Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It’s OK to Shoot

Bob Irwin highlights the latest self-defense and other shootings of the week. Read them and see what went wrong, what went right and what we can learn from self-defense with a gun.

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Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's OK to Shoot; File Photo

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- KOCO TV-5 (ABC) reported back in 2012 a young Oklahoma mother shot and killed an intruder to protect her 3-month-old baby on New Year's Eve, less than a week after the baby's father died of cancer.

The young mother said a week earlier a 24-year-old male subject dropped by on the day of her husband's funeral, claiming that he was a neighbor who wanted to say hello. The 18-year-old mother did not let him into her home.

On New Year's Eve he returned with a second man and this time was armed with a 12-inch hunting knife.

As one of the men was going from door to door outside her home trying to gain entry. The woman called 911 and grabbed her 12-gauge shotgun.

She told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a pistol, put a bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.

The young mother asked the 911 dispatcher “I've got two guns in my hand, is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?”

The 911 dispatcher confirmed with the mom that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.

“I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby,” the dispatcher told her. The woman was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.

When the first male kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.

“You're allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force,” Detective Dan Huff of the Blanchard Police said.

The second home invader turned himself in to police shortly thereafter.

“I wouldn't have done it, but it was my son,” the woman told media. “It's not an easy decision to make, but it was either going to be him or my son. And it wasn't going to be my son. There's nothing more dangerous than a woman with a child.”

Comments:

Fine job, a perfect use of a self-defense firearm. One can only imagine the horrible outcome had this young mother not been armed.

It is not unusual for victims to ask the 911 operator for permission to shoot. We have to encourage self-defense gun owners to get some training and practice, practice, practice.

And while we are here, don’t give interviews to any media ever!

Bob Irwin
Bob Irwin

Bob Irwin, Las Vegas

About Bob Irwin

Bob is retired after 30 years of ownership of The Gun Store & Indoor Range in Las Vegas. He continues his 2A issues show “Fired Up with Bob Irwin” on YouTube and on KLEY 1230 AM, The Nevada Talk Network on Saturdays.

As a firearm instructor of Concealed Firearm Applicants, Armed Security Officer and Law Enforcement Academies over his career, Bob appears frequently as an expert witness for firearm & use of force cases in Federal, State, and local courts.

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    Mike
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    Mike

    Why, is this story being spun like the woman and 911 operator were in the wrong, when they were not. Sounds to me like a bunch of socialism whores trying to start their brand of anti-gun liberty rape. Any time, a stranger makes it to your bed room door and kicks it in, justification was signed and sealed back at the front doors threshold. It’s sad that America’s gun control laws criminalize citizens instead of the actual criminals. It’s sad that American citizens, are being ruled by the wealthy retarded within a criminalizing government sucking on Liberty’s tits, bought and… Read more »

    Don
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    Don

    Don’t wait until you’re on the phone with the 911 operator to ask about the law. It’s not likely the operator knows much about castle doctrine or justifiable homicide statutes.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Don, Yeah, like Hal Moore used to say, “Be ready, so that you don’t have to get ready.”

    G Joseph
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    G Joseph

    Nothing says they havevto have something in their hands… all that is necissary is the presumption of bodily harm or death…

    Robert Sisler
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    Robert Sisler

    If anyone brakes into my home, I’d blow his or her Head off. 21 years in the Army Rangers i don’t Miss.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Robert S, Thank you for your service. My first two shots are 12 ga. rubber pellets. Less mess and not as hard on the interior woodwork.

    jc
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    jc

    Wild Bill, I have considered loading as you do, but I have 2 concerns: 1) Multiple intruders and; 2) Would the intruder have his attention sufficiently gotten to not return more equipped…(It probably is a moot point anyway as I other strategically located firearms other than the shotgun.)

    Judy Arthur
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    Judy Arthur

    Good for her. I had an incident years ago. Home on maternity leave with my first. Hubby worked 2nd shift. Lived in the country. In bed, heard someone come around the back of the house. I got up and grabbed the double barrel and pistol. Let them come up the back steps, to the back door, jiggling the back door handle, went silent for a minute, then I cocked that double barrel, never heard someone leave so fast. I have no doubt in my mind, that I would of shot that person coming in if they would have. Mother bear… Read more »

    James simonson
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    James simonson

    Amen to that statement , good for you

    Judy Fleak
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    Judy Fleak

    Yes a momma is the worst to come up against

    Jerry Brown
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    Jerry Brown

    I am very Familiar with The Gun Store in Las Vegas. I too have been in this business for 25 years and Own The Gun Store in central Florida. Mr. Irwin is a class act, is sharp, and always ran a first class outfit.

