When You Use Marijuana, In Any State, for Any Reason, Forget Owning Guns

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When You Use Marijuana, In Any State, for Any Reason, Forget Owning Guns

Ft Collins, CO –-(Ammoland.com)- Marijuana use, gun purchases, and BATF.

US Attorneys are currently prosecuting five men in ME for falsely claiming on Federal Form 4473 that they were not users of marijuana. Form 4473 must be filled-out for every retail gun purchase.

Marijuana use, medical or “recreational,” is a violation of federal law, even though some states, like ME, have “legalized” it, at least within state boundaries.

How a state can “overrule” federal law has yet to be explained to me in a way that makes any kind of sense. I am confused with regard to what the term “law” even means any more.

However, current implications for potential gun-owners are far easier to understand.

When you use marijuana, in any state and for any reason, forget about owning guns.

For sure, don’t attempt to purchase guns.

BATF doesn’t care what state you live in!

And since after exposure, traces of marijuana remain in your system essentially forever, any use of marijuana at any time in your life probably represents a “deal-buster” with regard to gun ownership.

The five men mentioned above are in for the “hassle of their lives.” Whatever the outcome, this “adventure” will be impoverishing, morbidly frightening, and essentially never-ending.

Another administration might look at this issue differently, but the current one is putting out the clear signal that they are coming after marijuana-users who attempt to buy guns- big time.

Don’t be “that guy!”

/John

Defense Training International, Inc

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  • 39 thoughts on “When You Use Marijuana, In Any State, for Any Reason, Forget Owning Guns

    1. This statement was made in this article . . .made me sick to my stomach!

      How a state can “overrule” federal law has yet to be explained to me in a way that makes any kind of sense. I am confused with regard to what the term “law” even means any more.

      When the true statement should be. . . . How THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT can “overrule” STATE law has yet to be explained to me in a way that makes any kind of sense

    2. Most of the drugs prescribed by doctors for pain or sleep have side effects much more serious than that of marijuana. Before I receive anymore emails about this I already know the laws and do not use marijuana. I just feel the government should really take another look at marijuana and it’s side effects compared to the so called legal medications.

    3. Some drugs are so pervasive that every paper dollar has traces of cocaine, every cop or firemen or EMT that has been in a drug den, warehouse or perhaps arrested / treated a heavy user may have ingested/ absorbed some about of drug.
      Fifty years ago drug testing could find parts per million. Today they can fin find parts per trillion.
      We bought a used car over ten years ago, I know we haven’t put any illegal drugs in the car. What might be behind the dash, under the carpet or what a car mechanic might has left in the car is unknown to me.
      I haven’t been stopped by a cop anywhere in almost 50 years.
      The speed limit is fast enough, I fix the the lights and use them. I stop and look at intersections with stop signs. I look and yield other places.
      I have one bad habit, Pepsi cola. I feel sorry for people whose life is so bad they need alcohol or drugs.

    4. Why aren’t alcohol and prescription pills on the no gun list. Because government makes way more $ off those and weed is harder to controll. It’s all about $, controll and another excuse to take your rights away. Most government officials do drink and take pills so why would they ban themselves from having guns. I’ve said on this forum before, a drunk, a pill popper and a pot head, the pot head is by far the lesser of the evel’s. How many people are killed by drunk driver’s compared to stoned driver’s every year?

    5. There is a little niggly detail that is critical, and germane, in this issue. It is clearly stated that the US Constitition and all laws passed IN ACCORDANCE WITH that document are the supreme law of the land. Note carefully the all caps part of that statement.

      The Controlled SUbstances Act (CSA) passed back in I thin it was the mid 1930’s is NOT “innaccordance with” the superior document. NOWHERE in that document are FedGov granted ANY authority over what we do/do not put into our bodies. ALL laws, acts, etc, enacted that are NOT “in accord with” the Cosntitutoin are null, void, and of no effect. That’s for starters.

      next examine the categorisation of cannabis in the CSA.. Schedule One. What IS “schedule one”? NO medical use whatever, and HIGHLY addictive. Both must be valid to qualify as Schedule One. In the case of cannabis, NEITHER are true. No it is NOT addictive. Nor can it be directly lethal, as alcohol, opium, codeine, etc regularly are. It is impossible to overdose to the point of death. There goes that “characteristic”. Second, it has many proven well documented and researched medical benefits… strong analgesic, anti cancer, a more effective anti-inflamatory than ibuprofe without the dangerous side effects, anti-seizure (VERY effective in relief of epileptic seizures)… so if even ONE of those “medical benefits” is accurate, there goes the other necessary qualifier for Schedulle One classfification.

