Disengage, Fast to Avoid Conflict : Follow Up

By John Farnam

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Disengage, Fast to Avoid Conflict : Follow Up
Defense Training International, Inc
Defense Training International, Inc

Ft Collins, CO –-(Ammoland.com)- Drive-Thru Followup:

I advise students to avoid sitting in a stationary vehicle for long. When in a vehicle, get the vehicle in motion as quickly as possible. So, using a fast-food drive-thru already violates that advice! But, like spending time in banks and jewelry stores (which I also advise against), we all find it necessary now and then!

Many fast-food drive-thrus feature two ordering lanes. Use the outer lane. Using the inner lane may trap your vehicle.

When sitting in line, remove your seat belt, so you can get to your pistol quickly, and/or exit the vehicle quickly.

With the exception of the driver's-side window, keep all other windows up, doors locked.

Keep a car-length between your vehicle and the one in front. That open space continuously affords you the opportunity to escape when necessary. The practice may occasionally annoy cashiers, but they’ll get over it!’

Have money ready. Minimize fumbling! Put change in the console tray and then exit immediately. You can put it in your wallet later.

When you need to check your order in detail, do it right away, or drive around to an empty section of the parking lot. Don't pull forward from the building, stop, and then start focusing on bags or change.

You’re sitting in the “kill zone!”

Pay attention to the cashier, but also look past him and into the restaurant. When you suspect a robbery in progress, fight, or any other circumstance that may represent a threat to you, it is time to depart immediately!

Minimize distractions! Children, grandchildren (even some “adults” for that matter) fussing over what they want to order will predictably divide your focus. When they can't seem to make up their minds, order for them. Your abruptly making decisions for them a few times will teach them a valuable lesson about dithering and indecisiveness!

Keep your head up! When a threat is detected at any time during the process, break-off and drive away immediately, jumping the curb when necessary. When it all turns out to be a false alarm, you can come back and get your food, or keep going and consider it an “investment” in your safety!

When bullets start flying, or some other threat is detected, your personal safety is usually best served by your staying in the vehicle and driving away. Your vehicle’s steel, even glass, afford considerable protection.

As the world situation continues to deteriorate, and desperation becomes even more commonplace, each of us need to reexamine every detail of our lives. We must honestly confront the necessity of making changes, even major ones, when necessary. Of course, all risks cannot be avoided, but they can be identified and “managed,” to the best of our ability.

As always, (1) alertness, (2) decisiveness, and (3) preparation are the keys to your continued good health!


About John Farnam & Defense Training International, Inc
As a defensive weapons and tactics instructor John Farnam will urge you, based on your own beliefs, to make up your mind in advance as to what you would do when faced with an imminent and unlawful lethal threat. You should, of course, also decide what preparations you should make in advance, if any. Defense Training International wants to make sure that their students fully understand the physical, legal, psychological, and societal consequences of their actions or inactions.

It is our duty to make you aware of certain unpleasant physical realities intrinsic to the Planet Earth. Mr Farnam is happy to be your counselor and advisor. Visit: www.defense-training.com

  • 20 thoughts on “Disengage, Fast to Avoid Conflict : Follow Up

    1. Valid concerns, but no need to panic, just focus on situational awareness.
      Not everyone lives in a nice area or you may be traveling and have to stop for food or gas.
      Have bank card ready to pay at drive up windows.

      I’m not talking about going into Jason Boune mode,
      “I come in here, and the first thing I’m doing is I’m catching the sightlines and looking for an exit. ”

      I never use bank ATM or go inside. I get cash back at supermarket or home depot, etc.

      Little off topic, but…

      “Hi there, can I ask you for a favor, I’m (fill in the blank with bravo sierra sob story) can you help me out?

      You reply “Hi, funny thing, I was going to ask you the same question, have a nice day’

    2. I like his comments. You never know when and where an attack will come, and being aware can never be a bad thing. You may not see the predator, but they are there, looking at you as a potential victim. Your age, sex, and physical appearance is being evaluated, and an attack will come if they feel you are weak. If you are in line, talking on a cell phone and not paying attention, you up your value as a potential victim. My “big city” childhood may be out of place at McDonald’s in Podunk, USA, but it won’t hurt me.

    3. I did not read every word, nor did I read much of the comments, but I have ESP. Anyway, dumb just dumb, someone trying to make a living out of giving out bad advice. Now maybe most of this guys advice is good, and I can only assume that some of it is just dumb, again the result of trying to make a buck. I have been told that one should always be able to see the rear tires of the auto in front of them at a stop light. Can you imagine the length of traffic jambs that would create, yes you can. A fast food drive up with a car length between cars, give me a break and welcome to the real world. Just Dumb. Please think before you write or speak, and man up and admit it was just dumb. We need more people that will admit it when they are just plan dumb. I Do, and calling you dumb was uncalled for, but oh so true! Dave

      1. @Dave Brown, When you write that you did not read every word, note much of the comments, maybe the parts that you did not read were the good parts. What did you think was the bad advice?

