Mob Attacks BART Passenger Train

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Mob Attacks BART Passenger Train
Mob Attacks BART Passenger Train
Bob Irwin
Bob Irwin

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- MSN reported on 04-24-2016 in Oakland, California a recent string of robberies on BART trains took a frightening turn when dozens of juveniles swarmed an Oakland station over the weekend and commandeered a train car, forcing passengers to hand over bags and cell phones and leaving at least two with head injuries, witnesses told the transit agency.

The incident occurred around 9:30 p.m. Saturday at Coliseum Station. Witnesses said 50 to 60 juveniles flooded the station, jumped the fare gates and rushed to the second-story train platform. Some of the robbers apparently held open the doors of a train car while others streamed inside, confronting and robbing and in some cases beating riders.

The juveniles “committed multiple strong-arm robberies of bags and cell phones,” said the summary. “At least two victims suffered head/facial injuries requiring medical attention.” Police did not say if any of the suspects were armed, or describe exactly how the passengers were wounded.

Bearing Arms says “Unarmed” or not, a violent mob committing attacks of this magnitude create such a disparity of collective force that the situation would almost certainly justify the use of deadly force to stop this criminal assault, especially since two victims were beaten severely enough to require medical attention.

I have to think that someone skillfully using a compact semi-automatic such as a Glock 19 would have been able to take down enough of these vermin to see the others scampering back to their holes empty-handed.

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These flash mob mass robberies are common place now at convenience stores, phone stores and some fast food places.

If they physically attack customers or employees, deadly force is certainly an option. Call 911 if you can, get your back to a wall and if your family or others are in physical danger, do what you must to protect lives.

If they are only stealing merchandise and then running, deadly force is not an option under most court rulings.

So how can flash mob thefts be stopped? Are we at the point wherein shooting merchandise thieves is a real solution?

Bob Irwin, Las Vegas

About Bob Irwin

Bob is retired after 30 years of ownership of The Gun Store & Indoor Range in Las Vegas. He continues his 2A issues show “Fired Up with Bob Irwin” on YouTube and on KSHP 1400 AM radio (Sunday mornings at 9 a.m.) As a firearm instructor of Concealed Firearm Applicants, Armed Security Officer and Law Enforcement Academies over his career, Bob appears frequently as an expert witness for firearm & use of force cases in Federal, State and local courts.

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andrew betancourt

One of the problems we have in California is that we are electing more jews and gays to the legislature. These people are the worse kind of politicians, all on a mission. Gay people do not like guns, and are quick to forgive miscreants, even those who beat them up. Right now everybody is into ‘trannies’ and gay rights. Take a good look at what you are supporting when you attend that rainbow flag event.

Alan

Re action that took place, according to the above article on 04-24-16, reprehensible as it is, how come it appears on this site now, or is this a rehash?

Eric_CA

In California the Democrat controlled California State Senate passed a measure that will lower the sentences for felons who used a gun in the commission of their crimes. Yes, you read that right. They are reducing sentences for criminals using guns. These are the very same Democrats that constantly create and pass stricter and stricter gun control laws, and who constantly scream, cry and whine about how guns are bad. It’s not just the legislators. It’s the voters that passed propositions 47 & 57.

Alan

Did the state senate in California really do that?

Eric_CA

Alan,

Yes. Google “California State Senate passes bill to lower gun crime”

Sen. Steven Bradford (D-Gardena) said he introduced the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison even though he denied shooting the gun.

SB 620, Firearms: crimes: enhancements. They’re calling it “enhancements” but that’s a misnomer.

Roy D.

Time for a new crop of strange fruit?

Alan

Possibly so.

Chhor

This is what happens when the public and the media wont allow the police to do their jobs. They always cry police brutality when an arrest is being conducted. And the politicians have decriminalized criminal activities

Tionico

No, this is what happens when the PEOPLE abdicate their own responsibility to see to “the security of a free state”. THAT is WHY our Constitution preserves for us, against ALL government action, our RIGHT to arms. Had ten percent of the folks on that train been armed, first, the thugs never would have tried this caper, and second, if they HAD been so stupid, some of them would never do it again. They’d be growing daisies the hard way. So WHY are California disarmed? Because THE PEOPLE have consistently abdicated their own responsibility, and have also returned corrupt politicians… Read more »

jim

You are entirely correct! Freedom is a verb, and needs to be exercised, and preserved by brave strong people.

