Women Tricks Cops Into Killing Her, Our Sympathies for the Victim Police Officer

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Women Tricks Cops Into Killing Her, Our Sympathies for the Victim Police Officer
Bob Irwin
Bob Irwin

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- Fox 5 News in Las Vegas, Nevada reported 12-12-2016 in nearby Bullhead City, Arizona that an Officer opened fire on a woman who reportedly threatened to shoot her girlfriend.

According to the Bullhead City Police Department, officers responded to a home in the 1700 block of Alta Vista Road at 8 in the evening after dispatchers received a call from person saying a shooting was about to happen. A woman said she was going to shoot her girlfriend and kill herself.

Officers arrived to find a woman holding what appeared to be a firearm outside of the home. The person pointed the firearm at an officer who then opened fire on the woman.

The 44-year-old woman was rushed to a nearby hospital, where she later died.

Police said the handgun in the woman’s possession was a black airsoft gun that appeared to be a replica of a semi-automatic pistol.

Two people inside the home where the call originated were not harmed. No officers were injured in the incident.

As customary with officer-involved shootings, Lake Havasu City police detectives were called upon to investigate the incident, according to BCPD. The officer, who was not immediately identified, was placed on routine administrative leave.

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Apparently another suicide by cop case. The responding Officer was tricked into shooting a woman who clearly wanted to die but lacked the courage to carry it out. This is unfortunately becoming a common scenario.

These incidents cause the shooters to second guess themselves for the rest of their lives. Hopefully counseling is available to the victim Officer. Often family members of the dead individual will blame the officer for not reacting properly and the department for insufficient training.

Reality is that the hero Officer acted correctly to save his own life! The likely lawsuit will only add to his victimization.

Bob Irwin, The Gun Store, Las Vegas

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Janek

In the end the ‘anti-gunners’ will add this to their ‘list’ of homicide by gun statistics.

Dave

Last comment. Everyone has “war stories” about how they saw a judge do this or a prosecutor do that, or how someone in a position of authority has a bias. We all have biases. Every judge, prosecutor, defense attorney, witness, etc.We can only hope that the constrain their biases and give those in front of them a fair trial. In my experience, (as a civil attorney), I find that most judges and juries tend to be biased in favor of the defendant. Still, most of the time I am confident of a relatively fair hearing for my client. Simply saying… Read more »

Idadho

I saw and I heard were now hearsay because I was the defendant or the plaintiff. I lived next to a cop who liked to throw his weight around because he knew the court and system would be biased in his favor. Felony stalking for taking pictures of his surveillance cameras that were aimed into my side and back yard. Misdemeanor malicious injury to property for chewing up a $4 cap to his sprinkler valve system when I drove my mower over it. The cap was on my property (fixture law made it mine) but the PD still filed charges… Read more »

dave

Idadho, Sounds like you deserved whatever you got. I must have missed the lecture on “Fixture law and its application to sprinkler heads.”

Idadho

It was a cap to an access pipe to an underground sprinkler drain valve. The pipe and the valve were both entirely on my property, confirmed by a survey pin 12 inches away. The cap tended to float up occasionally but my mower tire would push it back down. I had driven over this cap for 12 years without a problem. The mower deck sucked it into the blades this time and he heard it. I replaced the cap for $4. The entire pipe and cap are mine by fixture law since they cannot be removed without leaving damage to… Read more »

Brandon Reed

I’m sick of these stupid lawyers and even the idiot judges who would side with pure ignorance….i think they need to have the lawyers or judges suspended until an investigation can be done on them. If someone comes into my yard and falls and hurts themself, who in their right mind would side with the person who was truly at fault. If someone spills coffee in their lap while driving down the road, who in their right mind would let them sue the restaurant they just got the coffee from. Same scenario here with this shooting….

david Solo

It is unfortunate that you have such a one sided, all or nothing view of the civil judicial system. It is there to protect you and your family from drunk drivers, dishonest contractors, and corporations who sell unsafe and dangerous products (among others). Each case needs to be judged on its own merits. I agree that if someone comes onto your property and falls through no fault of the property owner, that the property owner should not be held liable. On the other hand, if I am walking on (for example) an a deck or stairs that were built without… Read more »

Idadho

The only ones who win consistently in most legal proceedings are the attorneys. Taking 30 to 40% in a PI claim is outrageous. Attorneys do not use the law for justice. They use it as a means to an end. Judges set the stage and decide who gets to present their case. They can influence the proceedings to achieve the ends they deem appropriate. Attorneys continue to prosper regardless of the defendants’ or plaintiffs’ outcome. If cops had to prove they used the least lethal means before being granted immunity, things would likely improve. If they were poorly trained, the… Read more »

dave

You miss my point. Certainly lack of a permit alone may not make a deck unsafe and rot may be hidden. On the other hand (again using this as an example), if Joe Blow, who has no training builds an unpermitted deck which, because of improper construction falls and kills your son or daughter or wife or puts you in a wheel chair, refuses to compensate you, you can take him to court. Imagine that it is not Joe Blow but a major corporation who causes you injury? Who is going to fight on your behalf? I can run a… Read more »

