Store Clerk Fired For Defending His Life with Personal Gun

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Store Clerk Fired For Defending His Life with Personal Gun
Bob Irwin
Bob Irwin

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- News Channel 13 ABC reports in Colorado Springs, Colorado 10-13-2017 a store clerk who defended himself with a pistol during an armed robbery is now without a job after getting fired for bringing a gun into the store.

Two weeks ago, the employee was working the overnight shift at a convenience store on Fillmore Street when two armed suspects entered the store around 3 a.m. pointing their weapons at him demanding money.

“Looking down the barrel of a gun that you know is wielded with hostile intent, is frightening,” he said.

When he asked the suspects to not point their weapons at his face and they didn't listen, he drew his weapon.

“They kept pointing their guns at my head, I stepped behind cover and drew my weapon.”

The suspects were frightened by the gun. When the clerk tried to grab one of the suspects’ weapons he was shot in the left arm. He says, “It felt like getting stabbed.” The bullet went through his arm and out his elbow.

Both suspects escaped without the victim firing a shot. He was taken to the hospital for a minor injury and went back to work that same morning.

After hearing of other robberies that happened that week at other company stores, one involving a clerk getting assaulted and taken to the hospital, the other involving an armed robbery where the suspect brought in a shotgun. The night of the shooting was the first time the victim brought his pistol to work.

Two weeks later after his event the victim received a call from his manager saying he was fired for bringing a gun to work. He was shocked that he was fired for simply trying to defend himself.

He told media “I accept the risks I understand working overnight at a gas station is dangerous, what I don't accept is a company that won't take care of those dangers for their employees and instead fires me for protecting myself.”

Still, he does not regret pulling out his gun to defend himself. He said “If I hadn't had it, I very well may have died.”

The convenience's store corporate office did not return media calls for comment.

Comments:

The clerk here did it absolutely right but the incident is sad commentary on the basic human right to defend one’s own life. Corporations consider the costs of a lawsuit should an armed employee threaten or actually shoot a robber vs the cost of training a new employee. Do the math.

What we need here is some type of Castile Doctrine law that applies a business in addition to individuals working there. Where we have solid “No duty to retreat” statutes, the clerk is probably OK, but the business can take a huge financial loss in litigation.

Voting in more pro-gun, pro self-defense legislators is the key!

Bob Irwin, Las Vegas

About Bob Irwin

Bob is retired after 30 years of ownership of The Gun Store & Indoor Range in Las Vegas. He continues his 2A issues show “Fired Up with Bob Irwin” on YouTube and on KLEY 1230 AM, The Nevada Talk Network. As a firearm instructor of Concealed Firearm Applicants, Armed Security Officer and Law Enforcement Academies over his career, Bob appears frequently as an expert witness for firearm & use of force cases in Federal, State and local courts.

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Michael Davis

Dan III, We all know the country is going to hell in a hand basket. But soldiers got drafted in the Korean war and Vietnam not of their choosing, so you are wrong to that statement of VOLUNTEERED. And yes the Washington politicians has gotten us into or started senseless wars costing american lives. But don’t knock disabled vets not all asked to go. All gave some, some give everything. Get your facts straight about military pay enlisted service members still don’t get paid jack shit. Top level officers get the pay and the perks that go with their rank,… Read more »

DAN III
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DAN III

Michael Davis, You are quite presumptive with your questions of me. When was the LAST time you looked at a U.S. military pay chart. EMs are getting paid more as E1s than many folks are getting paid in the private sector. Are there a few, remaining individuals drafted during the undeclared Korean and Vietnam conflicts. Yes. A few. In case you didn’t know it the draft ended more than 40 years ago. Every single person entering the US military since 1976 has been a volunteer; in essence a mercenary. Mercenaries who are well-paid with good salaries, free healthcare, separate rations… Read more »

Budchugger
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Budchugger

Just like children, give it a rest and get back to the issue.

JAMES SAMUEL JONES
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JAMES SAMUEL JONES

WHY DO YE EVEN MAKE ANY REPLY’S &/OR RESPONCES AT ALL, TO THOSE DUMMIES, WHO FILL UP THY COLUMN WITH SUCH “LEFT WING PAST HYPNOTIC GEORGE SORAS PROGRESSIVE, DEMOCRATIC DRIBBLE TALKING POINTS” ANYWAY? IT’S NOT A BIT FUNNY FOR SOMEONE TO SHOOT OR EVEN KILL SOMEBODY, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE LAWS GOD SPOKE TO THE PROPHET MOSES, THAT NO MAN SHOULD TAKE ANOTHERS LIFE, EXCEPT IN THE CASE FOR THE PROTECTION OF HIS OWN LIFE OR HIS FAMILY. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE JUST NOT LAWS WRITTEN TO TAKE UP SPACE IN A BOOK, BUT THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY… Read more »

James Higginbotham
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James Higginbotham

his MISTAKE was not SHOOTING BOTH ROBBERS DEAD.
you NEVER pull a firearm unless you are READY TO SHOOT.

james
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james

DO NOT grab a gun from an attacker, SHOT HIM DEAD RIGHT THERE.

