Three Completely BS Arguments Made By Anti-Hunters

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Sportsmen’s AllianceUSA -(Ammoland.com)- Divisiveness will be the downfall of the outdoors heritage.

Animal-rights organizations prey upon differences of opinion in our ranks, and use it to justify their legislation, court arguments and ballot initiatives. Their sway with non-hunting voters only increases when we repeat similar statements and narrow-minded opinions.

With that said, here are the top-three most absurd statements, arguments and stances from hunters, non-hunters and anti-hunters.

 

  1. “Endangered” Animals

Hunting endangered animals seems like a no brainer – everyone should agree. But what constitutes “endangered”? Certainly, listing under the protections of the Endangered Species Act would be the easiest indicator. Or would it?

Animal-rights groups love to invoke emotional words such as “endangered,” “iconic,” “extinction” and “vulnerable” (usually in conjunction with equally emotional words such as slaughter, senseless and trophy), while resisting actions to remove any game animal from listing (notice they don’t fight removal of non-game animals whose populations reach delisting thresholds). This holds true for animals overseas such as lions and leopards, as well as domestic animals such as wolves and grizzly bears.

What we can do: When it comes to apex predators and removal from an endangered listing, even some hunters hesitate to advocate for management that includes hunting. That’s a mistake hunters should resist with science. Population management takes place at a very local level, and harvest goals are tallied with overall populations, birth and natural mortality rates.

Sportsmen should advocate for the removal of recovered domestic species from the endangered species list, while also supporting regulated hunting of species with monitoring of population levels as required by law.

In foreign countries, regulated hunting of threatened species is often the best, sometimes only, means to fund conservation, protection and enforcement programs, such as habitat and population studies, fences for preserves, anti-poaching teams and prosecution.

Two examples that the Sportsmen’s Alliance are involved in: delisting of Greater Yellowstone grizzly bears; the population has been above delisting standards by more than 25 percent for twice as long as necessary. Additionally, Great Lakes wolves have far surpassed population thresholds for delisting (as high as 12 fold), and it’s been a decade-long legal battle that still rages today.

The ruling and idea that these populations are endangered in these specific areas is ridiculous. It’s akin to saying pheasant hunting shouldn’t take place in South Dakota because the birds aren’t plentiful enough in South Carolina, or that halibut fishing shouldn’t take place in Alaska because Florida doesn’t have any.

 

2. “Trophy” Hunting

The catch-all phrase for conveying a totality of evil in the outdoors, “trophy hunting” has become the animal-rights movement’s go-to descriptor to stop everything from lion hunting in Africa to black bear hunting in Kentucky. The media echoes the use of trophy to paint any hunting as nothing more than a pursuit of heads, horns and hides. As planned, non-hunters are almost immediately swayed to stand against whatever act the words were uttered against.

What’s worse, however, is that many hunters use the same logic, and apply it to everything from predator to deer hunting. Whether it’s simply justification for taking younger/smaller animals or it makes them feel somehow ethically superior is hard to say. But the effect is the same: there are two classes of hunters, and only one has the moral high ground. And that’s a very dangerous position for anyone in the outdoors to take.

What we can do: Stop using the term “trophy hunting” to denote a choice to hunt different specimens of any given species. A trophy is in the eye of the beholder; a person’s first animal (which is usually small game, a bird or female or young big game) is as memorable to them as another’s record-book animal.

Further, the connotation that just because an animal is mature and has desirable qualities (large antlers, long beards or beautiful plumage) that it is somehow undesirable or inferior to eat is a fallacy. They’re not mutually exclusive concepts – an animal can be, and typically is, both a mature “trophy” and a great dinner.

 

3. Killing Only to Eat

Animal-rights organizations know they lose the moral high ground when they condemn nutrition-deficient populations for hunting, such as the poor or subsistence hunters. But somehow the idea of consumption has become the default for acceptable hunting by everyone – including some hunters.

