Opinion
Oregon – -(AmmoLand.com)- Senate Bill 801 has been scheduled for a hearing on March 27th at 1PM in Hearing Room B in the Capitol. The Senate Committee on Education is hearing the bill.
The bill allows (but does not require) public and private schools to have a 30 minute class on firearm safety and accident prevention for first graders.
The class must be taught by a teacher, administrator, law enforcement agent or “first responder.” None of these people are required to be firearms instructors. “First responder” is not defined in the bill.
While the bill specifies what the curriculum must include, ie:
- (a) The proper steps a student should take upon encountering an unsecured firearm;
- (b) The differences between video game violence and real-life violence; and
- (c) The dangers of confusing toy guns and real guns.
– it does not have a prepared curriculum so this is left up to whoever is teaching the class.
While supportive of safety training for children, we believe that people who teach firearms safety should have a background in teaching firearms safety. There are probably not a lot of first-grade teachers with this kind of training.
This bill has enormous potential and the people behind it are dedicated to keeping kids safe, but it needs some work. We look forward to amendments to make this well-intentioned bill truly effective.
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@ Rev, Thanks, I’ve had some of those long days to stretch my resolve, and bring growth. I enjoyed the dialog too.. What’s in a Name? 🙂 I’ve got nothing else left to lose now, but my life. Unashamed! You have a very good understanding of the scripture. Far more than I grasp, I think too! To expand a little more on actions.. It takes it out of the realm of mere religion vs. a Born again relationship, when we hear the Lord speak and obey.. That’s what all the faith, works-action-obedience vs. disobedience-sin-death means to me. The spirit of… Read more »
@Walter Goddard
Amen.
Liberty or Death.
If I lived in Oregon, I believe I might think about moving out of state due to the stupid New York/Kalifornia crap laws they are pushing (and unfortunately passing). It’s only going to get worse and do absolutely nothing to affect a criminal’s ability to use a firearm for bad things. Also unfortunately, I live in Washington and the westside liberals are on the same track as Oregon … God forbid. We will be fighting I-1639 in the courts for months even though it is obvious it flies in the face of the US and Washington State Constitutions. This is… Read more »
At the same time, actual registration of firearms in Oregon is being proposed, along with the usual ban on “assault weapons,” and a magazine capacity limit of FIVE. I have no idea what they propose to do with revolvers that hold six rounds. Also included are provisions to result in the closure of all outdoor ranges by making the county in which a range is located liable for anyone hit by a round that leaves the range. Most ranges exist under “special use” permits which can be revoked at any time, and no county will be willing to bear this… Read more »
When i was in grade school,every year about a month after school started a missouri dept of conservation came to schools with several diffrent guns and showed us gun safety.
Too bad that program ended
Heed the Call-up,
Yes, I would agree fully that a CFI would be required to teach. That reminds me that I need to sign up for two courses at the gun store/shooting range here. Our state has just signed off on constitutional carry effective in November.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you Green Watch Dogs reply. Poor guy just doesn’t know when he has lost. What is a Right? A right is something you are entitled to simply for being alive, something that you as an individual have control over yourself. The only place a Right ends is where it immediately transgresses against another individuals rights. The three main rights under which all others are placed are Life, Liberty, and Property. This is what the Bill of Rights covers. Safety is an imaginary thing. It is a feeling, an emotion based only upon individual perception… Read more »
Hey @ REV
Want to see some one actually poking fun back at the Gov..
Here’s a Missouri Law maker, that authored a bill to mandate AR-15 ownership by all Missouri State Citizens..
Yes, you read that right…
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/daniel-zimmerman/missouri-lawmaker-introduces-bill-to-make-ar-15-ownership-mandatory/?utm_source=wideopen&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wideopen&utm_content=%5B%5Brssitem_title%5D%5D
Familiar with it.
Goes right along with the towns Kennesaw and Nelson in Georgia. Particularly like how the article points out the idea of forced mandates, which is why I brought up those two towns. They have exemptions of Conscience written in. It does not force or penalize those to object to personally owning a firearm, but it does emphasize the right of choice and strengthens the right to keep and bear.
What a difference that one little caveat makes. Its called Constitutional Consistency. Hats off to Daniel Zimmerman.
Yes Sir indeed!
I see it like this.. Do not boil a ‘kid’ in its Mother’s milk..
Someone immature, unable to clearly choose and reason.
Don’t cause a child to stumble… Conscience.. protection for the Citizen.
The exemption of Conscience isn’t a gimmick for religious people to get out of going to war either… I have finally grown up enough and seen how it relates to “not boiling a kid, in its Mother’s milk”..Some one who is too Spiritually immature to correctly reason, or deal with walking in Love towards your enemy, and turning the other cheek, while pulling the trigger to end their life. Other wise, it’s a Constitutional Draft… Gotta love it! Like I commented a while back, about the Founding Fathers’ having true knowledge and understanding: of facing our demons, our mortality.. they… Read more »
Well expressed, good sir.