Roy D.
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Roy D.

The major problem I see with the story is that yet another person thought that his firearm was a talisman to be wielded whenever confronted with a deadly threat.

Jack
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Jack

You should immediately go to the nearest police station and turn in your man card and your testicles. That is if you have any!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Jack, Don’t go to the insult too quick. Roy did not write or imply that he would not use firearms to defend himself or his family. He just wrote that a firearm is not a talisman. Roy knows that gunfighting is a thinking man’s sport. It requires thorough knowledge of local law, well thought out scenarios, and practice. And I agree with him, firearms alone will not protect you.

Richard Coon
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Richard Coon

You all must understand that in the 20 years I’ve been in Colorado, it’s gone from Red to Blue. It’s a Kalifornistan Jr. I will be leaving the state in the next few months and the politics are a major reason why.

Captain Silva
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Captain Silva

Your absolutely correct ; red to blue. It could be worse – you could be living in Connecticut.

Eaglesnester
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Eaglesnester

The gun rights activists in Col. should advocate for laws that Gun Free Zone business owners must be made responsible for the injuries and deaths that happen in their business because some deranged individual decides to shoot up the place. That cant happen soon enough in each and every state in America. I remember Gretta Haupts testimony in front of Chuck Schumer about the effects of Gun Free Zones and how her parents were slaughtered along with others in Libbies Restaurant several years ago. I was outraged at the smirk on Schumers face when she said, “We need guns to… Read more »

Docduracoat
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Docduracoat

Western Convnience should be publicly shamed and boycotted by all law abiding people

Rock
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Rock

Whatever station or store it was (Circle K ?), has just announced to the criminal/thug world that their stores are going to welcome all with open arms, open cash registers and no weapons… As for the rest of us law abiding citizens, we should name and boycott this business. Clerks and attendants lives DO matter ! Ironic, the owners or managers are at home, safe and most likely armed over night while the lowly night clerk is nothing to them but an unarmed, sub human, “fish in a barrel”……….

Naturalist
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Naturalist

The Store was most likely Circle K

Jerald schmaltz
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Jerald schmaltz

Store clerk lives matter. I hope he is sueing his former employer.

Blade
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Blade

He should sue the store for creating a hostile work environment by letting violent criminal know that they can have their way with company employees. After all, the company did not provide a safe work space.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Blade, “hostile work environment” phrasing comes from sexual harassment in the work place law. There must be an underlying sexual harassment complaint prior to and relating to the later hostile work environment that is often created to get rid of the complainant.
But I wonder what would happen if a hypothetical employee, on his last day of work, told all the customers that “Everything today is free. Go tell your friends.”

Tionico
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Tionico

“hostile work enfironment” includes many more things than “sexual harrassment”. Workmen’s Compensation laws would make his injury a “workplace injury”, and cover his medical and lost time, and also in th event of death, survivor benefits. A few such claims resulting from unarmed employees might get an employer to reconsider the Certified DIsarmed Victim Zone thta is his store. Allowing his employees to be lawfully armed on duty reduces his risk of a huge Workman’s Comp payout he could have avoided. too bad this guy wasn’t a quicker shot…. he may well have dropped at least one of the perps.… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tio, As to your first sentence: No, I am not aware of any other area of the law. As to the remainder: maybe.

surfside six
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surfside six

Exactly. And there will never be a perfect shooting. Not really. There will always be a loud critic nearby. Even if its just the attackers survivors.

Naturalist
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Naturalist

I would venture to say that it was Circle K. At one Circle K store a clerk was fired for punching out and decking a robber. At another Circle K store a clerk was fired or shooting a robber.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Nat, I wonder… if a clerk did what Circle K wanted the clerk to do and got killed, how would CK reimburse him?
I guess it would be better to be “Circle K-less” than life less.

Bud
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Bud

They would find a new guy to replace him first. Had a similar experience several years ago but did not use my firearm. But it was at easy access if warranted. But I knew the company had a no gun policy which only shows their lack of care about your safety. So stay armed, stay vigilant and practice. The police will only show up AFTER your dead.

Mike B in WI
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Mike B in WI

The linked article says, “Two weeks ago, Lee Satterthwaite was working the overnight shift at Western Convenience store on Fillmore street in Colorado Springs when two armed suspects entered the store around 3 a.m. pointing their weapons at him demanding money.”
I’ve never heard of Western Convenience stores. According to their web site, they are only in Colorado and western Nebraska

John
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John

What business? So we might boycott it.

Justin_Case
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Justin_Case

Name the neglent convenience store & thier company pukes.

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

I have never been to a ‘neglent’ convenience store. Where are those, exactly, and where are ‘thier’ company pukes? P.S. Your spelling errors make me want to barf. BUY A DICTIONARY AND USE IT.

