Restrictive State Concealed Carry Pistol Trends

By John Farnam

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Restrictive State Concealed Carry Pistol Trends
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Ft Collins, CO –-(Ammoland.com)- Handgun trends:

From a friend and colleague in MD:

S&W’s M&P M2.0 in 45ACP has really caught-on here in MD, along with the SIG 320 in the same caliber, and SA’s XD/S in the same caliber, and also the Kahr PM45!

All address a specific political issue when you live in a state like MD (also NY, MA, NJ, CA, CT), where magazine capacity of pistols is legally limited [at point of purchase]. Here in MD, new magazine capacity is limited to ten rounds (for now at least).

The M&P M2.0 and the SIG 320 (both in 45ACP) are double-column pistols, and both are the size of a Glock G19, which many of us consider the ideal size for concealed carry. The SA/XD/S and the Kahr PM45 (both also in 45ACP) are single-column and thus significantly flatter than the former two. Magazine capacity for the double-columns mentioned is ten rounds. For the single-columns, it is 5-6 rounds.

So, you can carry a 6/7-shooter, or (with a little more bulk), an 11-shooter.

The point is this:

Like you, I prefer to carry a high-capacity, double-column 9mm pistol, so I can have 16-20 rounds at my disposal, all without reloading. However, when your carry-gun legally limited to ten-round magazines, there is no point in carrying a pistol with its magazine filled mostly with air, instead of cartridges!

All the above pistols, with standard magazines, can be shipped directly to MD, and may be purchased retail by anyone who is legally able to own guns. And, all are well suited to serious, concealed carry, the specific purpose for which all were designed.

I carry my M&P M2.0 with Cor-Bon 160gr DPX. I am thus perfectly legal, even in MD, yet well armed, by any standard!”

Comment:

Without getting into my customary rant about politics, I have to say that my friend’s strategy makes sense. When you must live in MD, the four pistols mentioned above all represent acceptable choices, particularly the S&W and the SIG.

I carry my Kahr PM45 as a backup, also with Cor-Bon DPX, and have for the past decade. It is comfortable, and it always runs! Many among the small-statured carry it as a main gun. My wife often carries her SA/XD/S, also as a main gun.

I like lots of rounds at my disposal, no doubt. Yet, while we continue to fight against restrictive legislation, I can see why the above pistols are currently popular, particularly in the states mentioned!

“Don’t bang you head against a wall, that has a door in it!” ~ Poker-player’s axiom

/John

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Marc
Marc
3 years ago

Magazine bans are just one of the hat tricks played by anti-gun gun owner hating progressives and liberals that want to control you. They discount your right of self-defense because they expect the government to protect them. Of course, police are under no obligation to do this, even when they finally arrive after violent crimes have been completed and the criminal has left. in addition to magazine capacity limits (which have no impact on criminals or their activities whatsoever) they also want: – Backgound Checks (which fail because they only affect law abiding firearms acquisition, and the terrorists have figured… Read more »

mark bush
mark bush
3 years ago

Or find the pistol that you want go to VA buy it and have the pistol transfered to your local FFL without magazines and that is perfectly legal as long as the pistol is on the pistol registry. The major problem is getting a wear and carry license which is as WZRD says is so rare that out of a state of 2 million there are around 14k such licenses with the majority going to LEO’s

Bob M.
Bob M.
3 years ago

“…shall not be infringed.” At what point does The State get ignored? What’s the tipping point, when everything but a one shot black powder derringer is arbitrarily considered “illegal.” The law is as simple as this: you have a right to personal protection, using whatever means is at your disposal. Legislation is, on the other hand, purely arbitrary when it doesn’t consist of favors to crony donors.

“If the word law has ever meant one thing more than another, that thing has been the will of those in power.” – Josiah Warren

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

M. What do you mean, ” At what point does The State get Ignored?”

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

Okay obviously you do not have the balls nor the common sense to comprehend this so go grab you a 3rd grader that can read English! Have the little tyke read and explained to you the power of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, dim give him a little sippy cup full of Juicy Juice and have him read and explain to you your States Constitution as well. When he finishes there he will probably hand you the sippy cup because his balls will be way bigger than yours and he will have a lot of… Read more »

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

To Bob M and Author: Wzrd, all I can say is there’s nothing but a bunch of pussies here that have absolutely NO BACKBONE, you certainly can’t read, can’t comprehend or know what YOUR Duty AS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN and CITIZEN OF YOUR STATE! Read your damn state constitution and take action to remove those jackasses now! Don’t wait to “vote them out of office” like all the rest of you brain-dead morons do! Below as WZRDS excuse and now I understand WHY he hides behind a curtain! Comment: Wzrd Right, bc it’s that’s easy, & that’s the problem… Read more »

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

@WZRD, what we don’t see in the news is how you removed a corrupt official from office!

