English Judge Says Solution to Knife Crime is to Remove the Point

English Judge Says Solution to Knife Crime is to Remove the Point
English Judge Says Solution to Knife Crime is to Remove the Point

Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- A British judge is proposing that all knives in the country have the points filed off.  You do not really need pointy knives, he says, and they are causing all the knife crime.

The parallels to the push to ban guns in the UK are unmistakable. From telegraph.co.uk:

A judge has proposed a nationwide programme to file down the points of kitchen knives as a solution to the country’s soaring knife crime epidemic.

Last week in his valedictory address, retiring Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge spoke of his concern that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles and called on the Government to ban the sale of large pointed kitchen knives.

Latest figures show stabbing deaths among teenagers and young adults have reached the highest level for eight years, and knife crime overall rose 22 per cent in 2017.

In the past two months, he said, there have been 77 knife-related incidents in Bedfordshire, including three killings.

Does he really believe these young warriors, defending their honor and their turf, as they see it, will be deterred from having effective weapons because they may need to file a point back on a knife?

Does he completely miss the availability of steel, hard plastic, files, belt sanders, brass, bronze, copper, aluminum, or even flint and glass?

How far separated from reality is this judge?
How far separated from reality is this judge?

According to the theory pushed to ban guns, it was the guns that caused crime. It is hard to believe that anyone in the British Government at the time (early 1920's on through the 1980's) actually believed that to be true. Some might have. People are exceptionally good at rationalizing their decisions.

Research done by Joyce Lee Malcomb in the United States and Chief Inspector Colin Greenwood have shown that it was fear of revolt (an armed population) that drove the legislation, not the extraordinary low crime rate at the time. But the crime rate rose as social cohesion was discredited, Christianity mocked, and the rise of “diversity” trumped British pride in their achievements and history.

This is what happens when you push the notion that crime is caused by inanimate objects, when you buy into the gibberish that there is no human nature.  Science and Christianity both understand that there is a human nature. It is violent, selfish, and needs to be tamed. Science would call it our predatory ancestry. Christianity calls it original sin.

The default position for humanity is the tribe. The tribe views all outsiders as enemies or resources or both. The tribe values its warriors because the warriors protect the tribe and define it.

It takes a lot of effort to turn the warrior drive into a positive value for a greater society. It has to be done every generation. Each child is a wild animal that must be tamed.

Attempting to stop crime by eliminating weapons is insane. Crime is reduced to a minimal level when societies respect their warriors, give then purpose and meaning, and shared responsibility to protect the nation, which can include the weak, the infirm, and the old.

Not doing this is a self-correcting backwater. Societies that do not honor their warriors become prey to those who do.  Western society did not become the predominant force in the world by denigrating warriors, but by using them to spread and enforce civilized values.

Weapons and conflict are as much a part of mankind's genetic makeup as are speech and thought.

When England banned most guns through hyper-regulation, people predicted that knives would be next. Then pointy sticks, then lumber, then rocks.

It appears England is at the second stage. Guns have been banned or heavily regulated. Crime is up. Knives are being demonized, and the strongest young toughs rule the streets. 

Before 1920, Englishmen respected property rights and individual rights. Those rights were supported by the theory of natural law and Christianity.

Anyone could purchase a gun privately, without registration or regulation. Englishmen had the right to arms. The crime rate was a fraction of what it is today.

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Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

  • 40 thoughts on “English Judge Says Solution to Knife Crime is to Remove the Point

    1. Englishmen have never had the right to bear arms as the articles states. Arms have been controlled, banned, unbanned, restricted etc… since Roman times with each monarch or government having it´s own idea´s on when, how and what with a man could be armed with.

      If you go back to the legend or Robin Hood, the reason that his men were mostly armed with quarter staff´s (sticks) instead of swords was because peasants were not permitted to own swords. Bow´s were banned throughout.

      It is true that firearms were effectively unregulated for a short time (form their introduction to just after the great war) and that the gradual banning of all firearms has been underway since then. We are now permitted only single shot or bold action rifles with 5 round magazines or less and shotgun´s. These can only used for target shooting or hunting,

      To hunt you must complete a very difficult course which is both long and expensive and to target shoot you must be a member of a registered club (not easy to find).

      The police issues the licenses and they can refuse for any reason they like (and often do) and do not have to provide a reason. Any criminal record, including traffic, no license. Any history of depression, no gun.

      They now even consult your wife and seek her consent before issuing a license. If your local police feel that they have too many licensed guns in the area and you want one, tough, they will just say no.

