Pro-2A NRA Haters Here is an FYI For You

Comments by NRA Board Member Duane Liptak

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Pro-2A NRA Haters Here is an FYI For You

USA –  -(AmmoLand.com)- So, it’s relatively popular to bash the NRA right now, and we have a lot of folks in our own community that are happy to jump on that bandwagon. I get it. I don’t like where we are at with the 2A situation, either, and I wish the NRA could yell “Shall not be infringed,” from the mountaintops.

But, through my involvement with the org over the past years, and the insight into the DC and state level situations I’ve unfortunately had to gain about lobbying and managing lobbying efforts, I also understand some things that make me appreciate the strengths of what the NRA actually brings to us, and I felt compelled to share that as a comment on some posts that decried the current state of the NRA. Some folks urged me to make it sharable, so I’m doing so, with some cleaning up of my language. 🙂

I get that some folks will call me full of it, or claim “the NRA is in full damage control” or whatever, but this isn’t an NRA statement. This is a statement from me, a very, very zealous advocate for extreme libertarian gun rights, with an understanding of the current political landscape. Take it as you will, but please put aside your prejudices for just a moment to read, because if we can’t get everyone pushing in the same direction, we can’t beat the disarm-America-movement, because they are more than willing to get together to achieve our ruin.

In any of this commentary, I’m speaking for myself, not for the NRA.

I have to use that disclaimer, as I’m speaking out of turn, and this is MY PERSONAL understanding of the events and information, not official NRA position. I suppose some of this information could also be potentially damaging to future efforts because it lays out some reasoning and strategy, but it’s to a point right now where people need to understand some things. The NRA is not just your best defense, they are your ONLY defense. FPC does fantastic legal work, as does SAF. GOA is great at grass roots email activation and they file some amicus briefs and lawsuits. All of them have ZERO capability to interact with lawmakers in a meaningful way more than me running up to DC, which I do a couple times a year. No one else does, period, and that’s why I’m on board with helping to steer the NRA rather than bash it.

I’ll start out by saying I’m about as hard core libertarian on gun laws as it gets, as in mail order suppressed FA belt feds for everyone. Let’s also get out that pretty much everyone in the NRA building is pretty far along that line, as well. I was talking to Chris and crew about strategies to open the registry during the Bumpfire stock litigation while we talked about how to fight some of the things we know are coming. They’re on board, really. Now, the other side of this is that it’s Washington, D.C., and the number one priority of most congress-folk is getting re-elected. To some extent, that’s fine, as they are supposed to be representing the will of their district or state, and votes support that. When they evaluate an issue, they look at how it will help or hurt their re-election, and…what else they can get for it. If they support A, can they get B as an amendment to help their state, can they count on attracting donors with a particular stance, etc. So let’s take a look at the bumpfire stock thing.

Bump Stocks

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After Vegas, bumpfire stock legislation was drafted, but NRA had the juice to kill it. Then we have Parkland, and the public outcry to the lawmakers is that we have to “do something for the children”, even if it’s meaningless and dumb—because it was kids this time instead of adults in a currently unsympathetic demographic like Vegas. A strong majority of both chambers were willing to pass a bumpfire stock ban as “something”. The language in the legislative ban included binary triggers, cranks, etc., and could also at some point be interpreted by ATF to include ANY aftermarket trigger and even be mangled to include semi-autos in general as having the capability to have rates of fire similar to machine guns and thus, be regulated.

It would be a disaster. NRA pushed back hard, but guess what…the legislators were reacting to public sentiment, and they had more than enough votes to pass it. It was going to come out of committee.

We (Magpul) yelled at our lobbyists to kill it. NSSF was trying to kill it. NRA was trying to kill it. But…Trump apparently dislikes two things in the firearms world: bumpfire stocks and elephant hunting, for reasons that are his own. So a veto was not happening. So…what’s your play? You can say “No bans, not one inch” and send out a fundraising email, and everyone would feel good about the NRA position, but the ban would have passed, and the Dems would potentially have everything they needed for a semi-auto ban already in law, ready to be interpreted nefariously. So, the decision to make the push to regulatory was hatched. NSSF was on board, as well, as everyone thought there was a better chance of killing it in regulatory, or at least fighting it as it would be a hell of a stretch to regulate like that. The NRA’s wording was poor from my perspective. Even if they said, “you don’t need legislation because this is a regulatory matter, and regulatory can take a look at it and clarify,” that would have been better. But, they didn’t…for a few reasons.

