After Charlottesville, Open Carry Is Now A ‘Loophole’… VIDEO

By Jeff Knox : Opinion

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Buckeye, AZ –-(Ammoland.com)-  Opponents of gun rights are now using the horror and stupidity of the Charlottesville protests to declare open carry of firearms a “loophole,” which of course must be closed posthaste.

Demonstrators in Charlottesville assaulted each other with rocks, bottles, sticks, clubs, chemical agents, and hands and feet in the area around the “Unite the Right” rally, but no one fired a gun.

After the rally had been broken up, a demonstrator drove a car through a crowd, killing one woman, and injuring many others, but still, no gun was used. These facts are irrelevant to those opposed to individual rights though, as they point to Charlottesville and demand an end to open carry during political rallies – which they say “chills” other people's free speech rights – and a ban on concealed carry during such events, because… “Guns.”

We've seen this sort of fear-mongering for political gain play out in the past.

California enacted laws against open carry after the Black Panther Party staged an armed march on the state capitol. Again, no one was shot or threatened, but the group's decision to legally display their arms served as the justification for passage of carry prohibitions in California and elsewhere, and contributed to passage of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968.

It's worth noting that among the most outspoken proponents of these restrictions on rights are the very people who bear the most responsibility for the events in Charlottesville going so terribly wrong: Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, and Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer.

The First Amendment can be a very uncomfortable thing. The core of the right to free speech – especially political speech – boils down to the statement that used to appear at the top of many newspaper editorial pages: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” The concept is simple at the theoretical level, but gets complicated in the real world. People opposed to certain speech, whether it be burning a U.S. flag, or spouting racist views, like to point out that the First Amendment only applies to government, and does not require individuals to tolerate “hateful” speech. That's true, but the government has an obligation to not only “allow” free speech, but to protect it as well. No one has the right to use force to squelch free speech, particularly in a public space. And the government has a sacred obligation to guard that right, regardless of how repugnant or hurtful that speech may be.

In the case of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, the government not only failed in their obligation to protect the free speech rights of the rally organizers and attendees, it looks like they intentionally conspired to allow those rights to be assaulted and suppressed.

Several months ago, organizers of the rally applied for, and received all of the necessary permits to legally hold their rally. Later, government officials tried to cancel those permits, but their efforts were blocked by a federal judge. The local and state government knew that the views of many involved in the rally were extremely unpopular, and would undoubtedly draw counter-protesters. They also knew that protests against groups much less controversial than this one, had been met with significant violence in recent months. The obligation of the mayor and governor was to protect the rights of the rally attendees, and to keep the peace.

Not only did they fail in their obligation to protect speech in the public square, they set the stage to guarantee failure, and to invite violence.

The number one rule in situations like this is to keep the factions separated, but authorities allowed counter-protesters to congregate right up to the minimal barrier surrounding the park where the rally was to be held. Rally attendees were forced to run a gauntlet of protesters in order to get into the park, and police did little to protect them from protesters, or protesters from them, as they made their way to the rally. As violence began to break out before the rally, police retreated, ostensibly to don riot gear (which they curiously weren't already wearing) leaving the warring factions to do battle. Then, apparently on orders from the governor, the legally permitted rally, which hadn't officially started yet, was declared an “unlawful assembly” and the police in their riot gear marched out, not to push back the protesters who were assaulting the legally permitted rally, but to push the rally attendees out of the park, into the streets full of protesters.

Who could have guessed that this wouldn't end well?

The rally attendees were not openly carrying guns, but there were two factions of “militia” openly carrying firearms. One group was a combined “patriot militia” of about 35 people (which interestingly included at least one African American and at least one openly gay person). This group disavowed the views of both sides, saying they were only there to protect people and defend free speech. The other “militia” group was a contingent of about 20 people from a communist organization called Redneck Revolt, closely associated with the liberal John Brown Gun Clubs. They were openly associated with the counter-protesters, and provided security at their staging area in another nearby park.

