawyers who don’t read everything, and laypersons who don’t understand how these things are put together and don’t realize that one of these “pursuant to” references can change the entire meaning of a document. (People who answer phones at the State Department, BATFE, etc. tend to resemble the latter group. If they were lawyers or legislative consultants they wouldn’t be answering phones.) It’s also a way for journalists and others with a particular agenda to purposefully misinterpret or misapply a document such as this.

      I apologize for the length of this post, but in order to understand this issue, you have to look at all of it, not just a couple of pages from certain scary-looking parts.

      First, look at the munitions list, where it seems to empower the President, via SecState, to require ITAR registration for almost any gunsmith or manufacturer:

      Ҥ 121.1 General. The United States Munitions List.
      (a) The following articles, services and related technical data are designated as defense articles and defense services pursuant to §§ 38 and 47(7) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778 and 2794(7)”

      That list goes on to talk about firearms, ammunition and so on, and if you stay within the four corners of the document, you get the impression that anybody doing anything has to register with ITAR.

      BUT… if you look at those two sections of the legislation (§§2278 & 2794 referenced in § 121.1 of the ITAR), you find that these sections, and all powers the President derives from them, relate specifically and are limited to import/export of “defense items” as related to military applications. Further, there is language sprinkled around making it pretty clear that this is stuff with no “civilian equivalent.” (If you want to read it for yourself, go to http://uscode.house.gov/search/criteria.shtml and search for them there.)

      22 USC 2778 is from Chapter 39-Arms Export Control, Subchapter III – Military Export Controls.
      (a)(1) “Presidential control of exports and imports of defense articles and services, guidance of policy, etc.; designation of United States Munitions List…”
      “That provision authorizes the President “to control the import and the export of defense articles…”

      The President is authorized “to designate those items which shall be considered as defense articles and defense services for the purposes of this section and to promulgate regulations for the import and export of such articles and services. The items so designated shall constitute the United States Munitions List.

      The purpose of the section is right in the title of 22 USC 2778: “Control of arms exports and imports.”

      Now look at Section (b) – Registration and licensing requirements for manufacturers, exporters, or importers of designated defense articles and defense services.

      This says “As prescribed in regulations issued under this section, every person … who engages in the business of manufacturing, exporting, or importing any defense articles or defense services designated by the President under subsection (a)(1) shall register…”

      Okay, follow that? What that means is that all the language about firearms, gunsmithing and manufacturing everybody is so worked up about is strictly and specifically limited to matters of the import and export of military weaponry in the section (a)(1), the power of the President “to designate” is “for the purposes of this section” which is “to promulgate regulations for … import and export…”

      The registration requirement refers directly back to (a)(1), which limits the scope to import and export of military weaponry. The registration provision is defined by and must include that language in its scope and application.

      The upshot is that none of this applies to domestic, non-military manufacturing, much less gunsmithing. Nothing in the statute empowers the government, much less the President by Executive Order or via the State Department, to regulate domestic firearms manufacture, unless it somehow relates to the import/export of military equipment, hardware, etc. That is how you get the interpretation about not having to export directly, whether a person has an FFL, etc. But the scope and intent of the legislation is clearly intended to apply only to the international arms trade, and there is no reasonable way to interpret it in terms of regulating domestic-market (i.e., non-military) firearms manufacture. I can see an argument about suppressors, but given that there is a “domestic equivalent” for civilian suppressors, that’s pretty shaky if a manufacturer does not – or by law may not – export.

      If you don’t believe me, read it yourself:
      §§120, 121 & 122 of the IFAR

      Title 22-FOREIGN RELATIONS AND INTERCOURSE, CHAPTER 39-ARMS EXPORT CONTROL, SUBCHAPTER III-MILITARY EXPORT CONTROLS.

    2. I love the term “hobby gunsmiths” as if there is such a thing.
      Sort of like hobby HVAC repairmen, hobby plumbers or electricians.
      AGI has billed itself as a stepping stone to a career in gunsmithing. Although I’m sure that many hobbyists buy AGI videos, why would someone spend thousands of dollars on a complete AGI gunsmithing program and not expect to get something out of it other than working on your own guns?