      So we have FedGov mandating behaviour in an area where they have ZERO authorit to do so, AND we have a falsely categorised substance being demonised on invlaid premises. Thus the Tenth Article of Ammendment does indeed grant any state the authority to render the federal law null, void, and of no effect.

      Furthe,r FedGov have no authority to infringe upon anyone’s right to arms, and thus the rule denying the right to acquire arms on the basis of cannabis use also has no basis in law. Whether this “basis” for denial of the right to arms is based on a BATF rule (not enacted by COngress, thus hnull and void) or the direct result of legislation enacted by Congress and signed into law by a president (see above on the authority of FedGov to regulate what we do/do not put into our bodies) it remains null and void, and states are free to overrule, ignore, void, etc, that law.
      Further WHERE do FedGov get the authority to regulate (infringe upon) firearms sale or possessioin anyway? We’ve let them, yes.. but HOW did that start? It certainly is not consistent with the Constitution as written and ammended.

      aNow before anyone goes off and accuses me of being a pothead.. I do not use the stuff, and have no intention of doing so. I know, because of certain medical issues, I COULD easily qualify for a medical card and get the stuff.. but I’ve no interest in doing so. I agree with policies that prohibit anyone using certain machinery and performing some types of work while under the effects of the substance. I also know those effects wear off within a day or so, despite the cannabis cmponents remaining in the blood for days, wven weeks. Thus, during the wek Charlie better not be toking up at home then coming into my warehouse and running my forklifts. If he wants to tune out Friday after work, fine… but he’d better be “all there” and straight yp Monday morning. WHY? Because I want his judgement and coordinatioin to be tack sharp as he’s running a few tonnes of stuff about my warehouse. On the other hand, if Pete, who is a manual laborer and unloads containers by hand, is still a bit lit, fine.. as long as he can still stack the load onto the pallets for Charlie. NUT.. if hisproduction falls off, we’ll be having a chat. If it persists, he’ll be having his walking papers. No one flying a plane, cutting people up on the operating table, wiring a house or commercial buidling, should do so while under the influence.. of canabis, alcohol, prescription opioids, or even extreme lack of sleep.

      1. Actually, THC is not completely harmless and IS addictive. Among other things, chronic, long term usage can induce Caanabis Hyperemesis Syndrome. It can cause various cardiac problems, and it lowers the threshold for psychotic break, especially in males age 18-24. Inhaled “medical marijuana” is also a misnomer of sorts. Being that no two people inhale exactly alike, it is impossible to come up with a standard dosing this way. That is why Marinol tabs are used instead.

        1. Anything can be abused, and no drug is completely harmless. Even water can kill you if you drink too much at once. The question we should be asking is, have prohibition laws been effective at stopping such abuse, or have they simply given already powerful special interests even greater power to abuse we, the people, while transferring our wealth into their pockets? The answer should be obvious by now.

        2. But Marinol tabs are deadly. Cannabis has never killed anyone. Excuse me if I ignore your ignorance.

          1. Pardon MY ignorance on the matter, but before you claim intellectual superiority, perhaps you should educate yourself. Overdose is not the only way in which a substance can make one very ill or even kill. Google; Cannabis induced A-fib, Cannabis induced stroke, Cannabis Hyperemesis, and Cannabis induced psychotic break, not to mention the many traffic deaths attributed to Cannabis use. When I mentioned Marinol, it was to illustrate the fact that there is no MDI for inhaled THC and that the only way to achieve a measured dose currently, is with something like a tablet form.

            1. The fact remains, Tionico is correct. We can live in a free country, in which the individual is free to make his or her own decisions while being accountable for the results, or we can live as chattel in a nanny state, in which a ruling class controls every aspect of our lives. There is no middle ground. Which would you prefer?

        3. another fool that has been brainwashed, i have been smoking CANNABIS for 35 years i am in perfect health as so are all my friends that have smoked that long , you are just regurgitating bullshit fed to you by people who fear losing money to a practicality harmless plant, The same boldfaced lying scum doctors that got paid a shit ton of money to lie to congress in the 30’s that got it banned are the same lying sacks of shit doctors feeding dumb sheep like you the info you are regurgitating right now, i could list the damage alcohol does to the human body but it would take me hours to type it all down and alcohol is will always be the #1 GATEWAY DRUG PERIOD, did your little sheep brain know that cancer exploded in this country when they removed hemp and cannabis from our diet?? so did obesity and many other sickness, but hey keep being a ignorant sheep.