    H. Spires
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    H. Spires

    I would much rather be judged by 12 of my peers than carried to my grave by 6 of my friends. Nobody comes into your home without being allowed in the door by you.

    Frank Liso
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    Frank Liso

    I live in New Jersey and if gov Murphy was being knifed to death I would be prosecuted for shooting the guy.

    Carol B Combs
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    Carol B Combs

    Prosecuted? I think you have a typo as I’m sure you meant to type awarded.

    Jeremy
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    Jeremy

    Nope, I’m pretty sure he meant prosecuted. Did you read the “New Jersey” part?

    Lord-Pi-314
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    Lord-Pi-314

    I think what he really should have said is “persecuted”. In NJ, some of them get their jollies “persecuting” those who would dare protect themselves and others. Must have something to do with the pollution rotting their brain cells.

    Joel
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    Joel

    Then you’d be convicted for having to many rounds in your clip since he lowered total capacity

    circle8
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    circle8

    Calling 911 provides the responding agency with a location to find your body before the smell of rot bothers your neighbors. Average response time in the USA is long enough to have dinner before arrival. Cities are overloaded and rural areas are to far away. Courts have held first responders are NOT OBLIGATED to protect you. Arm yourself for your own PROTECTION. Learn how to use it and if necessary DO SO.

    James F Rooth
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    James F Rooth

    I live in Texas. If you decide to enter into my home uninvited and are carrying anything that could or would be considered a deadly weapon, then according to Texas State Law, you have provided me with a defense from prosecution. That being said, if I felt it necessary to inflict serious bodily harm upon your person, I would call 911 and report a break-in and request an officer be sent to my address. I would not say I had shot and killed anyone to the 911 operator. I would then hang up from the 911 call and immediately call… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @James F Rooth, Actually you are provided with a presumption of right action at trial, which is not a complete defense from prosecution. So saying as little as possible and calling your attorney as fast as possible are quite good advice, in Texas.

    DoctorWho0077
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    DoctorWho0077

    When you are read Miranda, you say,
    “I refuse to answer questions without (my)
    (an) attourney present.
    (in case you cannot afford an attourney, you ask for one to be provided for you free of charge)
    If you are questioned, once you request an attourney, called by some, lawyering up, or invoking, you can NO LONGER be legally interrogated by the Police or any other duly constituted Law Enforcement Agency.

    Everything else is merely Gun Shop commando hot air and needs be taken with a grain of salt.

    Peter Van Keuren
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    Peter Van Keuren

    I live by myself in rural Arizona. I promise you that if anyone comes in my house uninvited, they will be shot. I’d rather be convincing a jury if need be, than be dead.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @PVK, If you live alone you must be on guard 24/7/365. If you adopt some dogs, they are on guard 24/7/365. Dogs provide the advanced warning that is necessary to a meaningful defense. Work cheap, too!

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    @ Wild Bill That is good advice to anyone and dogs hear and smell better than we do. They work cheap until it is time to take them to the vet.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Tcat, And dogs fearlessly add to the defense. A man/dog team is nearly unbeatable if they work together. Dog goes low. Man goes high. Perp has a no win choice. Man is the weak link in the team.
    The people of Texas have been very generous in sharing their unwanted dogs with me. But they keep driving away before I can thank then. Not one of those randomly acquired security staff members have been a disappointment.

    Tim
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    Tim

    Damn shame we even have to have this conversation. Should be a universal law. If you enter someones home, un-invited, you deserve what you get.

    Deplorable Bill
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    Deplorable Bill

    Someone breaking into your home and displaying a large knife? I would guess that he is not there trying to collect for the red cross. She had every right to shoot him. I would have done the same and I have done the same. I am reticent to force someone into taking the room temp. challenge but I am not going to let them harm my wife and kids or me either. Don’t get me wrong. Sending someone to meet the LORD face to face, while they are doing the inexcusable, is not something to take lightly. Hell is forever.… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    Can’t remember the “address” but I remember somewhere back in the Old Testament is the clear instruction that if you, the head of house, are home at night with your family, house closed up, and some unknown or unauthorised person enters your home ininvited, you “may strike him that he die, and there shall be no bloodguilt upon you”.