      I have nothing but the greatest respect for Mr. Kelly and his crew at AGI, but his spin on this situation is that essentially this isn’t a big deal. That may help sell AGI videos, but it’s totally the wrong answer. It is a big deal and he knows it. What “we” should be doing is reaching out to our elected officials and try to get some movement on the various bills introduced into the House of Representatives to nullify this “guidance” and to strip the authority to impose such regulation on domestic goods from the state department. What “we” should be doing is raising among gun owners and those that are interested in gunsmithing and not downplaying things. “This has caused a great deal of unnecessary concern and distress in the firearm community.” Unnecessary concern? I think the concern is pretty damn necessary for those of us that actually try to make money working on guns!

      Mr Kelly, it would be in your best interest to delete this article and become part of the solution and stop being part of the problem, before you destroy any credibility you might have left.

    3. This is not a matter to be taken lightly. The repercussions of I.T.A.R. Regulation violations can range up to $1,000,000.00 not to mention the time in Club Fed.
      I am/was a working Gunsmith. I built my business over 15 years and I am well respected in my region.
      The author of the article needs to understand this “Guidance” letter thoroughly BEFORE making any assertions or statements pertaining to it.
      I paid an I.T.A.R. Compliance attorney a tidy sum and consulted with 2 Industry Compliance Officers for interpretation of this document.
      To the letter of the document- if you so much as take file to metal and remove metal, you are a “Manufacturer” as defined in the Guidance document.
      If you charge a fee just once, you are considered “In Business” as defined in the document.
      Even if you have no intention of ever exporting, you must “Register” (See “Extortion).
      The BATFE is of no assistance on this one, the two IOI’s that I spoke with were not aware of this document, felt it was unwarranted and excessive as well. But, to meet BATFE compliance you MUST comply with ALL Federal, State and local regulations.
      This is one thing I have a real difficulty with, BATFE regulates “Commerce in Firearms”, they define when and what class of License is required to be engaged in business. And yet another totally separate governmental entity can capriciously and arbitrarily redefine what is considered “Manufacturing”.

      This is the direct result of this Administration’s assault on the 2cnd Amendment.
      Remember post Shady Hook when the POTUS tried to shove gun control through Congress and failed? He flat made the statement that if he could not get gun control legislatively he would get it via regulation.
      This is the direct result of those famous 23 Executive Orders he was so proud of.

      1. It’s been a while since I read through the above letter, but if I remember correctly, he neglected to state that the State Dept. has the power to charge the $2250 fee retroactively. I’m also a licensed gunsmith. I got my license four years ago with the intentions of building it up slowly by word of mouth over time so I could have a decent little cottage business when I get near retirement age. Get a bureaucrat on a power trip with a hair across his ass and I could have to pay $9000. Your case it could be $33,750.

        They even worded it so drop in parts could be a violation by adding “anything that improves performance”

    4. It is high time that we the gun owners of this country openly and notoriously defied these orders that clearly seek to infringe our rights under the 2nd Amendment. Northern NY county Sheriffs refuse to send their deputies against otherwise law abiding citizens to enforce that states SAFEACT. Enough!

    5. Sorry Mr. Kelly, but you are what Lenin called a “useful idiot”. Please don’t take it personally. There are many like you in our Country, both Republicans and Democrats, who naively believe that things will be alright, no matter how bad they are. The Secular Progressive (Communist) in our Country will not stop until all firearms are out of the hands of private citizens. If you want to see the blueprint for the future of our Country, read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”. Our current president and possible future president are both disciples of Mr. Alinsky.

    6. While I am a fan of Capitalism,using spurious government regulation as the reason/excuse to raise your prices doesn’t serve your customers, yourself or the industry you represent. Shame on you.

    7. I had my FFL and my local ATF agent told me if I was to add a laser or a scope or anything to an AR I was classified as a manufacturer and must file as such. So it doesn’t only mean drilling or anything else..