One, I’m sure they hoped that their “support” of a regulatory fix could sour the legislative efforts and then cancel the regulatory look, too. In any case, the legislation was averted by the push to regulatory, and the regulatory ban is narrow and also likely to be overturned. FPC is making good authority arguments in their suit, and the NRA is arguing on “takings”. The Dems have reintroduced the legislative ban in the house this session because they wanted the “other” stuff that was also intentionally included. As long as the regulatory ban lasts while legal arguments are happening, the bill can probably be killed. Is that a trade or a compromise? No. It’s not a trade if a dog turd sandwich is being forced down your throat, and it’s pretty much a done deal, but you manage to get away with only taking one bite instead of the whole thing. But, the left LOVES it when the NRA does such things because they have trolls [posting right here on AmmoLand] that are helping to divide the gun community, although we do a great job of it ourselves.

The stronger the NRA is, the stronger the positions can be. The more members the NRA has, the more pressure they can bring in discussions about elections and the more support that stronger positions have when talking to politicians. The more money they have, the more we can spend in elections. Is the NRA perfect? Oh, heck no! No organization is. But they are our only real chance. The NRA, with the help of the NSSF, also, has killed an actual AWB and magazine restrictions on the national level several times in the past few years alone. I, or our lobbyists, have seen it. No one else was even considered part of the conversation, regardless of posturing. We also wouldn’t have FOPA [Firearms Owner Protection Act], and if anyone wants to complain about Hughes, which I hate as much as anyone, if you were currently living under GCA ’68, and had the chance to get the FOPA protections, but someone slipped in the Hughes amendment at the last minute to try to poison the bill, you’d still support passing it.

The NRA didn’t give you GCA ’68. They tried to minimize damage in another time when overwhelming support for even worse gun control existed after Kennedy and King were assassinated. NFA originally included handguns, also, and was in a similar period of hysteria about mob violence. Without the NRA and also the NSSF, we wouldn’t have had the Lawful Commerce in Arms act of 2005, and the entire firearms industry in the US would be out of business by now—sued into bankruptcy just by fending off lawsuits from Bloomberg lawyers.

There are a lot of wins there, but make no mistake…I want more, too. However…please understand that even with the R majority we had for the last two years…soft Rs like Flake, Rubio, and the other purple district congressmen and senators had us in a bad spot even then. Repealing the NFA, as much as I want that to die, has about 5% support in Congress right now. You’re not getting that legislatively unless you change out 95% of Congress, no matter how hard we could push for it, or how many “strong statements” anyone makes.

We are, in reality, barely hanging on to a slim majority of elected officials at the national level that even believes the 2A is an individual right!

The only path to right this course, especially with states like CA, CO, NJ, MA, NY, WA, etc., is through judicial review. And…love Trump or hate him, regardless of anything else he has done, if it were Hillary putting 2, possibly 3 judges on the USSC bench, the 2A would be dead in 10 years. That’s why NRA went all in with him. Not because he was a philosophically pure candidate on all of 2A, but because he was willing to put pro 2A judges on the bench, and because he could win. No one else on our side could, and the alternative—a Hillary presidency—would have been disastrous.

But They Get Paid Too Much

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Executive salaries in the NRA are not shabby.

Someone is going to bring up salaries and expenditures and mail solicitations, and such, so let me hit that for a second. Executive salaries in the NRA are not shabby. Agreed. They are, however, less than organizations like the Red Cross, AARP, and other not-for-profit .orgs of similar size, and you have to understand that NRA execs are limiting their future job options by taking that job. You’re not going from the NRA to Patagonia, REI, or ANY politically sensitive company. But… we can still do better, I think. There is a compensation review coming.

The organization has already slashed budgets by increasing efficiencies, cutting funding to major habitual contractors [like those that opperate NRA News], tightening up contracts in general, and all around tightening up the ship. The new Treasurer is a stud. Good things are happening as far as a fiduciary responsibility to the members, as the org knows there is a BIG fight coming in 2020. And rumors of things like cutting off coffee to staff are BS. They just went from a vendor, like many offices use, to a self-administered coffee mess…like many offices use. We have that here. I hate getting junk mail, but they produce results. I’d love to streamline the opt-out process for that, plus maybe knock off the renewal notices a month after you renew and things like that, and those are goals of mine, but we also need the cash and members to keep up the fight, and the mailings produce results. Is it enough to offset people who don’t renew to avoid the harassment? I don’t know…but I’d like to look at it. Help to recruit a few new members yourself, and that will help cut down on calls and mailings.

Anyway, this is a heck of a rant, but I’ve seen too much NRA bashing lately by those who don’t know what’s even going on in DC.

It’s a mess. I hate going there. But, the NRA is actually our best advocate there, regardless of what you think about some of the publicly stated positions. Making a press release that says, “We support repealing the NFA and doing away with the 4473 and all other remnants of GCA ’68,” doesn’t actually accomplish anything if you can’t produce results. It actually damages the ability to explain the real downsides of the issues that are at hand, with support, that need to be killed, because you won’t even get to talk to the people on the fence to make your case. Dems tend to ask for “common sense gun reform”, which we know means disarm America. Consider looking at NRA public statements through the same lens, in reverse. Maneuvering the swamp requires talking in less than absolute terms, even when behind the scenes, your goal is absolute. I have friends on the NRA staff. You’re not going to find more ardent supporters of the absolute, not to be infringed 2A than those people.

