MO: Legislature Overrides Veto, Constitutional Carry Effective 1 Jan 2017

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By Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten

Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- The veto override session in Missouri started today, and the vetos of Governor Nixon on a gun reform law and voter ID.

The gun law reform includes Constitutional carry, or a close variant there of.  Some prefer that it be called permitless carry, as no permit is required to carry a firearm, openly or concealed. Permitless carry will go into effect on 1 January, 2017. The basic reforms in the law are these; From the NRA-ILA:

  • Recognize Missourians right to Constitutional/Permitless Carry where open carry is not prohibited
  • Expand Missouri’s current Stand your Ground laws
  • Expand Castle Doctrine protections for anyone legally allowed into your home, vehicle, business and property
  • Specify that except for credit card fees incurred, no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits
  • Implement 10, 20 and 50 year options for non-reciprocity issued permits
  • Allow components of firearm training for RTC permits to be online

From reuters.com:

Missouri lawmakers pushed through bills on Wednesday eliminating the need for permits to carry concealed weapons and requiring voters to show a photo identification before casting a ballot, overriding Democratic Governor Jay Nixon's vetoes of the bills.

Both votes by the Republican-controlled state House and Senate reached the two-thirds majority required to enact legislation over the governor's veto.

The weapons bill abolished a state law requiring a permit, training and background checks for people who want to carry a concealed weapon in the state.

The House voted 112-41 to override Nixon's veto and the Senate voted 24-6.

The override of the veto of the gun law reform bill was a replay of another veto override session in 2014.  The number of the bill was even the same, SB 656.  The number likely was assigned as a reminder to the Governor that the legislature would override his veto. They kept their promise.

In 2014, the gun law reform bill veto was overridden in the Senate 23 – 8, and in the House, 114 – 39.  The numbers are similar; a little more margin in the Senate, a little less in the House, this year.

Two thirds of the vote in each body is necessary to override.  This year, the numbers were closer to 75% in the House and 80% in the Senate.

Missouri makes 11 states that have Constitional/permitless carry, with four of them being added in 2016.   Idaho, Mississippi and West Virginia have passed similar legislation in 2016. The other “Constitutional” carry states are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming.

Some analysts include Montana as a Constitutional carry state, because Constitutional carry is the law outside of city limits.  Others contend that Arkansas law is not “permitless” but Arkansas law is very similar to Vermont law, which has been permitless since before statehood in March of 1791.

In Vermont, the law says that a person may not carry with criminal intent; therefore, if a person does not have criminal intent, they are not breaking the law.

In Vermont, the law says that a person may not carry with criminal intent; therefore, if a person does not have criminal intent, they are not breaking the law.  I have not read of any analyst that claims that Vermont is not permitless carry.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.

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About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Bruce Runion Sr
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Bruce Runion Sr

Constitutional Carry sb the law of the land, I agree you should know how to handle a weapon and suggest a person takes lessons from a quifified instructor that might be a friend or at a local.range but To require CCW license is registering your gun with local law enforcement and don’t believe those records are protected any hacker could get a list or are you one who think the government wouldn’t take your gun

Anthony Jonea
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Anthony Jonea

I echo that. Certainly one of the best and well reasoned opinions I’ve read here. It seems the ‘lefties’, Politicians and even the ‘average joe,’ is unable to grasp “Unalienable..” all of our Constitutional rights are God given and merely enumerated in the bill of rights. As you point out, I also see the nexus with abortion. Conversely, no one has the right to grant another the right to murder. Other examples: seat belts, helmets, Obama care and anything else that is legislated to not protect others, but to protect we the people from ourselves. Certainly, laws are necessary in… Read more »

freewill
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freewill

yellow should be called…extremely hard to get, take chicago for instance, a measly 89 people have been given permission to defend themselves from criminals that dont seek permission!!!