    8. So, if I ask a gunsmith to drill and tap holes and mount a rail so that I can attach a Doctor’s optical sight, which I hope will considerable improve my accuracy with the weapon?
      Listen Pal, my heart goes out to you that after all of your years of hard work, your Gunsmith Training Business is now looking into the deep dark bottomless pit of extinction. And, while I agree that some of what they are doing does not apply to some aspects of gunsmithing, the bottom line is that the gray areas you refer to, can just as easily be interpreted by those enforcing this regulation in the exact opposite way that you have, which means the total destruction of the lives of those that will be made examples of.
      You better be praying every day that it’s Trump in the Whitehouse.

      1. I am in total agreement. I am ready to march on Washington right now. I want to march armed and take our country back from these tyrants that think of us as their children needing their protection .. I am ready to throw them all out on their asses. 8 yrs maximum for any politician to hold office and when their done no more health insurance on the people’s back and no more pay. They’ll have to get jobs and normal health insurance like the rest of us.

    9. Chip – chip-chip and soon the Island is chipped away. I believe Churchill said something like if one stone is thrown into the sea then England is less. This is far from correct but I believe the idea is there. Every time a freedom is taken away, we have fewer freedoms left and are one step closer to Marxism/Communism.

    10. Gene, Why don’t you just pucker up and kiss it while you pay your fee ?

      First, they came for the gunsmiths who manufacture, but I don’t manufacture so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gunsmiths who accurize, but I ……… Then they came for the gunsmiths who correct head spacing, but…….

      Gene, What part of Martin Niemoler’s words do you not understand.

      First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Socialist.

      Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

      1. It is very clear to me that this is targeted directly at those who finish 80% lowers. They will use it as a way to significantly chill the demand for building your own unregistered firearm at home. Just wait & see if this is not one of the first uses of this law to prosecute someone.

    11. Somehow I suspect this whole article is one giant load of idiocy and BULLSHYTE; The EO was an ILLEGAL UNJUSIFIED usurption of power that IS NOT granted to the traitor in the white house and is an out and out violation of the 2nd Amendment.
      Gene Kelly;
      GO get your head extracted.

    12. > … you can expect a UN Army of Occupation …

      Not to worry. The blue helmets tend to stand out of the way every where they are employed. Its much safer to be an observer than to engage in the fire fight. The only thing the blue helmets are good at is rape and with all of the armed citizens in the USSA, that is an unlikely scenario because, again, they are good at being observers but unwilling to put their own lives on the line.

        1. Actually it should be UZSA, United Zionist States of America. It is not Socialism that we are being overrun with, it is the control of the Zionist elitists. They are the ones whose agenda is to collapse all of the world’s economies and currencies so they can usher in a one world order where they have complete control over the world’s money, assets, and populations. They use socialism to get a nation indebted to them.

          1. Are you a Nazi or just an anti-semite ignorant fool ? The global powers have a serious lack of Jews. The UN is anti-Israel and anti-Jew. Maybe you meant to post this crap on the Aryan Brotherhood web site. It has no place here.

            1. First of all you show your ignorance by confusing zionism with being a Jew. Zionists are ant-God and use the Jewish people as their crutch to push their globalization agenda. Secondly, The Jews are NOT God’s chosen people, that is a misinterpretation of scripture/lie that that zionists continue to push to convince Christians to support Israel. The nation of Israel is NOT of God, it a created by zionists. God cursed the Jews and threw them out of Israel and said he would not let them return until they repented. Well guess what, they have NEVER repented. Jews do NOT believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and refer to him as a bastard. Try watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k it explain everything according to scripture!