    Pretty clear that in God’s eyes, breaking and entering is immediately punishable by death.

    Glad the civil law of most places here in the US agree.

    Matt in Oklahoma
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    Matt in Oklahoma

    How do yall live in places that don’t allow you to defend yourself!?! Really this is what you want for your loved ones? It’s not like your our looking for trouble and want to. Pure silliness
    I know this story well as many of us do. She did the right thing and we are all glad she did. Society will miss nothing from these thugs not being around.

    Core
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    Core

    Sad. God knows what would have happened if she had not killed one of them. They were after her for sure: two men armed making forced entry. Sge would have been raped and murdered, and they may have murdered her baby. Sick bastards deserved to die for that. Case closed. Take the other guy to the firing squad.

    Wallace Curry
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    Wallace Curry

    In Marxachussettes you are REQUIRED to make all attempts to flee from a home invasion. If you are in a locked room, have not made every attempt to flee by window or other exit, and an intruder kicks in your door; then use of deadly force will result in your arrest and trial for murder.
    No coincidence. This place is run by Dimocraps.

    Peter Van Keuren
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    Peter Van Keuren

    I feel sorry for anyone who lives in Massachusetts or any other state with similar laws, although I DO believe that “stand your ground” laws should ONLY apply inside one’s house. I do NOT believe they should apply anywhere in public unless there is a clear and present LETHAL threat, meaning a threat with a weapon.

    Jack Mac
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    Jack Mac

    Van Keuren, permit me to advise that there are people capable of killing people with their bare hands with or without use of bare feet and head. Furthermore, these same people may be capable of out running their victim. Any person physically attacking another can be presenting a clear lethal threat. There is no difference in settings.

    Just saying that people should consider reality before imposing laws on others.

    John
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    John

    I’m an older, disabled man. I can’t run, even if I wanted to so, which I don’t. I moved my family from Commiefornia to Tennessee after an intruder broke into my home, I shot him, and they tried to prosecute ME. The charges were dropped, but that was the last straw.
    I can and do carry my firearm openly in this state, which is exactly how our founders intended.

    Mark Keith
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    Mark Keith

    I am in your shoes. I am disabled and walk with a cane. I was born and raised in this Beautiful state. I carry every time I leave the House. I keep a gun within reach in my Home at all times. My Wife is also proficient with a gun. She wouldn’t hesitate to shoot an intruder. Neither would I. I wouldn’t want to do it, my life is worth more to me. Welcome to Tennessee.

    Bababooey
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    Bababooey

    Law or no law, you’re a fool if you don’t do what you need to do to protect yourself and your property. If things go badly, you could be a dead fool…

    John
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    John

    Sign on my front door reads if you enter after hours uninvited bring your own body bag.

    Joe
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    Joe

    Now why would a socialist jury convict? It’s just recycling a bunch of cells, and or a retroactive extreme late term abortion…
    They are all for these, aren’t they?

    retmsgt
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    retmsgt

    “There must still be a reasonable threat present for deadly force to be used legally.”
    An uninvited person kicking in your door is clearly a threat, knife in hand or not.
    Different states have different laws governing the use of deadly force, but in this case the victim could retreat no further.

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    He didn’t say anything about someone kicking in your door now did he? Words have meanings and the law in based on what those meanings are. But you go ahead and do you, just don’t mislead others.

    mrc
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    mrc

    maybe you missed this from the story Roy,
    “When the first male kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.”

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    mrc, maybe you missed my post from which retmsgt quoted me. I was and am talking about the statement of the Blanchard Detective not what occurred in this particular story. Try to keep up.

    Get Out
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    Get Out

    That must have been a long 21 minutes waiting for someone to help.