Leftist Hate Group : Redneck Revolt Brought Guns
Leftist Hate Group : Redneck Revolt Brought Guns

Both “militia” groups conducted themselves professionally, and even though they were assaulted repeatedly, the “patriot militia” was credited with preventing much violence and rendering assistance to injured people from both sides. No one was shot or even threatened.

When a Black Lives Matter supporter assassinated 5 police officers in Dallas, the media and politicians insisted that his actions shouldn't reflect on the group as a whole, regardless of their inflammatory rhetoric, which often calls for the killing of police officers.

When an accused white supremacist ran a car into a crowd in Charlottesville, the media and politicians blame everyone to the right of center, and call for sweeping new gun control.

Why would anyone think there is a double-standard in this country?

Neal Knox - The Gun Rights War
Neal Knox – The Gun Rights War

About Jeff Knox:

Jeff Knox is a second-generation political activist and director of The Firearms Coalition. His father Neal Knox led many of the early gun rights battles for your right to keep and bear arms. Read Neal Knox – The Gun Rights War.

The Firearms Coalition is a loose-knit coalition of individual Second Amendment activists, clubs and civil rights organizations. Founded by Neal Knox in 1984, the organization provides support to grassroots activists in the form of education, analysis of current issues, and with a historical perspective of the gun rights movement. The Firearms Coalition has offices in Buckeye, Arizona and Manassas, VA. Visit: www.FirearmsCoalition.org.

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I said this before, the fact that the armed people did not fire a shot is very impressive. Their ability to keep cool while being tantalized and hit with objects show that gun carrying people are more sensible than the liberals that were hired to cause a very bad situation. Regardless of what you call them, they had a permit and kept their cool. Only the media can make them look like bad guys. This country has raised some really sick people.

Joe
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Joe

Tracy,
When someone asks you what’s in your safe the only correct answer is “none of your business.” Although I must admit it’s impressive, but still – none of your business!

tracy
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tracy

Yeah
But Vanns40 was being such an butt, I wanted to shut him up.

Anyway, the list is on my insurance, the ATF probably didn’t destroy the background checks, so they have it too, and as long as I stay on the right side of the law, I figure what the heck.

Jim
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Jim

Just look at Venezuela. When the dictatorship banned privately owned firearms who turned at events with them. The pro dictatorship mobs. The same thing that is happening there is now occurring here. Hussein and his so called democratic party are working with Cuba and the Russians to end our Republic. They are Winning! The sad thing is the Republicans led by McCain and McConnell are actively assisting them.

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oldvet

@Revelator … check tracy out , sounds like eXcrement eXcrement has changed its name again.

oldvet
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oldvet

No on second thought eXcrement eXcrement could never continue a conversation that long.

oldvet
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oldvet

Ammoland what is going on you are deleting my coments before I even finish typing them.

oldvet
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oldvet

Well I’m not even getting moderated anymore just deleted

Jim
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Jim

Very disappointed in the 2nd Amendment Foundations public comments on this.

Notalima
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Notalima

If Black Lives Matter was holding a protest in that park, and white supremacists showed up in a violent counter-protest, does anyone believe that the Governor and Police would have acted in the same manner?

No, the supremacists would have been sicked upon by the police at the order of the Governor. Arrests made, and examples made of them.

tracy
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tracy

The presence of militia armed with AR-15 did nothing to advance the right of gun owners. I would go as far to say that it was STUPID idea. Yes, they acted in a restrained manner. Yes, they were discipline enough not be drawn into a situation that would call for the use of deadly force. And Yes, It was their legal right to do so. But I would like to know if these militia had the forethought to develop rule of engagements that clearly provided a thorough understanding of the legal requirements necessary to use deadly force. Even the Police… Read more »

