Woman’s Arrest Underscores Need to Understand States’ Different Gun Laws

New Yorkers can breathe safer now, right? (News 10 ABC)

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- Yet another citizen is facing criminal charges for not realizing that gun laws vary from state to state.  Hayley Leach, a Colorado woman, was arrested when she attempted to check her gun in at Albany Airport for her return flight home, News 10 ABC reported.

Leach has since been free released on bail but must return to New York in February. That means in addition to facing charges, she’ll need to endure the expenses of retaining a lawyer, traveling back from Colorado, and paying fines and court costs. That she lawfully owned her gun in Colorado and that she tried to obey the federal law by declaring her firearm with TSA does not matter to those intent on making her pay. It’s reminiscent of earlier similar cases, including that of Donna Marie Gracey, the Florida woman with a concealed carry permit who was arrested last month for having it in New Jersey, or the ordeals of Shaneen Allen and others. None of them had criminal intent.

It points to the need for national reciprocity and recognition of licenses between states, as driver and marriage licenses are honored. Better yet would be so-called “Constitutional carry” as many states now enjoy, with more considering such legislation. But don't hold your breath for that to go nationwide any time soon.

As an aside, it’s telling that the News 10 report stated:

“Customers are coming from places like Vermont or Massachusetts where they legally own their guns and have concealed carry permits.”

Vermont requires no permits and was the model for other states to follow. Before the practice became more widespread, it was generally called “Vermont carry.” One would think professional journalists would learn their subject matter before presenting their voices as authoritative, but media ignorance on guns is something we’re not likely to see rectified any time soon. Still, it does help understand the roots of the fear and hostility we see on display in so much of the mainstream press.

“Unfortunately for her it is her own fault for not checking the gun laws in the state she is traveling to,” one reader commented. He’s taken some flack for that from other readers, no doubt because the way he stated his point blamed the victim rather than the tyrannical edicts. Still, there's truth to what he says.

“Except for NH & Vermont, the North East states are profoundly anti-gun & everyone traveling should know that,” he continued. “There are books available that list the gun laws in every state & it is the gun owner’s responsibility to know what those laws are everywhere they intend to travel. I doubt she will get jail time, but I bet it will be a hefty fine. She better be happy she wasn't in NYC or it would have been far more costly.”

It’s tough to argue with that. And I say that as someone sympathetic to “I will not comply” and “Defy existing gun laws” sentiments.  But you need to do that with eyes open.

If you own a gun you owe it to yourself to know what the laws are so that you don’t inadvertently find yourself and those who depend on you in a world of hurt. And chances are if you’re oblivious to those laws, you haven’t been sufficiently motivated to assist in defending the right to keep and bear arms against such infringements. That means chances are you’re reaping the benefits of pro-gun efforts in the legislatures and courts while letting other gun owners carry the load.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that on occasion the victims of such edicts turn into effective voices of reason, with an ability to expand appeal beyond the “old white man” stereotype. Ms. Allen has grown and risen to the challenge of leadership. Perhaps Ms. Gracey and/or Ms. Leach will, through their stories, help offset some of the Opposite Day “progressive feminist” rhetoric telling women their safest course is to be defenseless against abusive and predatory assailants.


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Alan

Wayne Clark: Re your earlier comment, the apathy displayed by gun owners might well end up contributing materially, if not more than that, to destroying the rights one would think were important to them. How many times have you heard the following. THe NRA don’t let them do that. When I hear such drivel, I wonder as to the following. Who are “them”, and what is the “that” that the NRA will prevent the doing of? Also, how is it that the people that mouth such foolishness are seemingly unaware of the NRA’s less than sterling past, when it was… Read more »

Wayne Clark
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Wayne Clark

Alan…what the HELL are you talking about? You must be reading someone else’s comment cause I didn’t say a damn thing about the NRA! If you want to “scold” someone…make sure you have the “right” someone.

Alan
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Alan

Wayne:

My comment was in reference to yours of January 30, 2018, time stamped 2:39 PM. The reference to the NRA was my thought, not attributed to you. No personal criticism was intended. If my comment left the wrong impression, my apologies

Wayne Clark
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Wayne Clark

My apologies Alan. I read it the wrong way. I took it as being accused of being apathetic regarding 2A issues. If anything, I’m too vocal! Ask Vanns40…I often get…excited…when I read or see something against our 2A rights, basically because it’s illegal. I’ve written not only my representatives but other states representatives as well. Admittedly, I’m not much of a phone person or I would have called too…but I get a little defensive if I think I’m being accused as part of the problem. I probably just need to stop commenting.

