How Government Fees Discourage Concealed Carry – Summary Report

By Rob Morse : Research

State By State Constitutional Carry Status
State By State Constitutional Carry Status
Slow Facts
Slow Facts

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- Thirty states issue concealed carry permits to the law abiding citizens who ask for them.

Two third of us live in those “shall-issue” states where we were issued 14 million permits to carry a firearm in public.

We paid to exercise that “human right.”

The state mandated fees and training requirements vary widely from state to state.  The states that imposed more hours of training also imposed high fees.  Ordinary citizens responded to those costs in predictable ways.

Millions of us were discouraged from legal concealed carry due to the costs and restrictions.

CCW Rates vs Fees
CCW Rates vs Fees

Politicians impose all kinds of requirements before citizens receive permission to carry a concealed firearm in public.  The common excuse is public safety, and there is always another infringement that can be rationalized to make us safer.  There is no evidence that these infringements actually reduce crime.  Those of us with our permits today paid over 4 billion dollars and spent over 65 million hours in class to receive our carry licenses.  We did this to exercise the human right to keep and bear arms.  The burdensome fees and training requirements disarmed approximately 11 million US citizens.

More than twice as many of us would carry concealed if unrestricted carry, (also called constitutional carry) were the law of the land.

Those costs are not spread evenly.  Gun control disproportionately disarms the poor.  Poor people, particularly those who live in our inner city, face a greater risk of crime and violence.  They are significantly more likely to be victims of violent crime than the average US citizen.

Disarming those of us who are at the greatest risk of crime puts more of us in danger and costs lives.

The original detailed reports are here:

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About Rob Morse
The original article is here.  Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob is an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

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Gunwrites
Gunwrites
3 years ago

In Montana we passed a Constitutional Permitless Carry Bill. The Democratic Governor promptly vetoed it. When I wrote him he replied he did not want permitless carry to interfere with the “shall issue” permitting process done through the County Sheriffs. WTF?!?! It would have removed the burden of issuing permits and saved the citizens a “processing fee”($40.00). I wrote him back and told him his lame excuse was known as a “cop out”.

Tom King
Tom King
3 years ago

I have an Arkansas CHL. I have had it since shortly after they became available. I will not be renewing it. Arkansas is a constitutional carry state. Even though many of the state’s officials do not admit it. Carrying of a weapon, to include handguns may be done as long as in is in a lawful manner. Described in AR act 746 of 2013.

Jim Macklin
Jim Macklin
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom King

They already know who you are. You can save a few dollars by not renewing BUT even in Arkansas the Federal GFSZ exception requires that you have a license.
If we get HR38 passed into law, the reciprocity will also cover out of state GFSZ.
Having the license means you are still counted in the political mix.
In a perfect world, no city or state would be requiring a license but for now, having a license is better than not having te license for several reasons.

Jim John
Jim John
3 years ago

Um, I think you may want to check your map for accuracy. Might want to change the Staye of Idaho to a Constitutional Carry State, no CWP required, as of July 1, 2016. Not sure what other States have changed but this one is definitely not accurate on tour map there.

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago

Another thing that irks me (that I can’t do anything about but gripe) is like in the case of the judge that got ambushed recently. I don’t know about other places but here, in TN, it’s not PERMISSIBLE (a felony, I believe) to carry firearms into a court room, unless of course, you’re a duly sworn officer of the law…aka, police officer. This judge wasn’t. He was an appointed lawyer to a judges position yet, not only was he allowed to carry to “protect himself”…but the gun was GIVEN to him by one of his ballifs or another LEO. Now,… Read more »

Jim Macklin
Jim Macklin
3 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Clark

“Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1306 (a) No person shall intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry on or about the person while inside any room in which judicial proceedings are in progress any weapon prohibited by § 39-17-1302(a), for the purpose of going armed; provided, that if the weapon carried is a firearm, the person is in violation of this section regardless of whether the weapon is carried for the purpose of going armed… (c) The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to any person who: (1) Is in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer, or… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim Macklin

, You have identified the institutionalization of elitism. Well done to both gentlemen. See you all at the repub primary or caucus, when we send non-rino candidates to the general election.