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Wait a minute, you said they acted in a restrained manner, were disciplined and didn’t allow themselves to be drawn into the fray. They also obeyed all laws and DID render assistance to those that were injured. Exactly what is your problem, then, with anything they did? Or are you just trying to suppose a worst case scenario which never occurred? Further, why should they carry concealed? Open carry has been legal in Virginia for more than 150 years. Relatively speaking it’s only concealed carry that has been allowed recently. Before that you were considered to be of a “criminal… Read more »

tracy
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tracy

Since nothing went wrong simply because they got lucky. Past performance is no guarantee for future events. The primary result of their action is to cause a backlash by gun grabbers and new calls to SHEEPLE to ban open carry rights. I am sure that those individuals who open carry for self protection will thank them if the DEMOCRAPs are successful in passing legislation banning open carry. If they wished to act as medical first responders, they don’t need to carry ARs to render aid. The same reason my military medics or corpsmens do not traditionally carry rifles into combat.… Read more »

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Vanns40

Your arguments are specious. Their stated goal was not to “backup” law enforcement, it was self protection. They do not operate in any manor under the same rules as those of medics in the military. As for assisting Democrats in their never ending quest, if you believe anything we do or say would ever be enough to placate them you’ve not been living on the same planet as the rest of us. You NEVER, under any circumstances, give up a Right in hopes that those that wish to curtail that Right Will somehow be appeased. They will not. History is… Read more »

tracy
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tracy

Since one of their stated goals is to protect free speech.

If one group starts throwing rocks, bottles and melee with clubs, how do you believe that having an AR for self-protection will be used to protect free speech?

Will to start shooting people preventing one group stopping another group’s free speech. Or were they planning to go into direct physical contact, holding AR like clubs?

tracy
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tracy

It is the role of the police to protect free speech balance with the need to maintain public order, not a militia.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Tracy: They held a line to protect demonstrators. When it was clear that police were refusing to do their job and arrest violent protesters they did exactly what they should have done, they pulled back, which they were able to safely do. They endured taunting, verbal assault and being spit on while the police did nothing. Why don’t you start asking the Governor and the police why they stood by and did nothing? The very few that were armed and it was only a few acted with incredible restraint and composure, unlike the violent rioters on both sides.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, actually that is not the role of the police. You are misinformed.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Wow Tracy, did you just can your entire line of reasoning with that last statement. And when the police refuse to maintain order and protect people, what then Tracy? Who?

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@wildBill is correct. The courts have ruled that the police have no obligation to protect the individual, only society as a whole — whatever that entails

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, Throwing a rock or bottle or using a club is deadly force. It is credible deadly force, and It is imminent deadly force. Which reminds me three are no “rules of engagement” in the US. Rules of engagement are a commander’s tool to prevent getting sucked into an unplanned engagement, and only apply to OCONUS combat.
And finally, where ever did you get the notion that you could defend free speech by shooting? If someone throws a rock at you, they are not trying to destroy your free speech. They are trying to destroy you!

Laddyboy
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Laddyboy

Agreed! I have problems with FASCISTS having weapons during a “demonstration” that the DemocRAT-ICK communist party member called the ‘governor’ and the ‘mayor’ tried to instigate the RIOT which DID happen. All of OUR American RIGHTS which were RESTATED in the Amendments MUST be USED daily against the government which through time has become a TYRANNICAL government. I hope and pray President D. J. Trump can help bring America back from the “black-hole” of communism.

Joe
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Joe

Tracy, I agree with your premise. But people don’t open carry for self protection. A concealed firearm is a better tool than a weapon your enemy has access to. It is tactically poor to advertise your strength to your opponent. Open carry is a political statement about a right one has, and about a right one is trying to protect. The fact that it accomplishes neither of those purposes, does not seem to sink in. A man walks down the street with his little daughter. He has no strong feelings pro or con on the gun issue. They pass a… Read more »

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Vanns40

Joe: Nice opinion and you’re entitled to it but there are absolutely no facts to back it up one way or the other.