Alan
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Alan

Rokflyer:
I’ve been a Life Member of NRA since the mid 1970’s,and was an annual and 5 year member prior to going Life. Additionally, Iam in very frequent contact, possibly continuous contact via phone and email with my elected reps., Congressman and U.S.Senators, as well as state level. My Letters To The Editor are sometimes published too.

Rokflyer
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Rokflyer

@ Alan @ Wayne, I may be wrong, but I made that comment in an earlier unrelated post, in jest. I have heard so many times myself, ” THE NRA WON’T LET THEM DO THAT ” ,and it frightens me. It will take so much more that just NRA rhetoric to defend our 2cd amendment. Both of you guys have a lot of passion for a fight, and I appreciate that. It will take a lot of fight to continue this daily assault on our very Liberty. It’s not just the 2cd amendment, it’s the slavery that will come as… Read more »

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Every CCW/CCH training course, every gun store, gun range SHOULD include notification about reciprocity and the anti-gun states. The gun industry owes it to the new shooter/gun owners how to find the laws in their home state and in other states.

REd
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REd

I hate to say it but this is one dumb lady. I mean after everything that’s happen over the years anyone who knows anything about guns knows that you shouldn’t ever attempt to carry in states like New York, New Jersey, California, Oregon, etc. Hell I rarely leave the South because I know I won’t be able to carry it with me and if I do there’s so much stacked against me, even if you are abiding by the law.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

@REd – She’s not necessarily dumb, she may be like a lot of first time gun owners and not understand that laws on guns are different in other states. She might not have thought that she would be arrested for notifying the authorities that she was carrying. In reality, it is absolutely sickening what these unconstitutional states will do and not care that they could potentially ruin these people’s lives.

Rahel
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Rahel

What if she had taken her gun apart? Would they have still arrested her?

Doc
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Doc

This is one of the many reasons I will not spend my hard earned cash ipn that liberal cesspool. Not even to change flights.

The other Jim
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The other Jim

The Sheriff feels bad about it, or at least he sas he does. If it were NYC Police, Nassau Police or Suffolk Police they would aggressively defend the arrest. The Suffolk Police are so hated by the people now that they are trying to improve there image by giving out free Ice Cream to the kids at the precincts. How about that; a $120,000 a year cop after 5 years on the job, standing in a taxpayer contracted Ice Cream Truck in uniform giving out ice cream at taxpayer expense (ice cream paid out of police taxpayer police community budget… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

Couple of points re the above. 1. The lady, lacking “connections”, very likely could not have obtained a pistol permit. Fact Not Theory. 2. The attitudes of line police officers probably are markedly different from the attitudes of police executives, who are political hires, serving at the pleasure of their political patrons. The people need to look carefully at whom they elect. 3. Police pay levels are these days subject to collective bargaining, with elected officials sitting on one side of the table, union people sitting at the other side of said table. The residents of the jurisdiction, at least… Read more »

MontieR
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MontieR

THE ONLY thing this travesty proves is these rouge states should be brought to heel and forced to abide by the LAW (the second amendment). There is NO legal standing for ANY of these illegal laws as they ALL EVERY one of then exist in defiance of “shall NOT be infringed”. The false and unconstitutional “claim” that these acts are somehow in the “governments” best interest is nothing but PURE fiction. There is NOTHING in the constitution that allows the government to subvert (for ANY reason) the constitution. They claim (compelling interest), the only interest the government should have is… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

JimM

The answer to your question as to why law makers aren’t arrested might well be as follows. Because law enforcement operates pretty much in the service of and or at the beck and call of the referenced politicians, rather than in the service of the populace.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@Alan: Regarding jury nullification, you can’t be an idiot and say anything about it. When it comes time for deliberation you simply say I don’t believe they’ve proved their case and I’m voting not guilty. Stick with that no matter what and if no one wants to join you fine, hang the jury.

Alan
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Alan

That’ likely one way to,go about it.