      If you do get a license, they police will inspect your home, check the security and possibly demand upgrades in locks and alarm systems. The police retain the right to come to your house, unannounced at any time to check the firearms is present, is safely stored in a safe and that the ammunition is accounted for and in a separate safe.

      Ammunition purchases are restricted by quantity, they will usually state that you can only purchase 100 and buy 100, you can negotiate for more and this silly game goes on and on. You ask for 1000 they give you 500. If you ask for 500 they give you 250.

      Semi auto, currently you can have a semi auto .22 but no centre fire. They are trying to ban semi auto .22 as I write this and will likely succeed as guns have been out of the public eye for and demonised for so long that your average brit feels that nobody needs a gun and only bad people have them.

      You can NOT apply for a license to use a firearm for self defense, it is totally unacceptable and will never be granted, Even asking to do so may prevent you from ever acquiring a license in the future.

      Since pistols are banned here, our Olympic shooting team has to travel to switzerland to train. This is not a joke, they really do.

      A once proud nation of marksmen, winners of many shooting competitions throughout the world and a society that valued marksmanship as a life skill (once taught in schools) is now over.

      Gun crime on the other hand is thriving and has never been worse.

      The situation is bad, very bad for law abiding citizens but it is no way compares with the 2A and an American citizens right to bear arms, there is no parallel due to the UK´s very, very long history of legislating weapons which, as I said, goes back for some 2000 years.

      For the avoidance of doubt, I fully support legal and responsible gun ownership and I find the the US 2A is fully inline with natural law and the natural right and necessity to self defence.

      It is beyond absurd that we in the UK find ourselves in this situation and it shows you how bad this can get if you accept ANY gun control whatsoever. Cherish and protect your constitution, it is all that is keeping your government from realising it´s totalitarian tendencies.

      The path way to hell is paved with good intentions.

    2. Article Quote: …”Does he completely miss the availability of steel, hard plastic, files, belt sanders, brass, bronze, copper, aluminum, or even flint and glass?”…

      Um … watch yourself on what Britain or Australia COULD AND WOULD DO, In Australia that (hardware tools materials e.t.c.) was talked of in various times of notable excessively news reported violence during the early forerunner to the in the mid 1980’s of firearms bans when the rumblings of how to curb home built weapons was discussed TOO.

      1. Let’s see, all I need for charcoal is some discreet tree prunings and a heat resistant air tight container, iron is easily obtained from black sand or bogs, a couple of flat rocks or bricks can suffice as hammer and anvil. A paste of six parts powdered charcoal, four parts table salt, and three parts flour will give me a hardenable edge. If I wanted to up my game a bit, nitric acid can be made from the air with an electric arc. That and some Epsom’s salts can get me sulfuric acid, and we’re on our way to guncotton! Then again, why go to all that bother when I can just steal whatever I need?

        Your point is still well taken. This “judge” is the kind who would burn books; it’s been tried before. His kind are the reason that most of human history has been brutal, ignorant and primitive. They’ll frog march us back into the dark ages if we let them.

    3. The U.K. is doomed. Uptight aholes like this ignorant judge are destroying the country. How can anyone listen to this moron with a wig saying this insanity? I want the U.K. to finally admit the guns committed no crimes and kept the peace.
      Criminals and terrorists are laughing at this joke of a government. All cars should not have tires. Then they can’t run over anyone. Lock this jerk up in the Tower of London and forget about him.

    4. Apparently, the dimwit judge is never heard of a kitchen implement referred to as a cleaver.

      There are several Chinese chefs I can introduce that judge to, they could prove to him and no uncertain terms that a point is not necessary to do lethal harm to a person using a cleaver!

      I would say that the next weapon to be seen on London streets, would be hatchets and what we referred to, or used to refer to and short handled battle axes, the type made famous in the Indian Wars!

    5. This is by far the dumbest ideology I could have imagined. So turn in your knives, to protect yourselves from psychotic criminals attacking with knives? FTW? I don’t understand how turning in knives will prevent the bad guys from attacking you with knives? Will the bad guys turn in all their knives? Will the bad guys stop making dangerous weapons, like shanks we see in prisons? By this logic the subjects of the UK will be required to turn in their hands and feet, to prevent assaults on themselves.. Globalist Intelligence and people-control methods has officially jumped the shark in the UK.

    6. @ Vanns40 good post and primarily what I was thinking that the British has relinquished all their rights to the half wit government so they will have pointless knives.
      Commifornia is getting closer to the edge, now chewbacca the att. general has passed a rule making it illegal to travel to Oklahoma if you are a resident of commifornia. In his mind he is the new ruler of the subjects.