Marc Disabled Vet
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Marc Disabled Vet

BEWARE ! ENGLISH POLICE !!!
Go ahead and puke ! He got his point across.
Not all of us have spell check !
If you didn’t have it I wonder what your post
would look like ? All of the people who gripe about
spelling need to get a life !

DAN III
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DAN III

Marc Disabled Vet,

Clark Kent is correct for criticizing the imbecile who cannot spell or use proper grammar. However, you are the ultimate moron for defending the imbecile and attacking Clark Kent. You should be outraged that our government schools are turning out morons who cannot spell their own names let alone properly use their native language.

Marc Disabled Vet
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Marc Disabled Vet

@ Dan III
What’s the III Is your brother Dan II .
Oh wait ! you just got your finger stuck (where is of no matter)
If like I said to Clark , If that’s your gripe ! you need to get a life
I’d have sent this to you in a reply but you didn’t click the icon .
DONE WITH YA !

DAN III
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DAN III

Marc,

Perhaps you should take some of that VA disability money you are sucking down and get a tutor to review 2d grade English with you. Your reply to me was childish. Oh….and BTW….no one cares that you are a disabled vet. So what ? If anyone needs to get a life it is veterans like yourself who have a 10% disability rating for tinnitus.

You are pitiful.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Marc, We do care about our disable brethren. Don’t believe that we don’t.

Marc Disabled Vet
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Marc Disabled Vet

Sorry we all didn’t go to Harvard to make you happy .
Some of us had more important things to do .
Like serving my country . (protecting self centered bullies
like you ) (sounds like you didn’t serve)
You sound like the guy’s at the airports spitting on us
as we came home. I enlisted because guys like you
cried to some political hack and go rated 4F and wouldn’t
go. Bet you got a bumper sticker from when you voted for
Obama .

DAN III
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DAN III

Wild Bill, Of course you would speak for a multitude of others….like this all inclusive “we” you declare. Tell us….just how much do you care about “disabled” veterans ? Veterans who btw VOLUNTEERED for mercenary duties defending nothing but the imperialism of the globalist fUSA and the New World Order. When was the last time you sent a message to your federal criminals in the CON-gress demanding they cease the 25+ years of undeclared war in the Middle East ? Tell me how much time you spend every week as a volunteer at your nearest Veterans Affairs (VA) facility ?… Read more »

tomcat
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tomcat

@Daniii, what is it the wrong time of the month for you? You sure are a candidate for an anti American movement with what you speak. What business is it of yours if someone misspells a word or two. Oh, that’s right you are perfect and I can tell by what you write. Maybe you should find a site that is more in line with your literary knowledge, and take Clark with you. It is easy to tell you are a loser by your writings. Take a moment and think about the freedom you have expressed. Without veterans and/or disabled… Read more »

VT Patriot
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VT Patriot

Hay dan111, how did you ever get here? This is a site for like minded people, so you obviously are in the wrong place. You don’t have a mind..

Maybe your membership at hoff-po got canceled. You should reapply as they really need their village idiot back. Hurry up now, mommy needs her computer in the basement to check on her EBT benefits.

DAN III
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DAN III

Surfside,

Well….you presented quite the argument. Thanks for your idiotic remarks.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@daniii, I guess that you have told the world your beliefs, all wrong, of course. But we have your number, now, just another perpetual malcontent, boo hoping his station in life. A thousand excuses for your failures. You could have chosen an exciting life.

DAN III
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DAN III

Well “Wild” Bill, I see you answered NONE of my questions of you. None. Instead you respond with ad hominems. So very typical of a troll. You again make that declaration of “we” as though you express the thoughts of every soul who visits your daily, day in – day out, habitual trip to Ammoland. While you make the scattergun declaration that I am wrong, you fail to rebut not a single one of my observations regarding the globalism and incessant warring of the scum of fedgov you so blindly follow. Just like a rat to the cheese. Why don’t… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@daniii, I am not required to answer any of your questions. Answering your demands would put you in charge. You are not in charge here or in any other area of your life. That is why your comments are so vitriolic.
You insult everyone here. They all hate you and most refuse to respond to you. Wise up and treat others as you would like to be treated.

Tionico
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Tionico

Read for content, not style. Else find your nearby friendly phone booth and take care of the problem from a distance….

surfside six
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surfside six

Whoa! A spelling cop!!! Hey spelling cop…just ignore the valid discussion topic and do only what you surf the internet for. Give the world that fail or pass grade.

DAN III
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DAN III

Surfside,

Well….you presented quite the argument. Thanks for your idiotic remarks.

philb
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philb

Hey DANNII. Would it not be grammatically correct to say “you fail to correct a single one —” (as opposed to “you fail to correct ‘not’ a single one —“). You see we are all imperfect.

DickG
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DickG

I understood him perfectly!
.So STFU!