Cute trick with the father daughter routine. You, of course, leave out the very teachable moment where the father informs his daughter about self protection, the different types of carry and answers her next question “well Daddy, where’s your gun so you can protect me?”.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Joe, Soldiers and police open carry for a good tactical reason. Conversely, police, deputies, and soldiers do not concealed carry for good tactical reasons. If you choose to limit yourself to concealed carry, that is fine. A guy ought to do what he thinks is best under current circumstances.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, that was not luck. That was self discipline, which does guarantee outcomes. Are you the spokes person for the hypothetical “SHEEPLE” calling for bans to open carry. I don’t think that you are. I think that you are just making things up.
And what are your qualifications for being the decider of what first responders, or militia or anyone else need? I think that your need to control people has gotten the better of your good manners and self discipline, today.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@WildBill It would be interesting to know the background on a few of people who comment.

tracy
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tracy

Ok Bill,

If you were part of that militia, and part of the crowd turned there ire upon your group and started throwing rock, bottles, etc…

What would have your response been?

1. Would you fire upon the crowd a-la-Kent State?

2. Stand there and take it without the protection of riot gear (something the police have, and militia do not).

3. Charge the crowd with your ARs and beat them with it like clubs?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, What was wrong with the shooting at Kent State? The commander and his unit had tight discipline and fire control. They were vindicated in the after action report.
Tracy, it seems that you do not know that if one party uses deadly force, in what ever form they choose, the attacked party can use deadly force, in what ever form that they choose. If someone tries to kill you with a thrown bottle, then you can quite legally prevent that attempted murder by shooting the attacker.

tracy
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tracy

Bill

The implications resulting from kent state was a political victory for antiwar activists. It does not matter if the after action report vindicates you afterwards.

In this case, if the militia unit was placed in a position forcing them to fire on a crowd for self defense. It will not matter if the trial a year latter finds them not guilty. The liberal would have had a very good chance of passing legislation allow local government to ban open carry, long before the results of the trial are made public

Vanns40
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Vanns40

BWAHAHAHAHAHA, notice how she uses the common Liberal tactic of limiting your choices? How about none of the above? You withdraw!

tracy
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tracy

Great. Your a genius!!!

Now Command Vanns40, militia commander. You just order a retreat.

The mob now see a group of armed men carrying ARs retreating. They now believe that you do not have the guts to fire upon them, and pursue you. You have moments to decide on a course of action. Your not sitting behind a keyboard…your in the heat of action facing a mob. As the mob closes on your retreating unit, what are your orders?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, I’ll give that lawful command. The problem with your attempt to box me in with you hypothetical is that you don’t know enough about the law of self defense. I would like to suggest Robinson on Criminal Defenses.

tracy
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tracy

Bill

There are 5 element to justifying the uses of deadly force.

They are:
1. imminent
2. innocent
3. reasonable
4. proportional
5. and lastly avoidance

Unless you are prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that every shot your men fired hit a person whom represented an imminent deadly threat, and not one of your men missed an hit a bystander. your militia unit will have a very difficult argument convincing a jury of your innocents

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, Shadow of a doubt is not a legal standard. Shadow of a doubt is from TV. I am impressed that you looked up the law of self defense so quickly. What site did you use?
Not engaged in a crime is innocent.
Thrown rock is deadly force and imminent.
Interrupting the murder attempt is reasonable.
Deadly force to meet deadly force is proportionate.
Your foolish hypo includes pursuit so avoidance is not possible.
Quod est demonstratum Deadly force is justified.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tracy, I would like to spend the time to teach you trial law, but I have animals to take care of. You have to read the cases to find out what each element means. You can not go by your own definitions. Oh, and before you go out and do anything pursuant to the education that you have received, please, consult any attorney.

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Vanns40

Hmm, I seem to notice a trend here of you trying to: 1. Limit responses to your choices and 2. Continuing to attempt to put responders in a neatly fit little box that will suit your ulterior motives. Let’s proceed this way. Never answer a hypothetical, no matter how well you plan, once you engage or are engaged by someone all the planning has a habit of going sideways. Since you seem so eager to though, what would YOU do if you were in this situation? No, “well I wouldn’t be in that situation” or anything else. You want to… Read more »

Vanns40
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Vanns40

In your response to @WildBill You show only a partial knowledge of very quickly acquired local law. Have no idea what State you live in but in some States your statement of the components is totally incorrect. Time for you to go back to the Violence Policy Center or the Mad Mommies and tell them you’ve actually run up against folks who do know the law and not just their talking points.

tracy
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tracy

Bill I knew the five elements because I am a CCW holder, and I took the time to take classes on when it is legal to act in self defense. I know of all the elements because I don’t want to be put in a situation where a little foresight could possibly prevent alot of pain. And since you are an attorney, you must also know that if you do every thing correctly, there is a more than acceptable chance that you will still be convicted. And if not convicted the costs of defending yourself will be enough to question… Read more »

tracy
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tracy

Vanns40

You show only a partial amount of common sense.

