Universal Background Checks don’t work, so why do they want more?

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U.S.A. (Ammoland.com)- I’ve made mistakes before and I’ll probably make some again. That is why it’s important to be aware and skeptical as we try new ideas. There is a time for persistence and a time to ask if you’re headed in the right direction. All that came to mind as I read about the US House of Representatives proposing universal background checks for firearms owners. These background checks have failed too many times to try them again.

The fundamental failure of a background check is that it looks backward. Mass murder is not a long-term career path. Background checks do nothing to stop a first-time mass murderer. Here are the most recent examples.

2018

  • The mass murderer who killed 12 people at a country western bar in Thousand Oaks, California passed his background checks..several times.
  • The mass murderer who killed 11 people in a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania synagogue passed his background checks for each weapon he owned.
  • The mass murderer who killed four people in an Annapolis, Maryland newspaper office purchased his firearms legally and passed his background checks.
  • The student who killed 10 people in his El Paso, Texas high school stole his guns. He took the legally owned guns from his father without permission, so background check laws would not have stopped this murder.
  • The schizophrenic who murdered 4 people at a Waffle House restaurant in Nashville, Tennessee was disarmed after he made threats. In a federal lawsuit, the murderer’s father said he was never told that his son was a prohibited person and not allowed to have guns.
  • The murderer at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida passed his background checks even though he had many psychological counseling sessions and had been reported to the school, to local police, and to the FBI.

2017

  • The murderer at the church in Sutherland Springs, Texas killed 27 people after passing his background checks. He should have been barred from getting a gun since he was treated for mental illness, convicted of domestic violence, and dishonorably discharged from the US Air Force. The Air Force never submitted his criminal records to the national background check system.
  • The murderer at the Mandalay Bay Casino in Las Vegas killed 59 people after buying his firearms legally and passing a background check for each gun he used.

I could go on for hundreds of examples but I fear you wouldn’t read them. If this is what background checks do for us, then we should run from them rather than embrace more of the same. It is clear that background checks don’t stop mass murders.

Do mandatory background checks reduce other violent crimes? No other state does gun-control as much and as hard as California. California is rated the first in the nation for gun-control. Background check requirements were imposed in California three decades ago and should have worked there if they would work anywhere.

Sociologists and criminologists published a report in the Annals of Epidemiology where they compared California to other states which hadn’t mandated background checks. Neither mandatory background checks nor firearms prohibition for misdemeanor crimes reduced gun homicide or suicide in California. In fact, the California homicide rate rose by 16 percent from 2014 to 2016. California gun-control doesn’t work.

Why do politicians propose failed ideas over and over again?

For the politician, background checks don’t have to make our streets safer. All they have to do is sound good on TV. Most of us don’t do our homework. We buy our ideas the same way we buy knives on the shopping channel at 2 in the morning. We buy gun-control because it sounds good and is sold with enthusiasm.

Mass murderers and other criminals don’t follow our gun laws. Stop pretending they do because our gullibility is getting us killed. Here is the downside to gun-control and background checks.

Licensed concealed carry holders are among the most law-abiding and non-violent groups of people on the planet. Law abiding citizens use legally owned firearms for self-defense thousands of times a day. Disarming even a few honest gun owners us will leave more of us as disarmed victims of criminal violence. The cost of that will be measured in lives lost.

There are no exemptions in our gun laws for need. There is no exemption for the young woman who has a stalker and suddenly needs a gun for protection. There is no exemption for the sexual assault victim who now wants a firearm to feel secure when she is home alone. It is illegal to give these innocent and honest people a tool for self-defense until the state approves. The victim’s needs come second after the state has its mandatory background checks..and its fees.

The time to stop and turn around is when you realize you’ve made a mistake. Universal background checks sound good but cost lives.


Slow Facts

About Rob Morse

The original article is here.  Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob is an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

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    IMOA the anti-gunners pushing for Universal Background Checks want to be able to find the law abiding citizen that bought the weapon because now they’ll have an address on where to confiscate the gun. In their mind UBC’s should be expanded to include all ammo, magazines or gun parts to ensure public safety that’ll only expose gun owners that haven’t bought firearms through a dealer. IMOA UBC’s are a gun control scheme plain and simple.

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    I concur! Even the suggestion that UBC or the NICS/Fix-NICS is a justification for finding and/or preventing illegals from purchasing weapons is totally preposterous. It does not stop any of the current felonious legal citizens from obtaining or selling weapons illegally.

