Chicago ‘Scholar’ Claims Militias Would Be ‘Toast’ if Resisting Military Coup

by David Codrea,

What were you saying about "toast"? [British regulars surrender to militia forces led by George Rogers Clark at Fort Sackville - PD-Art]
What were you saying about “toast”? [British regulars surrender to militia forces
led by George Rogers Clark at Fort Sackville – PD-Art]
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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- “What would happen in the minutes and hours after a coup in America?” Mike Pearl of Vice Media asks in a bit of “progressive” wishful thinking sprinkled with multiple hollow disclaimers. He takes pains to explain how unlikely it is, and how horrible it would be, but you don't need to read too closely between the lines to grok he and those he cites don't want Donald Trump to be president. Their war gaming for his ouster reads more like a yearning than a warning.

The assumption, of course, is that a president with “America First” policies is a coup-worthy threat, unlike the acceleration toward totalitarianism a Hillary presidency would have produced. It also emphasizes the accusation that an Electoral College victory protecting the interests of the states is not legitimate. We see that meme personified against Trump by the likes of John Lewis and Elizabeth Warren, and happily shared by an establishment media that overwhelmingly agrees.

That hardly squares with the red/blue divide. Americans who believe unbendingly in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and particularly in the Second Amendment, don't really have a problem with policies that so thwart and horrify “progressives” – that's why the divide.

As with all who support such oath-breakers, the further assumption is that their outrage will apply to senior military leadership. With some of the examples we've seen, like oath breakers David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal joining in the demand for civilian disarmament, they may have a point. And that, undoubtedly, is why Oath Keepers, with its “Orders We Will Not Obey,” represents such an existential threat to those who would abet tyranny. It certainly explains why the same special interests that want to delegitimize Trump actively portray those who put the oath first as “haters” and “anti-government extremists.”

“As long as the courts back the coup, any Trump supporters who take to the streets and exercise a very literal interpretation of their Second Amendment rights-to form a militia and fight government tyranny-don't stand much of a chance,” Pearl asserts, just like he knows what he's talking about. “The federal government is usually hesitant to use force against armed groups like the Bundys, but those groups never pose an existential threat to the dominant regime.”

“If it were really a high-stakes situation where they thought their regime was at risk, they would've been toast,” Pearl's advisor, University of Chicago law professor Tom Ginsburg assures him.

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Tog
Tog
3 years ago

yup. that’s what they think. Its also most probably their plan. They do like to let slip their plans. That way if no one does anything about it, they dont have to feel guilty. To them, you had your chance to stop it and you didn’t, so you deserve what you get.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

@old, Yes the Viet Cong were destroyed as a fighting force, and Walter Cronkite called it a loss. Later we find out that Walter was a card carrying communist.

Jim Macklin
Jim Macklin
3 years ago

A coup in the United States would be Obama II ordering the Army or National Guard to attack Idaho or Kansas. The coup would be the refusal of the soldiers who refuse to follow illegal orders. It is true that if the militia had to face down a military with tanks, helicopters, and even nuclear weapons the militia armed with conventional individual weaponary such as rifles, shotguns and handguns would not be effective in a fight against trained main battle equipped troops. But the United States military is your neighbor, son or daughter. They swear an oath to uphold and… Read more »

batt chief
batt chief
3 years ago

I think durabo is on target. Do you think pajama boy has any firepower or the ability to even load a firearm. These liberals went into vapor lock at the sight of Trump. Libs need a goo ass kicking. Pelosi, Bloomeberg, Shumer and their ilk should be hung for treason.

Martin
Martin
3 years ago

The Left has been attempting to destroy the United States and her Constitution since the day after it was signed in 1776. Progressivism took hold in this Country in the 19th Century and really took off at the beginning of the 20th Century with Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. I hope that we never see another “Civil War” on our landscape because the death toll today with a population of over 300,000,000 would be unbelievable when you consider that 600,000 Americans out of a population of 31,000,000 died during 1861-1865. The point is that while the majority of Americans are… Read more »

Éowyn
Éowyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Our Constitution was signed in in 1789, not 1776, that was the Declaration of Independence.

Martin
Martin
3 years ago
Reply to  Éowyn

Sorry about that! I knew the difference and just got beyond myself.
At any rate, the Left has been working at the destruction of our Nation and its Founding Documents since the day after they were signed.

Robert Workman
Robert Workman
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Man you have hit the nail on the head with this statement I strongly concur with you on this !!!. 3% all the way !!!.