Alan
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Alan

MontieR: The laws that you describe as “immoral” and so forth, I don’t care for them either, but realistically, they are the law of the land, are here to stay until one of three things, or some combination thereof take place, as noted below. 1. Thousands, millions of people would be better, stand up and by their actions tell government to as that old Western PA saying advised, Go Pound Salt. 2. Our elected things repeal the offending laws. 3. The U.S. Supreme Court comes to the obvious conclusion that the laws in question are violative of the constitution and… Read more »

Jim M
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Jim M

Why aren’t these politicians getting arrested with these laws on the books!!! Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241
 Conspiracy Against Rights This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same). It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

Perhaps because it might be said that law enforcement most often serves law makers, rather than the general populace. The fact that many, perhaps most in the general pupulation are asleep at the switch, putting it politely, to often bemused by the latest sports extravangaza to take note of how they are being screwed by their “representatives” and assorted Public Servants.

james
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james

I visit family in NJ Newark area several times a year, I never bring any firearms with me, I rent them at
the range, Gun for Hire. $25 is a small price to pay compared to $20K for a lawyer and incarceration.
I escaped from LI NY in 1991, I have more stuff then that gun in Vegas, all lawfully owned and operated!

james
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james

The SCOTUS is wise, for the most part, they WILL NOT hear the case until at least two more justices retire and are replaced with TRUMP nominees. Otherwise we will LOOSE BIG TIME.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@James, yes, a good observation.

Rokflyer
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Rokflyer

Also another reason to weep over the murder of Justice Antonin Scalia. He was murdered, how long before we seek the truth.

james
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james

If NY recognizes my out of state marriage license, drivers license and any professional licenses (if reciprocal),
then my out of state concealed permit (or license) should also be recognized at a traveler.

If you walk out of the airport in NJ or NY, you are in violation, if you spend the night inside the airport you are OK,
Port Authority police will ask you were you spent the night, if you say hotel you are arrested ON THE SPOT.

DO NOT have any empty brass or rounds in your carry on bag, you will be arrested.

Mikail
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Mikail

Actually, you are not okay in the airport if you are required to take possession of your checked luggage and it contains a gun. Don’t make that mistake.

Alan
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Alan

2WarAbnVet:
Big difference between “upstate” and “downstate”. I grew up in NYC, departed permanently in 1967, having had a belly full of The place, which at one time was an interesting place to live.

Kenneth Waggoner
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Kenneth Waggoner

I would immediately file a Civil Rights case in my home state against the state of New York and all of those involved.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@John: Many times I say follow the law, but not when the law is wrong. This, and other similar cases, happen to fall under a class of cases where jury nullification is justified and juries need to be aware of the power they actually have despite what the law says. This would put a quick end to what I consider malicious prosecution.

cHUCK
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cHUCK

Unfortunatley the game that these AG play is they get a plea bargin so it never goes to trial. Thus avoiding the jury nullification.

Alan
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Alan

I imagine that any and or all prospective jurors who made any reference to Jury Nullification would be quickly booted. I once served on a criminal trial jury. No such questions came up. I would think that the best thing for a trial juror to be would be to,let their conscience guide them. No doubt others will disagree.

John
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John

I hope she gets her affairs in order, She is facing a mandatory year in jail for possession of an unregistered handgun. We have to register them before we can even take them home from the gun store.

Marc Disabled Vet
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Marc Disabled Vet

She was legal when it was purchased in her home state .
It became illegal when she entered New York with it .
Problem — out of state residents cannot register firearms ,
in New York. You have to live there .
DO NOT GO TO NEW YORK WITH A GUN.
SO NO VISIT’S TO GRANNY WITH A GLOCK .
WHY GO THERE ANYWAY !

Buck Cassidy
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Buck Cassidy

Do not ever go to New York!! Never do business with anyone who has a New York address! Your civil rights end at the state line!

John
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John

My spouse and I travel extensively, and just don’t go into those states that don’t recognize our CO cc licenses. We spend our tourists dollars in states that have reciprocity with our state.

Jay
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Jay

This is complete BS and both states, NJ and NY are clueless about crime. I lived in both states and one only has to look at Brentwood on Long Island and see why it is necessary to have a CCW. I lived next door to it and now would feel safer in Mexico City than there. The fact that she was checking a gun and then arrested is beyond reason. I recently flew back to VT and had to go through NJ and decided not to bring and check my handgun (I have a CCW) because of this same issue.… Read more »

Joe
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Joe

I wonder how many of the people posting on this blog actually vote? If everybody who owned or carried a gun in this country voted single issue in just one or two elections the issue of gun control would be dead. If every election district in this country voted pro-gun candidates no anti-gun politician would survive two elections cycles. Think children, what motivates politicians? Money, which indirectly translates into votes, and votes. No votes, no anti-gun politicians. Anti-gun politician loses election, or anti-gun politicians watch their friends lose elections – end of problem. Don’t tell me government is the enemy,… Read more »