Alan

As to why Californians are disarmed, if that be the case, it is due to the facts of the clowns elected to law making positions, by the voters. Don’t ask me why such creatures are voted into public office.

Alan

Absolutely nothing like California

A. X. Perez

Hire Gurkhas to ride the BART. Look up Bishnu Shrestha.

Tionico

Might be time to try and obtain some “un-chained” personal defensive tools and have them with you. BART scares me, I won’t use it, but then, such public transport almost never works for me as I’m either not going where they go or have too much “stuff” to bring along. In cases like this, if one WERE armed, despatching a few of the pervs would send a strong message. After that is taken care of, simply abandon the preferred tool, which cannot be traced back to its real owner (who just used it). Hcek, even a small .22 LR revolver… Read more »

oldshooter

I can’t help thinking about a bumper sticker I saw the other day that read,
“Body Piercing by Glock.”

Tionico

Nice. Bet gill will love that one…..

hippybiker

Hey! It’s Kalifornicate and the negros know that no one is armed. It’s like fishing in a barrel.

LDavis

I don’t care what ethnicity, skin color, socio-economic level, or any other PC category is used, these thugs are criminals who used mass numbers and violence to achieve their goals. This is gang violence, even if the perpetrators are not gang members. Note that these gangsters prey upon the trapped and helpless, not the guarded politician. While California’s elected representatives pat themselves on the back for providing free education for all, further restricting freedoms, and increasing taxes upon an already overburdened population, they ignore the growing pattern of crime: large groups, fast assaults, use of violence, complete disregard for individual… Read more »

Old Curmudgeon

You all forget…this occurred in the State of Kalifornia where in most counties it is nearly impossible for an ordinary citizen to get a permit to carry a firearm. Some will argue that the 2nd Amendment is the only permit needed, and in a perfect world, I would agree. However, if you were carrying a firearm in this situation and shot one or more of these thugs…no matter how deserving they were…chances are you’d face more severe criminal charges than the thugs. And then the lawsuits from the families would wipe out everything you own. So….what options are there? 1.… Read more »

Wild Bill

@OC, I agree with what you say, except no. 4. Giving it back is capitulating, and we need the ports. Are PC and corrupt politicians so in control, and crime so out of control that five dozen juveniles bowl over the entire system and target adults? So soon it will be illegal to be over 30?

Old Curmudgeon

My #4 was more tongue-in-cheek than serious. But I refuse to live where I’m not allowed to protect myself and family. With such a large liberal/progressive base and all the illegals, I fear California is a lost cause. With its 55 electoral votes that almost always go to the Democrat nominee, maybe its return to Mexico might not be such a bad idea…at least the Southern half of the state.

Wild Bill

@OC, Oh… I see. Well, Texas is calling.

jim

Here in WA State a couple tracked down their stolen SUV and held the driver and accomplice at gun point until the police could arrive. The media CROWED when the prosecutor decided to investigate whether charges could be leveled AT THE VICTIMS of the theft.
Fortunately the State constitution protects those that would respond to felons and effect Citizens’ Arrests and the charges should be tossed.

Bandit

Thugs such as these deserve only one thing and that is some hot lead on in this case some hot copper, as I say SLUGS FOR THUGS and these were thugs through and through, they needed to have some hot slugs hit them. These so called flash mobs are just another way of saying a flash RIOT they want something for nothing and a captive bunch is the way they see to get what they want, after all the PRESIDENT is cutting welfare so these welfare monkeys needs to get their freebies from somewhere, but to commit crimes that is… Read more »

Roy D.

It’s ok Bob, you can say it. They were and almost always are, negroes. Oh no, did I just write the “N” word?

durabo

To continue the Bowdlerized stream:

“The sun shines bright
On my old Kentucky home:
‘Tis summer, the darkies are gay,….”
(satirical jab attributed to Col. Jeff Cooper. may he rest in peace)

Herb T

Oh dear! The “N” word. Why not try “dark green?” Also notice there are no pictures of the culprits. A lot of people are offended by too much truth. That then requires them to provide excuses to evil.

Silence Dogood

Bob, you need to retire, once again. We don’t need your PC language here. That is the problem. “Juveniles,” “Juveniles,” “Juveniles,” good grief, you think we are all stupid??

durabo

William Bonney, aka Billy the Kid, began his murderous career at thirteen. That makes “juveniles” valid targets. Git’em before they breed!