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Red Flag Laws – Should Constitutional Rights be so easily infringed? Well if you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it’s adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Dems—you know, like due process, and penalties for false reports

One last note on red flag laws…If you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it’s adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Dems—you know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these. There’s not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag laws–because of the risk of abuse. But…saying “not one inch” and sending out emails saying how strong someone’s stance is (that doesn’t actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want. With NRA “supporting” a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an “NRA supported bill”—because they don’t actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous people…there are trying to disarm regular Americans!

You may also see attempts to tie reciprocity or HPA to it, whether NRA supported, or just through the actions of Republicans. That’s not a “compromise” or “deal”–it’s trying to pull a Hughes amendment on the Dems. To kill just enough support from their hardcore that it starts to falter—while they work moderates and weak republicans behind the scenes on the real issues.

We’re actually in a really shitty spot with support for UBC and red flag laws in Congress, and without mechanisms like this, they’d pass a horrible version pretty handily in the house, and it is dangerously close in the Senate. If we have—God forbid—another shooting, it would sail through.

I don’t like any of this any more than the next guy, but people bash the NRA a lot without understanding the reality of how the silly reindeer games get played on the hill. Try to at least understand the value that the organization provides because it is big and very real, and critically important. I want a live tank in my front yard and mail order Solothurn S-18/1000’s from Bannerman’s. But the path to get there isn’t exactly a clear one in the current legislative environment. Without the strength of the NRA helping to pack the courts, shape elections the best we can, fight off bad legislation wherever possible and pave the way to improve rights through the judiciary (we’ve confirmed 85 federal judges in addition to the 2 Supremes with 130 more to go), I fear we won’t have a path to it at all. That’s why I’m a member of the NRA, and helping to make the organization as right as we can get it is why I got involved.

I get the frustration. I’m mad that we’re even in this situation. How could we, a republic, born from free men taking up arms against oppression, even be considering some of this nonsense? It baffles me. And, I used to be super frustrated with the NRA, also. Until…I was forced into being involved in politics and seeing how this whole mess works. Now I know what I have to do, and I hope everyone out there who cares about gun rights can get on board, too.

So, if you want to support GOA or FPC or FPC, or JPFO…that’s fantastic. Join your state organization, also. Be active locally. Let your elected representatives know how you feel on these issues regularly. But…be a member of the NRA, and be active. Vote. Let the board and the staff know where you stand on issues.

Help to be a part of the solution. If we, as gun owners, can’t stick together and take advantage of the strengths of all of our organizations where they can do the most good, we will lose this fight. I’m not willing to lose.


About Duane Liptak Jr

Duane Liptak Jr., is the the Executive Vice President of Magpul Industries. and a current NRA Board of Director.

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    Mick Bolander
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    Meh. Liptak is a complete a**hole, as is pretty much every other “executive” with whom I’ve dealt that works in “the industry”. After a bad experience with a Magpul product and their failure to reconcile their error Liptak took pride in not doing anything as I had the gall to detail the situation on a public forum. The “gun culture” are a bunch of weak-minded buffoons who need to belong to some sort of cult to feel important and there is an entire industry of a**holes like Liptak profiting off of their weak-mindedness. The NRA exists solely to cater to… Read more »

    Jaque
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    Jaque

    You are the Asshole. No wonder Magpul ignored you. There is no gun cult or culture. Only Americans exercising a natural right to bear arms. Its not a right granted by laws of man. No. Its a right at birth. The 2nd Amendment is a restraint upon government to not infringe on Americans natural right. Do you really think that by taking away the guns from the law abiding Americans would be safer ? How are the nations drug laws working ?

    Will
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    Will

    @Jaque,my reply was to that Mick scumbag POS !

    Will
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    Will

    FU*CK YOU BIT*CH !

    David P.Curcione N.R.A.
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    David P.Curcione N.R.A.

    1. I believed most eastern States will become Red Flag States in the Future??

    Ansel Hazen
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    Ansel Hazen

    2 things Duane:

    1) The NRA abandoned Maine in 2018. No support for Eric Brakey running against Angus King and the NRA left Poloquin to wither on the vine and he was replaced with another gun grabber Jared Golden. Thanks to the NRA Maine is now TOTALLY BLUE.

    2) Magpul needs to re-release the straight 20 round gen 2 AR15 magazine. The gen 3 with it’s banana shape looks like shit.

    Okay 3 things. Get the NRA to stop using ChiCom swag as “gifts” for renewal. How stupid is that?