    Dan in Detroit
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    Dan in Detroit

    It’s actually not that long, relatively speaking.
    Do some digging and you’ll find that this is not out of the ordinary especially considering that the police don’t need to come help you if they don’t feel like it…

    John
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    John

    My daughter and I were assaulted while on a bike ride in the middle of no where. I was on the phone with 911 while they were getting out of the truck and approaching me. I gave the license plate number, descriptions of the assailants, and at that point the 911 operator told me she needed to hang up, and that she had a “higher priority call”. Someone will call you back she said. I praise God, because two men stopped to help us. I’LL NEVER BE WITHOUT MY GUN AGAIN!!! Hard lesson to learn the hard way about how… Read more »

    Dillon
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    Dillon

    Intriguing to say the least. Care to expound on the assault part of the story?

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    They were in fear for their safety due to the manner in which the events unfolded. That is one of many forms of assault.

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    THIS is a risk we take when we take off to “out there” on our bikes. We are VERY vulnerable to all menner of harm, from careless/distracted/evil motorists, to criminals bent on evil, and a bicycle is not much protection from either. I’m a life-long cyclist and cover thousands of miles a year. I had never thought about arming myself…. until, about ten years ago, I read some reports of a certain area, not far from me, and where I had ridden before, where groupls of “homeless” males would lurk at a certain place on a well travelled bike pathway… Read more »

    Conrad
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    Conrad

    We were house parents in ND some years ago and the boys set fire to the house. I called the operator from the kitchen, told her the house was burning down and I needed firemen. She told me I was in the County and needed to hang up and call the County. As with the bike ride, have your own plan and be ready to take care of yourself. It is a fair presumption to say no one else will.

    Get Out
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    Get Out

    Dialing 911 has lulled people into a false sense of security and that they’ll be saved if an intruder is intent on doing harm. Learned long ago that you must first protect yourself.

    Oldwestman
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    Oldwestman

    A man broke into our home while we were out to dinner. He came through the front door and since we don’t use that door, we didn’t notice and he had hidden the damage as well. When our daughter went upstairs to go to bed, she came back down and told us someone was asleep under her bed. We called 911 and waited more than 45 minutes for the police to arrive. The man was armed with a knife and fought the officers before he was captured and brought down and out of the house. I did not have access… Read more »

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    If “Detective Dan Huff” actually said: “You’re allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force.”, then he gave an inaccurate statement. There must still be a reasonable threat present for deadly force to be used legally. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    HMLA-167 Warrior
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    HMLA-167 Warrior

    Not in my state. You walk in to someone’s home uninvited you can immediately be shot, hit in the head with a pipe or bat, stabbed, etc and killed legally.

    Jim
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    Jim

    Roy, you are correct. A little knowledge IS a dangerous thing. Laws vary by state. Many have “castle doctrine” or “stand your ground” laws. What twelve member jury in the country would convict a mother for protecting her child?

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    Considering that this occurred in the State I live in and was a local story, my comments are meant for those that live here. But they still apply everywhere else as well. The trouble is most people are not familiar with use of force laws and many times believe what is written on the internet. Like I told retmsgt, you go ahead and handle things the way you want to because it isn’t going to be any skin off my nose.

    Randy N
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    Randy N

    Roy I live in the same state as this story as well. Oklahoma allows deadly force if someone unwanted enters your home and you “feel” threatened for yourself or anyone else in your home, and that will cover any instance of anyone forcibly entering your home whether they are armed or not. You do not have to retreat or attempt to escape.

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    That is a good summary of the law. There are some here who don’t seem to be able to recognize the difference between that and the statement the detective made. And some might think, well that’s just playing with semantics. It’s not, it is the difference between operating within the law and being outside the law. It is up each person to know the difference because ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    Chiefton
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    Chiefton

    A Socialist jury.

    Carter
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    Carter

    Better yet what idiot prosecutor would file charges on her. I’m sure I’m Wa. Turf Ferguson would if he had time in between suing President Trump.

    Conrad
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    Conrad

    you’re using my handle, find another one.

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    Even before Castle and Stand Your Ground laws, most states had laws that reinforced the fact that anyone discovered in your home (ESPECIALLY if anyone is home at the time) is subject to forfeiture of their life and is automatically considered a deadly threat. The legal doctrine for this is due to the fact that, in a country where about half of all homes have firearms that are accessible to the occupants, a person breaking into an occupied home is aware of the risk to themselves and is presumed to be willing to assume it and be potentially prepared to… Read more »