The idea that it’s only acceptable to kill an animal if you eat it is the most idiotic statement made by hunters. It plays into the hands of the animal-rights crowd by, once again, dividing hunters and undermining wildlife management.

What we can do: Stop espousing consumption as the only moral high ground for hunting, and instead promote the fact that hunting itself is the moral high ground that keeps a healthy balance in nature and funds conservation. Hunting is a tool used by biologists to balance populations of predators and prey with the available habitats within an area.

Hunting of animals not suitable for eating maintains an acceptable balance within limited habitats. The idea that consumption must take place ignores the facts that some species negatively impact habitats, carry disease or are undesirable table fare (but still must be removed from the equation) – beavers, raccoons, opossums, prairie dogs and coyotes are but a few examples.
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    Vanns40
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    Lee: “Gil” is an anti-gun troll who tries to consistently bait people on this forum with racist, anti-gun, anti-self defense comments. “Gil” was “outed” months ago as pseudonym for a member of the anti-gun Violence Policy Center. They had another phony who used to frequently comment until he/she was discovered and then they disappeared, never to be heard from again. Then “Gil” suddenly appeared. I have encouraged people not to engage this shill. Simply call him out as a troll and ignore him. If we all do that watch how he’ll suddenly disappear and another will appear. We all have… Read more »

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    The Revelator

    Thank you Vanns40. Good to see you are still going strong. You forgot to mention his hatred and contempt of anything related to Christianity though.

    Hope you had a wonderful Independence day

    Gil
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    Gil

    AL is clearly populated by paranoid militia weirdos who live on the edge of the law and scoiety and romance about “taking back their country with force” if they thought they could get away with it.

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    Its Funny Vanns40, but the one person who is a paranoid Weirdo, on the edge of society, and advocating for the violation of constitutional law is the idiot in question. It is doubly hilarious when you consider that the only people actively using violence to “Take back their country” by force are his cronies in the Antifa and Communist Red Guard movements currently. But then again, it was never their country to begin with. We can also consider how laughable it is that Antifa wears black outfits, with black facemasks, sporting a Antifa patch, and the idiot will never admit… Read more »

    Lee
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    Lee

    to Wild Bill: I only share strategic thoughts online, never tactical.

    XX
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    XX

    Wow, Lee, and you only wear camo too, right? You’re like some survival ninja.

    Rob J
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    Rob J

    Hunter apathy and internal devisivness are the two that are used against us. Many hunters don’t believe there will be enough support for an anti hunting law, maybe they belong to a group and think that is enough. Whatever the reason, a vast majority of hunters refuse to be politically active even as simply as emailing their representatives. They then whine and complain about the unintended consequence of anti hinting law passage. We must be vigilant, we must be proactive, and above all else we must be united that ALL hunting should be defended, no matter our personal participation, or… Read more »

    Gil
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    Gil

    “And if we don’t have the right to shoot people dead we’ll be overrun by criminals.” Whatever.

    Lee
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    Lee

    for Wild Bill: Various skills that will have a tremendous value in broken society.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Lee, Let’s hear them. Whiskey manufacture? Modern medicine without medicine? What is the big secret?

    Lee
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    Lee

    Wild Bill, I only share strategic thoughts online, not tactical. Anyone who notices that I posted this twice, please do not bother to rub my nose in it!

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    Well, Lee, I just thought that if TSHF, we might have a place for a person with skills and that person’s family.

    Lee
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    Lee

    Bill, I am currently very comfortable in South Florida. If anarchy rears its ugly head, I doubt we would even be able to get to you! Thank you for the offer.

    Gil
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    Gil

    How convenient Conservative types such as yourself are primarily interested in living in a broken society? You’re not so different from the Amish – some technology was good but the rest corrupts society.

    hippybiker
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    hippybiker

    PETA=People eating tasty animals.