            2. Tex, You need to put DNR on your forehead. A vast majority of the life saving technologies used to save lives were invented by Jews. Cardiac defibrillators, vaccines, cardiac pacemakers, and more come from Jewish or Israeli companies.
              That computer you are using is based on a computer processor (Intel 8088) that was designed in Israel. USB thumb drive technology, instant messaging, even Google are Jewish inventions. The Desert Eagle, Uzi, IMI Tavor, Galil and others are some of the finest weapons made.
              The basic technology used for cell phones was invented by a Jewish woman, Heddy Lamarr.
              Drip irrigation is a Jewish invention.
              A Jew founded the company that developed the first surveillance satellite camera that was also used on the U2 and SR-71. It was a huge contributor to ending the Cold War.
              You better go learn some Jiu Jitsu before somebody Krav Maga’s your Jew hating butt.
              Go find a cave in the mountains and two sticks to rub to together to start a fire because you can’t spit without coming into contact with a Jewish invention. If you get hungry, just think of all the agriculture advances that were developed by Jews. Maybe that will fill your belly. If not, just bend over and assume the nuclear bomb position. Put your head between your knees and kiss you butt goodbye. Oh yeah, The nuclear bomb was invented by a Jew.
              Yes, the Jews are taking over the world, with their inventions that make every day modern life possible.

            3. Idadho, WOW so there’s a few things that “Jews” have done, yet there are millions of technologies and discoveries that have improved the world. Additionally, being a “Jew” has nothing to do with it, considering that you can be considered a Jew by genealogy or by religious conversion. So your whole point is POINTLESS, and shows your ignorance!

            4. @Idadho, I have a KJV. Where do I find this mention of unicorns in the KJV that you mentioned?

            5. Actually, Wild Bill, it is mentioned. I provided the info in the chain of comments containing unicorn. Idadho is like the idiots who can’t understand that the definition of Natural Born Citizen in the Constitution is the one known in the 1700’s not present day; equally the word unicorn in the bible comes from the definition that was relevant at that time, not the imaginary one of present day. This idadho is a loser with a large L!

          2. Rattler, Answer a simple question. Do you believe in unicorns ?
            We have plenty of problems in the world as globalists pursue their agenda. Zionism is far down the list and only of interest to the conspiracy theory followers. Revelations say these things will happen.

            1. Actually I do believe in unicorns – the narwal is a unicorn and well known arctic inhabitant.
              What is obvious is fools on the left always use the word(s) “conspiracy/ conspiracy theory” when they cannot disprove facts, they never call it a lie (because they know it isn’t and eventually may have to admit it is true). Zionism is the tool that Satan is using to achieve what God tells us about in Revelation, so it is quite high on the list. If we had been vigilant when this zionism first appeared and stopped it, we would not be in the mess we are in; and it has affected the entire globe. Of course, we are not able to change biblical prophesy.

            2. A narwal is a whale with a tusk. A unicorn as I am referring to is a 4 legged animal.
              So, you think we can overcome God’s timing ?
              Are you trying to imply that I am a fool on the left ?
              Did I ever mention conspiracy ?

            3. So I guess you believe in unicorns considering that you claim they are only four legged animals! Of course the break down of the word uni (one) and corn (horn) doesn’t specify as you didn’t!

              You really don’t comprehend well, do you? When did I say we came overcome God’s will? I said, “we are not able to change biblical prophesy.”

              Did you mention conspiracy? Let me quote you since you can’t even remember what you say, “…and only of interest to the conspiracy theory followers.”

              Yes I’m implying you’re a fool and on the left. It is blatantly obvious considering you don’t even know the definition of a unicorn, can’t comprehend what others write, and can’t even remember what you write. You’re a FOOL!

            4. You must believe in unicorns of the 4 legged kind. The ‘authorized’ KJV mentions them. Just one of many errors in the KJV.
              So, what is the difference between being vigilant and stopping zionism and not changing bible prophecy ?
              Interesting how KJO’s and others like you call anybody who does not agree with them leftists. Is salvation reserved for only those who believe in KJO ? Or, only for those who believe in Replacement Theology ? So many tilt at windmills based on cultish beliefs. They don’t even realize how much they sound like students of Alinsky.

            5. The more you open your mouth the dumber you look. Here is a complete explanation in the bible: NONE of the verses says anything about four legged or horse-like. But an idiot like you will still argue because you are not intelligent enough to understand plain language!

              Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.”

              Numbers 24:8 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.”

              Job 39:9 “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”

              Job 39:10 “Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?”