          1. As a corrections officer of 23 years, I have SEEN many cannabis caused deaths, and I have SEEN many people get violent on cannabis.

    6. “How a state can “overrule” federal law has yet to be explained to me in a way that makes any kind of sense.”

      Try this; the federal government lacks the constitutional authority to outlaw or regulate a substance. Prohibition was legal as it took a constitutional amendment to enact it. It is that simple. Now, we all recognize that the federal government is essentially above the law when it wants to be. So the gist of the article is correct, but it pertains to a rogue government which needs to be clearly understood.

    7. You ask: “How a state can “overrule” federal law has yet to be explained to me in a way that makes any kind of sense. I am confused with regard to what the term “law” even means any more.”
      It is called nullification of unconstitutional laws and was fully supported by the founding fathers. You know that pesky Amendment X? Yes, when States stand up and are the States they should be, that is how it works. The sheriffs and that State AG should be fighting FOR their Citizens and telling the feds to get lost. The general government was created by the States, not the other way around. As such, the creature cannot be greater than the creator.

      1. The 10th amendment allows for marijuana to be legal in your state but it’s still illegal by the federal government.

    8. My wife was taking three 30 milligram oxcycooten and up to 4 15 milligram codean a day this was prescribed by a doctor she now uses medical marijuana and she now uses only one codean a day and that is just to keep her from getting the jitters from withdrawl symtems,so do not tell me that medical marijuana does not work. So the sooner that the feds decriminalize this the sooner we will be off!!!

      1. He never said it doesn’t work. He just said that legally marijuana use prevents you from being allowed to own/buy a gun. I agree with both you and him. I agree that the state attempts to legalize marijuana aren’t legal, but I do think that the federal congress should pass a law reclassifying marijuana.

    9. Vote these people out . Whats the % of them coming to work after drinking with there lunch .

        1. @ Herb I don’t understand the correlation between MJ and the fact that you work in some cancer center. I have been living with cancer for eight years and no one has ever prescribed MJ for my conditions and I have been treated by Oncology groups since it started. One thing they do not recommend is smoking and the most general use of MJ is smoking it.

          1. @Tcat, Sorry to read about that, brother. Herb that is a clever pun. Herb’s sentence implies a lot that demands explanation. Maybe … he forgot what he was going to type.

            1. WB – OMG! I did not mean it to come out that way! Guess I do have some explaining to do! Ha!

          2. Tomcat – I admit my post was a bit vague, an understatement I know. First sorry to hear about your cancer, you are obviously a strong person to have been battling it for so long. The “correlation” is that unlike your case, I’ve seen thousands of patients and some of them have some pretty serious side effects (from chemo and radiation treatments) and choose (not you I understand and that’s your choice, but then one data point does not show a trend agree?) to use it. You don’t have to have a Rx in WA or OR where I work, it’s legal. Have you asked your Oncologist for a medical MJ card? No, well I’ve had patients ask that of me (I am a nurse BTW) And I don’t recall saying anything about smoking it, did I?? Since you’ve not used it maybe you aren’t aware that it comes in other forms like edibles?? What I’ve actually seen is that MJ for quite a few people has really improved their quality of life – reduced pain, reduced nausea, increased appetite, etc… Is it perfect? No. Could it be placebo effect? Sure. But the only really serious side effect I’ve ever seen in ten years on a chemo floor is the nausea induced by long term heavy use (seen that once in a man using it to calm his nerves about coming in for chemo (he would literally vomit the minute he walked in the place, and often not even be able to get his chemo treatment because of that) and he too had been battling colon cancer for over 9 years, and on chemo for at least 5 years straight). I find that people pass judgement on MJ instead of looking at it as any other drug with potential to help like opioid pain killers or antiemetics. About the only caution I tell patients besides the nausea issue I described above, is that we don’t have any “studies” that have been done to tell us what if any interactions may occur between the prescription drugs like chemo that we are prescribing and the MJ. Oh and NOT to smoke it! Anyway hope this clears up some misunderstanding my original post caused. And keep up the fight Tomcay, you are obviously a strong person.