    Dan
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    Dan

    While I am attempting to understand your approach to this article, I would like to clarify the term “Trophy Hunting” a bit further. This term is often used in reference to those who hunt simply for the thrill of the kill and then leave a wasted carcass behind. In many states this is a criminal offense. Each of us who decide to hunt must come to terms with what is morally correct. Unfortunately the offensive acts of a view are often used to create a distasteful portrayal of the many. Hence I guess I have reached the very purpose of… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Dan, I don’t know anyone who leaves the carcass behind. I think that is a leftist created scenario used in their anti hunting and anti-Second Amendment Civil Rights propaganda. Even safari hunters give the meat to the nearest village. The problem with leftists is that they will not allow each of us to decide for our selves. They want to force everyone else to live according to their theories. Never mind that hunting would ever effect them in any way, they have a theory and are willing to force it on everyone else.

    Rob J
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    Rob J

    @Wild Bill, I personally don’t know anyone that would do so either… if I did I guarantee we wouldn’t be acquainted long. That said, just last year there was a whole herd of elk dropped in one of our more productive mid state game management units. This was done out of season and the 20+ elk had their hind quarters removed with the rest left in the field. Of course these were not “hunters” but poachers and subject to criminal charges. Yet actions such as these are used against us each and every day… much the same tha every shooting… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Rob J, That is a heck of a lot of Elk. That would take more than one person. Doesn’t your local game warden or sheriff have a system of snitches? Low level criminals like that can not keep their mouths shut for long.

    Rob J
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    Rob J

    @Wild Bill, There’s conjecture and guess that this was done by tribal members as that is where evidence points. However, nothing can or will be done by non tribal police if this is the case, but the evidence led to the tribal lands and that’s where further investigation stalled out.

    Of course this is all supposition as making such a claim here in WA against any tribe for any fish or game related reason, no matter how wasteful, is akin to being John McLain standing on a street corner in Harlem wearing a sandwich board.

    Gil
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    Gil

    “Me Great White Hunter give you much meat because you too simple to figure it out for yourselves.”

    Ricochet007
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    Ricochet007

    There are also a couple of scenarios where carcasses are left behind, but not hunters. Poachers, who cannot properly be called hunters, because true hunters are ethical sportsmen, often cut off an animal’s head and leave the carcass to rot, both here and overseas. Another example is the activist antis who do so in order to photograph the mayhem that they blame on hunters. Greenpeace is a perfect example of this, they beat baby seals with clubs to blame it on natives in the artic. It didn’t even happen except for Greenpeace doing it. The public needs educcated on the… Read more »

    XX
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    XX

    This whole article is BS. Beginning with the laughable photo of a black guy and his son out on a pleasant day’s hunt in the sunny woods. That was worthy of a chortle. Minorities do hunt, but they form a minuscule percentage of hunters in this country. Better that you had shown a picture of a couple of toothless southern crackers out hunting hogs in the Okefenokee. I’m not against all hunting, but you hunting cheerleaders really do talk some refried Sh7t. 1. Endangered Animals. You really don’t care if they are endangered or not. They are given to you… Read more »

    Gil
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    Gil

    True that.

    Darren P.
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    Darren P.

    Go hunting then with me gil, put your cock warmer were your money is and let’s go.

    Bravas Nidi
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    Bravas Nidi

    Your feelings are hurt, so you have to resort to foul language and racist rhetoric? Your seething anger and ignorance are the main message I got from your post. I know a lot of people that enjoy hunting, and I don’t really care why. I am just glad we are not totally overrun with the whitetail deer that are a nuisance in our area because of it. Cheaper to goto the store? really? At $5 a pound for beef now, and ammunition being under $1 a shot, even with a modest gun purchase one decent size deer is a break… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @BN, A black fellow and his son trap will feral hogs on my land down by the river. It is not hunting exactly because first the hogs are caught then shot in the head. This fellow and his family have no problem with the whole killing thing. And at Christmas he brings me a couple of slabs of the best ribs that I ever tasted. I think that minorities are no different.