              Psalms 29:6 “He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.”

              Psalms 92:10 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”

              Deuteronomy 33:17 “His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

              Psalms 22:21 “Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.”

              Isaiah 34:7 “And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.”

              Unicorns are not mentioned in any of the modern translations. Only in the King James version are they mentioned. Most of the modern translations say “wild ox.” Some translations even say “buffalo.”

              However, many Christian apologists are insistent that the King James Version is the most accurate of all the English translations. So because of this, some people, especially atheists, like to scoff at the Bible and make fun of it as a book of myths and fairy tales.

              However, it is important to understand that the definition of the word “unicorn” has changed over time.

              If you get an old 1828 Noah Webster’s Dictionary, which is the very first edition dictionary that Webster came out with about 200 years ago, and look up the word “unicorn” it says:

              Unicorn – An animal with one horn; the monoceros. this name is often applied to the rhinoceros.

              (This 1828 dictionary can be accessed free online. Just go to Google.com and type in “Noah Webster 1828” and it will be one of the first links that pop up.)

              Notice how this 200-year-old definition of the word “unicorn” says absolutely nothing about a horse. It says nothing about a horse-like animal, or a mythical animal, or a fictitious creature. It says absolutely nothing about mythology whatsoever. But rather, it says that this is a name that is often applied to the rhinoceros.

              Now, anyone who has ever seen a rhinoceros knows that a rhino has two horns — a larger one up front, and a smaller one behind. So, how could a rhinoceros be considered a unicorn?

              Well, if you look up the word “rhinoceros” in the same dictionary it says:

              Rhinoceros – A genus of quadrupeds of two species, one of which, the unicorn, has a single horn growing almost erect from the nose. This animal when full grown, is said to be 12 feet in length. There is another species with two horns, the bicornis. They are natives of Asia and Africa.

              According to Noah Webster, back in the early 1800’s it was understood that there were two species of the rhinoceros. The one-horned species was called “unicorn,” and the two-horned species was called “bicornis.”

              Today it is understood that there are five species of the rhinoceros, three of which have two horns, and two of which have one horn.

              So basically, if you get a 200-year-old Noah Webster’s dictionary and look up the word “unicorn” it says “rhinoceros,” and if you look up the word “rhinoceros” it says “unicorn.” That was just 200 years ago. The King James was translated 400 years ago in 1611. One does not have to be good at math to figure this out.

              Today’s definition of the word “unicorn” says absolutely nothing about a rhinoceros, and today’s definition of “rhinoceros” says absolutely nothing about a unicorn. The definitions have changed over time.

              So, if the definition of “unicorn” has changed in just the past 200 years from rhinoceros to horse, then it doesn’t make much sense to take a modern definition of the word “unicorn” and apply it to a 400-year-old translation of the Bible. That’s illogical.

              As a matter of fact, even today the scientific name of the Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Rhinoceros unicornis. And Diceros bicornis is the scientific name of a two-horned rhinoceros called the Black Rhinoceros. Where do you think those scientific names came from?

              Well, they came from the Latin. Unicornis and bicornis are Latin words. That’s interesting, because If you look up Psalm 92:10 in the Latin Bible, the Latin word that is being used here is the word “unicornis.”

            6. Look it up. Unicorns are mentioned 6 times in the KJV. King James even changed Yakov (Jacob) to James as an act of self-importance. When I need to do deeper study, I refer to the Greek and other manuscripts. They are so much better than KJV.

            7. Rattlerjake continues to show his conditional understanding of Scripture. He denigrates people in ways that defy God’s commandments. The self-righteous KJO crowd commonly denigrates those they disagree with as they pat themselves on the back. So similar to what Alinsky teaches.

      1. Yep, mines not showin up either. It was a bit fiery. Patrick Henry surely would not disapprove. We’ll see if it shows up, but Veto/Nullification by mass citizen non-compliance and unified state/local govt. intervention (harsh penalties for attempts to enforce) is the answer.
        Couple of interesting articles to read that cover the concept (and the related concept/tactic of Jury Nullification/Veto By Jury:
        http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/12/non-compliance-is-nullification/
        http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Jury+veto
        We are not subjects of the U.N., nor are we subjects of “The State” (the U.S. government). We own the U.S. government and they work for us. It’s time for buckets of “You’re Fired” to be poured on DC, a massive, broad, and deep purge. If not we, for all practical purposes, lose our country, it’s more than a potentiality.