            1. @Herb your explanation is appreciated. The state I live in does not allow medical MJ or recreational MJ. I have bladder cancer and had a bout with colon cancer last summer. It was recommended that I do chemo because the tumor was a stage 3. I did four sessions of oxyplaten and F5U and they burned the lining up in my bladder. I am still in the process of getting healing of the cystitis of the bladder. So, I am off chemo and because I had radiation on the bladder about six years ago they do not want to attempt removing it because I may not heal. Every three months they do a cysco and if there are tumors they remove them. MJ would be helpful after that procedure because it does me in for about a week. I use pain pills the first and second day after surgery but that is it. I don’t want to get hooked on them. Then again, I would not want to give up my carry permit or guns so MJ may not be the answer for me.
              Again, thank you for taking the time to enlighten me and I didn’t even think about the edible type. Have a good day.

    10. If anyone were to write a book detailing all of the “Sheriff of Nottingham” style scams being run out of our public sector at all levels, it would be longer than the entire U.S. tax code. The Drug War is one of them. It has absolutely nothing to do with curtailing drug smuggling and abuse, and everything to do with being the gatekeepers, deciding who gets to peddle their wares and who doesn’t, skimming huge profits in the process, not to mention keeping our privatized prisons profitable for the shareholders.

      Whether or not states can nullify Federal law is still controversial. I believe they can, when Federal law violates the Constitution. While California is in violation of Federal law, because control over entry into the United States is clearly delegated to the Federal government, Montana’s actions are correct, as the the Federal government has no Constitutional authority to regulate firearms. Neither does it have any authority to regulate drugs, or any other commerce other than that crossing state borders. John Farnam’s confusion is understandable. I can’t tell if the Constitution and the rule of law are still in force, or even enforceable, anymore.

      Why Trump keeps appointing swamp creatures like Jeff Sessions leaves me mystified. Speculating on the question gives me nightmares.

      1. Trump appointed Sessions, Wray, and others on bad advice. Trump is running out of time.

    11. It’s not just guns the Marijuana use will cause trouble with. In theory you could lose a pilots license, sea captains license. You could lose a job if the employer holds or even bids on government jobs. You will definitely lose you security clearance and with it the associated job. Technically you could have your passport revoked and you could find it impossible to get visas to non visa waiver countries and possibly even be denied entry to visa waiver countries. John Lennon was denied entry to the US because of a publicly photo of him with a joint. You would likely be denied US citizenship if you are a resident alien. If you are denied US citizenship your I90 “green card” would be revoked and you would be subject to deportation. You could also lose your default import / exporter license so any import / export business you have would be impacted. I don’t think people fully understand what the impact is of dealing with in illegal drug even one legal at the state level.

      1. Yes, the situation is ironic. You can be openly alcoholic, or taking prescription narcotics, or even taking SSRI’s for any number of mental health issues, without impacting any of those things, even purchasing a firearm (unless your psychiatrist reports you as a danger to self or others in the case of psychotropics), but using marijuana to treat medical conditions it’s proven to work for turns you into public enemy number one. Of the drugs I mentioned, only cannabis is not known to make its users more likely to engage in violence. It makes the official position that marijuana prohibition is about public safety a really hard sell, doesn’t it? Before anyone asks, I don’t use canabis for any reason or recreational drugs of any kind, don’t drink either.

        1. I’ve seen non drinkers that smoke weed do some really weird things involving firearms.
          More so than the reverse situation. That’s been my experience over the last 50 + years.
          I’d sooner be around a drinker than a smoker handling guns any day.

          1. Your experience runs counter to the prevailing literature. That doesn’t invalidate your experience, as it may simply be atypical, similar to John Farnam’s experience with 10mm pistols. There are many studies which found no link between Marijuana use and any form of violent behavior. You can, of course, find papers which did find such a link – most of which have been funded by either the government or the pharmaceuticals industry. It’s also worth considering exactly who you’ve observed behaving badly. Cannabis has been illegal for a long time, so until very recently, the kind of person who’d be using it is also likely to be a member of the same more or less lawless, irresponsible sub-group of the population that has given us so much grief in the form of prescription drug and alcohol abuse, all kinds of criminal activity whether drug related or not, and negligent behavior with firearms and other dangerous tools.

        1. @Farmer the same thing I was wondering. There are pictures of him smoking joints. Another question of how did he get installed as President.

    12. “And since after exposure, traces of marijuana remain in your system essentially forever, any use of marijuana at any time in your life probably represents a “deal-buster” with regard to gun ownership”

      This is not true, cannabinoids are not toxic and not so removed by the liver/kidneys but do have a half life and will be reduced to a non detect in short order… From DP, “…Police departments in the state are changing their attitudes. Last year, the Aurora Civil Service Commission adopted a policy that requires applicants to its police and fire departments to be marijuana-free for one year instead of three.”

      Just don’t put your name any lists of disfavored minorities… Gun registration anyone?!

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