    XX
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    XX

    Yep, my feeling are hurt. I’m hugging a tree right now and crying uncontrollably. Sorry my language is not PC enough for you, but if you frequent this forum, you’ll have seen much worse. You’re just offended that I don’t agree with you. Racist? lol. You don’t think use of that photo is exploitative? It’s an old right wing party piece–drag out the minorities when you can use them to make a point, ignore them and revile them when you don’t. Yes, cheaper to go to the store. If you are talking about deer hunting, most hunters pay licenses to… Read more »

    Lee
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    Lee

    I hate hunting and love target shooting. If things get bad enough, and they may if your local grocer no longer has food for you, I hope I live near some seasoned hunters so I can barter my talents for theirs. Guess what… you will too.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Hmm, not quite sure about the hate hunting thing. Do you think meat magically comes shrink wrapped and falls into the grocery store? Being able to hunt, gut and quarter a deer is an invaluable skill set that may knot only save your life but is something you can easily pass down to another generation.

    When I was younger I used to keep the freezer filled with quail, rabbits, geese & ducks. Once in a while the occasional deer.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Oh I hate auto spell ck— “not”

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Lee, What talents do you propose to barter?

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Vann, Stores mean re-supply. What if there were no re-supply? No electricity, no refrigeration, food production, or clean water. No food production or clean water means mass starvation, epidemic disease, looting, and cannibalism.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    @wildbill Like cockroaches there will always be Walmart! What? No Walmart? It truly is the end of the world!

    Gil
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    Gil

    Conservatives love the “what if” extreme event. I wonder how many Conservatives know how supplement their wild meat with wild fruits, graina and vegetables so they don’t die if modern society vanished?

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    And where do you think all those taxes from the license’s, ammo etc go? I suppose you’re not a hunter so you’ve never heard of the Pittman-Robertson Act, instituted by hunters for preservation of wildlife. As for the rest of your diatribe regarding hunting of big game, your ignorance is astonishing. You’re not a hunter so that sort of explains some of it but even a casual “let Google be your friend” would show the extent of ignorance you exhibit. There’s an old saying “better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re a fool than open it… Read more »

    XX
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    XX

    I am a hunter, nitwit. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Deer and sometimes Pheasant. I just don’t subscribe to “the sun shines out of the hunter’s ass” school of thought. Wholesale killing of things because we can is the weakest, lamest, most cowardly bs on the planet. As for BIG GAME (whoa! that sounds impressive, doesn’t it?) hunting, that is for pathetic wealthy toolbags with compensation issues. The only people I hate more are trappers who are, without exception, inbred, low IQ, bottom feeders.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Vanns, Either he lies about being a hunter or he is really jealous of big game hunters. If not a hunter, that would explain some of his ignorance, but if he is a hunter, as he claims, then what explains his ignorance.
    I remember him giving a list of guns that he claimed to own. None of the guns that he claimed to own could be used to hunt deer or pheasant. Maybe he had not anticipated todays diatribe. Nor has he weened off of insult.

    mw
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    mw

    So you would rather see animals like deer overpopulate and have them killed by cars or starve to death . So do you think that you have more scientific knowledge over the states DEC.. people like you don’t understand heard or predator control. for all the people who hunt that I know eat the game that is shot. It our right to hunt no matter what you say or think .

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Not just a right, an absolute necessity to preserve all species.

    Gil
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    Gil

    Maybe we can blame Black people problems when Whites were no longer allowed to hunt and lynch Blacks?

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    XX: You sound like a very angry person and that doesn’t sound like any hunter I’ve ever known. Further, your lack of knowledge on management of wildlife is pretty unsettling since you claim to be a hunter.

    I’d suggest you study up.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    When he says, “I am a hunter, nitwit.” I believe that he meant, ” I am a nitwit hunter.” if he is a hunter at all.