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roscoethehat

I am afraid I must agree with every one of your statements and sentiments. Sadly the Prop firearm community has neglected it’s duty to protect it’s own rights. If we don’t who will? With the sheer numbers of firearms owners in America any election would be a run-a-way if every one of us voted and did so consistently. I know folks who say “I have been told for years they are coming for my guns and it never happens…” Leaving your rights in the laps of anyone else is surrender. As to NY and NJ the same applies, “The limits… Read more »

Wayne Clark
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Wayne Clark

According to the United States Election Project, an average of 59.7 % of eligible voters, voted. When you factor in that probably nearly a half of those were democrats & anti anything Republican, it’s easy to see why these anti-gun officials stay in office. But as you said, if ALL who owned or carried a gun WOULD get out & vote, we may not have a landslide but we sure as hell would be a lot closer to setting these atrocities aright. The problem lies in the geography though, I’m afraid. New York, Jersey, California & states of the same… Read more »

Rokflyer
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Rokflyer

I’ve got a better question for you, do you belong to the NRA, do you stay in touch with your elected representatives, do you let them know how you feel about your rights or lack thereof. Or do you just vote your party line and go home with a clear conscience. So many shooters today won’t even discuss the NRA, they say it’s only about money, well news flash, it is about money. We need lawyers, lobbyist, and people willing to go the extra mile to win these fights. Do you realize how many firearm owners do not belong to… Read more »

tomcat
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tomcat

We need the SCOTUS to rule again on the gun control agenda and I know they do not want to right now because of the danger that can be done if the decision goes to the liberals or doesn’t support the 2A. Granny Ginsburg says she is not retiring and at 84 years old it is my thought that they should have the casket there and ready for her. What good can she do at her age and thinking the Constitution is an outdated document. Term limits or recall all the way to the Supreme Court would be in the… Read more »

Jim Kilpatrick
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Jim Kilpatrick

If I were this poor woman, I’d send the Govenor of New York, the arresting “sworn officer”, his supervisor, Chief/Sheriff and the DA/Prosecutor AND JUDGE, certified letters (with a copy sent Certified Mal to the US Attorney for the jurisdiction too!), informing them to be prepared to produce certified copies of their sworn Oaths of Office and their Certificate of Bond at the next “hearing” (which I would INSIST be “on the record”) and informing them I intended to pursue Federal Civil Rights Complaints against them all pursuant to one or more of the following US Codes: 42 USC 1983,… Read more »

Marc Disabled Vet
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Marc Disabled Vet

If she was an illegal alien they would have,
gave her a warning and sent her on her way.(with the gun)

Alan
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Alan

Possibly so, but the lady wasn’t the illegal alien you referenced, or so one assumes.

Alan
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Alan

I have not had time to read the acts or sections you referenced, though your basic idea is certainly interesting, since ALL parties on the government side including the judge or judges took an oath to among other things, “support, uphold and defend the constitution”, which I take to mean the constitution In It’s ENTIRETY?

Pedro Rodriguez
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Pedro Rodriguez

THANK you. Our education system has drummed so many ppl that the average Joe does not know his basic legal rights, ensnareing later (taxing, fines) with ” ignorance of the law is no excuse” and having many dependent on B.S., PHDs and lawyers. It’s a vicious circle that insures gov’t employees job security. There, I said it and I dare anyone to offer a better explanation. Our gov’t no longer works for us, it has taken a life of its own, that it is no longer “…of the people, by the people, for the people. “

Wayne Clark
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Wayne Clark

I like the way you think!

Woody W Woodward
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Woody W Woodward

David, From your article: “.. arrested when she attempted to check her gun in at Albany Airport for her return flight home, ” – – to Colorado. Makes one wonder how she was able to get INTO NY with the firearm, but not OUT of NY with it. Did TSA flag her when she left Colorado? Were authorities aware that she possessed the gun during her stay in NY? Did TSA alert the NY anti gun watchdogs to be on the lookout for her probable return to the Albany airport? This fish stinks on ice. Are these NY gun grabbing… Read more »

jeff
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jeff

TSA does not flag for guns. If the gun is declared at the ticket counter in their checked in baggage (it cant go on carryon period), then it will be ok to travel.