    13. Be very careful that you understand the article above. If you take any payment or trade for your services you are in the business. Like doing a favor for a friend and they give you something. Or you say if you pay for parts I’ll do the work.

      Sound crazy? Every year over 5,600 people get hit with taxes from the IRS for not reporting income. Think that the IRS and ATF and State Dept. don’t talk?

      People need to wake up. Do not trust your government or the politicians that are in Washington today. NONE OF THEM! I have yet to hear any politician come back from their first time in Washington and tell anyone about all the corruption in the system and how they will fight it. They usually pick one or two talking points and try to address it with more legislation. Vote the bums out. Keep voting them out until the system is fixed. People are mostly dumb animals and take the path of least resistance. Well it’s time to show them that that doing the right thing, not just saying it, is what you’ll vote for.

      My example is Ben Sass. What a waste of a carbon life-form and he is touted as one of the best conservatives in
      D.C. He has given away more stuff (in other words more of your money) to his friends and contributors than 40% of his pears. Look up and see all the bills that he voted for. He votes to give money to corporations and not giving it back to the people. This is what happens when someone buys you with campaign contributions.

      Look at your congressmen and congress women! Then vote. Replace them every 2 or 6 years to have them get the message that it’s not a career but a short term job. Right now they do not fear or work for you. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE!!!!!! Oh you must negotiate. So let’s see them negotiate their pay and benefits away!

      1. I totally agree! When you apply for a FFL (this is left out by mr. kelly), your saying that your in the business to “make a profit”. So your not a hobbyist, your a business person and in order to do gunsmithing for others you have to have a FFL, legally that is. So Im not really sure how Mr. Kelly can say that your not in business. Further, Mr. Kelly state that he will register, which sounds like giving in and following a rule that is obviously an over reach of government power. If AGI is so vast and successful, why not join with the NRA and every member to fight it and get it over turned BEFORE hoping that hillary wins and get our elected officials working for us instead of their next book? Fight the wrong, stand up now, not later. Get someone to lead our cause in the RIGHT direction now vs later……thats how we get officials to wake up NOW!.

        1. jeff,
          If you were to replace all five uses of ‘your’ with the contraction ‘you’re’, your post will make more sense. Maybe you are using SIRI to post your comments. I bet SIRI gags when she hears firearm terms.

    14. Maybe we should all register, and overwhelm the system. Leave one or two thing off, by accident, so that the bureaucrat reviewing the document has to send it back. Maybe smudge something so that it is illegible. Hey, where do we get this paperwork, anyway? Oh and remember to wait to file your federal income tax on the afternoon of the last day this year, and pass the word.

      1. Air conditioning repairmen are already federally controlled. They have to pass EPA 608 certification.
        But, there is not a 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear air conditioners or automobiles.

      2. Wild Bill, The feds would love your $2250 registration fee along with all of the other personal information they would gather. I doubt many have $2250 laying around to send to the feds just to bog the system down in incomplete applications.

        1. @Idadho, Well, make lots of informational errors and send the applications COD. When are you going to invite me to that kids birthday party? I have lots of good jokes that I have heard over the years.

    15. I am upset with this order. I still have wonder if you could send out a bad part to a local machinist to make you a new one? Thank you for the information. I have been looking to get started in guntil smithing.

      1. This is the insidious nature of these things. Technically no you cannot. The reality 99.999% of the time it will not be an issue. It’s when they want to investigate you for something that it be comes a problem. If they find out you had “parts manufactured” they will go after the machine shop in the name of your investigation. The shop has now committed a Federal crime and you aided. I was interrogated when my neighbors dog got hit by a car. They were talking to all the neighbors, but Police came by asked If I knew anything, I said no. They noticed my sidearm. Then asked if I liked him, or not. That’s when the flags went up. That’s how innocuous it will start.