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    One good thing that was accomplished recently because of background checks was that Seven point Eight (7.8) Million ILLEGAL ALIENS were denied gun purchases last year (2018) because of background checks. I, myself, do not like background checks, because of the fact that it creates a database that eventually will be abused, but when I read an article yesterday about the 7.8 million purchases turned down because the proposed buyers were not US citizens, I was very happen. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights does not apply to illegal aliens, and because they are here illegally, they have committed a… Read more »

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    @RotaryConnected: I would not necessarily called that a good thing. 1. The millions of illegals should not have been here in the first place. 2. They already have a black market to go to. 3. Just because they are illegal does not necessarily mean they do not have the right to protect themselves. Even with such purchases being illegal. (No I am not saying illegals should have the right to purchase firearms) 4. The NICS system findings DO NOT justify the use of background checks. There are other means of finding out a person’s citizenship/immigration status without trying too glorify… Read more »

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    @Roto-…What makes you think they aren’t already set up . They have their sources for every thing else. And they are comming from a culture that is well versed in skirting the law .

    Lord-Pi-314
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    While they are here, the situation can only get worse. If even 1% of them decide to organize and attack the people, with their black market weapons, there will be war on the streets. It is said that 90 to 95% are military aged men, so we can expect more than 1% will organize eventually. For some reason, I don’t see a very peaceful future here. Especially with the revelations that these recent caravans were engineered to eventually cause strife in America. And now another caravan of 15,000 is said to be forming.

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    Re-check your data, it’s incorrect. The records on illegal/unlawful aliens is in NICS, data indicates 23,566 tried to buy guns not 7 million. 9. Illegal/Unlawful Alien: 23,566 The NICS Indices hold more records on illegal/unlawful aliens than any other type of prohibited purchaser — more than 7 million. But few unlawful immigrants try to buy guns from licensed dealers and wind up raising flags, especially compared to would-be buyers with criminal pasts. You don’t need to be an American citizen to pass a gun background check. The FBI allows sales to foreigners who are legally in the country, so long… Read more »

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    @Rev: I have to hand it to you for your patience with that creature ‘the green rat fink’. If an adult cannot locate, read and comprehend objective materials. Then they are a lost cause. The finks thinking shows that it is not able to see anything that is not subjective. Just like all REDS. It’s their way or no way at all. It does not matter who suffers or what is lost. That is the real problem in America. Most born after 1970 do not know of the freedoms that they were granted and have lost due lack of due… Read more »

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    @Nottinghill I know what he is and why he is here, and that is why I’m not replying to him for his sake. We know he is a ban proponent, as well as several other infringements that make up his wishlist, and the fact that he continues to try and push disproven ideas is proof he will not change. Think of it this way, I’m writing to GWD not for his sake, but instead for the young or inexperienced person who may or may not have ever fired a gun before. Think of them coming here, and the first thing… Read more »

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    @ The Revelator; Good conversations without TGWD he must be slipping or he can’t figure out a non verifiable lie to publish!!!!!!!!

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    @Willy D

    Naaahhh…. It’s not that he can’t find them, its that he is becoming emotionally unhinged from failing each of those conversations, and he expects most of us to be less intelligent. Big mistake.

    Although, he may be in a little dark room crying right now. My last reply to him on “Safe Storage Laws” was statistic heavy, and I once again asked the “question” that he in no way wants to answer. That reply was made on Thursday, and visible since Friday night.

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    Well, Only a matter of Time before Green Watch Dog gets here. I laid a lot of this out in a much shorter version to him when he started pushing his Gun Control thoughts here. He never responded to the actual listing of failed Gun Control Ideas that are constantly brought up to increase “safety” but never actually do anything to stop crime, only hurting law abiding owners’ freedom. Long story short, there is no such thing as a background check on a stolen firearm, and when you are the victim and don’t realize it right away(Or perhaps you are… Read more »

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    The School shooting in Texas happened in Santa Fe Texas, not El Paso. For all of 2013 EPT had 23 murders which is the worst in 2 decades. Guns are readily available. Compare with other burgs with stricter gun laws (state and local) 23 is low. Remember this is all murders guns, fists, knives, trucks, etc. Gun control is not the answer,

    Paul Borst
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    I printed out and read the DOJ report you refer to. While you are right it shows background check are pretty useless you missed the bigger point! Only 7% of the guns used in violent crime were purchased legally. That means the strictest gun laws imaginable can only affect 7% of the violent crimes! In other words gun control does not work! I would think that solving the 93% problem is more important and deserves more effort than solving the 7% problem.