Jim S
Jim S
3 years ago

Another Chicago loon using his first amendment rights which is fine. However, for arguments sake only, it is the firearm owning half of the population that voted for President Trump. How many of the military would walk over to the Trump side if that ever happened? Almost all of the firearm trained soldiers is my guess. The snowflake half in supply can stay behind as they never trained on firearms. I do not support armed action at all, just countering this idiots lack of reasoning. The snowflakes need to think before they ask for something like this.

marc disabled vet
marc disabled vet
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim S

ALL military ! Regardless of what ,
their duties are, at one point ( most in early training)
are basic weapons trained . !!!
ALL Marines are first, Basic Rifleman !
as for other branch’s they have similar
training requirements .

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
3 years ago

Marc… military personnel are also American Citizens, with friends and families living in the general society. Few active-duty military personnel will be blindly willing to open fire on peaceful citizens…

marc disabled vet
marc disabled vet
3 years ago
Reply to  JoeUSooner

My comment to Jim s. was
about the snowflake half in
supply duty not against citizens .
we were all trained no matter
what our MOS was or is
God , Country & Corp.
Semper Fi
03-51

Aardvark
Aardvark
3 years ago
Reply to  JoeUSooner

JoeUSooner – What about an armed militia? My fear is that many military/LE personnel WILL blindly follow the orders of their command, regardless of their oath to “…. support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” I know there are many current and ex who would not, but the newest recruits may not have developed that commitment to God and Country yet. The tyrant that just left office brought us very close to the breaking point. What will happen when the next extreme leftist takes office and continues the unconstitutional executive orders to… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

That is a most informative article, Dave, and thank you. Absent your efforts, I would not have even known that there was a Mice Media or a Mike Pearl.

durabo
durabo
3 years ago

Remember the Boers? Ask South Africans. Vet Minh? Ask the French. Viet Cong? Ask our Defense Department. The Afghani goat-shaggers? Ask the Soviet invaders. The America Militia would never be vanquished. We are better equipped and trained than those primitive guerillas.

Tom Webster
Tom Webster
3 years ago

Let’s be straight here, Mike Pearl et al is talking about the second US civil war. There is nothing to suggest that round two would be any less bloody than round one was. In any such situation there would be military as well as militia and para-military on both sides of the divide. These libtards need to be cautious about calling the devil, he may come and once released there would literally be hell to pay!

Robert Workman
Robert Workman
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Webster

Again I strongly concur!!!.

RM Molon Labe
RM Molon Labe
3 years ago

“The historical reality of the Second Amendments
protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right
to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right
to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us.”
–Judge Andrew Napolitano
Molon Labe

Robert Workman
Robert Workman
3 years ago
Reply to  RM Molon Labe

I strongly concur!!!.

TSgt B
TSgt B
3 years ago
Reply to  RM Molon Labe

I just pray that enough Patriots would be up to the task at hand.

Wzrd
Wzrd
3 years ago
Reply to  RM Molon Labe

Hear! Hear!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

How are the liberal/progressive/socialists going to get us conservative just plain citizens to attempt a coup, when our guy is in office? Isn’t is the job of the liberal/progressive/socialists to revolt when our guy is in office. Boy Howdy, you talk about lazy!

fb
fb
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Or provide them military training..
Honestly, if it keep down to it, they would get out numbered by conservative militias that are highly trained with former military and law enforcement joining.
The progressive militias would simply lose due to PC’ness and emotion.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  fb

@fb, I think that you are describing a marvelous opportunity to diminish the number of liberals. So if i wack a San Francisco or Boston liberal can I keep his house?

fb
fb
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I think you’re missing my point brother. I was merely describing that liberals have no chance of forming an effective militia based on PC’ness and emotion.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  fb

@fb, No, I got your point. I was just adding a little humor. Apparently…very little.

John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Why in hell would anyone want to move to Sanfransicko, or Boston lol

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Good point, I had not thought the matter through that far!

Aardvark
Aardvark
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Most of us got it Wild Bill. Maybe we could start with Kalifornia so we conservatives could enjoy that warm, sunny, coastline.

durabo
durabo
3 years ago
Reply to  fb

PROGRESSIVE (aka Communist) militia? They have such an aversion to firearms that they would have to stage their rebellion armed with nail files, dildos, broken makeup mirrors, jagged EBT cards and purses. Maybe former dictator Buttcrack O’Bunghole could mince along at the head of their advancing column…..Such a brave poofter!

Jason
Jason
3 years ago

There isn’t enough military force to hold every city/block/forest. They may be able to hold the democratic cities (unarmed populace) but once people start pinging off soldiers (heaven forbid) the battle for hearts and minds of the soldiers is going to go downhill and fast. Guerilla warfare works. And there is no way the whole of the armed forces would fall in line with a coup. This is a libtard fantasy because they didn’t get their way. More wheeping and nashing of teeth.