    James Andrews
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    James Andrews

    Sorry, but you’re an idiot. Not even worth responding to. Hunting is a necessity, in many parts of the world, includin g the U.S., and for many reasons.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @James Andrews, Their whole inexperienced theory of hunting is fallacious. When I harvest a deer, I cape it, skin the hide, and take the carcass to the butcher. The cape goes to the taxidermist. I salt, stretch, scrape, and tan the hide (hair on) myself. The butcher does his part. You never get that at the store. Nor is there any disrespect in it. I don’t even waste the gut pile. I overwatch the gut pile for a few days for predators that need to be eliminated. Once a part Labrador retriever puppy came to the gut pile. I suppose… Read more »

    Country Boy
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    Country Boy

    Spoken like a true liberal/socialist/progressive democrat who truly are the most ignorant, racist and facist people on earth

    XX
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    XX

    Not true, Cuntry Boy, you just like to think you are smarter, but without “liberals” you’d be living in a concrete toxic toilet of your own making. You owe them. You should all move to Texas. I would love to see that.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Country Boy, Yes, it is so. And so hostile, for one who can not spell. It is no wonder that he has little credibility and no one likes him. Damn that rap music!

    XX
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    XX

    haha! Old Useless Bill won’t reply to my posts directly because he thinks I get paid for each reply I generate by some shadowy left-wing puppet master. It’s quite hilarious to witness. He’s outsmarted himself.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    I’ll reply to you directly. I’ve read everything you’ve written and I’ll just say it, I don’t believe you’re a hunter. In fact I believe you may be a troll. Far too many inconsistencies. Adios.

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    @xx, did you forget to take your meds today or did your momma whip your little a&& for choking your chicken again.

    Gil
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    Gil

    Rather hunting is primarily the contempt for life and having the power of death over others. Hence those who have never taken an animal’s life will freeze even with a gun in a violent scenario.

    King
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    King

    Gil, you are a tool. I hunt because besties taste GOOD. I have no “contempt” for any animal. Not even primates like you.

    Lee
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    Lee

    Gil, do you believe that we have entered some sort of Golden Age again (which was a fallacy then as now) where no harm will come to anyone?

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Please, do NOT feed the trolls, especially the VPC trolls.

    Lee
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    Lee

    Hi Vanns40: Part of my work involves educating without bias, so my natural instincts kick in. If I see something in an open forum that appears to be a seriously dangerous idea, or opinion based on inaccuracies, I pass on the best information I have on the subject. That is how our American culture primarily functioned until a few decades ago. We used to be known as the world’s best problem solvers because of that. Now… a lot of us have lost their way. Most have swung back on a pendulum into tribalism.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @King, he says that, “… hunting is primarily the contempt for life…” But later he claims to be a hunter. Can he believe this and be a hunter at the same time? Such internal turmoil. Perhaps a local prostitute could help.

    XX
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    XX

    Get your story straight, Old Useless Bill. Not a contempt, but a callous disregard for life by many (including yourself) in the hunting community. To you, animals are just things to be used, killed, tortured and exploited without conscience or consequence.

    Inner turmoil? Is that what I’ve got? Is your bunny ranch open for business?

    Gil
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    Gil

    The U.S. was founded by Conservative Christians for Conservative Christians and they will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    But TS or XX, those were your words. You picked the words. And it was your story. And back to mere empty insults. How disappointing. You got two things right, a few days ago. And I had great hopes for you.
    As for my animals, some are blind, some are deaf, one has a $7,000 (pre-Obama dollar) titanium knee. Had the same surgeon and Joe Namath. Some have no home, but I feed them. All in recognition of past faithful service.
    No, it is leftists and elitists that I distain.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    That would be a long drive for you. You do drive? I am sure that you already know of something in your area.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Gil = VPC TROLL

    Lee
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    Lee

    This comment was prompted by Gil:
    The founders included a few other religious groups, besides the majority Protestant Christians, in the discussions that led to finalizing the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. The signatories included Muslims and Jews, not to mention that all three religions are based on the Ten Commandments and the teachings of the Jews. Why do you think the Constitution protects all religions and races? I know that some of you may not react well to the above… but is is true.

    Gil
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    Gil

    Conservatives are warming up to Islam? Wow.

    Ricochet007
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    Ricochet007

    King, I think that’s an insult to tools. Tools are at least useful, but I do agree with the sentiment.