    John
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    John

    Hey, Lipstick, what happened to using all that anti-NRA angst to get yourself elected in the first place? Now that you’re part of the rotten core in the center of the NRA apple, the people you appealed to are crybabies? What happened to this? “I am asking for your vote for the 2018 NRA BOD because I want to be a voice for you, to protect ALL of our rights, and beyond that, to push harder for taking back more of the firearms freedoms that we have lost over the last 80 years.” Oh, I know what happened. You got… Read more »

    FU Liptak
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    FU Liptak

    When someone starts their article with an obvious lie like he’s speaking for himself and not the NRA… it’s tough to even swallow the rest of the BS.

    This is an all-out, circle-the-wagons, NRA BOD election is coming up, gotta stop the bleeding of members refusing to donate effort.

    Alex Knight
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    Alex Knight
    Larry Goodman
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    Larry Goodman

    With all due respect . If you give an inch they will take a mile… I am so shocked Ollie is supporting any of this…

    Joe R.
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    Joe R.

    The NRA isn’t our ‘last-bastion of freedom’ “safety-net” “insurance policy”, it’s our governmental representatives’ “fire wall”. As soon as we become certain that the NRA hasn’t convinced our stupid neighbors who needed a job (our ‘government’) that they need to F-off with respect to attempts at gun control, then we can prosecute the 2nd Paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, which states no less than 2 times in the flesh language, that bona fide citizens have a right and duty to throw off our government, whenever we deem necessary, and install new guards for our security. It’s an ongoing consideration,… Read more »

    Samuel Whittemore
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    Samuel Whittemore

    Compromise is fail…u have to let these sissy babies get tar and feathered and hung from the light post.

    Mass hangings in all 50 states will end this tyrannical Govt taking our rights paid 4 in blood!!

    RotaryConnected
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    RotaryConnected

    At Sam W.,,,,,
    Amen to that ! And their assets confiscated and put into the Patriots General Fund, which would be used to prosecute all other TRAITORS who would dare whisper their poison in the Halls of Congress, or the back alleys of the furtherest city, and every place in between.

    Cal S.
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    Cal S.

    I love how legitimate criticisms of a supposed pro-2A organization like the NRA is met with…crying baby faces. Yeah, because that’s going to induce me to come back and open up my pockets. The NRA is in financial trouble. Donations are down. So, instead of coming out and owning up; saying “We’re sorry, we just called it wrong” or “Things will be different”, the NRA is sending out an army of minions to say “Things aren’t going to change, we’re going to keep throwing gun owners under the bus whenever we feel like it, but shut up about it and… Read more »

    Damion cocchi
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    Damion cocchi

    The Second Amendment is not about hunting, nor target shooting. Just like the 1st Amendment isn’t for discussing the weather. We all know the Second Amendment. We can recite it by heart. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” But it is infringed. It’s infringed every day. From the President to the line police officer, laws are passed, regulations are promulgated, judicial decisions are written, all of which are enforced with the very guns citizens should have full and equal… Read more »

    Bernard Wright
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    Bernard Wright

    Great rant, but I think you should rethink your focus. If the strategy being used by the NRA isn’t working, maybe they need to rethink the direction being taken. Several years ago Bloomberg stated he couldn’t win the debate Nationally because of the NRA’s strength. He proposed attacking gun ownership state by state. So far he is winning more often then loosing because the NRA has little if any grassroots organization at the state level. All I hear is people like you and the NRA itself blaming individual gun owners for their lack of support. Sound to me like you… Read more »

    Rusty
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    Rusty

    Another coordinated media release from NRA.

    By the way, Duane… how are all your fellow cops at the Lake Arthur PD?

    Rusty
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    Rusty

    Hey Duane, how are all your fellow cops at Lake Arthur PD?

    John
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    John

    Just how many NRA BoDs are cops there anyway? LEOSA for me not for thee? Sounds like the NRA way.

    Not impressed
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    Not impressed

    Respectfully. WRONG. The NRA called for additional regulation on bumpstocks right after vegas. They didnt “expend there juice” saving us from bumpstock legislation, and then cave after parkland due to lacking political capital. They caved right away, and they compromised by asking for executive gun control instead of legislation. After parkland they caved to the anti-gunners fully by supporting red flag legislation. And some vague phases by chris cox about “but due process” arent going to poison pill anything. The nra is writting legislation, just publicly supporting gun control. I agree that we need to get people back onboard with… Read more »

    John Gulso
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    John Gulso

    No one cares what impotent board-members-in-name-only think anymore Duane. The NRA isn’t the problem, the “I’m on the board because it makes me feel important without having to take any responsibility for how Wayne and Marion have turned the organization into a rights for sale profit center” is the problem.

    And now that the member ship has wised up en masse, and begun pulling their money elsewhere, people like you are starting to squirm.

    Like maggots.