@ CM, I vaguely recall a coach leveled in/near Vegas, or Reno, a few years back.. It puts goose bumps on me when I read this stuff.. You don’t know what its like to be a vet, or a driver, someone who’s faced death.. had their hands in some one else’s blood.. Want a lesson about walking a mile in another man’s shoes.. There you go! I responded to a comment some time ago, about the Constitution, and how it reflected on the Founding Fathers who had true knowledge and understanding of the suffering involved in a war, etc… The… Read more »
@ CM,
I read your reply below.
I vaguely recall a coach in Nevada that got leveled…
I can relate to the goosebumps, the knots in your stomach… Not a fun way to spend time off work!
Close Encounters of The Turd Kind:
I almost stepped in some doggy pooh
Would’ve covered the sole of my shoe
Why can’t folk use a scoop
To pick up their dog’s poop
The Green Watch Dog wishes all a Happy Saint Patricks Day!
Once again, the GRF would have others labor to make the world the way he would like it. Just walk around it, dog poop for brains. Thank God you have no authority because you think like a tyrant.
I’m glad his bark is worse than his bite too @ WB…
Do you suppose he intends on actually being the “Green New Deal’s ‘watchdog’?”
Maybe it’s time to call animal control!
The revelator,
Most here are committed in preservation of our amendment rights. And, education and saving lives with a program like this one here.
Yes, we are well aware that you like to hear yourself squabble! I would go further and bet that neighbors who live @ you turn their backs and close their doors whenever they see you walking your armored dog (with a spiked collar) down the street.
@Green Watch Dog You however are not concerned with the Preservation of Rights. You have continuously advocated for infringements of those rights. The idea that you are “Saving Lives” is also a bogus claim. There has already been evidence submitted to you showing the words of the constitution, showing what the law says the Government can and cannot do, empirical evidence showing that your proposed Gun Control ideas never actually make people safer and that the people who suffer most under them are the law abiding. This is why you are a liar. Because you try to use the same… Read more »
Let all who come here witness this and see, Green Watch Dog is not a Second Amendment Supporter.
He has been here for months now, advocating Government control and confiscation, violating the Constitution, even up to and including the murder of law abiding Americans who resist his plans for confiscation.
Let Everyone you know hear from you about his plans that he himself advocates for gun control and that he is a lying, honor less, coward that deserves to be recognized as a traitor to this country.
This is GOOD news..
Some FFA, Swat, and DARE, involvement: to teach the value of life/death/nature, along with the safety curriculum would be nice too!
The Problem is Walter, what happens when it is the teacher teaching it, with no prescribed curriculum. Most teachers are anti constitutional socialists in this country. This bill could also be used as a brainwashing tool against kids as much as it could be used to educate about safety. Think of it this way… Would you want a lying weasel like Green Watch Dog teaching the class, telling them how if the kids parents own firearms, that those kids should let police know, and coaching them to tell the police that they don’t feel “safe”. Please remember how much he… Read more »
Thanks @ REV.. Noted.. I agree! No more weasels… I did have a “notion” of what you are addressing, but was thinking of it as an unfinished program.. It has to be done by qualified teachers, with proper motives, teaching “Constitutional truth”.. No more watered down, and perverted curriculum! We also have to get rid of the swamp gators. Sad to see, that there is no true bipartisanship in America. The leftists all drop their division bombs, and blame the GOP for it.. They are the only ones I see that are not willing to agree, on disagreeing! Hollywood elites… Read more »
For the most part, I rarely waste money on most of the stuff coming out from Hollywood. I like good coffee, so I avoid starbucks(blech) and brew my own. I won’t touch a GM vehicle because they screwed me over as a taxpayer, and most of all I refuse to use Google. Most of the things in my life that I avoid have been because my money matters to me and I don’t feel the need to support things that use that money against me and my rights after they have it. It is for that reason that I left… Read more »
Hey @ Rev.. I hope you’re doing well! I try to make deliberate choices when it comes to spending as well… It’s a difficult row to hoe, not being judgmental, when making choices. I thoroughly enjoy coffee, and I do like Starbucks coffee beans, but not the price.. My palate stops noticing a difference in taste vs. price beyond $!0/lb for coffee beans… I like Dodge Ram.. Chrysler Capital has treated me well too! I still have a few unanswered concerns over privacy, with the tech companies and social networks! Sharing info for a dollar and who’s who secrets with… Read more »
@Walter Goddard Yes, For my own part I was asked to keep my personal information private. I have mentioned here before the family that has been tied very closely to law enforcement, particularly federal, and that position means there are some people who have them on a retribution list and will target anyone including family members to get back at them because of the work they did securing the nation. I wont go into any more detail than that. Anyway, that is my own reason. Others do so, like GWD, because they feel it gives them an ability to say… Read more »
@ Rev,
Thanks my Friend and Brother..