Dale
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Dale

The biggest power will come from the courts. If Killery is pres. She will put a libtard in the judgeship and maybe 3 more. We as people need to make sure this does not happen. We have a voice. We vote we write we even can run for a local office to get to a bigger office.We the people have the power. Not the Gov’t.. We have to be heard. We can be part of organizations like the NRA or even a local chapter within your state. If ALL gun owners VOTE for the right person that will protect the… Read more »

William Boose
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William Boose

I believe you map shows AR, not MO.

Donald D Burnett
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Donald D Burnett

You are correct the map shows Missouri as blue and Arkansas as green . Makes one wonder if anything they show is correct, I think I’ll look elsewhere for when the law takes effect.

Tommyguns
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Tommyguns

That map shows the 10 states that have the laws already in place….MO law doesn’t go into full effect until Jan 1. So at time of map, wasn’t enacted yet.

Cotter W. Sayre
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Cotter W. Sayre

Why in the hell does everyone ignore Mississippi??? We have had Constitutional Carry for over a year now. We are UNRESTRICTED!!!

mike
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mike

So can i constitutional carry in the city of st.louis, since you cant open carry in st.louis city without a ccw

zclay
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zclay

Since I don’t need a ccw anymore to carry conceal, how does that work for traveling to let’s say NE, who require a ccw permit? Do I need a permit in that state our do they recognize the MO laws saying not needing a ccw?

Ronald Wright
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Ronald Wright

You WILL need a permit to carry outside of MO. A permit IS REQUIRED if you want to conceal carry in the other states that recognize MO permit carry.

Chris
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Chris

What about a visitor from another state, say MI. that doesn’t have a permit, would they be allowed to carry in MO?

Rich in Mo
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Rich in Mo

Yes, MO state law applies in the state so someone from another state would be able to carry here without a permit.

VT Patriot
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VT Patriot

Congrats MO. Great to have you on board. Seems like you may well be on the road that Vermont is on, lowest violent crime stats in the lower 48. After all, who’s going to carjack you or try to hold you up if there’s a good chance you may be carrying. Works here..

Whiskey For My Men Beer For My Horses
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Whiskey For My Men Beer For My Horses

It is a great day to be a Missourian! Now all the good guys that could not afford the CCW classes can carry concealed legally. Another great bill that passed is voter ID requirements. The citizens get to vote on this issue requiring photo voter identification in November and hopefully it passes. The constitutional carry could not come at a better time. The new black panthers party just had a public armed protest walking through the CWE in St. Louis while they were armed with Ar’s and some other long guns. The black panthers had this armed protest because Darren… Read more »

Raven
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Raven

I took the class and passed with flying colors. I couldn’t afford the cost of the permit itself.

JRA
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JRA

I have been following these bills in MO even though I am from MN. I was disappointed to see Nixon veto the bills but got very excited when the legislature stated they thought they could override the veto.

Congratulations, MO! I am very glad that you were able to pass these laws.

Rich in Mo
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Rich in Mo

Yay Missouri! I’m so glad that lousy governor Nixon is term-limited and out; good riddance to bad trash. He has been overridden 4 times more that all other Missouri governors combined which shows how out of touch with the people the clown-shoe is. Both canadates for governor have an A rating from the NRA so we cannot lose.it’s a great day for our beautiful state, please come visit us in 2017!

Rex M
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Rex M

I will visit Missouri now that I can be safe in doing so.. Way to go Missouri!

Don in LA
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Don in LA

Please remind all gun owners in Blue States that Hillary will confiscate their guns and ban their right to carry.

KKU
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KKU

Really? The President does not have the power to do that. Also, no president has done that!! When Obama was elected these people said the same thing. It did not happen and will not happen. What is wrong with making sure the responsible people are the ones that have guns? No President is taking away guns!!!

Adam Carr (Senwaxa)
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Adam Carr (Senwaxa)

All through Obama’s Presidency there has been a pro-Second Ammendement majority in both houses of Congress. Absent of the majority, the Gun-grabbers would have done far more damage.