Tionico
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Tionico

Not so certain aobut this. I’ve read multiple accounts of someone unexpectedly diverted into New York and/or New Jersey and stuck overnight there, WITH lawfully checked handguns in luggage (not carryon). Arrive at airport nxt day to fly out of a state they never intended to enter, the local gendarmes are right there like stink on soiled nappies…… to arrest and charge with multiple felonies for daring to possess what they carry every day at home, but in these cesspool jurisdictions that fail to realise that their state MUST uphold the Constitution. How else can the local dirty coppers know… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

Interesting ideas, however as to the airlines being unwilling to cause trouble for their patrons, I don’t know that I’d bet on that.

Alan
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Alan

Published policy is one thing, actual behavior is often another thing.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

What if a patron was simply not available to pick up their checked luggage that contained a firearm? Would the airlines maintain control of that checked luggage if the customer could not be immediately notified. I don’t think that the airline would just set the customer’s luggage out on the curb knowing that it contained a firearm. The airline would be in big trouble with the federal and state authorities, not to mention violating the bailment with the customer.

Jim Sherwood
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Jim Sherwood

For this very reason when I flew to San Diego in July …I opted to play the odds game and just hope to survive 7 days in California …unarmed…rather than run the risk of California’s B.S. gauntlet. Couldn’t legally carry it loaded anyway …so why go thru the TSA and prolong check-in ….

jeff
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jeff

I think the article is mistaken, TSA wouldnt take or fine the woman. It had to be the airline that turned her in. TSA only discovers firearms once they enter the checkpoint in either the xray or the baggage xray. If discovered during screening and it has been declared TSA does not confiscate the weapon, so she had to be turned in by the ticket person that took the declaration. Even with this, everyone still needs to know other states rules, and certainly and most importantly, everyone needs to get congress to pass universal carry!!!

max
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max

Why are they complying? Why are they declaring that they have a firearm. Just because it s a law does not me you have to comply with the law. It is her own fault for thinking the goverment is not there to help, the goverment is there to enslave and punish.

jeff wood
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jeff wood

Because if they dont comply by declaring the firearm, when the bag goes through the baggage scanner and it automatically alarms that there is a firearm, and there is no declaration, THEN the trouble will trickle down with a TSA fine AND local DA office fine, among other things. You must declare or chance a very worse and extremely worse scenario. When you declare you should have NO problems…….at least with TSA.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Max and Jeff, get one of those metal heart shaped containers that St. Valentine’s Day candy comes in. Pack the pistol, or disassembled pistol, with candies around it so it sounds like candies upon inspection. Superglue it closed. Put it in the bottom of your duffle bag, and shut up. If forced to answer, the answer is Valentines day candies.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Because they will catch it and then you WILL go to jail for not declaring it.

Joe
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Joe

I have a question for someone who actually has the answer, and can point me to the appropriate law. Not interested in answers that include, “ought, maybe, I think, too bad” etc. I hear many people say that Vermont does not have a concealed carry permit and this was true the last time I was in Vermont. But, and here is my question, I was also told that while a person did not need a concealed carry permit for open or concealed carry there was one limitation. Can a person carry a concealed gun while in, or operating, a motor… Read more »

Jay
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Jay

The answer is YES to both questions.

JohnBored
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JohnBored

I view the Northeast as a foreign country. The Peoples Republic of New York acts as a third-world country regarding guns. Stay out of hostile foreign countries such as Iran and New York.

2WarAbnVet
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2WarAbnVet

I spent a very cold winter at Ft. Drum (back when it was Camp Drum), and found the only warm thing was the good folks living in the Watertown area. I’ve always found it sad that they are at the political mercy of the raving leftists who reside in the city.

Gunny1951
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Gunny1951

The state of NY has chosen to ignore the Constitution of the United States and due to this I have chosen to refuse to putrchase products made in that state. Fine products such as Kimber firearms, Remington firearms, just to name two. I try to research other products place of origin also and use the same litmus test in deciding whether to purchase product or not. Any product made in a state, or whose corporate headquarters are located in a state whose stance on gun ownership is in opposition to The Constitution is left on the cart, or on the… Read more »

Sid Pits
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Sid Pits

Gunny,hopefully in a short time you’ll be able to purchase a Kimber from their new Alabama facility.

Hoss
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Hoss

I’m the same way with Commiefornia.

Graystone
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Graystone

I hope this is a lesson to check the laws of the state you will travel to.
Ms. Leach can be thankful she didn’t have to use her gun to defend herself while in NY. Had she been justified in every way it would have been a long, long time before she ever returned to CO.