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim Macklin

Jim, thanks for pointing that out. A little research would’ve done me good. Still fits what Bill is saying though.

Jim Macklin
Jim Macklin
3 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Clark

I’d like perfection and perfect government. Since those are very unlikely I want limited constitutional government. Problem is that from 1820 until 2008 states were able to pass many laws that do not fit my reading of the federal or state constitutions. State Supreme Courts are almost always VERY political and often not legal scholars or historians. Since Scalia wrote HELLER very few federal courts or state courts have reviewed exactly what Scalia said. Scalia did not say that all the laws that have been on the books are constitutional. Rather he warned that until the Court grants cert and… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Clark

@WC, You have identified the everyday, garden variety, practice of elitism!

Brother Boles
Brother Boles
3 years ago

Only because you let them. I can read and if it is not Constitutional I do not follow it. I will carry when I want to or feel the need to. If every permit carrier tore up their permit on the statehouse lawn and said we will not comply with this illegal regulation they may get the idea. Organize and stand up to these jack boot thugs. I am an American citizen with a GOD given right to protect myself and a Constitutional right to protect myself. It’s clear enough to me you can not enforce a unconstitutional law without… Read more »

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago
Reply to  Brother Boles

That definitely would make a statement. Their reaction may not be as clear cut as “get(ting) the idea” in a positive way though. Until it is made a law to not need a permit, tearing them up on the statehouse lawn may just invoke some jail time…if you’re carrying. Most assuredly, if you never had one & were carrying. A law, no matter how unjust, has to be changed from within the confines of law. Although I DO understand your reasoning as to WHY you carry when you want or need to, doing so without a “legal” permit, kind of… Read more »

Ricochet007
Ricochet007
3 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Clark

Maybe Boles is willing to become a “test case” to get the law declared unconstitutional. Basically until that happens, or the law is changed, they’ll still enforce it, no matter whether it’s Constitutionally legit or not. I do think that more Supreme Court decisions in favor of individuals’ and states’ rights should be brought to bear cross the board nationally. Maybe then Constitutional Carry would be recognized nationwide, as it should be and should always have been. Repeal the Gun Control Acts of 1934, 1968, etc. and disband the ATF. That alone would save millions of tax dollars and free… Read more »

Larry Brickey
Larry Brickey
3 years ago

I, too, am retired on a fixed income. Fortunately I live in a state (WA) where the fees aren’t high, yet.

Colonialgirl
Colonialgirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Larry Brickey

Have you paid any attention to the left winger Nazi/Fascist laws against firearms being passed in your State Lately?

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
3 years ago

maryland is one of the “may issue” states. These are the requirements: 1.) You must own a business that handles money, 2.) You must PROTECT someone else’s money – security guard – money transport, 3.) You must PROVE via court documents that you are in imminent danger from someone else – OFTEN not recognized or accepted, 3a.) You must know a politician who will bypass the maryland state police board that decides whether you meet the above 3 criteria. 3b.) You are a retired Policeman “in good standing”. . 99% of the time Marylanders are DENIED a carry permit by… Read more »

Ken J. Bower
Ken J. Bower
3 years ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

Absolutely Correct! Maryland is the worst shitHole for concealed carry! It’s like a democratic dictatorship for a State!

joe martin
joe martin
3 years ago

The Federal government did away with poll taxes in the 60s (24th Amendment) as it was a fee upon a Constitutional right (voting). The same should apply to exercising ANY Constitutional and/or inalienable right of the people. If it was deemed unconstitutional to charge a fee to exercise your right to vote, it should be equally unconstitutional to charge a fee to exercise your 2nd Amendment right to “keep and bear arms”.

DrSique
DrSique
3 years ago
Reply to  joe martin

Well said, Joe. Seems that the abridgement of the 2A doesn’t offend enough Americans, as does say the trampling of free speech………………not counting the leftists, ANTIFA,etc………..

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  joe martin

m, Yes, you are correct the governments can not use their powers and authorities (e.g. power to tax, authority to concrol commerce) to diminish a Civil Right… any of our Civil Rights. But government, mainly through regulatory agencies is diminishing our Civil Rights, and getting away with it.
Elitist politicians, industrialists, and lobbyists are making inconceivable fortunes abridging our Civil Rights. The remedy is the revolution that Trump represents. We must send new and different people to Congress to continue that revolution.