      1. @Tcat, “… pointless knives … getting closer to the edge…” , is this National Make A Pun Day? Ok, I want to play, too: Interesting how his honor gives us the benefit of his wisdom as he is … folding up… his career. A typical elitist…sticking it to the people… shaving a little off… of their Rights. He even looks the gay blade.

    7. Pointy knives ’cause’ stabbings?

      One need only look at that logic to easily know it is false.

      Points on knives no more cause stabbings that any other inanimate object ’causes’ anything.

      Seriously, stop blaming to tool and start blaming the bad actors.

    8. Tight wigs cause stupid British Judges. Just a guess, but I’d bet it can be proved.

      Never saw Winston Churchill with a powdered wig.

    9. Well, let’s see: If pointed knives cause stabbings, DO PENISES CAUSE RAPES???
      Let’s follow that to its logical conclusion.

    10. I’d be willing to bet that if we conducted a surprise inspection of his home, we’d find the very items he would ban.

    11. BEST SOLUTION ACTUALLY EXISTS:
      On sailing ships of the 1500s they had all the sailors remove the tip of their knives–slowed stabbings not slashing-dumb idea. BEST SOLUTION FOR MANY: Trump mentioned once that the solution to terrorism is to kill off the families of the terrorists–that actually would work after a few examples were made. Then some imported or local euro trash would think twice. One would not know who wacked the families of course and you need not get all members, maybe mom dad, a sibling or two, etc. In a middle east county or one of the various ‘stans you could get them all or have it done.

      1. @Jim, Actually that’s what the Russians do, they catch a terrorist, they take out his entire family, and if a few captured at same time from the same village, they wipe out the village… works for me. The Russians are of the mindset of protect their own, vs here where worry about how the terrorist “feel”

    12. We don’t need to import stupidity from those pansy ass Euro-trash. Next it will be hammers, then pliers, then pencils and rocks. Hell, make everything illegal and just kill yourselves. What a bunch of morons.

    13. It didn’t help when that muslim hacked up those soldiers on the streets with a cleaver or is that besides the point pun intended

    14. Ok. This is how the use of chopsticks and the Asian martial arts came about back in ancient history time before judges with wigs.

    15. This Eurodope sure is comfortable telling people what they don’t need and calling for bans. How wise to understand each individual life of so many people that he can dictate what they need and what they should not have. Some “motorist” should have accidentally drove over him years ago.
      Maybe driving over “the authorities” should be the new hobby in Europe.

    16. How stupid do people get ? Removing a point does nothing to stop knife attacks,, they still can cut the throats of innocent people

    17. In a L’ll Orphan Annie comic strip years ago, Daddy Warbucks tells Annie about a Muslim country that cuts the right hand off thieves. When she asks if that is effective in warning prospective thieves, he responds that it creates left-handed thieves. The point is that no law or punishment is sufficient to change all human behavior.. As here, people just move on to alternatives to accomplish their purposes. I seem to recall, for example, that the primary murder weapon in the U.S. is fists.

    18. Sounds like something from a Monty Python scene knocking off points from knife blades.
      Has the entire country gone bonkers.

    19. This is beyond stupid. Besides the obvious fact that any idiot can put a point on a piece of scrap metal, does he not realize that a point is not entirely necessary? Open invitation to his honor: stop by and we’ll have tea. Then, you stand still while I poke you a few times with a wood chisel. It doesn’t have a point, so it should be perfectly harmless, right?

      1. Your “points” are well taken and, I might add, have been long recognized right here without most even realizing it. Why do you think folks all over the US are now making their own lower AR receivers out of 80% blanks? The answer is because they see the government slowly but surely intruding on their Right to own an inanimate object, so they make their own, buy the remaining parts, assemble it and voila’, their very own AR15 with no paperwork and no serial number. No matter what laws are passed, no matter how repressive a government may become, they’ll never know how many firearms, or what firearms, are in the hands of private individuals.

        This is where we differ from the Brits and most other countries. We have not yet surrendered our freedoms and become sheep as the Brits have done. They have no way to fight back against criminals and the invading horde which has taken over entire sections of cities. We do.

        1. @Vann, The many and various governments better ban rope and slip knots, and ban them fast, before they get tangled up in lamp post violence.

        2. @V40,

          Unfortunately, in California if you made your own AR, you have to apply for an ID number and stamp it and register it.

          I know CA sucks.

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