MontieR
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MontieR

No crap like this clearly and openly shows EXACTLY why these illegal laws are BOTH unconstitutional and imoral. Both of these being platform requirments for the pervert party (democrats). The day is almost here that we are either going to have to by force take our government back or surrender to this despicable and vile liberal ideology of marxism.

Alan
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Alan

A sad note, but the lead headline tells the story. By this point in time, one would think that the draconian, not to say constitutionally questionable nature of New York gun laws would be well known. Sadly, that seems not the case.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

Usually it is the first time and younger gun owners who fall for these laws because they own a gun but don’t stay up on gun ownership information.
The saddest part of this is that there are still unconstitutional laws being enforced. If the SCOTUS would do their job and stop turning down these gun law cases, they would be proven unconstitutional AND repealed. Where is the NRA and USCCA? Oh, I forgot, they don’t do anything unless you are a PAYING member!

Hoss
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Hoss

I’ll agree with you concerning the NRA, but you are wrong about USCCA.
Tim Schmidt actually contributed over $3,000 to help a man that got caught in the same predicament as this lady, and he wasn’t a member.
Not sure but I believe it was before Delta Defense was launched.

MB
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MB

This proves we need reciprocity for CCW/LTC license holders nationwide, just like drivers licenses. Gun ownership is a right protected constitutional amendment, driving is privilege granted. As usual, the government is backwards and broken. As a Texas resident I have a Texas LTC, which is good in 34 states but not home state of R.I. even though a R.I. carry permit from the A.G. is valid in Texas. In fact, R.I. does not honor any other state’s CCW/LTC. Jailing people for protecting themselves is wrong and needs to be fixed, and if congress can’t do it with a president who… Read more »

Mark Garrett
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Mark Garrett

Quit buying firearms manufactured in these states, so that they might feel it in jobs lost , and disallow all the N.E. states from reciprocity carrying in other states. Start treating them like they are a foreign country , which they are from the rest of the U.S. Maybe big manufacturers of firearms will move elsewhere away from the north east.

Graystone
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Graystone

I can not agree with you more and I question why, Why, WHY does ANY business that has even the remotest connect with the firearms industry remain in a state that doesn’t support the 2nd Amendment.
Why can’t they understand that their taxes are being used to put them out of business!? I don’t get it….

Alan
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Alan

Good question. One wonders as to what Remington’s answer might be.

Alan
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Alan

Ask Remington and Kimber. The answers you get or more likely do not get would speak louder than anything said here.

Alan
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Alan

Good question. I do not know the name of the state representative from Ilion, N.Y., Remington’s home town, but how the residents of that town voted might be interesting to think on.

SuperG
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SuperG

It is sad for her, an honest citizen, caught up in the legal machine of N.Y. Her case will be processed and she will be convicted of a crime, though she had no intent to commit one, in order to steal her gun rights from her. Still, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Especially so in this case, as there has been news story after news story about this very thing.

David
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David

I think everyone that travels out of their home state should carry with them something like this guide, it updated yearly.

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Infidel762X51
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Infidel762X51

Every time we travel as we pass through certain states my wife has to take her gun out of her purse and give it to me. Thanks to HR218 only one of us is forced to disarm. National reciprocity should have been the law years ago and there is no excuse for these rinos holing it up today.

Bill
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Bill

It’s NY, where Clinton was the Senator. Use her defense why Comey did not charge her for violation espionage laws impromperly handling highly classified information.

She was careless but there was no intent to do harm.

Except Clinton did not get caught for following the laws.

Scott
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Scott

So what part of the 2nd amendment “the RIGHT to keep and BEAR arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do these states and politicians not understand?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Scott, there is no profit in a state observing the Constitutional Civil Rights of individual persons. There is great profit in people control. States, cities, and counties refusing to recognize the Constitutionally enumerated Civil Rights of individuals know exactly what they are doing and will continue using threat of force and force of arms as long as they can get away with it.

G reen Mtn. Boy
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G reen Mtn. Boy

Mr. Codrea “Except for NH & Vermont, the North East states are profoundly anti-gun” To that list I would add Maine as they are also a Constitutional carry state. As a Vermonter I can travel from my home to the tip of northern most Maine with few worries,however that said it still pays to be familiar with individual states laws. As a example in New Hampshire around the Nashua area it is somewhat intertwined with Mass. , in fact some parts of the Pheasant Run mall in Nashua,the parking lot area are actually in the state of Mass., and one… Read more »

Ron
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Ron

When she left Colorado, was her destination Vermont? Massachusetts? Connecticut? Was it a destination where it was legal for her to possess her firearm?