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild BILL, that’s the dig. Gun rights are not a Civil Right but rather, a natural right, given to us by God Almighty…or, nature, if you’re atheist. FindLaw.com, describes civil rights as this; “Civil rights are an expansive and significant set of rights that are designed to protect individuals from unfair treatment; they are the rights of individuals to receive equal treatment (and to be free from unfair treatment or discrimination) in a number of settings — including education, employment, housing, public accommodations, and more — and based on certain legally-protected characteristics.” No government can lawfully NOT permit you to… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Clark

@Wayne Clark, Yes our “gun rights” are an part of our God given right to defend ourselves. Because they are enumerated in the Second Amendment to our Constitution, (often referred to as the Bill of Rights) they are also referred to as a civil right, and properly so, as are all of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are civil rights. What ever nomenclature that you wish to use does not diminish the scope, impact, importance or fundamental nature of those rights. The definition’s author did a nice beginning job of describing rights, but not a complete one.… Read more »

Bud
Bud
3 years ago

Carry it. Conceal it. Don’t talk about. Government’s desire to license everything is not only about control, it’s about revenue.

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago

I can appreciate the fortitude of those willing to carry with no license. To me, that is how it should be. Imposing a fee to exercise a right is not only unconstitutional…but reprehensible & our government officials should be ashamed of themselves…democrat or republican…that this precidence has been allowed to even be an issue. That being said, the truth that I personally, cannot afford to not only obtain a permit without scrimping & saving over the course of months, if not years, because I’m on a fixed income & all the other necessities of life, seem to gobble up what… Read more »

rbdj
rbdj
3 years ago

I live in NJ, it’s not a money thing, They just don’t issue the so called permits, If you live in NJ your not getting a permit to carry no matter how many fees you pay

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

B (B) B, Just don’t put a statue of an American history hero on your lawn. Like Johnny Appleseed… he was obviously prejudiced against black walnuts.

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I wish they had “like” buttons for comments cause that definitely would get one!

Steve
Steve
3 years ago

Yep. For me, it’s $100 for the training, a $100 for the permit, about $75 dollars in gas, a motel room ($75), two days of class and a day of driving. Plus three days of restaurant chow, maybe another $100. About $450. Yee ha. What a deal, huh? I get $1k/month retirement income. So, no permit for me.

Roy D.
Roy D.
3 years ago

Concealed means concealed. I know someone who carried for twenty years prior to it being legally sanctioned by the state. Concealed means concealed.

James Brigham (Bigg) Bunyon
James Brigham (Bigg) Bunyon
3 years ago
Reply to  Roy D.

I’ve carrier a gun to defend myself since 1967 I’ve never carried a gun to make a political statement and likely never will. If I wish to express a political position without speaking, I’ll just carry a properly worded sign or wear a T-shirt with the message. Yeah yeah, I should be free to express myself in any manner I can dream up. If you need to make a statement via some carry scenario, then good on ya. Just be sure you’re getting the right message across and are willing and prepared to deal with the consequences of your decision.

Tionico
Tionico
3 years ago
Reply to  Roy D.

Trouble is, depending on the state of your presence at the time caught, the consequences for carrying without a Mother May I Card can be severe….. witnessNew Jersey, New York……. a thousand dollar felony, and in New Jersey, another thousand dollar felony for every hollow point round you happen to have with you. If you happen to be a person of means, they MIGHT, after some consideration, offer a plea bargain of something like disorderly conduct, suspend most of the monetery penalty, but keep the felony charges on you, rendering you disabled from owning any firearm ever, and most likely… Read more »

Jim Macklin
Jim Macklin
3 years ago
Reply to  Roy D.

If you carry without a a legal provision and have to actually decide whether you can USE the weapon for self-defense you will likely decide to not use it or you will use it and run away. Then your “legal use of force” becomes a statistical crime. Dead body found. It isn’t a deterrent to street crime because there is no news about a bad guy shot while trying to jack a car or rape a woman. Kansas passed a concealed carry law in 2006. It was “shall issue” and the cost was based on actual cost of processing. The… Read more »