NM: Armed Citizen Holds Hit & Run Driver for Police ~ VIDEO

By Dean Weingarten

NM: Armed Citizen Holds Hit & Run Driver for Police
NM: Armed Citizen Holds Hit & Run Driver for Police
Dean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten

Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- On Friday, September 9th, 2016, a man driving a Ford Explorer hit a bicyclist in Abuquerque, New Mexico.  The driver did not stop.  The bicycle was lodged under the SUV.  About a mile further on, the driver, who has been identified as a local MMA fighter, 33 year old Henry Martinez, was stopped. He was held at gunpoint by a legally armed man who remains unidentified. From krqe.com:

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (KRQE) – A video sent to KRQE News 13 by a viewer shows an armed man holding another man, suspected of hitting a bicyclist and fleeing, at gunpoint until police arrive.

Albuquerque Police confirm a bicyclist was hit by an SUV Friday morning. The bike the person was riding was then dragged by the vehicle as it left the crash scene.

Soon after, however, an armed citizen got the suspect out the SUV and held him at gunpoint while calling police.

The video illustrates some of the difficulties of holding a person at gunpoint.

The details of how Martinez was stopped and removed from the Explorer have not been published.

They two men are only 10-15 feet apart, well inside the nominal 21 feet discussed in the Tueller drill.  The armed man has a problem.  How does he notify the police?

He solves the problem by calling them himself, on his cell phone.  He does not take his eyes off of the suspect, but there are awkward moments.  While I believe he did a public service. It would have been wise to order the suspect down to the ground, and in a position so that the suspect could not observe him. Then he could have called the police from a less precarious position.

A desperate or reckless suspect could have used the phone distraction to charge and attempt a disarm.

While no weapon is seen on the suspect, he is muscular and athletic. He is said to have been pleading with the armed citizen “not to shoot him”.

Do not get in a conversation with a suspect.  It is a distraction.  If you have to shoot, you will have to switch mental gears from talking to shooting.  The classic illustration of this is from the movie, “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly”.  It shows the scene with Tuco in the bathtub.  After shooting his opponent, he says, “When its time to shoot, shoot! Don't talk.”

I am not suggesting that the armed man should have shot Martinez. I am saying that it is bad policy to get into a conversation with someone you are holding at gunpoint. Give clear, authoritative, short commands. In  the military, we call this “command voice”.

You often hear it in police videos.  “Get Down!” would be appropriate here.

In this case, if the armed man knew that the video taker was present, he could have asked them to call the police, allowing him to stay focused on the threat.

Use the resources that you have handy.  Be willing to enlist available help.

It was later determined that Martinez was driving with a revoked license.

There is no indication of any charges against the armed man.

The bicyclist was taken to the hospital.  They are expected to recover.

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About Dean Weingarten;

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

  • 12 thoughts on “NM: Armed Citizen Holds Hit & Run Driver for Police ~ VIDEO

    1. Holy Crap! I nearly wet myself at :30-:37 – that guy was closing in, taking baby steps each time, all the while pleading “don’t shoot”. Every CCW holder should be familiar with the Tueller Drill, and be aware of a tactic like this. Thankfully the guy didn’t rush the citizen, probably because someone else was filming, but he looks stocky enough to have changed the situation for the worse.

    2. know of one case where the perp was made to call 911 himself.. also someone recently advised “advertise to the jury” by calling out to anyone nearby call the police, call 911 etc. sounded like good advice to me. lets see if the page can be found this time internet got lost first try.

    3. know of one case where the perp was made to call 911 himself. also someone recently advised “advertise to the jury” call out to anyone around call the police, call 911 etc. sounds like good advice to me.

    4. Hmmmm! maybe just shoot the prick and drive off. A leg wound would have been dandy…Just make sure you cannot be identified…Or,,,,do nothing and drive off. This fellow was a conscientious citizen and doing what he thought best..

    5. Maybe not, as states are now beginning to start pushing to make police body cameras and dash cams unattainable to the public. North Carolina started this after its last police-shoots-black-guy-starts-riots episode to avoid future public backlash. Either way, kudos to the armed citizen! He was acting in the defense of an innocent person whose life was put in danger.

    6. About that “command voice” you mention, the one we hear the police use, all too often it sounds like anything but commanding. When shouted all I hear is panic, fear, and confusion. And when multiple officers are screaming they either contradict one another or, if issuing the same order, their command gets lost.

      I know that adrenaline does weird things to us, but that’s what training and practice are for. I think with the advent of officer-worn cameras we are going to see more and more examples of this.

    7. While it appears to have worked out well for the armed citizen in this case, had the video taker not been present and/or the suspect initiated a struggle over the gun the outcome would be a lot less certain. There is substantial physical and legal risk in attempting this sort of citizen’s arrest while armed.

      Calling 911, being a good witness, and avoiding direct involvement or confrontation is usually the wiser choice.

      1. Wow Adam, you’re really a wuss.
        “There is substantial physical and legal risk in attempting this sort of citizen’s arrest while armed.” Would he have been safer if he was unarmed? There are plenty of companies that offer legal protection for lawful owners/carriers of firearms like the one I have a policy with, Firearms Legal Protection, and no, I don’t work for them. And physical risk? There’s great physical risk just leaving your house. Or heck, being in your own house especially if you’re unarmed.
        “Calling 911, being a good witness, and avoiding direct involvement or confrontation is usually the wiser choice.”
        Are you talking to elementary-age children? Being a good witness? Ever heard of he-said-she-said, or, that wasn’t me driving my car, it was stolen? Or how unreliable eye witnesses are known to be? What if the perp was an illegal alien, I-I-I mean, an undocumented worker (whew, gotta be PC), and he just went back across the border for a time?
        You see Adam, this is the difference between an academic wussy and a hero. Heroes act out of concern for their fellow citizens first and their own safety second. Think Firefighter, Law Enforcement Officer, Military personel, parent defending a child, etc.
        The guy on the bicycle is someone’s son, brother, dad, husband, and they’re no doubt glad this hero was there doing the right thing and not someone like you who thinks himself wise.
        “…avoiding direct involvement or confrontation….” I can’t even begin to understand that mentality, especially when someone else is being harmed. Have you seen the videos from England where security personnel are standing there writing a report while 6 feet away someone is being beaten to death? They’re told to Observe and Report only, not to get involved.
        Jesus said the second greatest command is to love your neighbor as yourself and he gave some great examples. Adam, would you roll over and expose your soft belly to a bad guy who was threatening you or your family, or would you defend yourself and/or your family? If it’s the latter then you should be willing to do it for your “neighbor.”
        Adam, with all due respect, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion because of the heroes that fought and/or died for that right, but, wow.

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