I accept your words of admonition and praise, as an honor due your position in this life…
Making my reply up here.. no drop down below to reply.
Keep standing for the Truth, and correcting the lost in tough love!
They don’t know it yet, but will eventually thank you for it…
..Liberty, or Death!
Do you piss and moan what I write to all aspects of your life? Voicing your imagined concerns to family, strangers on the street?
I share issues I feel that helps to insure saving lives and injury for all, and you spend 24/7 trying to discredit me. I am against recreational drugs, but I think a joint may calm you down.
@The Green Watch Dog No moaning involved on my end, but hearing you moan as a result lets me know I’m doing a good job. You say “I share issues I feel that helps to insure saving lives and injury for all, and you spend 24/7 trying to discredit me” First of all, YOU DISCREDIT YOURSELF. You practice hypocrisy and spend most of your time here trying to repeat the same lies that have been proven as lies since December of last year. Second, your feelings, your opinions, your thoughts on what safety is mean nothing. They are emotional nonsense… Read more »
Good to see pro active response to a bill that is allowed, but not required. Article notes first grade, but all grade level classes could benefit.
TGWD, but having it taught by people without any knowledge of firearms and firearm safety, and without a prescribed curriculum, do you really believe it will teach actual firearm safety? It’s similar to one of Bloomberg’s anti-rights advocacy groups that claims to be a gun safety organization that doesn’t actually teach or advocate for firearm safety, but for gun control, confiscation, and elimination of the 2A, and will trash all other rights to get to their goal. No, if the bill stated the course needed to be taught by people that are certified firearm instructors, then it would be a… Read more »
@Heed The Call up. That is precisely what I tried to point out to walter. Unfortunately Green Watch Dog’s ideas of safety are all based on the idea of Governmental Control and permission, negating the individual RIGHT to KaBA. “Safety” is the catch all word he uses as an excuse for these infringements. ERPO’s are the biggest example. The violate no less than 6 of the rights protected under the Bill of Rights. As you have wisely noted, No, this bill is not a good one as of yet. Thank you for also for the time you have spent educating… Read more »
@REV.. Some one seeking US Citizenship is required to know more about the US Constitution than American born Citizens… This is a huge sore spot with me.. It has to stop. We have to get the US Constitution back in the classrooms, along with the 10 Commandments. The life style perversions taught in schools, are contrary to natural law, and should not be taught as truth, normal. It is a sign of a broken foundation, and anything built on it will not stand! It’s time to get back to basics. We need to teach our children the Truth.. reading, writing,… Read more »
That has been the biggest blind spot for Green Watch Dog. Much of how I patterned the way I address him was based of how Jesus argued against the Pharisees. He was very blunt and rough spoken towards them, at times mocking them outright because they were so blinded by their own feelings and opinions that they rejected scripture, rejected what they could see and touch with their own hands, and instead sought for a way to destroy the thing that showed flaws in their opinions. A prime example of this was when Jesus told them their father was satan… Read more »
Amen! (As an aside, regarding part of your reply to The Rev., a motorcoach company that I drove for years ago had an “unofficial” policy regarding incidents like the one you referenced. We had incident recorders that looked forward and inside at the same time. If someone were to pull out in front of you, etc., you were to drive THROUGH them, perhaps with a bit more throttle to maintain vehicle stability. You were responsible for 54 passengers on your bus, not the people in the other vehicle that made a very poor choice and received the consequences for it.… Read more »
@ Rev, ..Answering from below again… That’s a big Amen! We cannot be set free of the lies, until we choose to seek the truth and respond with believing action. This is from my own experience.. Words, or deeds, are empty/lifeless with out the Good fruit to back it up… It is “faith” that overcomes the ‘world’, not charisma! Faith is the “substance” of what we hope for, it comes from the Spiritual/Word we hear from Jesus Himself.. It is a piece of Him.. a mustard seed. …From the Relationship we have from/with Him. ..Don’t forget, when Jesus rebuked ‘Satan’,… Read more »
@Walter Goddard. Peter is a good example to follow. Not only did Christ have to rebuke him for the temptation he was putting up to Jesus in the Situation you are referring to, but also for denying the authority of God’s power over us (Denying the name 3 times), for Coveting those Around him (Questioning why Jesus had different plans for different disciples), and by Paul for practicing hypocrisy and endangering the church by allowing a double standard of treatment to exist within it. A Comparison of Peter and Paul, particularly in contrast with Saul and David, is a good… Read more »