    Chas
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    Chas

    Go fuck yourself. And Magpul does not get 1 more penny from me……

    T
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    T

    I’ve never really liked anything magpul to begin with, and never given the NRA any membership money. Certainly not gonna start now.

    The Grey Man
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    The Grey Man

    I’ve been an NRA member for 35 years off and on. Military family, police family, the whole 9 yards. I hold my nose and back them because they are the only EFFECTIVE organization out there to deal with the political realities nowadays. The other organizations are very good but too small to have an impact POLITICALLY! Clout is the name of the game gentlemen and they’re the only one big enough… AARP has more clout with 38 million members! Remember, it’s ALWAYS about the numbers… That is all…

    Joe R.
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    Joe R.

    The NRA has been hacked by the 5th Column worse than the (D)emocrat and (R)epublican parties.

    Keep your guns for the end of America, that way you might have a say in what comes next.

    Joe R.
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    Joe R.

    The NRA can’t ask you for your support to help you with a problem that has been solved, so “let’s keep that ‘seat at the table’ so we can ‘have a voice in the argument’ ‘.

    NO,

    Let’s get done with the conversationalists.

    A constitutionalist
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    A constitutionalist

    The NRA did NOT get us President Trump.

    The people did that.

    All the NRA has done is support the erosion of our rights more than defend them.

    FORMER Life Member
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    FORMER Life Member

    The mental gymnastics required to concoct this must have left Liptak exhausted. I’m sure NRA staff helped craft it after seeing legitimate criticism of Hammer and Cox and LaPierre blasted all over the internet.

    This “spontaneous” statement has a lot in common with the sellout Marion Hammer’s post a couple of days ago. A nice blend of spin and BS.

    The tuxedo picture is a nice touch… it’s symbolic of how NRA spends our hard earned money.

    Joe R.
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    Joe R.

    What a pant load. The NRA is the problem. If the NRA isn’t fixing our idiot neighbors who needed a job (our “government”) then they’ve sold us a bill of goods on their ability AND THEY’VE HELD US BACK FROM FIXING THEM, and they need to get the hell back out of the way or they will be dealt with in-kind. The 2nd Amendment demands PARITY of arms with our government. How else could our Founders / Framers expect us to be able to chuck our government and install new guards for our security as stated no less than 2… Read more »

    ChiptheBarber
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    ChiptheBarber

    Please folks go back and RE-read and COMPREHEND this article. Don’t let your emotion block out facts—crap that’s what the left does! The author is 100% correct. If they’re dividing us over the organization that is our ONLY chance, then we have no chance. If y’all are determined to cut off our collective nose to spite our face, then just packem up and sendem in, they’ve already won. And maybe we can elect Hillary to the new post of Empress while we’re at it.

    Buddy
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    Buddy

    The NRA came to my state, working with politicians to pass laws that were not good for us. When bills came up that would have given the people more freedom, the NRA walked out of the room.

    warhorse
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    warhorse

    in NH we had constitutional carry. as a “done deal”. ready to go to the governor’s desk and he was set to sign it. then the NRA got involved. apparently the cops didn’t like taking the power to grant licenses away, and since the police trainers are all NRA members, they pulled it.

    we still got it eventually. years later. but if the NRA had principles they would have told the cops to pound sand.

    DJ
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    DJ

    Negotiating Rights Away (NRA)

    Paul Montpetit
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    Paul Montpetit

    Where was the NRA, when we had a candidate with an “A” rating from the NRA running for Governor of NY….? They didn’t promote Him Nor have any ads or other means of showing support for Him…..When King Andy shoved His unSAFE ACT BS down our throats and we the people went to protest in Albany….where was the NRA in our battles…? Cuomo is bashing the Hell out of the NRA even telling banks and financial institutions to “Don’t do business with the NRA or NY won’t do business with you”..and the NRA’s response….? a dismal weak effort to make… Read more »

    J.T.
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    J.T.

    ” But…be a member of the NRA, and be active. Vote. Let the board and the staff know where you stand on issues.”

    I would have, but half the years I was a member eligible to vote, I wasn’t mailed a ballot. Just shy of a year ago, after having not revived a ballot, and after the traitor Oliver North (who should have never been allowed on the board to begin with) was announced as the new NRA President, I let my membership expire.

    jimm bob
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    jimm bob

    why are you calling Col. North a traitor?

    jimm bob
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    jimm bob

    why is Col. North a traitor?

    Stuart L Mitchell
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    Stuart L Mitchell

    All Israel First Neo-Cons are traitors.