    16. @Lowell – If it gets that bad you can expect a UN Army of Occupation provided by ‘Banana Republic Dictators’ from around the world. Right now believers in UN globalism are holding the ‘reins of power’ in America. They’re doing everything they can to divide the American people. ‘Executive Orders’ are part of the strategy since they undermine the ‘rule of law’. Was any of this “Hope and Change” on a ballot question? Was any legislation that Republicans proposed able to get past Barry and his veto pen?

    17. Gene,

      Don’t panic or worry? Seriously?

      This executive order is another direct assault on the second amendment. That is all it is. They are redefining, by executive order, the nature and definition of gunsmithing. He who controls the words controls the ideas. He who controls the ideas controls the actions. He who controls the actions controls the people.

      Every gunsmith in America should be livid at this and do all they can to rid this regulation through every legal channel possible, not be complacent with more regulation and fees and not simply see opportunity for less competition and more money. What a dispicible idea you propose there. The Feds will continue to slowly and methodically change definitions, add regulations, add fees, and eventually put all gunsmiths out of business. And if you do not believe that is a long term goal of those who really control this administration then, well, you will remain complacent with their bit by bit removal of our second amendment and may be surprised when it not longer exists.

      Don’t panic… Don’t worry… They just turned up the fire again under your water pot, Gene, and you are about to boil, just like the frog, without even realizing. Again, another victory against your constitution through unconstitutional methods and you say don’t worry. Chipping away… Chipping away… You are correct in that you should not jump out the window, but you should at least get out of the damn pot.

      1. How can the government pick out one specific group of people and penalize them. Is my opinion that this law should also apply to auto mechanics air conditioning mechanics and so forth, are they not in the business of repair and replacement and Improvement.

        1. @Dean, The “government” is not doing this. Obama is doing this. The bureaucrats in the executive branch follow Oblabla’s orders to remain employed, and get their pensions.

        1. It won’t happen. Conservatives will not rise up, they have been programmed to be passive and perfectly law-abiding. It will take a major chaotic occurrence to get them off their asses, by then it will be too late (already is too late)! When SHTF it will not be to recover our nation it will be every man fior himself in a fight for basic survival!

        1. You know, Rattlerjake, I’m inclined to agree with you. A literal reading got the text is fine for those inclined to abide by it. When the ATF comes knocking on your “home gun-smithing” hobby with a “letter” that magically makes you a manufacturer of ITAR Controlled firearms, even if they’re wrong, you still have to go through the motions. If they win, then a precedent is set.

          1. Just remember the old saying, “Loose lips sink ships”. They can’t find or control a “hobby” that “doesn’t exist”.

            As well there will always be those who will fall to a tyrannous government,it is inevitable and unpreventable, yet in the long run it will be worth it.

            Our currency and economy is about to fail, with it will go our government. No matter what they do they will receive resistance, yet we eventually will come under a one world order – you can’t change biblical prophesy.

      1. so this author is an idiot. Peole that go into gunsmithing don’t do it for a hobby. They do it because they want to make money doing something they love. Gunsmithing is an art and you do it because you want to create something and say, “I did that.” The first thing my instructor told us is you are not a gunsmith unless you have a lathe and a mill. Gun smithing is more than just dropping in a new trigger or assembling an AR15, which any monkey with a basic tool set can do, it is taking something that is shooting two inch groups and making it shoot same hole groups. It is taking someones old smith and wesson revolver and making it look factory new with a trigger as smooth as glass and having someone say wow when you are done. Saying you can make alot of money by beiing a hobbyist gunsmith is an idiotic statement in itself. What this is going to do is actually drive the hobbyist out of business, along with the smalkl business’ as well as those that are not in it for the money. It is an un due burden on business owners and people should be panicking. It is back door gun control and no one is paying attention at all. so all you morons that think gunsmithing is like the dumb TV shows and think all a gunsmith does is cleanings and part for part replacement have absolutely no idea what we actually do.

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