Delta Airlines Goes Dumbass on Passengers’ Guns

By Jeff Knox

I am with Stupid Delta Airlines
Delta Airlines Goes Dumbass on Passengers' Guns
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Buckeye, AZ –-(Ammoland.com)- Delta Airlines has implemented new “security protocols” in response to the horror last January in Fort Lauderdale, when an arriving passenger with a properly declared handgun in his checked luggage, retrieved the gun in a bathroom, and began shooting people in the terminal.

Delta says that under the new protocols, luggage containing firearms will be identified with a special tag indicating that it should not be placed on the regular baggage carousel for passenger pickup, but rather be hand-delivered to the airline's baggage office, where it will be zip-tied shut and only released to its owner after an ID check.

In theory, this doesn't seem unreasonable, but practical application often fails to track with theory.

I spent several years working with the TSA at a major, international, hub airport. I tested their security, and closely observed their practices. I am also a fairly frequent flier, who often transports firearms, so I have some particular experience and familiarity in this arena.

From a passenger perspective, I have often been bothered by the fact that my luggage, with my expensive, and well-loved firearms inside, is unceremoniously dumped onto an unsecured baggage carousel where anyone with a little chutzpah could simply pick it up and walk away with it. There was a problem with that happening at Phoenix Sky Harbor a few years ago, and the airport added some security, and began doing random claim-check matching, but that soon faded due to costs, and that thieves figured out that most luggage just contained cheap, dirty clothes.

That's why treating your bag with its valuable, and potentially dangerous cargo, the same as any other bag makes sense. As long as few people know there is a gun in a bag, it is unlikely to be singled out for theft or pilfering.

For a time, the government mandated that luggage carrying guns be labeled with a big, orange tag that said “FIREARM INSIDE.” Few gun owners were surprised when that resulted in thefts of firearms from luggage going up significantly. That policy was reversed, and actually made illegal, in 1986 with passage of the Firearm Owners Protection Act. This has proven to be prudent, as anonymity in a crowd is a traveling gun's best security. As long as people don't know a bag contains a gun, it is less likely to be targeted by thieves.

Delta CAGPT otherwise known in Delta circles stands for Check and Give Protection to
Delta CAGPT otherwise known in Delta circles stands for Check and Give Protection to

There is some question as to whether this new Delta policy violates the prohibition on visible labels indicating that luggage contains a firearm. Even though the special handling tags apparently don't actually say that the bag contains a firearm, if they are used exclusively, or almost exclusively for bags containing firearms, Delta is probably breaking the law by using them. At a minimum, the bar-code on the tags, which can be read by any baggage handler with a reader, must indicate that the bag contains a firearm, so even if the tags are used for various purposes, if they are an indication of higher-value contents, they are at the least a bad idea, and very probably a violation of law.

Another problem likely with Delta's new system is that airlines are often under-staffed in their baggage claim areas, meaning that travelers could face significant delays in retrieving their luggage containing firearms. If the baggage claim office is unmanned at the time your flight arrives, is your bag going to be locked in the office, or as I've often seen, stacked outside the baggage office door – unattended, but labeled as probably a gun or something else of high value? If the baggage claim agent is busy dealing with other passengers who have lost or damaged luggage, are you going to have to wait an extended time for the agent to get to you?

Aside from just being a nuisance, this could potentially interfere with making connections on other airlines, buses, or trains?

Finally, there is the question of verifying that the gun made it safely to the destination. If the bag is zip-tied shut, and you're not supposed to open it until you're off airport property, you have no way of making sure the gun is still there. When I arrive at my destination and retrieve my luggage, the first thing I do is open the bag to see that the hard case containing my pistol is still there, and the locks are still in place. I also feel the case to make sure its heft indicates the contents are still there. That might seem a little paranoid, but I've been in busy baggage basements, and seen TSA officers and baggage handlers remove items from bags. With TSA's handling procedures in some airports, it would be a simple thing for a baggage handler to mark a bag containing a firearm so that accomplices down the line could easily identify the bag later.

All of these problems and potential problems would be fairly petty, if the policy actually did something worthwhile. The reality is that Delta's new firearm protocol accomplishes nothing positive at all.

To my knowledge, there is only one case in all of recorded history of an airline passenger legally transporting a firearm in his checked luggage, reaching his destination and immediately using that firearm for illegal purposes. Had Delta's new procedures been in place in January, they would not have prevented the attack. The perpetrator still could have gone into a restroom, or to some secluded corner of the pick-up area, cut the zip-ties, and retrieved the firearm to commit his crime.

This was a bizarre, and highly unusual incident, and it is ridiculous to use it to justify adding another layer of risk and inconvenience to passengers traveling with firearms.


UPDATE:

It's not just Delta. A friend in Northern Virginia attended a course at Front Sight Firearms Training Academy in Nevada last month. He reports that on his return trip, on American Airlines, his bag containing his firearms was labeled with a big, red tag saying “Return to Baggage Office.” He had to show ID to retrieve it, but no zip-ties were involved.