Albany may have been a pass-through only in the sense it was her point of departure.

JD
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JD

When i drive from AZ to seattle or vise versa i skip CA entirely..unfortunately i hit a small chunk of bullshit OR the way i go..but oh well

Mandew
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Mandew

In about 38 states? So basically you don’t know either!

Dennis
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Dennis

N Y bites, what do you expect from a northern he’ll hole.
Do not go there or spend money on their products.
They are anti American democrats.

Justin
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Justin

I believe you mean a northern ‘shithole’

Leslie McDaniel Jr
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Leslie McDaniel Jr

It’s her duty as a gun owner to know the law. I have a Va conceal carry. It’s good in about 38 states. Not NY.

Mandew
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Mandew

In about 38 states? So basically you don’t know either!

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Mandew, that is due to the fact that laws are ever changing, and can literally change over night, such when VA AG Mark Herring made CC holders felons, literally, over night. Also, NYS did the same to their firearm owners with their “SAFE” Act, again, literally, over night.

One can trust a politician only after they are deceased, before then one literally needs to stay awake 24/7 to ensure they aren’t abbrogating our rights.

oldvet
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oldvet

@Heed…Milldew is just one of the paid troll names . He cant help being a bitter A$$hole he has to do what his betters tell him

Henry
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Henry

I’m sure if he were making plans to go to one of them, he would. I know all the ones I travel through, the others can be under martial law for all I care.

Jefferson Sweet
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Jefferson Sweet

There is much more to this than is being told: How did she get the weapon to NY? Where did she get the handgun in NY if she didn’t bring it with her? Did she buy it there without understanding she could not get it home? Did someone give it to her? Many questions not answered.

On a different note, National Reciprocity would give the #DCvers in Washington control over CCW (research Real ID and see the disaster that is) instead of the states where it belongs (until we change the states into Constitutional Carry).

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/08/14/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-bill-is-a-trojan-horse/

Mikey
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Mikey

“There is much more to this than is being told: How did she get the weapon to NY? ”

She checked it in Colorado, which is where the gun was legal. This unfortunately allows you to bring it to a state where it may or may not be legal. When checking it in NY on the return flight is then where the problems began, as it is illegal in NY.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@JS, It seems to me that she has a U.S. Constitutional Civil Right to keep a fire arm and bear a firearm everywhere within the jurisdiction of the Constitution of the United States. It occurs to me that new york, a state subject to the US Constitution, has a series of statutes that are contrary to the US Constitution and is enforcing those statutes by force and threat of violence.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Ah me, so much BS out of one website, it’s difficult to know where to start, so I won’t. The Tenth Amendment Center makes so many assumptions I can’t begin to count them, not only of what States will do if National Reciprocity is passed but it goes so far as to predict how SCOTUS will rule and THEN what the fallout will be from that! They must have the most incredible deck of tarot cards ever! Bottom line, if you want to stick your head in the political sand, say we need Constitutional Carry Nationwide and that’s all you’ll… Read more »

Rokflyer
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Rokflyer

I’ve got a better question for you, do you belong to the NRA, do you stay in touch with your elected representatives, do you let them know how you feel about your rights or lack thereof. Or do you just vote your party line and go home with a clear conscience. So many shooters today won’t even discuss the NRA, they say it’s only about money, well news flash, it is about money. We need lawyers, lobbyist, and people willing to go the extra mile to win these fights. Do you realize how many firearm owners do not belong to… Read more »

Henry
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Henry

It is a well-known issue that sometimes a flight from one place where you are legal to another place where you are legal can get diverted temporarily (like overnight) due to weather or other reason, into a place where you are NOT legal. All you need to do is make the mistake of claiming your luggage for the overnight at the free hotel, and you are legally screwed. The legally correct resolution is to refuse to claim your luggage, and spend the next 18 hours like a caveman or cavewoman until you can reach your original destination outside the iron… Read more »

Tionico
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Tionico

TSA regs prohibit luggage being in the aiarlines’ care overnight, even if the continuing flight is already booked. If I refuse/neglect to claim my handgun containing checked bag for those forced overnight layovers, the airline cannot hold it then put it on the next flight. As soon s I put MY HAND on that suitcase, I have “possession and control” over it,AND its contents. TSA rules need to change, as it is THEIR stupid “policies’ build theproblem. We don’t know from what David worte above just what her planned itinerary was….. was it an unplanned overnight due to weather? Or… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Tionico, very good point about firearms in checked luggage that it should not matter, since the passenger no longer has access to it anyway.