    Lou
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    Lou

    Not trying to be smart here,…… I will start respecting the N.R.A. Board when it fires (is able to fire) Mr. Lapierre. Want someone to run the N.RA.? I’ll be happy to do it for $500,000 a year, and let’s put the Million saved back into bringing down the current organization deficit. I’ll be the first to admit that the complexity of preventing the diminution of the 2ed Amendment is far beyond the understanding of the General Membership. This said, we have not only not gained ground on the issue, we steadily are loosing ground. Clearly many mistakes have been… Read more »

    GRA
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    GRA

    I dont really give a shit about what the excuses, fuck-ups by who, pet peeves by who, etc., are. I dont give a shit about any useless “RA RA RA” pep talks. The NRA ran it’s stupid fucking mouth and this motivated New Yorker TRUMP to give -in to some stupid damned demands. Our LEO(s) won’t even tell us what happened in Vegas yet we can almost solve the crime ourselves by going to funky YouTube and by that know FOR SURE that bump stocks were of minor, if any, significance of use in the Vegas shooting. Now FIRST BITCH… Read more »

    Leadbellywolf
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    Leadbellywolf

    This is the 3rd or 4th article on ammoland TODAY attempting to shame and brow beat gun owners into supporting the NRA and stating that the problem lies with us. Well I have considered your arguments and have decided after careful deliberation to say: SCREW YOURSELF. The NRA has turned it’s back on its members and this +20yr member has had enough. My time and money will no longer fund the fearmongering cooler, bag, cheap hat and knife pimps. Furthermore, I damn sure won’t be browbeaten by their board members and bitch boys. Good luck to you Patriots, I truly… Read more »

    JB Karns
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    JB Karns

    As a long time NRA Life Member who would never have even joined as a yearly member if I had known the duplicitous gun controlling history of the NRA; I simply say, go pound copious amounts of extra coarse sand vigorously and directly up your ass. The Quisling NRA…’The Official Govt Approved Gun Privileges Organization’, slow selling govt gun control to the ignorant for longer than any of us has drawn breath. Fact. Period. Full stop. For the NRA fan boys and sycophants, do some research for f*ck sake. The NRA will not ‘change’, this is who and what they… Read more »

    PMinFl
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    PMinFl

    I can only speak for myself, but I see a lot of problems both now and in the future for our gun rights. I am a relatively new firearms owner, but I was using them before a lot of you were born. Most of my life didn’t include guns, I didn’t even think about them until recently. When I did decide to learn about firearms I went to the NRA for info because like most non gun owners I had NEVER EVEN HEARD OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS GROUPS!!!!! America hears about the NRA but never GOA SAF and ALL of… Read more »

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    PMinFL: I am intrigued by your use of the word “feel” as opposed to perhaps: think, believe, or any number of other words. Perhaps that is because “feelings” have so little to do with my dealing with the real world. YMMV.

    m.
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    m.

    feel is what you do with your wife if you have one, a**hole

    PMinFl
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    PMinFl

    Roy D.
    I used the word feel to convey the idea that I haven’t proof of the reasoning behind such regulation. I also ( as some might expect) see bump stock TOYS as something sacrificial with little real world value. My main theme may have been poorly expressed but remains with all of it’s faults the NRA is still the big dog ,recognized by more people and as such still holds the public spotlight. I think our best course at this time is to support the NRA.

    Shawn F.
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    Shawn F.

    ‘I also (as some might expect) see bump stock TOYS as something sacrificial with little real world value.’ Its this type of mentality that allows our GOD given right to be frittered away. ‘I don’t see any need for suppressor’s’, or ‘Why would you need a SBR’, or ‘Why do you need 30 round magazines.’ Why do we have clauses in the Constitution to try and stop an overpowering central government? Why do we have statements for freedoms such as speech, religion, jury trials, warrants, etc? Which one is sacrificial enough to ‘allow’ the government to let us have the… Read more »

    Brian Cuprisin
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    Brian Cuprisin

    Two words: Philando Castile.

    GAM
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    GAM

    This is a well written and thoughtful piece. I agree with the author’s conclusions that we are in a crappy position and have to deal with reality and make the best of the situation. I am an NRA member, and also belong to SAF and Buckeye Firearms Association (our state group). These organizations work together and support each other. That is how things get done! I appreciate GOA, NPC and others, but fail to see how much of an impact they really make. It could just be my ignorance…but maybe not. I prefer to dance with the one I came… Read more »

    Thomas m.
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    Thomas m.

    NRA divided us by throwing Bumpstock Owners to the wolves.

    Thomas M.
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    Thomas M.

    Except that is not how it works. The NRA always has THEIR AGENDA and will screw other organizations if they can not take credit for it or do not want it dealt with.

    Shane Steinkamp
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    Shane Steinkamp

    NRA is an organization that no longer plays to win because they make more money and hold more power when they can keep the membership afraid.

    This article is just more of the same.

    This is NOT the NRA I grew up with.

    I will keep sending my money to GOA and SAF, thanks.