      2. Dave Brown,
        If I thought he actually did, I would accuse John Farnam of plagiarism! What he stated, in almost the same verbiage, is what I told rookie officers that I OJT’d back in the 80’s for a state LEA. This is the philosophy of situational awareness that my wife (retired LE), my son (former LE). and my all my granddaughters use. Those who don’t use this, or a similar philosophy, will possibly end up as a victim.

    4. It amazes me that because people live in the suburbs or the country, they feel right comfortable in condition white…. totally clueless as to what is going on around them. There are tons of people splitting up (bad things happen…read the paper). People off their mess (see above). Druggies (sorry pal, rich neighborhoods have ’em) looking to get some easy cash, At least crank it up a notch…don’t be the dumb blonde DRT (dead right there)!

    5. wow..

      if you carry a gun, you’re responsible for your own safety…that includes having your head on a swivel and situational awareness. which is the whole point of the

      1. Doug, I very much agree about personal responsibility and situational awareness. That was not, far as I can see, the whole point of the article. Guess we can agree to disagree. 🙂

    6. Given our times, I don’t think that Farnam’s fears are unreasonable. Nor is it a poor policy to think about things in advance. Human predators need prey, however, so if others wish to bumble through life with nary a thought in their empty heads putting their safety and purse in the hands of their fellow man, go ahead.

      1. There are a lot of different situations, and different ways to think about this. I am seriously aware of my surroundings, carry a gun, and give considerable thought to the possibilities in every day life. Empty heads and automatic victimhood are not the only alternative to paranoia… I refuse to live at this level of panic. I carry a gun, not because I’m afraid, but because I don’t need to be afraid as long as I’m willing to do what is necessary to defend myself. And yes, that will almost always be walking away from a confrontation, avoiding places and people with real potential to cause problems. There’s a difference.

        But hey, I have no quarrel with Mr. Farnam if this is how he wants to live. I do have some real concerns if this is what he teaches others, however. But, each to his/her own.

        1. @MamaLiberty It is called being a “hard target” and surviving the initial contact. It is all well and good to be “willing to do what is necessary” until you fail to recognize the threat, fail to leave yourself an out, or let your normalcy bias delude you into downgrading a situation. This isn’t “panic” but a heightened awareness and having contingencies for situations one may inadvertently find themselves in. It is the old adage “better safe than sorry” brought to bear on the most mundane tasks in our lives, and I dare say that if they haven’t at least crossed your mind then you are not prepared adequately no matter how willing you are as few threats come at you straight on.

          Personally I have witnessed an armed robbery in progress from the drive-thru window. I was not driving and noticed what was happening inside. I kept prodding my co-worker to leave but he wanted to put the straw in his drink and make sure the requested mayo was on his burger… before pulling away from the window. He got the message when I exited the vehicle (keeping it between me and the establishment) and made my way out of danger through the parking lot. He laughed up a storm that evening and the next day until he saw the robbery on the news, he pays much more attention now.

          Call it paranoid, call it panicked, call it what you like…. I call it basic survival awareness.

            1. @Wild Bill, I was there in 92 for BCT and AIT as an 88M motor transport. Wanted something to get my foot in the door so I could range MOS once in. Was stationed at Ft Carson, CO. Unfortunately it took just a year for a training accident to leave with a back broken in 3 places. I spent the rest of my time as the unit armored and got to play with all the unit weapons.

            2. @Robert, Thank you for your service, I am sorry to hear that you were injured. I was there 29 July 75 to 10 Jan 76 for BCT and AIT. Then off to Ft. Benning, GA. Then things caught up to me, I found myself in a bridge company! That was work! If you ever find your self near Yantis, Tx, give a yell.

            3. @Wild Bill Thank you for your service too! I’ll keep that in mind. We usually visit every 5 years or so, but if Billary gets her way I may be moving the family down there.

    7. I think Mr. Farnam should visit me and drive with me through the little nearby town… Sure, an attack can come anywhere, in almost any situation, but it sure looks as if he hasn’t spent enough time outside of a big city, probably Chicago.

      One other thought: if anyone was this paranoid, it would seem wise to find a different way to obtain a meal – or a different place to live.

      1. Talk about ‘fast food’; I wonder how long it takes Mr. Farnam to wolf down a unhappy meal while ducking/covering?

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