Bill to Require Annual Threat Assessment of Unserialized Firearms Advances

Ghost Gunner Miniature CNC Machine
Ghost Gunner Miniature CNC Machine

Washington, D.C-(Ammoland.com)-The House Committee on Homeland Security advanced a bill that would order the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to prepare an annual threat assessment on unserialized firearms completed by the end user to the full House of Representatives for a vote.

The bill that was sponsored by Democratic Congressman Max Rose consider these firearms as an emerging threat to public safety. The legislation refers to these firearms as “ghost guns.”

The use of 80% AR-15 lower receiver is at the heart of the bill. Rep Rose considers these receivers as more accessible to acquire than a traditional firearm. He states that the lowers are easy to complete by the average person.

In order to complete an 80% lower receiver, a user must use a drill press or expensive metal working tools. Building unserialized guns are more expensive and less reliable than buying a brand-new rifle, and there are easier ways for criminals to get guns.

The bill also sounds the alarm over 3D printed firearms. The generation of 3D printed guns are not reliable. The scare comes from a demonstration of the Liberator. Defense Distributed designed the Liberator as a .380ACP caliber 3D printed gun.

The Liberator, named after the pistol dropped over France too resistance fighters during World War II, is a single shot pistol. Homebrew 3D printers cannot print a working Liberator because the material cannot withstand the pressure that builds up when a user fires a gun. The cheapest printer a user can buy to make a gun the quality of the Liberator is the Stratasys F120 which runs around $12,000.

Rose is also concerned about these gun’s ability to defeat metal detectors. All DIY guns are detectable by metal detectors. All 80% lower receiver regardless of the material it is made of is detectable because of the metal used in the internal components. Even the Liberator used a metal firing pin. Also, ammunition is detectable by metal detectors.

“The notion of terrorists being able to get weapons that have no serial number, potentially even plastic weapons that they can bring through metal detectors, is incredibly alarming,” Rose told News Week. “We pride ourselves in this country on terrorists not being able to buy weapons. Here it is totally possible for a homegrown terrorist or a foreign terrorist who has infiltrated our country to buy a ghost gun.”

Undetectable firearms have been illegal since 1988 when Congress passed the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988. In that year Democrats used a line from Die Hard 2 to convince the public that Glocks were undetectable by metal detectors. Even though this information was false, the people believed it.

AmmoLand's research could only turn up four case of criminal using an unserialized firearm in a commission on of a crime. Two of these crimes were in California where the state already bans these guns. Another was in Chicago which has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. There has been a rise in confiscation of these firearms in California in the previous two years.

The next step for the bill will be a full vote by the House of Representatives. It is expected to pass the Democratic-controlled chamber. The law will most likely die in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Congressman Max Rose's office did not return AmmoLand’s request for comment.


About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

  • 33 thoughts on “Bill to Require Annual Threat Assessment of Unserialized Firearms Advances

    1. Once again the grandchild of an immigrant works to destroy the traditional freedoms that the Founders left to their posterity. All immigration has been bad for Americans and our liberty.

    2. I think I read the same article as several who are posting. Funny, I didn’t think John was filling the article with negatives. More than once he noted Max Rose the Happy NY congressman, if you get my drift. I took that to mean that Rose was attacking the ghost guns and 3d guns. John and Ammoland are reporting what this little guy is trying to shove down our throat.

      1. I understand this article. Some may have taken my original comment out out context. My bad!
        The fact is gun grabbers can’t stand not knowing what we have. I don’t call them ghost guns, l call them internet guns. All components and tools are out there to be legally obtained and assembled by the hands of the supposed end user. My knowledge of this is firsthand and there is/was proposed legislation in my western state to ban 80% lowers and criminalize possession with threat of jail time and heavy fines. I’m not the bad guy here. I know the intent of the ban and the intent of the article. John is showing us the lies and misinformation being used against us garage tinkerers by fear mongering gun grabbers who just can’t stand not knowing what we have.

    3. @Rattlesnake,

      You said:”

      What leftists don’t understand, is that they created this mess, because they insisted on ignoring the 2nd amendment and insist on regulating the ownership of guns.”
      What was the NRA and rest of the country doing while all of this was going on?