Old 1811
Old 1811
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason

A civil war in the U.S. today would not be a two-sided affair. We have too many enemies with too long a reach.
We would end up with a three- or four-way war, not just between the deplorables and the progressives, but between them and the Iranians, and the Chinese, just for starters. You may be able to hold your own against the Berkeley rioters, but how about the PLA, ISIS, or the Revolutionary Guard?
This isn’t 1861 and we can’t blockade our enemies. A civil war would be the death of this country.

TSgt B
TSgt B
3 years ago
Reply to  Old 1811

It would be a matter of tactics and logistics. ISIS, the PLA, and others would not be able transport enough “soldiers” to overcome 120,000,000 armed Americans, especially when trying to fight on OUR TURF.

We would not have to “blockade” our enemies, so to speak. The Atlantic and Pacific oceans provide a great deal of protection. The Bering Strait and the Panama Canal would need to be reinforced.

DON’T UNDERESTIMATE the Will of True Americans.

Old 1811
Old 1811
3 years ago
Reply to  TSgt B

But a good percentage of those 12 million Americans are undertrained by modern standards, a good percentage are way too old to engage in real combat operations, and a certain number will not take up arms until they feel personally threatened, which would probably be too late. I’d be willing to bet that your 12 million would not be more than 3 to 4 million effectives. And our Middle Eastern enemies already have enclaves in Central and South America, and the Caribbean (There are large Islamic populations in Uruguay and Trinidad and Tobago, for example), with the probability of more.… Read more »

Aardvark
Aardvark
3 years ago
Reply to  Old 1811

Where did you get 12 million? You think that less than 4% of Americans would fight against totalitarianism? You definitely underestimate the will of true Americans who believe in and would defend our Constitution.

Old 1811
Old 1811
3 years ago
Reply to  Old 1811

I misread TSgtB’s statement. Sorry.
But a better question is, Where did he get 120 million?

Old 1811
Old 1811
3 years ago

The U.S. government adopted Rules of Engagement that allowed it to be defeated in combat by pajama-wearing peasants, learned nothing from it, and a generation or two later adopted ROEs that allowed it to be defeated by Bronze Age goatherders. So what makes anyone think the U.S. government will wage total war on its own citizens?

2nd Amender
2nd Amender
3 years ago
Reply to  Old 1811

It was democratic politicians who defeated the US military!

I was there, and though we took many casualties, we won most every battle! And definitely any considered to be major ones!

Where were you?

Jim S
Jim S
3 years ago
Reply to  2nd Amender

I was there as well and we lost by pajama wearing pre-bronze age people
Maybe you were getting high?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim S

I was not there, but I have to agree that the American military did not lose Vietnam. Our Politicians did. McNamara asked for “the” target list, then turned it upside down. He said that ever increasing pressure would win the war. All it did was give the N. Viets time to learn our ways of attack and get russian and chinese equipment to defend with, before we got to their critical targets. LBJ used to interfere, by telephone, with ongoing operations. And those are only two examples. If I had more time, I would write about the “gamma goat” scandal.

Old 1811
Old 1811
3 years ago
Reply to  2nd Amender

Too young. I had no intention of disparaging anyone who fought in the war; if you think I did, you might want to run to your safe space. I was referring to ROEs that forbade, among other things, destroying North Vietnam’s infrastructure, and the bombing halts, etc., that only gave the enemy more time to regroup, refit, and recover. And you’re right, it was mostly LBJ and his minions who did that. My main point was, that if the U.S. government adopts restrictive ROEs to avoid “collateral damage” in enemy countries, the idea that the U.S. government would wage total… Read more »

eaglesnester
eaglesnester
3 years ago
Reply to  Old 1811

No it isn’t. An armed rebellion in the us would alarm the politicians. They very well know what happened during the french revolution. The citizens rose up and executed their leaders. The powers to be if it happened in America would use the military to ruthlessly kill resisting citizens. It would be a long bloody brother brother war just like the civil war was.

TSgt B
TSgt B
3 years ago
Reply to  eaglesnester

Fortunately, the overwhelming MAJORITY of members of the Armed Forces would NOT take up arms against their fellow citizens. In fact, they would most likely overthrow their “superiors” that supported such a move.

Also, you must consider that there are 15-20 MILLION veterans and retirees that WILL take up arms against a tyrannical regime should the need arise, and we are both trained and well-armed, to say nothing of our experience.

No one EVER relieved me of my obligations and duties under my Oath.