    Russ
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    Russ

    Where was the NRA when National Reciprocity was all ready to go in the Senate? Where was the NRA when the HPA had a Republican Congress and President? Why doesn’t the NRA keep the cheap bags and knives when I renew, and instead get some results? The NRA needs to get out and educate people, take the offensive on what freedom means, instead of getting mired down by attacks against the organization itself. Remember the old commercials about “Where was the NRA?” and they said to all the non-members “Where were you?” Well, we gun owners and members have been… Read more »

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    National Reciprocity was NOT all ready to go in the Senate! Nothing was! Why is it so complicated for gun owners to stop listening to propaganda and to actually understand the facts? H.R. 38 passed the House, but it requited 60 votes in the Senate to end the debate on the bill. It was a guaranteed NO GO, hence not to brought to the floor.

    PatriotLifeMember
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    PatriotLifeMember

    You realize that you can opt to not receive the “cheap bag and knives” as well as the free magazine, right? The magazine alone is a $3.75 deduction from annual dues.

    Rev Andrew
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    Rev Andrew

    A well reasoned article. I am as pro gun as anyone yet I feel that the NRA has become more of a cheering section of the Republican Party than a formidable pro gun group. Let’s look back to 1993 New Jersey. Gov. Florio was defeated twice, once in the midterms and again for re-election. As soon as the election of Christie Whitman was announced, NRA fired our state lobbyist. Gov Whitman knew her victory was engineered by the NRA and the Coalition of NJ Sportsmen. She ignored this and did nothing to help gun owners in NJ or reverse any… Read more »

    CARL BRADLEY
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    CARL BRADLEY

    Without the NRA, we would already be like Europe. They are currently the only effective organization fighting for our rights in the DC swamp—having said that, I am not only an NRA member, but also a member of four other Second Amendment organizations and Judician Watch. Please support them.

    Easy
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    Easy

    Carl, you are correct about the NRA
    But you will always have some out there that will bash them if they do not get a front row seat invitation to everything the HRA does.
    The NRA has stopped a lot of democRAT crap that has been coming down the pike so to speak.

    Albert Davies
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    Albert Davies

    This whole conversation and the article itself are about things that we as NRA members have argued and fought over for decades. I have been a member for 65 years. I have supported the NRA my entire life, and have been an instructor, RSO, a competitor, BOD of my gun club, ran Highpower matches, lobbied for state CCW, donated hundreds of hours at gun shows supporting NRA, and a whole life of much more. I had a wake up call in June of 2017 that has changed my life 180 degrees. The story is to long to tell here but… Read more »

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    I have news for you Albert, that is what defense attorneys are for; you should have called one. And stop being such a tease.

    Proctor
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    Proctor

    I have news for you, Roy: legal defense is exactly what the USCCA claims to offer in their advertising.

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    I scanned over the USCCA material and according to Albert’s statement about that which he was accused, as parse as it was, it doesn’t appear that they owed him anything. I prefer to know the law and stay within it’s confines to avoid legal troubles. If I stray then that’s on me.

    Lord-Pi-314
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    Lord-Pi-314

    Unless you have some inside information on this mans case, you sound like some sort of shill. Just exactly what is your dog in that mans fight ? From what he says, it sounds plausible, since there are crooked lying cops who get their jollies destroying other people’s lives, especially if “someone” pays them to do so. Did I ever tell you the story my Pappy told me when I was real young about why they make police officers wear uniforms ? Any one of you could get the same knock on the door and you will soon find out… Read more »

    SouthAl
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    I’m done with being the NRA’s Charlie Brown football kicking fool. Lots of good, well articulated arguments have been presented here, and in the past. I know these same arguments have been articulated to the NRA. They have not listened. So, I’ll try phrasing it another way. The NRA has a “mission dysphoria” issue. It either does not know it’s mission, does not communicate its mission, or has too many missions. Try to find their mission statement and then try to find the SAF’s mission statement. According to Duane, the NRA’s mission is to slow the erosion of 2A rights.… Read more »

    grifhunter
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    Mr. Liptak, excellent essay.
    I’m convinced the crybabies who won’t support the NRA arn’t doing it out of any strategy, other than their pathetic and obvious cheapness and willingness to let others carry the financial burden of our civil rights war for them.

    Duane Liptak
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    Just to clarify, I didn’t choose that picture or the title. This was originally just a post on my personal FB feed, and is not an official statement from Magpul or the NRA. I understand what Ammoland was getting at with those, but personally, I really just want to stop the divide in this community as best we can as we have plenty of enemies already on the outside. That was the intent of this narrative. I support the NRA, and I donate my time there to try to help positive change. I support FPC. I’ve been a member of… Read more »

    Shane Steinkamp
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    Shane Steinkamp

    Well if your best shot at people with legitimate grievances with the NRA is to call them haters and crybabies, I don’t think you’re going to win too many people over. One of your primary arguments is, “The NRA is the only group with politicians in our pockets.” Seriously? NRA is an organization that no longer plays to win because they make more money and hold more power when they can keep the membership afraid. Your article is more of the same SKY IS FALLING! fund-raising. This is not the NRA I grew up with. I don’t think it ever… Read more »

    Duane Liptak
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    Duane Liptak

    I didn’t call them haters and crybabies. That’s why I made the above comment. That inflammatory language and the photo are not mine. The title, photos, and emphasis were by Ammoland.