    4. A big piece of the reasoning to have unserialized, home brewed weapons if the fear that the government will ban guns and require the public to “turn them all in” as in D. Feinstein’s quote. With the rise of crime, terrorism, lack of security and personal safety along with governmental overreach the right and need to have weapons the government, terrorists, general criminals and even nosey neighbors are not aware of is not without merit.

      While the right to keep and bear arms is a GOD ordained truth that our founding fathers and all Liberty and Freedom seeking Americans hold to be obvious, none the less the LORD Himself and our founding fathers sought to make that right known, guaranteed and under contract on paper. See Luke 22:36 and the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing that discriminates as to where, when or by who the weapon is made. The founding fathers knew all too well that there are those in governments who see their citizens as subjects they can treat as slaves and money pits and subject to any other whim those in office see fit. This was the case with England and the colonels of America. Power breeds corruption and sooner or later for the evil minded, treason. History shows the colonies tried for years to humbly beseech King George and the parliament re: their injustices, taxation, imprisonment, lack of human rights, dictatorship and other issues. The straw that broke the camel’s back happened when the British marched on Concord in an effort to disarm their subjects. History has a tendency to repeat itself and it looks to be about to repeat itself again. Thus we have home made firearms. The 2nd. Amendment reflected not just the obvious right of defense, sports, hunting, collections and the pursuit of life, liberty and happyness, it stands as a last defense of all the other freedoms and rights layed out in the BIBLE and the Amendments put forth in our Constitution and against government “overreach”.

      Among the first things a government must do to ensure the slavery of the masses is to disarm the public The most recent proof of that fact is Venezuela. No more than eleven years ago they were the richest nation in south America but they elected a socialist president among other socialists politicians. They banned and required the surrender of ALL firearms. Now the people in Venezuela starve. They are impoverished, without decent medical care. Inflation is such that paper currency is used as toilet paper. The people in office effectively gutted the nation. The common man has no hope for anything better for him or his children unless there is military aid from outside their borders or the LORD intervenes.

      Make no mistake, this is what will happen to the U.S. if we ever surrender our firearms, ammo, high capacity magazines etc. When you purchase a firearm in a store you have to fill out a form 4473. That document is supposed to stay with that store but I have known instances when the B A T F E has demanded the store turn in all their 4473″s. To my understanding that was/is illegal yet the A T F E was never punished. I have SEEN people beaten by members of the B A T F E. Thus, I personally am doubtful of trusting the government to the point I am willing to be unarmed. Those who would surrender their rights and freedoms for governmental “security” will possess and deserve neither.

      Freedom is worth talking about, arguing for, defending, warring for and if needs be it is worth dying for. Ask any vet. What will you do without freedom? If you are not armed, get that way. If you are not trained as to how to use and when NOT to use your weapons then get trained. If you don’t carry 24/7 you are taking your life and the lives of your loved ones and friends for granted. If you cannot hit an “A” Zone sized target at 25 yards at the rate of 1 second per shot you need to practice. If you don’t know what an “A” zone is you need to find out. To up your game you could join a defensive pistol club and/or shoot 3-gun matches. This will quickly show you your true abilities and faults and, more over, the time it takes to effectively deploy and use your firearm. The reality of this is eye opening to say the least.

      Reality is such that when seconds can mean the difference between life or death, the police as just minuets away. YOU are responsible for your life, the life of your spouse and loved ones, your friends, neighbors and the innocent person on the street. Murder, attempted murder or assault takes only seconds. The average mass shooting is finished in under 4 min. The average time it takes the police to arrive on site is 9 min. The worst mass shooting in the U.S. that I am aware of happened in Las Vegas at a concert two years ago. The shooters fired into the crowed for 10 min. The police were already on site as security. Due to the echo the surrounding buildings provided, it was difficult to determine just where the gunfire was coming from. It took just over an hour after the last shot was fired for the police to gain access to the rooms that were used by the snipers in their evil act of mass murder.

      Arm up, carry on.

    5. There are multiple other ways of obtaining, lawfully, even in most “restrictive” states, arms that are imposible to trace to the new owner based on the serial numbers assigned them at time of manufacture.
      ANY weapon made before NICS started will turn up with no record when the manufacturer is queried. ANY weapon that has been legally transferred one or more times since original purchase new will turn up with a dead end once original retail purchaser is contacted. “Oh I sold that thing twenty years ago, can’t remember to whom”. Even if he’s lying they have no way of verifying. Unless he provides a record of sale including transferee’s contact information, AND transferee is still at that address 25 years after getting that gun, dead end.