Wzrd
Wzrd
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

If I said what I really would like to say the moderators wouldn’t post it. How am I hiding behind a curtain? Bc I don’t have my name posted? I’m not the one insulting people behind a keyboard. Calling people names & talking about sippy cups & ball size, comparing them to children. No irony there. Overcompensate much? Since you’re such a badass former marine please explain it to all of us spineless pussies. Who did you personally remove from office? Tell me how I can do it & then how to make things immediately do a 180 for the… Read more »

Gunwrites
Gunwrites
3 years ago

How soon will NY require that the law-abiding only carry 5 rounds, then 3, then 1, then an empty chamber? Since automobiles cause far more deaths than firearms, are you also limited to the number of gallons of fuel one is allowed to carry in your tank?

John Dunlap
John Dunlap
3 years ago
Reply to  Gunwrites

No, the agenda in the case of automobiles, is to force us all into self driving cars and public transportation. It will then be relatively easy to monitor and control our movements.

Wzrd
Wzrd
3 years ago

And on top of the magazine capacity correction, I’d like to add that for the average citizen LEGAL concealed carry is nearly impossible in MD. Unless you own a legitimate business or can get your employer to write a letter explaining why you need to carry, you’re out of luck. You must pass a 16 hour class that can cost upwards of $300, & a more stringent criminal & medical background check than that required to purchase a firearm. If all goes well & you get past the MSP’s arbiters deciding whether you can exercise your right as a human… Read more »

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Wzrd

I’m considering relocating to Maryland I’ll give you an update as soon as I find out I seriously doubt that after caring for 40 years and owning an executive protection agency that I will have any problem whatsoever getting a permit immediately and without cost.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago

Why don’t you people in these liberal states just get up off your dead asses and start removing these corrupt officials from office by use of the power in your state constitution?

Chuckbone56
Chuckbone56
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

Amen! Stop whining and get to work in the political arena. Texas is among the best states for those wishing to keep and bear arms but we never stop fighting the libtards here that want to deny our constitutional rights. It will never end so get started now. Its kind of like mowing grass. As soon as we cut down one stupid gun control attempt two more grow up.

Wzrd
Wzrd
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

Right, bc it’s that’s easy, & that’s the problem – all us gun owners living in gun-hating states are lazy. It has nothing to do with the liberal to conservative ratio of voting residents. As if there aren’t groups fighting the system everyday. Maybe you failed to see the news about how the AR-15/AK47/mag capacity bans of 2013 were challenged in the 4th district court & the bans were upheld.

ras
ras
3 years ago

Living in the communist state of Konnecticut, I purchased a Sig P320C in .45 ACP and love it. However, will still look forward to moving soon to a more freedom friendly state.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  ras

@ras, quietly sell everything, so as not to start a panic. Texas is calling.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago
Reply to  ras

WB, Virginia could use a few more citizens, too. In recent years we’ve been importing too many comrades from the Carpetbagger states.

GomeznSA
GomeznSA
3 years ago

Heed, isn’t it more a case of the Carpetbaggers being exported from the blue states – importing sounds like y’all are willingly bringing them in. Look at what kommiefornia successfully did to (now) kommierado. What we do NOT need in freedom loving states – like most of Virginia – NOVA is probably already a lost cause – is the pollution that far too many of the baggers bring with them. Look closely at what happened to Austin among the other ‘sanctuary’ cities that are suing Texas over SB4, ya just can’t make this ‘stuff’ up.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  GomeznSA

Austin? Do you mean all those people that wear the Cocks Not Glocks t-shirts, running around with dildos and the judges wearing pussy hats in court? Do you mean to tell me that you are scared of THOSE people?

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

Gregory Romeu, no, we don’t fear those people, we fear that when we get too many in our state, it will become like CA, NY, etc. Northern Virginia is very Leftist, and is the most populous of all the areas of Virginia, which is why we have McAuliffe as Governor. Thankfully the Republicans have control of both houses of the state legislature to mitigate his Leftist ideas. But unfortunately, there isn’t a large enough majority to override his veto on most bills that he rejects.

darrenp1976
darrenp1976
3 years ago
Reply to  ras

Kansas is a ” constitutional carry” state. Would love a new gun friendly neighbor. Here in Ks, the one benefit is you can see your enemy’s coming from along ways away.

Sheldon Steinlauf
Sheldon Steinlauf
3 years ago

Learn both gun safety and accurate use of your weapon including action replacing of a magazine. You won’t need a jumbo capacity magazine. For who don’t want to train, maybe a belt fed weapon would be their choice.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago

Sheldon, so you answer to those less proficient than you, limited by injury, age, health, etc., is oh, well, that’s your problem? What’s wrong with higher cap mags that are standard size? Most full frame 9 fit mags with 17 rounds. If you want to carry fewer, load less or move to states, such as NY, that states that even though the mag can hold ten rounds, you are legally only allowed to carry seven, that is of course unless you are a LEO, a fed, or while active duty military. I personally believe in our founding principles of freedom… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

@SheldonS, Well, that is the nice thing about America, one can choose any golf club he thinks best under the circumstances.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

I am giving some serious thought to that new FN model 249S. Only draw back is that 7 lbs trigger pull.