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    Universal Background Checks DO work! As Dems intended! It is NOT about preventing any crime……DUH! It is about making things harder for legal gun owners, costing more for legal gun owners, creating lists of legal gun owners, lists for future confiscation from legal gun owners. It works EXACTLY as intended by liberals.

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    As with most folks, Robert is pointing out that background checks don’t stop criminals from getting guns. That’s clearly true, but it’s missing the point. In fact, background checks, the more the better, DO work, and work pretty well – for their intended purpose. Where we miss the boat is listening to the false rhetoric about their purpose. The people who propose them are not idiots (although they ARE enemies). They KNOW background checks don’t stop criminals. Everyone knows criminals will circumvent them. That’s not their purpose. If it were, we’d have ditched them decades ago. They are intended to… Read more »

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    the DATA IS COLLECTED AND KEPT BY… the EU controlled UN. Why do we as US citizens need to have our lives controlled by a Foreign agency? These Groups, the EU and the UN are the same groups forcing the BORDER LESS WORLD… Forced multiculturalism, the same garbage, we see on our southern border. these groups are destroying nations all over the world. they have their own constitution,The Universal Background Check is Registration, Data Collection for Confiscation. No one votes for anyone in the EU. just LOOK HOW THEY HAVE RUINED the UK, FRANCE and Germany to name a few.… Read more »

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    rich z

    GERMANY IN THE 1930’s

    Gdubb
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    Gdubb

    The socialist/communist a-holes will never stop with their push for infringements. This is a fact. It is true their idea of imposing more regulations upon the law abiding, such as bgc’s, will not result in less gun violence. How do we stop them from continuing their push against us? We need real solutions to this problem, not just bitching about it. We all know these laws do nothing but make it harder for the law abiding. However, I believe we will need to submit our own plan that will actually reduce mass shootings in order to ultimately save our 2A.… Read more »

    Don Harris
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    Don Harris

    LAWS? No one every runs stop signs , red lights are goes faster then the posted speed limit.
    There fore more gun laws will not fix anything.Just as speed traps will not stop speeders.

    Mott
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    Mott

    All they want to know is WHO has a gun, So they can come and TAKE it. Nope not mine!

    Bob Koceja
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    Bob Koceja

    It’s all a three step process.
    Registration=Information= Confiscation

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    I agree with the author. UBC sounds good so people who react on emotion rather than logic think they are a good thing. They will never do any research into the effectiveness of the check, they simply believe what some politician or MSM outlet tells them. Sad state of ignorance among the general public.

    David W
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    David W

    In the end all gun laws are unconstitutional, and clearly if you go back through the history of gun laws you will see that none of them work to do anything other than stop or hold up lawful gun owners, and we don’t break the law. Dumbocrat law makers will never see that at all because they aren’t trying to do anything other than disarm the law abiding, its about control for them, it isn’t about decreasing crime, they apparently want all of us defenseless against criminals.

    Robert J. Lucas
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    Robert J. Lucas

    They are the criminals and infear of us…

    Robert J. Lucas
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    Robert J. Lucas

    Socialism>Communism>Gun Control=Disarmament=Extermination… The Impoverished Deadly Agenda…As history has proven…. “Seemingly Utopian pacifists are free to profess their love of a weapon-free world, but they must start by disarming the evil, criminal and tyrannical. Disarming the public is a vent for their twisted fear and hatred, a grotesque affront to freedom, and unacceptable. Disarming an innocent person is an act of violence.” “Guns save lives. Guns stop crime. Guns are why America is still free.” Anti-constitutionalism sense of morality is situational, based on incident and emotion, instead of rooted in God’s word and law. Anti-constitutionalism stands for nothing. The Anti-Constitutionalists’ situation… Read more »

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    m.

    ubc = dhimmi-crat means of registering the law-abiding. mirrors the path of the national-socialist-worker party idol adolph h. worked very well against the Jews of europe, in case any jamf punks are interested.

    Greg K
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    Greg K

    Seems pretty simple; If someone is being denied a sale via background check, they are being infringed upon. Clearly Unconstitutional!