      Just a couple ways I can think of off the top of my head.

      I know someone who recently purchased a gun made in 1994 from an FFL. NICS check done. If LE try and run a trace on that SN, it will lead nowhere. It could have lawfully hopped through twenty different lawful owners since made, each step leading further down a dead end rabbit trail.

      Of course, we all know this scenario is precisely why they want ALL sales run through FFL with BGC/NICS, and a registry kept of all transfers and known ownership records. Full registration, as in Germany in the 1930’s IS their end game. It is obvious what the next step will be, which is precisely WHY we must push back, resist, obfuscate, confuse, sidestep, evade, remain silent, at every step they attempt to take. We KNOW what happens when guns are registered, then prohibited then……………………..

      Cuba

      Venezuela

      China

      France

      England

      South Africa

    6. So, the local gang of toughs want to knock off a bank or large drug distribution warehouse. They need guns. Plenty of them. AND the fodder to feed them. What they gonna do?

      One common scheme that has been worked successfully in quite a few places is as follows:

      case out a few gun stores by playing “interested customer”.
      Learn what us where, security protocols, storage systems, etc.
      steal a pickup truck from the area
      several show up in the parking lot, ready with appropriate tools and large capacity cargo vans, number plates covered
      drive the pickup through the front wall or door, or round back
      follow the pickup inside, (where it will be abandoned) smash the display cases, grab the handguns, long guns off the wall, pile them into the waiting cargo vans.
      Drive cargo vans off the lot, quickly remove number plate covers, and drive like nothing happened to the garage of wherever.

      Decide whcih guns to keep, sell the rest to your cohorts for other “projects”.

      This scenario has been played out multiple times across the nation in the past two decades. NO LAW has ever been passed that will absolutely prevent such events happening. The ONLY laws that tend to reduce such conduct, along with what often happens when the criminals go into action (dead people resulting) are being repealed in one after another jurisdiction.. few states still impose the death penalty for capital crimes, thus the deterrent is greatly reduced.

      The manufacture of guns takes skill, petiance, accuracy, dedication. Common thieves and other criminals possess few of these traits. They much prefer to simply obtain their “tools of the trade” by unlawful means.

      Such bills are thinly veiled attempts to close one more avenue for the law abiding patriotic of this land to obtain the goods we need to continue to assure “the security of a free state”. King George signed orders to disarm the colonists. We said NO back then. Many said HELL NO and backed that up with their lives. And that NO!!!! lead to George losing it all, which he richly deserved.

      We have an unhinged reiteration of that wretched George, seeking any means he can invent or discover to reduce the number of arms which he, if he continues on his present course, could well find standing against him and his evil plots, AND the number of people which could be arrayed against his evil plots.

    7. There is sooooo much misinformation in this article, some by the author, the rest by the useless leftists!

      1). Rep Rose considers 80% AR-15 lower receiver these receivers as more accessible to acquire than a traditional firearm. SO! What difference does that make? It still has to be milled, and criminals will not waste time “making” a weapon when they can buy stolen weapons on the street. It’s also notable that most criminals are not intelligent enough to mill an 80% receiver or “build” a weapon from scratch, nor are they going to spend several hundred dollars on jigs and other tools to be able to mill them, when they can by a gun on the street that is ready to use.
      2) He states that the lowers are easy to complete by the average person. FALSE! I’d challenge him and many of his fellow leftist colleagues to complete one – and that means without any outside instruction or help other than what they can find through their own research (google, youtube, etc.), and then build it into a complete weapon. These idiots wouldn’t have a clue what parts are necessary.
      3) In order to complete an 80% lower receiver, a user must use a drill press or expensive metal working tools. FALSE. Expensive is very subjective and the jigs and other tools are pretty simple to use.
      4) Building unserialized guns are more expensive and less reliable than buying a brand-new rifle, and there are easier ways for criminals to get guns. TRUE and FALSE. Building unserialized weapons is only more expensive because when building any weapon most “builders” will not use cheap basic parts which are usually found in production off-the-shelf weapons.
      5) Homebrew 3D printers cannot print a working Liberator because the material cannot withstand the pressure that builds up when a user fires a gun. FALSE This is assuming that no one is able to build a 3D printer that can withstand the pressure. There are thousands of “backyard” wizards who are able to build just about anything, and do it better than industry.
      6) Rose is also concerned about these gun’s ability to defeat metal detectors. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
      7) “The notion of terrorists being able to get weapons that have no serial number, potentially even plastic weapons that they can bring through metal detectors, is incredibly alarming,” Rose told News Week. “We pride ourselves in this country on terrorists not being able to buy weapons. Here it is totally possible for a homegrown terrorist or a foreign terrorist who has infiltrated our country to buy a ghost gun.” Terrorists will get weapons no matter how they are made or what they are made of. Our porous borders allow for weapons, drugs, and illegals to enter all the time, and yet there are laws against it. Whether a weapon has a serial number or not makes NO DIFFERENCE. Many criminals simple grind off the serial numbers anyways, and all a serial number tells you is who the weapon was registered to, if it was registered – it tells you nothing about who used the weapon in a crime!