Brandon Reed

I’m not one sided David….you’re reading this all wrong. That’s why i hate reading typed messages sometimes. And who cares if it’s got an orange tip to it….you point a gun at me and i will respond in a way as to protect me, my family, my friends! I was brought up you don’t point a gun at anybody….toy or real…empty or loaded. So, what gives a woman the right to sue McDonalds because she decided to buy coffee in the drive through and spill it on herself , burn her legs, and then sue them and win?? Whose damn… Read more »

Tionico

I can install an orange tip onto my Glock. Does that make it a toy? SUch laws are stupid on their face. HOW many kids remove the orange cap because they want to appear as though they have the real thing? And how many such orange caps are made so poorly they fall off of their own accord before the toy has been played with for two days? Again, such laws are stupid., Criminals have been documented as having removed the orange tip on a real-looking toy gun knowing the bank teller at whom they point the orange tipped version… Read more »

Dr Dave

ABSOLUTELY agreed. How many of us buy these “replica” guns to practice with ONLY because they match the look ad feel of our EDC weapon so as to not be significantly different to allow muscle memory training. Glock has not allowed any company to use its design to make a toy model for this EXACT reason. About 10 years ago someone came up with a Glock look-a-like and they were sued by Gaston Glock Inc to take it down because they were concerned about being involved with accidental shootings. The laws are stupid and yet they are used/abused every week.… Read more »

Idadho

“There is NO way to know in a life and death situation under pressure for one’s life (which is the only legitimate use of a gun anyway) the difference between airsoft and real.” This is where the problem lies. Cops are trained to look at every contact as a life or death situation. The Tueller Drill has been drilled into cops to the point that they no longer use their brains to think. Cop are often afraid of their own shadow yet they are the ones wearing a bullet resistant vest and with regular training have a distinct advantage over… Read more »

Idadho

I did not say judges set things up for the injured party. Judges set the courtroom based on their biases by allowing and disallowing testimony, evidence, jury instructions, objections in front of the jury, and more. I watched a prosecutor set up a mistrial by asking questions that caused a witness to mention an issue that had been excluded in pretrial motions. The prosecutor had learned that his strategy was grossly wrong and he needed a restart. The judge admitted the irregularity and implied the possibility that the prosecutor set up the witness to violate pretrial orders. The violator was… Read more »

Dave

We are mixing up many different issues; questions about a tragic shooting (both for the officer and the woman) and questions about the civil justice system as a whole. I respectfully disagree that judges set things up for the injured party regardless of fault. I find just the opposite to be true. Further it is juries who decide liability in the vast majority of civil and criminal cases, not the judge. People here quite the McDonald’s coffee case without having the facts aside from what is cited mostly by those who want to skew them. The woman did not receive… Read more »

Nick D.

Tricked? Tricked? So cops were tricked into shooting this woman? Is that how you are branding it now? What did you call it when the cops shot the 12 year in Ohio who had a toy? What was it called when cops shot the kid in Baltimore who had a toy? What about all the other cases of police shooting children who had toys? I don’t recall anyone saying the cops were”tricked”. I do remember a bunch of people saying they were justified and had no choice. But “TRICKED”?!? That’s a new spin on it.

Wild Bill

, Suicide by cop is not unknown, so it is not a new spin. The unfortunate method does require some deception. Sad for all involved.

Nick D.

@wild bill
Then call it suicide by cop. Not the cops were tricked into shooting. It was intentionally phrased that way to direct a pre-determined narrative. That makes it a new spin.

Tionico

chill, Nick. ANy time one person acts to present evidence (toy gun) with the intent to deceive (the toy is taken for what it appears, a real gun) that is accurately referred to as “trick”. A card trick expert uses deceit to fool the observers into thinking reality is other than it is. This woman used deceit to fool the officer into thinking reality is other than what it was. No way out, this is rightly referred to as “a trick”. Deceit. Call it what you wil, the LEO was deliberatey deceived, tricked, fooled, thus promting his response based on… Read more »

Nick D.

How do you know her intention was to deceive? Did she call you in advance and let you know her plan? Maybe she was just mentally ill and couldn’t tell fact from fiction. To say definitely that she tricked them is more information than anyone, not directly involved in the situation can know. Unless you have prior knowledge of her plan than you cannot say for certain that it was a plan.

Brandon Reed

I guess it comes down to kids not pointing guns at cops…..and it has to do with the parents up-bringing…and i do recall the kids you’re talking about being black, but let’s not be racists here

BowHunter619

No body mentioned race but you.

Brandon Reed

It was in reply to Nick’s comment about kids getting shot by cops….he was saying no way could a cop shooting a kid be called “tricked” into it….then he mentioned actual kids in locations. Why don’t we look at the facts that the kids being shot are brought up in rough neighborhoods, are the black youth in which the parents are not being parents and then blame the cops when their children are shot.