Reacting like a libtard by making a response like “Time for you to go back to the Violence Policy Center or the Mad Mommies and tell them you’ve actually run up against folks who do know the law and not just their talking points”

I probably have more guns that you, and I also probably donated more money in the last year to the Second Amendment Foundation, the NRA, and the Firearm Policy Coalition than you have in your entire life.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, Common Sense! What sense is common to all? Could you, tracy, give me a list of the sense that is common to all. I do not wish to be remiss in my social requirements.

tracy
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tracy

Common Sense

The best way to win a gun fight is to avoid one. That common sense.

Not put yourself in the middle of two opposing groups hell bent on violating each other free speech rights.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, You write, “The best way to win a gun fight is to avoid one. That common sense.” So that is your entire list?
So, if the gun carrying attacker pursues me with his deadly force, I should continue avoidance? How far should I run? You do know that firearms are distance weapons? And if I manage to not get murdered, the prosecutor has no murder case agains my attacker? Seems unfair, somehow. Are you sure that this is Common Sense, tracy?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

No, it is the Munden Colt or the fully engraved Colt that are truly art.

DrSique
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DrSique

“back up for law enforcement”
Hell, the cops weren’t there to do anything and probably ordered not to. Just the presence of armed militia may have kept things from getting more violent, before the Neo decided to run people down. Seems to me that these militias were the only ones there not breaking any laws. Pretty good PR by any measure.

tracy
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tracy

Dr.Sigue

Would you really put yourself in a situation with the possibility of using either deadly force or even less than deadly force protecting someone else’s free speech?

Me, I like my guns too much to put myself in a Charlotte courtroom facing a prosecutor hell bent on prosecuting me for doing the police job.

And if the police were order to be withdrawn by the libtard mayor, to set the stage for rioting, they will be just as happy attempting to drag your but to jail by getting involved in something you could easily have avoided.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, What guns do you have?

tracy
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tracy

What do you got Wild Bill?

tracy
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tracy

I am waiting… What do you have in the gun safe?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, I live on a ranch and had things to do. I did not even know that you asked. So just off the top of my head: 1851 Colt Navy, 1873 Colt Single action first generation, a 1965 Colt single action fully engraved that is my barbecue gun, I have a Bob Munden race gun Colt third generation, I have Arvo Ojala’s movie pistol 2 gen Colt. I have seven CMP Garands, One M-1D with full provenance from the Army to the CMP to me. P17 Enfield, Remmy Springfield w/M84 scope, 8mm Mauser sniper, Some custom made rifles. Couple of… Read more »

tracy
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tracy

I hate you.

Six CMP M-1s

tracy
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tracy

No, Seven CMP M-1 Gurands..

I really hate you.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, it is the Munden Colt or the fully engraved Colt that are truly art.

tracy
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tracy

Too classy for me.

An elegant pistol made in a better time.

You win. Your a better gun nut than me.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

And yet, Tracy, you still continue to not answer questions. You’ve been wrong on point after point and, for someone who claims to own firearms and give to pro-gun organizations you appear to be woefully ignorant when it comes to basic Constitutional law, rules of self defense, rules of engagement that are taught over and over to every student who has ever taken a concealed carry class or tactical handgun class. You appear all to eager to blame the gun owner who wishes to have the means to defend himself outside the home in any situation. I wonder how that… Read more »

tracy
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tracy

I answered but the moderator didn’t like my description of your intelligence.