    SouthAl
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    SouthAl

    Then perhaps you should have requested Ammoland to make some changes when it was first posted. Maybe it will result in a net gain for the NRA and Magpul. But it certainly further cemented my concerns with the NRA, and no more Magpul for me.

    If you did so, that says a lot about Ammoland.

    Greg K
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    Greg K

    They are telling you right here; “Not one more step back.” As I read the comments it’s about 15-1…question is, “Are you listening?”

    Consider this: New Jersey and Boulder are clearly putting their butts on the line, and it sounds like the retailers are doing the same here in Eastern Washington. The winds of change are shifting and people are collectively saying “not one more step back.” Are you listening?

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    What does every expert advise a person in an abusive relationship to do? That’s right: leave.

    Greg K
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    Greg K

    Ah Ha! I have likened the Progressive Agenda to the Abusive relationship. In fact, it takes the form of the “Narcissistic Parent/ Child Relationship.” Search it, it’s worth your time.

    KH
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    KH

    As a multiply licensed mental health & substance abuse therapist, I’m disheartened & angered by the “red flag” bandwagon. A red herring that will absolutely sell 2A supporters down the river! Ignorance is not bliss.

    BillyM
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    BillyM

    thank you Duane Liptak Jr. Great article. Many millions of Americans support you and the NRA. I just renewed my membership.

    Nanashi
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    Nanashi

    The burn means it’s working! The NRA has refused to acknowledge our existence until now. They haven’t actually made any concessions mind you, but they’ve acknowledged us. That means we’re having an effect.

    Keep the heat on and maybe they’ll learn.
    If not we’ll just watch as they burn.

    CryBaby
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    CryBaby

    If and when Alphabet Agencies or the Gov’t has or intend to enforce a ban. Does the NRA say obey and/or turnover your property or fight literally and figuratively to keep your arms. The NRA is preventing and impeding that which no one wants but knows is inevitable. The “2A” represents not just firearms but freedom and they are both indelibly linked. Something which cannot ever be separated by a free people and that of their descendants. We ALL here understand that when the “2A” has been eroded, so has a living piece of our body, when those freedoms have… Read more »

    HuntingtonGuy
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    HuntingtonGuy

    NRA is many things, some of them good, others, not so much. I think the thing that most bothers me at this point is their arrogance. I’ve been a member for well over 40 years, I’m a Benefactor LM, multi discipline NRA Instructor, RSO, bla-bla-bla. Like so many of you I donate, Advocate locally, participate in programs, promote the shooting sports and spend a good amount of cash doing all of those. I am also behind enemy lines here in New Yorkistan. When NRA leadership routinely ignores our need for on the ground, organizational, political and legal support yet draws… Read more »

    Diamondback
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    Diamondback

    The legislators are CRIMINALS! They’re USURPING POWERS NOT ENUMERATED. NRA continues to COMPROMISE. Not only NO MORE COMPROMISES but START FIGHTING TO GET BACK WHAT YOU NEGOTIATED AWAY. Nope! I’m done with the NRA! Don’t give a shit if they’re the ONLY whatever, they’re totally ineffective. Put up with their BS my enitre life and look where we’re at. F them! jmho

    Dave C
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    Dave C

    I am confused. I don’t like much of the direction the NRA has gone, but I have to wonder – Exactly what in hell do you complainers plan to do by yourselves when all of our rights are stripped away? We may eventually loose a lot of our rights anyway, but at least the NRA will be somewhat effective at slowing the process. Does anyone remember when Dems said they ONLY wanted to make separate smoking sections on airplanes…… How about the fact you are paying high dollars for those five mile an hour front bumpers that now can’t survive… Read more »

    John
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    John

    What don’t you get? We’re already on our own. The NRA isn’t on our side. They simple sell our rights away under the guise of advocacy. Once they’ve all been sold, do you think Duane, or Marion or Wayne are going to be on that hill with you? I hope not.

    Thaddeus Carpenter
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    Thaddeus Carpenter

    We already have a due process version of Red Flag Laws, its called, innocent until proven guilty. You wait for a person to break the law, before you declare them in violation of the law and strip them of their rights. You don’t get to end-run rights simply because you are afraid, because you “think” someone is dangerous, they have to prove themselves dangerous, first. There is no way to legally endorse a law that takes your weapons from you before you commit a crime, if you think someone is a danger then you report them to the police and… Read more »