    8. This is another article with completely inaccurate information meant to rile up us gun owners. Ammoland needs to learn to use Google better. 4 crimes with non-serial guns….4?! Do you mean 4 this month?

      I can recall four just from memory. Two of which were committed by people who should not have had guns in the first place that used non-serial weapons. Both of those were in California which is a hub for non-serial weapons.

      Upon further investigation, the ATF, which is the only federal department tasked with tracking this type of thing, notes multiple crimes with non-serial weapons happen ALL OF THE TIME.

      I get that some people want to take away guns, and that’s shitty and I’m not for it. I don’t get why you as a person with a wide reach to the masses of people who may not have the time to look up the stuff that you publish, have to use false information and half truths to get us to further cement our belief that hell is freezing over.

    9. Come on John. Do you smell the BS you’re shoveling?
      “Building unserialized guns are more expensive and less reliable than buying a brand-new rifle”
      You know that’s not true.
      “Homebrew 3D printers cannot print a working Liberator”
      They most certainly can, I use a $300 RigidBot. The material is the same, the difference in printer price gives you speed and convenience, not material.
      I understand you’re trying to down play the risks in order to undermine the bill’s passage, but by lying , you undermine your own credibility.
      Let the leftists tell the lies and let us uncover them, let’s NOT do the lying. No matter how well intentioned you are.

      1. Are you actually saying you can print a barrel? Because if you are that is a tremendous wopper of a lie right there.
        How about springs? Next it’ll be a peanut butter and jelwee samich! Mmhh num num!

    10. Never mind that long guns are used in a tiny fraction of ‘gun violence’. The legislators have nearly drowned themselves in the MSM driven Kool-aid. Unless a national registry of guns is created (God forbid) the knowledge of the original owner through serial numbers is a fools errand.

      1. I’ve heard that serial numbers were not required on firearms until the democrats passed the 1968 gun control act. This is just another excuse for gun banning politicians to get a list of firearms, we’ve already read here on Ammoland of the 25 democrats running for president of how they want to ban and confiscate AR-15’s. Does anyone remember back in the 1980’s when they first started importing Uzi’s, the gun banning politicians. (after watching Hollywood movies and Miami Vice)
        claimed that every gang member and every drug dealer in America owned one! They. never imported that many to begin with. Gun shops had one in stock, customers would look at them, but wouldn’t pay the premium for them. (The M 1, 30 Carbine is a good firearm). So now the gunbanning politicians found the newest scary term “ghost guns”!! Even on the news, they make it sound like anyone who has a copy machine or printer can make one of these scary “ghost guns”! The politicians are always looking for ways to confuse the general public(which isn’t too hard), so they can ban firearms. Red flag laws- background checks= gun confiscation = you taken away by storm troopers to spend the rest of your life in a gun control concentration camp!

        1. @Patriot guy, you post gave rise to several thoughts: First, if gun banning politicians want a list of guns, and therefore, gun owners, then perhaps we should be making a list of them.
          Second, if gun banning politician were convinced that every gang member had an Uzi, why do they want to insure that I don’t have one?
          Third, politicians should not fear my unserialized firearm. Politicians should fear my unserialized lawn more gas can.
          If the target of a red flag law allegation, maybe one should not resist. Maybe one should invite them in and have a nice conversation to determine who they are and where the fuck their office is located.Then get yourself arrested.