Sheldon Steinlauf
Sheldon Steinlauf
3 years ago

While folks can carry whatever is legal, my experience over almost six decades of shooting is that many of those who want mega capacity magazines are from the school of spray and pray. I’ve seen many of them shoot. The safest place is right behind the target.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago

Sheldon, the United States Marine Corps would care to differ with you.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregory Romeu

@SS and Greg R, Isn’t more capacity the reason that so many people are going from revolver to semi auto beginning with the armed services, federal leo agencies, and police? Your point about attaining proficiency with your chosen weapon is well taken, but we can get proficient with a weapon that holds more potential, too.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I never made any comments in regards to capacity and made comments in regards to lack of backbone and maintaining your government and demanding that your rights under the 2nd Amendment are not improved in any manner

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

R, My comment was a concurrence with your observation about the Marine Corps., and their probable opinion. I am afraid that my writing was not clear.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

WB, your post was clear. Greg is bull in a china shop. He can’t find his field and is getting angry.

All he has done is raged against everyone, with most of his posts about as useful as Gil’s, to the point I suspect he is another anti-gunner trying to stir up trouble by raging about how weak we are for following the rule of law, and fighting against the anti-gunners civilly and legally. He appears to be the flip-side of Gil.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago

Sheldon, my post was not about “mega” capacity mags, but standard capacity mags that several states have made illegal. As far as larger cap mags, they are good at the range, not good for CC. I haven’t seen the type of shooting your describing at the range I go to. You seem to like making straw man arguments to bolster your opinion, rather than attempt to refute my post.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago

Take a look at what the majority of the county sheriff’s cross the state of Colorado did with the 30 round AR 15 magazine ban!

They handed the governor condom and told him to go F himself!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

@Heed, GR, OV and the other folks out there. There exists a time, place, and circumstances for both the perfect shot and shooting like a mad man, while your RTO sweats blood trying to get a hold of DivArty.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 years ago

oldvet, but that is not a good reason to have a law against more rounds. That is a training issue.

WB, you are correct.

Mike S
Mike S
3 years ago

oldvet sez: “If you need a full auto get a flame thrower..” I’m going to get that made into a t-shirt. Maybe even a bumper sticker. Best laugh I’ve had all day, thanks!! That being said, I also believe in shot placement above pretty much everything else. Squirrel vs BB gun as a kid does teach one not only to lead well, but that you may only get one try. Same applies for CC as I see it, even if I usually carry a 13+1 9mm auto (sometimes a 7+1 380, sometimes 8+1 45acp, but those are for special occasions… Read more »

Richard Polk
Richard Polk
3 years ago

What .12 ga rounds are best vs /home inv.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Polk

Polk, There is a company that makes 12ga. rounds with rubber pellets that would not make as big a mess of the furniture and walls.

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Polk

You always have the Bean Bag Rounds, but then again, you might only get ONE SHOT at saving your life or the lives of those around you. Best believe in 00 Buck!

Christopher
Christopher
3 years ago

Now you can go buy a high cap gun like you prefer! 🙂

D.H.
D.H.
3 years ago

In regards to Maryland, and as a gun store counter jockey, I would make the following correction. There is no magazine capacity restriction on possession or use. MD only prohibits the sale and transfer of magazines over 10 rounds. We routinely tell our customers that they can drive across the state line into Virginia or Pennsylvania and purchase “normal” capacity magazines.
Semper Fi
DH

Gregory Romeu
Gregory Romeu
3 years ago
Reply to  D.H.

OOH RAH DH! As we learned long ago; improvise, adapt and overcome!

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  D.H.

Correct! Now all we, as Marylanders need to do is discharge the DemocRAT-ick communist party members who are a majority of “controllers” in the State of Maryland. The HORRENDOUS Gerrymandering that the DemocRats have done with our voting districts does not help We the People who believe in the Constitution of America.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

, you still might get one chance to dump the democrats. Bernie Sanders is starting up a Peoples’ Party, and plans to take the really left loonies from the current democrat party. Or maybe the democrat party will just bribe him to go away. He needs another beach house.

Lou
Lou
3 years ago

Your friend and colleague is wrong about MD law. The law states you cannot buy or sell magazines over 10 rounds but owning magazines over 10 rounds is perfectly legal. Most everyone purchases magazines out of state. Again legal. You cannot have over 10 round magazines shipped to you but owning otherwise is acceptable.

This editorial does not apply to Maryland.