American Airlines Firearms Red Tag saying “Return To Baggage Office"
American Airlines Firearms Red Tag saying “Return To Baggage Office”

I expect this trend to continue spreading unless gun owners raise loud objections. It's probably not a serious threat right now, but as word spreads that these tags indicate that there is a gun in the bag, expect to see thefts increase. Also expect more frequent delays due to missing or over-worked baggage clerks. As stated above, these policies are likely to be a violation of the Firearm Owner's Protection act.

If you experience this sort of discrimination when you travel with firearms, please try to capture a picture of the luggage tag, question the baggage clerk about the airline's policies, and report the incident to The Firearms Coalition, so we can better monitor and address the situation.

Neal Knox - The Gun Rights War
Neal Knox – The Gun Rights War

About Jeff Knox:

Jeff Knox is a second-generation political activist and director of The Firearms Coalition. His father Neal Knox lead many of the early gun rights battles for your right to keep and bear arms. Read Neal Knox – The Gun Rights War.

The Firearms Coalition is a loose-knit coalition of individual Second Amendment activists, clubs and civil rights organizations. Founded by Neal Knox in 1984, the organization provides support to grassroots activists in the form of education, analysis of current issues, and with a historical perspective of the gun rights movement. The Firearms Coalition is a project of Neal Knox Associates, Manassas, VA. Visit: www.FirearmsCoalition.org

  • 15 thoughts on “Delta Airlines Goes Dumbass on Passengers’ Guns

      1. Better question:

        How will this deter someone bent on committing mass murder until they are shot dead?

        Begone, troll.

      2. Gil, I don’t believe that Delta is any different than anyone else in that regard. Also, I believe you meant *illegally* shoot others. The question to ask is why are they making baggage with firearms in them easily identifiable so as to be targeted by thieves?

      3. same reason the rest of us do. The REAL question, the one which you are too stupid to ask, is WHY do Delta hate ALL who lawfully and harmlessly carry guns with them?

      4. Umm…Gill, this has zero to do with “those who want to shoot others. It’s theater so they can pretend to be solving a problem that doesn’t exist. Someone there thought this would be good PR.

        You do know that, at virtually every airport, baggage claim is right next to an unsecured, unmonitored exit door, including the one that prompted this. All that man had to do was gather up his suitcase from the counter, which is also near those same doors, leave the building, pull the gun out, and come back in.
        The truth is that his having been on a plane has nothing to do with it. Any local resident who wanted to do harm could bring a gun, park on the curb there, which is about 30 feet from those doors, walk in, and start shooting.
        This, honestly, is one of the most pointless rules I’ve seen them come up with.

    1. Anyone with a permit in the Atlanta airport, Delta’s home, could be carrying. A couple of years ago one guy walked in with his AR15 and a 100 round drum. No violation. So it seems pretty useless to single out guns in baggage. Just another overreaction. At least the goofball shoe bomber wasn’t trying to light his underwear. Then we’d all have to take ours off for TSA.

      1. Same in almost every airport in every state. Only a few prohibit pesonal defense weapons in the non-sterile parts of an airport. Washington do…. I’ve carried many times and walked right in to the baggage claim area from outside to pick up a friend arriving from somewhere else. I can also, legally, walk about anywhere in the ticketing, baggage check, hallways, restaurants, etc, up until the TSA checkpoint, and even stand outside the first entry gate armed…. fully legally.

        If I can do all that, WHAT will prevent anyone with evil intent going those same places… and commencing a massacre? And if that someone does that, WHO will be the Good Guy with Gun to stop him, because airport security will almost assuredly be nowhere near the mayhem?

        Even so, if they move the exit from the “secure area” to the kerbside where cars and taxis stop to pick up passengers arriving, or departing, WHAT will stop someone in one of those cars opening fire into the crowds? Nothing…. or, how about simply going mozzie and ramming their car or bus or van into the crowds of people waiting for their rides?

        What these eedjits fail to realise is the GUN is not the issue. It is the one HOLDING the gun.

    2. Im guessing several snowflakes or moms for safety left Commiefornia and landed jobs at Delta. They really dont think through their ideas for safety but they demand someone does something. Anything, no matter how byzantine. So lets just label bags with firearms so they can be stolen. Great.
      Not a lawyer but maybe Delta would be held liable since their self imposed security failed if your firearm went missing.

    3. Illogical. Ill-throughout. Hopefully ill-fated….

      Done for public appearance – having NO good — and actually BAD — results.

    4. maybe all who fly Delta, or were thinking about it, should write to whatever head hooh hah thought this nonsense up, and explain to that dweeb WHY this is a bad idea from ten different perspectives.

    5. Can airlines refuse to carry handguns? It sounds like an added expense. You probably have to pay for transporting long rifles and hunters are good customers.

    6. I’m just sad that Delta, headquartered in a state that I thought had a little common sense when it comes to guns, is this dumb. This will do absolutely nothing to make anyone any safer. As others have pointed out, baggage areas are not secure. All anyone who wants to do harm has to do is walk in off the street and have at it. The only reason this guy did it the way he did was because he was a nutcase who was not caught by the system that should have done it’s damn job.

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