Alan
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Alan

Henry:

Good suggestion, though there seems to be a rub, as mentioned in a following post by Tionico.

Dave
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Dave

as far as “needing to do that” I wonder about someone who is paying no attention to the laws in these commie states as opposed to specifically not complying; do they vote? How do they vote? How do gun owners (assuming alleged majorities of the population) allow this bullshit to stand. What are (you) they doing to advance constitutional rights? How much are they contributing that I should care beyond the basic desire for torches and pitchforks? I carry. Period. If I get busted carrying, I expect to pay the consequences. I get it. I defy and I contribute…….heavily toward… Read more »

jim
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jim

I thought it was legal to travel THROUGH states with your firearms.
Please disabuse me of my error

Donald Amarescu
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Donald Amarescu

I believe the key word is THRU . Don’t stop. stay on a highway and don’t deviate from a straight thru route .

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

It is legal to travel THROUGH a state with your gun unloaded and in a locked case and in a locked car trunk. But travel by airline often requires passengers on a connecting flight, maybe an overnight stop, to take possession of all their baggage. Then they must do the TSA and they are “in possession” and in the state. Several states, NY, NJ and MA generally ignore Federal law. Since criminals carrying a few hundred pounds of drugs don’t travel by airline these state enforcement only snare the innocent violator. If you drive a car you must not be… Read more »

JeffG
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JeffG

According to federal law it is legal to travel through states with firearms as long as it is locked up, cased, unloaded and legal for you to have it at both ends of the trip. Sometimes states like NJ and NY ignore this and arrest people anyway so they have to fight things out in court.

Bruce Burnett
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Bruce Burnett

Once you cross the state line you are subject to that states laws, this is also true on reservation land. Your CCW not valid in many states. Always check when traveling

Henry
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Henry

“Your CCW not valid in many states.”

Yes, but this has nothing to do with CCW, as carrying is not even an issue here. It has to do with legal POSSESSION, which is presumably protected by the 2nd, as explained in Miller.

Except, of course, if you are a subject of a People’s Republic like Massachusetts, in which you cannot even possess a handgun without what they call a “license to carry” which (despite the name) may not actually allow you to carry. In which case, revolt or relocate.

Frank Clarke
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Frank Clarke

Yes, you can “travel through”. I you stop over for the night, or if your connecting flight is cancelled and re-booked — if for any reason you collect your luggage and have to re-declare your firearm to the airline, — you are no longer “traveling through”. You have stopped your travel however briefly.

When traveling through any of these states, carry a change of clothes in your carry-on, and DO NOT retrieve your luggage from the airline. Insist they ship it through as if the trip were uninterrupted.

Jake Syma
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Jake Syma

You’re probably thinking of the “safe travel” or “safe passage” provisions of FOPA (the Firearm Owner’s “Protection” Act of 1986).

True, they’re [technically] in there. But they’ll be cold comfort to you in a jail cell in one of the states (like NY and NJ) which choose to mostly ignore them. 😐

See especially the paragraphs beginning ‘Travelers should be aware’ and ‘Special advisory’:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140630/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Jake S, It is that “… choose to mostly ignore them.” part that is worrisome. State employees choosing to ignore U.S.Constitutional rights is also worrisome.

Alan
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Alan

Government employees ignoring the constitution is troublesome, but even more troublesome is the judiciary not pulling them up short, very short.

Nick
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Nick

You stated that the north eastern states are anti-gun – more correctly the state governments of most of theses states are anti gun and are usually controlled by the big urban areas. Most people who live in and around big cities have lost touch with the land and do not own firearms and see no need/use for them. While most people living in rural area are usually brought up around firearms and taught to proper handle them, to safely and use them regularly for hunting and predator control, the same cannot be said for most of our urban brothers, who… Read more »

Rock
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Rock

Pa. should not be included on this antigun list… Pa. is NOT anti gun…. Just a headsup.

Vom Brunhaus
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Vom Brunhaus

You can get 3 years in jail in New Jersey for possession or transfer of a Slingshot !!! Yes Demorat Law is on the books . Many people leaving the State due to Gun Laws . New Dem Governor Murphy intent making NJ a Sanctuary State .