The answer to you question regarding NFA and the Gun Control Act was not YES, but HELL YES.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@Tracy: You’re taking a very long time to answer a very simple question.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Vanns & DrS, Apparently, tracy’s VPC new employees training did not prepare tracy for difficult independent thinking persons like you guys! Maybe, Xcrement Xcrement did not brief tracy properly.

tracy
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tracy

SIG 716 DMR R716-H18B-DRM
LWRC M6A2
Beretta 1301
VEPR 7.62.54R
VEPR 7.62×39
VEPR Molot 12
Mossberg 930 SPX
BMC RECCE-16
M&P Sport II
3x Ruger 10/22
Norinco Type 56
Anschultz 164
Henry Pump 22lr
SigP220
Sig Pro 2022
Sig P238
H&K Comp USP
Glock 30
Glock 19
Glock 26
Springfield XD45
Springfield EMP
Beretta 84FS Cheetah
Beretta 3021 Tomcat
CZ75 SP01
CZ75 P01
CZ 2075 Rami
Kimber Ultra Covert II
Rock Island 1911 CS
Bersa Thunder
Ruger LC9
Ruger LC380
M&P shield (x2)
Ruger MIII 22/45, Ruger MKIII Target
Browning Buckmark
and a handful of 25 ACP

tracy
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tracy

I also have half a dozen complete lowers,
And I forgot the Kel-Tec KSG and Remington 870 and mini-14

tracy
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tracy

You can also add a Beretta Minx and an Astra Cub 2000

tracy
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tracy

Try texting all that with just two thumbs quickly, Will Bill

tracy
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tracy

Oh yeah
I forgot the SIG Mosquito, and the Walther P22 Military

oldvet
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oldvet

Wager money marbles or chalk if you follow the money it all leads back to soros.

oldvet
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oldvet

@Tracy…Of course you know now the cia, fbi noted all that you listed.
I had many questions to ask you but ammoland kept deleting me.

tracy
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tracy

Still waiting for you to post you guns Wild Bill?

tracy
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tracy

What’s taking so long?

tracy
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tracy

Where you list Vanns40? What do you have in the safe

tracy
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tracy

My answer was stuck for review under moderator
Yes to both and pass the Constitutional Carry too

tracy
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tracy

My answer was block moderator

It was:
Hell YES

And pass constitutional carry.

oldvet
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oldvet

@Wild Bill … You forgot the 6.5 Creedmore….

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, 6.5 Lapua! I just got tired of typing. We are preparing for hurricane whatchacallit. How are you and Sammy doing?
Did I tell you that I sent my CZ 550 in 6.5 Swed, with the Bavarian stock off to the gunsmith for a Brux barrel? Picked it up from my FFL guy and got it home 2mikes before the wife got home.

oldvet
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oldvet

@WB…Thought you were working with a creed, did you trade it? We’re doing well keeping busy. CDL keeps me running Dr. said she could find nothing to gripe at me about, but she would flunk me on the DOT physical is I wanted . Looks like you could be for some rain.

oldvet
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oldvet

Everyones favorite Marine is just coming on. Gomer Pyle-USMC

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, Nope, its a Lapua 6.5 x 47! You know that I am not a crowd follower. I like that odd ball stuff. Oh, and remember the ammo shortage. There never was a shortage of 6.5 Lapua.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@Tracy: We can make this pretty easy. Do you support the complete repeal of the NFA and GCA ’68? Easy questions.

tracy
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tracy

Hell YES

And pass constitutional carry.

And I would also like for felons caught using a gun to committing a crime should have their hands chopped off too. Only get to be a repeat offender once. Gang crime will back to knives and clubs, and law abiding people gets the advantage of having a gun.

tracy
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tracy

that is my idea of gun control

Vanns40
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Vanns40

All those guns and you can’t give me a simple yes or no answer to my question?

Vanns40
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Vanns40

What series is the Astra Cub?

tracy
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tracy

Just got it on GunBroker.

22 short, 1941 near mint

tracy
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tracy

Extra magazines cost me 75 bucks a pop

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Pretty darn slick. You almost made it but the devil is always in the details which is why I picked that particular gun. They were manufactured from 1954-1998. They didn’t exist in 1941. And that makes your entire reply suspect.