          1. You’re about one babbling incoherent buffoon! “Lawn more”? Really? Where did you learn English, in Honduras?

            1. @Rattler, It is always nice to hear from you! That should have been lawn mower gasoline can, but my overly zealous spell checker decided otherwise. No, but I learned Spanish in Panama. What are your other objections?

          2. Thank you Wild Bill and Patriot Guy for your logic and reason. This place is full of Fudd’s (did I spell that rite?”) I like your lawn mower gas can.

            1. @Kevin, Thank you, sir. And the nice thing about my lawn MOWER gasoline can is that I can fill it up just before getting on the Belt Way, not too far from the G.W. bridge!

    11. While doing a search warrant at the home of a felon for drugs, I found a 45 acp under his bed, the SR# had been removed. The feds working with us would not charge hin withe the firearm or that it had the SR # removed.
      Just another liberal trying to take away what few liberties we have.

    12. Even though they do require a fair amount of labor and machine work, 80% lowers are the only way for many to acquire access to AR type sporting rifles. Here in MA, the sale (and possibly future possession) has been unlateraly criminalized by Libtard State AG Healy. (Yeah, I am among a large group here who are Felons-in-Waiting.) Gun dealers in adjacent states follow this prohibition and will sell only approved long guns to MA. residents. This includes 100% lowers. Scary Black Gun Syndrome run amok.

    13. Authoritarians must use fear and misinformation in order to talk a free people out of their liberty. This article references a couple of examples where this is clearly the case. Fear and misinformation is all they have because verifiable facts do not support their case. Our role is to educated the public. Take people to the range, teach them to shoot in a safe and responsible environment. If your local clubs are doing things like First Shots and Women on Target get involved and support them. Making new shooters with these programs is the long game but it is the game that will prevail.

    14. 80% lower machining takes hours on a drill press and unless you use a quality jig to locate holes correctly, you will end up with a nice piece of scrap aluminum or poly if you’re into those. I’m not. You guys know this but the propagandists will have everyone believing these are bad juju. Horse hockey! Just more fear mongering and misinformation.

      1. How many have you made or attempted to make? The facts are that AR15 80% lowers are extremely forgiving of mistakes. I along with others have made quite a few. As long as you line up the template for the pin holes correctly the rest has tolerances that are “give and take”. If you invest in a “Ghost Gunner” CNC machine with a few friends you can, each, and individually, crank out your own AR’s quickly and efficiently.

        I would not dissuade anyone from making their own. Are they more expensive than going to your local gun store? Yes, but the whole point is you’ve got a firearm that has no serial number, that you own and that Liberals everywhere are trying to ban. That, alone, should be enough to make you want to own a FEW of them!

        1. You’re about one babbling incoherent buffoon! “Lawn more”? Really? Where did you learn English, in Honduras?

        2. vanns40 – – The point is NOT that the weapon has no serial number, the point is that by building an 80%er/Ghost gun you avoid the illegal and unconstitutional requirements that the government created, like background checks, registration, weapons lists, age prohibition, and even permit fees. A serial number actually is a good thing if it is used for a good and legal purpose like finding the true owner of the stolen weapon and returning it, just as the vin number on a vehicle.

          What leftists don’t understand, is that they created this mess, because they insisted on ignoring the 2nd amendment and insist on regulating the ownership of guns. They forced law abiding Americans to find another way to LEGALLY avoid the government’s mandates.

        3. Vanns40, thanks for the reply. The point l should have stated is that done correctly, an 80% is 100% reliable. Those who tell us they aren’t are the fear mongering gun grabbers. So l hope you forgive me for my miscommunication. All the parts and tools are out there to be bought legally. Are gun grabbers going to shut down the internet too? What l own, have obtained legally, and use lawfully, responsibly and safely is nobody’s business! That’s what the gun grabbers are trying to stop cuz they can’t stand the thought of what we might have. Have a good one!

    15. How much more will we be infringed of our right to bear arms? I’m kinda sick of these wacko politicians doing this over and over. Time to get more 0%, 20%, and 80% lowers done.

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