Pistol Pete
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Pistol Pete

KKU There is a lot that Clinton can do with a pen that will make life hard on law abiding gun owners She can an will but a one Dollar per round tax on ammo ” She has already said that was one think is going to do !!!. She can with the Stroke of a pen impose other regulation with or with out congress. If the brain dead liberals get control of both houses of congress American Citizens will become a slave to the US Government. In other words a Country of Slaves with no say of how they… Read more »

Ricky
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Ricky

Well, I’m not sure about never getting back. That is why there is such a thing like Revolution to defend our Constitution, which in turn is top protect its people’s freedoms.

Ronald Wright
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Ronald Wright

Odumass might not have the “power” but he has sure kept trying. I guess you haven’t noticed that the Dems in several states have TAKEN legal, law abiding citizens firearms away from them! Basically turned them into criminals if they didn’t SURRENDER their once legal AR-15. Odumass pushed to get AMMUNITION made illegal and almost succeeded. Kalifornica, New York and a couple of other states have done what Odumass has wanted! If Crooked Hitlery gets in and appoints Supreme Court Justice(s), she can push her LIBERAL AGENDA and try and disarm America. Crooked HItlery has made this statement numerous times!… Read more »

SK
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SK

Really? Not because they do t want to or haven’t tried. Have you looked at some of his executive orders? The last one is designed to hurt gunsmith and ultimately the gun owner. If you don’t think Hillary wants your guns you are not paying attention.

LLinLa
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LLinLa

You are right! “No President is taking away guns!!!” Making weapons harder to get, banning certain imports and ammunition, taxing gun-related products, restricting firearms sites, blogs, social media, etc., denying 2A rights to senior citizens through Social Security, MediCare, Medicaid and asking your doctor to find out, banning some veterans their 2A rights on their return from overseas, preventing military personnel ON THEIR OWN BASES FROM CARRYING, and having a specific candidate openly her intentions on numerous occasions (depending who she is talking to!), appointing a few Supreme Court, Appeals and Circuit Court judges who adhere to the the “living”… Read more »

SuperG
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SuperG

The irony to the map is that the states with the strictest gun control have the most gun violence.

MamaLiberty
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MamaLiberty

The usual, “I believe in the 2A, BUT….” I don’t give much weight to the 2A myself, but when I read it I don’t see a single one of the convoluted restrictions, rules, prohibited people or places… none of that anywhere in the amendment.

This sorta, kinda, maybe “permitless” carry is certainly “a step in the right direction,” much as I deplore that statement… but none of this is “constitutional carry.” Not even Vermont.

But the illusion of it is most interesting. For now.

George
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George

Learn to live with it as we who oppose killing the unborn are forced to live with it. Unless you, and others who are for abortion (Rowe v. Wade), want(s) us to revisit the Supreme Courts ruling one way or the other, get over it!

freewill
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freewill

ya dont win battles by learning to live with it, ya push back!!!

MamaLiberty
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MamaLiberty

How in the world do you see abortion as being part of this? I don’t accept the idea of any innocent life being disposable. The reason this isn’t “constitutional carry” is the fact that there are so many rules, conditions and prohibited people/places involved. NONE of those are mentioned in the second amendment as exceptions to the “infringment.” The US congress, president, courts and assorted bureaucrats involved in this farce have no more legitimate authority to make these conditions on carrying a gun than they do to “allow” or prohibit abortion… or anything else. And I may be forced to… Read more »

Jones, A, 99B
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Jones, A, 99B

I echo that. Certainly one of the best and well reasoned opinions I’ve read here. It seems the ‘lefties’, Politicians and even the ‘average joe,’ is unable to grasp “Unalienable..” all of our Constitutional rights are God given and merely enumerated in the bill of rights. As you point out, I also see the nexus with abortion. Conversely, no one has the right to grant another the right to murder. Other examples: seat belts, helmets, Obama care and anything else that is legislated to not protect others, but to protect we the people from ourselves. Certainly, laws are necessary in… Read more »