Oh, by the way, you still haven’t answered my question.

tracy
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tracy

Look up the item number on GunBroker
Item
683094367

tracy
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tracy

Item
683094367
GunBroker

Vanns40
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Vanns40

IF you bought it you should have checked.

tracy
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tracy

Hey, the date of manufacturer is irrelevant as long as it qualifies as an C&R curio

Vanns40
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Vanns40

An “M” date code is 1941, I stand corrected. An M1 date code is 1967. The seller misrepresented the year and the price by a LOT.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

It was 1967 it does not fall under C&R.

tracy
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tracy

This is 2017

2017-1967 = 50

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Further, your gun was made in 1967 so depending on month of manufacture would not be 50 yrs old. You should stop this conversation right now.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

You are providing WAY too much information. I don’t even trust you and I’ll tell you that. I’m finished with this posting.

tracy
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tracy

You started this thread.

Just because all you did is pick about irrelevant details, and I have been fully transparent you are calling it quits.

What firearms do you have? I answered you questions. Answer mine.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@tracy, I know that Vanns is a pretty charming guy, but you sure do want to correspond with him, badly.

tracy
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tracy

Militia Commander Vanns40 is an fool, who hates being wrong. Not the best combination

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Every politician and high-level bureaucrat should be using the litmus test, “Would this be good for the Nation?” in their decision making. The nation should be asking the same question about every politician and high-level bureaucrat. If the answer is no then the thing should not be done or the person should not be in that position of power. Why is this not happening? Why are these people not being replaced? The battle will be won or lost in the primaries.

oldvet
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oldvet

@Wild Bill … Do you have the ARC tied to the front porch, and life jackets for the good Sargent and all the animals?
Surly you are taking them all , not just two of each species ?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, Yep, got the boat parked right by the front porch (dock, whatever). Taken everybody if necessary.
But I am on a hilltop with a gradual slope. We are the tallest thing around so if it floods here…boy howdy.

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XX

This goes out to all Texans of every stripe. Be safe. Thoughts and prayers to you all.

praack
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praack

the first amendment has become difficult to explain to the young , as teachers are instructing them that it only protects “good speech” and that it is ok to stop “hate speech” . there is an additional aside that government is there to protect “good speech” but not to protect any dissenters. yet there is no definition of good speech and if you try to explain to kids )we are talking junior high and high school) people that everyone has a right to speak their mind – they are already inculcated with the mindset that only the will of the… Read more »

Vanns40
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Vanns40

As someone who is nearing the end of this phase of life it’s hard to explain to young parents that if you have to live in a one bedroom apt., do it, but send your children to the best private school you can. Do not let them become indoctrinated with all the Liberal crap being taught today.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Gentlemen, sending your kids to a good school, not letting them get indoctrinated, and learning to think and question critically is the best investment that anyone could make.

oldvet
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oldvet

@WB…That’s also why I would be in favor of reinstating the draft. I know more than one young person who received an adjustment to the outlook on life being in the military.

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Finally, something I agree with. 3 years mandatory military service for all. Learn responsibility, discipline and complete community/civic projects that benefit all.

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tomcat

@old vet, I sure do agree with the mandatory draft because it will make men out of punks. However, it is asking the government to do what parents should have done and that is to raise their kids to be responsible team players without a bunch of b.s.

BillCa
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BillCa

Excellent article by Jeff Knox. As obnoxious and despised as white supremacists are they still have the right to protest or speak their outdated opinions. Likewise, as objectionable and despicable as Antifa and other communistic groups are, they too have a right to be heard. This current situation where the government failed to keep counter protesters at a distance and withhold police presence to keep the peace fits right in to the kinds of actions we’ve come to expect from the Democrat party.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Why you’d almost think that some in the Liberal Govt. actually wanted a violent clash between the two opposing sides….nah, what possible purpose would that serve? Hmm, let me count the ways…

oldvet
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oldvet

@BillCa…Don’t forget the MSM wanting to manufacture “news ” stories. You see how they slanted the whole thing.