Idadho

Would the cops have been so fast to shoot had the same event happened with a white kid ? The Baltimore kid had a piston fired BB gun and was running away and had not threatened anybody. I guess he was shot for running from cops in the ‘hood.

Brandon Reed

WHO TAUGHT HIM TO RUN FROM THE COPS????

Idadho

Could it be the cops have conditioned people to fear them and run ? The courts have ruled that running from the cops is not an indication of criminal conduct as as such, people have a right to run from cops when they are not under arrest.

The cops in Connecticut, California and Idaho have sure demonstrated the need to consider avoiding any contact with them from the first hand reports from people I know of interaction with cops.

Brandon Reed

IDADHO….looks like the gun he used didn’t have an orange tip….looks as real as the real thing….and, it was scary enough that an innocent bystander was the one who called it in. So, you tell me. I hope you’re in the position to make that choice while you’re staring down the barrel of a gun…5 feet or 30 feet away….ask the person “um…is that a real gun or toy….and is it loaded”….lol

Brandon Reed

lol….YouDaHo….you’re cracking me up…..yep, i was taught that if i’m not doing anything wrong, that it’s ok to run…keep that mentality up…you’ll get far in life

Brandon Reed

IDADHO….the Baltimore kid had several people call the cops on him…hmmm….because he was pointing it at people or because it was hidden in his jacket pocket????? Tell me smart ass…..how did they know he had it? And how did the cops not know that when he took off running that he wouldn’t use it on someone?? Look at that gun one more time….you can’t tell if it’s a real Barretta or not. I hope this happens to you or your wife one day!!

Idadho

Look at the Tamir Rice case. Tamir was pointing his gun at people but not shooting at them. Same as the Baltimore youth, Dedric Colvin. A witness testified that Colvin even told the cop the gun was not real but the cop shot him anyway. He never pointed the gun when the cop confronted him. The cops even hand cuffed his mother to drag her to the police station before allowing her to go to the hospital. It sure reeks of heavy badges. I grew up playing with Colt revolver, Thompson machine gun, Springfield and Garand replicas. We’d play cowboys… Read more »

Brandon Reed

Idadho…..best thing is to teach our youth, no matter who the parent is, that you do not point a gun at people PERIOD!!! That would stop this whole thing…white, black, asian, yellow, green, or purple…case closed

Idadho

Oh Brandon. Kids play cops and robbers, army, etc. They point toy guns at others because they know they are toy guns. Snowflakes need to learn to accept that they should not fear toy guns. If the do gooders had not convinced toy stores to not carry toy guns, kids would find the need to play with Airsoft guns.
If school spent the time teaching social engineering principles and instead taught a firearm safety course, we would be way ahead.

Dindu Nuffin

Who mentioned race?

Dr Dave

The kids didn’t call 911 to say that they were about to commit a crime to the contrary they were all out playing unknowingly drawing attention by locals who called to complain In this case the woman called 911 to say SHE was about to kill her roommate and then herself so she DID actually trick the LEOs into coming to the scene expecting a gun fight when had she told the truth that the gun was a toy they wouldn’t have bothered or would atleast have been prepared to handle a mentally ill person with a toy rather then… Read more »

Idadho

Cops have enough experience to know that such a call to 911 is a set-up. They should arrive with a readiness to handle a mentally ill person, whether the gun is real or not. I’ve been in the middle of such an event when a cop miles away tried to insinuate my brother was a risk. When my father and myself stood between the cops and my brother, they became violent to us. Once they arrested us, they ignore my brother since they thought they had a felony ‘recording a cop’ arrest and an obstructing and delaying arrest. The cops… Read more »

Dave

What “…likely lawsuit…?”

Arizona Revised Statutes (A.R.S.)

Title 13. Criminal Code

Chapter 4. Justification

13-413. No civil liability for justified conduct

No person in this state shall be subject to civil liability for engaging in conduct otherwise justified pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.

HMLA-167 Warrior

Bob Irwin consistently fails to research before adding his BS opinions to the ends of these articles that he writes. From years of reading them I have come to the conclusion that Bob actually is just writing about the eventual lawsuit in hopes that there will be one.

Vanns40

What you fail to realize is that anyone can be sued for anything. There is nothing that prevents a suit from being filed, only that the law can be invoked as an affirmative defense and, the case, most likely, will be dismissed. Unless there are penalties written in the law for recovery of attorney’s fees etc. the person being sued is left holding the bag for those fees which can be considerable.

Tionico

most states, the prevailing party (in this case the LEO wrongly sued) is entitiled to recover damamages incurred from the legal action. If files in civil courts, this is certainly the case. No prosecutor who wants to keep his job would persue criminal charges in this case, based on what is reported here. Further, it seems rather evident that the decedent acted against herself in this incident, and if she’s that nuts or diustraught, it seems unlikely she will have an surviving relatives foolish enough to sue for wringful death. True, in this case the real victim is the LEO… Read more »