Bill to Require Annual Threat Assessment of Unserialized Firearms Advances

Ghost Gunner Miniature CNC Machine
Ghost Gunner Miniature CNC Machine

Washington, D.C-(Ammoland.com)-The House Committee on Homeland Security advanced a bill that would order the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to prepare an annual threat assessment on unserialized firearms completed by the end user to the full House of Representatives for a vote.

The bill that was sponsored by Democratic Congressman Max Rose consider these firearms as an emerging threat to public safety. The legislation refers to these firearms as “ghost guns.”

The use of 80% AR-15 lower receiver is at the heart of the bill. Rep Rose considers these receivers as more accessible to acquire than a traditional firearm. He states that the lowers are easy to complete by the average person.

In order to complete an 80% lower receiver, a user must use a drill press or expensive metal working tools. Building unserialized guns are more expensive and less reliable than buying a brand-new rifle, and there are easier ways for criminals to get guns.

The bill also sounds the alarm over 3D printed firearms. The generation of 3D printed guns are not reliable. The scare comes from a demonstration of the Liberator. Defense Distributed designed the Liberator as a .380ACP caliber 3D printed gun.

The Liberator, named after the pistol dropped over France too resistance fighters during World War II, is a single shot pistol. Homebrew 3D printers cannot print a working Liberator because the material cannot withstand the pressure that builds up when a user fires a gun. The cheapest printer a user can buy to make a gun the quality of the Liberator is the Stratasys F120 which runs around $12,000.

Rose is also concerned about these gun’s ability to defeat metal detectors. All DIY guns are detectable by metal detectors. All 80% lower receiver regardless of the material it is made of is detectable because of the metal used in the internal components. Even the Liberator used a metal firing pin. Also, ammunition is detectable by metal detectors.

“The notion of terrorists being able to get weapons that have no serial number, potentially even plastic weapons that they can bring through metal detectors, is incredibly alarming,” Rose told News Week. “We pride ourselves in this country on terrorists not being able to buy weapons. Here it is totally possible for a homegrown terrorist or a foreign terrorist who has infiltrated our country to buy a ghost gun.”

Undetectable firearms have been illegal since 1988 when Congress passed the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988. In that year Democrats used a line from Die Hard 2 to convince the public that Glocks were undetectable by metal detectors. Even though this information was false, the people believed it.

AmmoLand's research could only turn up four case of criminal using an unserialized firearm in a commission on of a crime. Two of these crimes were in California where the state already bans these guns. Another was in Chicago which has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. There has been a rise in confiscation of these firearms in California in the previous two years.

The next step for the bill will be a full vote by the House of Representatives. It is expected to pass the Democratic-controlled chamber. The law will most likely die in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Congressman Max Rose's office did not return AmmoLand’s request for comment.


About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

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    Chris Mallory
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    Chris Mallory

    Once again the grandchild of an immigrant works to destroy the traditional freedoms that the Founders left to their posterity. All immigration has been bad for Americans and our liberty.

    tomcat
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    I think I read the same article as several who are posting. Funny, I didn’t think John was filling the article with negatives. More than once he noted Max Rose the Happy NY congressman, if you get my drift. I took that to mean that Rose was attacking the ghost guns and 3d guns. John and Ammoland are reporting what this little guy is trying to shove down our throat.

    Sierra556
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    Sierra556

    I understand this article. Some may have taken my original comment out out context. My bad! The fact is gun grabbers can’t stand not knowing what we have. I don’t call them ghost guns, l call them internet guns. All components and tools are out there to be legally obtained and assembled by the hands of the supposed end user. My knowledge of this is firsthand and there is/was proposed legislation in my western state to ban 80% lowers and criminalize possession with threat of jail time and heavy fines. I’m not the bad guy here. I know the intent… Read more »

    Gregory Romeu
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    Gregory Romeu

    @Rattlesnake,

    You said:”

    What leftists don’t understand, is that they created this mess, because they insisted on ignoring the 2nd amendment and insist on regulating the ownership of guns.”
    What was the NRA and rest of the country doing while all of this was going on?

    Sierra556
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    Sierra556

    Does ground shipping count as a waiting period?

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    I think it should. 🙂

    James
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    James

    By that same token should not actual machining/polishing/fitting ect. count as a waiting period?

    Deplorable Bill
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    Deplorable Bill

    A big piece of the reasoning to have unserialized, home brewed weapons if the fear that the government will ban guns and require the public to “turn them all in” as in D. Feinstein’s quote. With the rise of crime, terrorism, lack of security and personal safety along with governmental overreach the right and need to have weapons the government, terrorists, general criminals and even nosey neighbors are not aware of is not without merit. While the right to keep and bear arms is a GOD ordained truth that our founding fathers and all Liberty and Freedom seeking Americans hold… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    There are multiple other ways of obtaining, lawfully, even in most “restrictive” states, arms that are imposible to trace to the new owner based on the serial numbers assigned them at time of manufacture. ANY weapon made before NICS started will turn up with no record when the manufacturer is queried. ANY weapon that has been legally transferred one or more times since original purchase new will turn up with a dead end once original retail purchaser is contacted. “Oh I sold that thing twenty years ago, can’t remember to whom”. Even if he’s lying they have no way of… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    So, the local gang of toughs want to knock off a bank or large drug distribution warehouse. They need guns. Plenty of them. AND the fodder to feed them. What they gonna do? One common scheme that has been worked successfully in quite a few places is as follows: case out a few gun stores by playing “interested customer”. Learn what us where, security protocols, storage systems, etc. steal a pickup truck from the area several show up in the parking lot, ready with appropriate tools and large capacity cargo vans, number plates covered drive the pickup through the front… Read more »

    Rattlerjake
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    There is sooooo much misinformation in this article, some by the author, the rest by the useless leftists! 1). Rep Rose considers 80% AR-15 lower receiver these receivers as more accessible to acquire than a traditional firearm. SO! What difference does that make? It still has to be milled, and criminals will not waste time “making” a weapon when they can buy stolen weapons on the street. It’s also notable that most criminals are not intelligent enough to mill an 80% receiver or “build” a weapon from scratch, nor are they going to spend several hundred dollars on jigs and… Read more »

    Fed Up
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    Fed Up

    This is another article with completely inaccurate information meant to rile up us gun owners. Ammoland needs to learn to use Google better. 4 crimes with non-serial guns….4?! Do you mean 4 this month? I can recall four just from memory. Two of which were committed by people who should not have had guns in the first place that used non-serial weapons. Both of those were in California which is a hub for non-serial weapons. Upon further investigation, the ATF, which is the only federal department tasked with tracking this type of thing, notes multiple crimes with non-serial weapons happen… Read more »

    SGT_Wombat
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    Come on John. Do you smell the BS you’re shoveling? “Building unserialized guns are more expensive and less reliable than buying a brand-new rifle” You know that’s not true. “Homebrew 3D printers cannot print a working Liberator” They most certainly can, I use a $300 RigidBot. The material is the same, the difference in printer price gives you speed and convenience, not material. I understand you’re trying to down play the risks in order to undermine the bill’s passage, but by lying , you undermine your own credibility. Let the leftists tell the lies and let us uncover them, let’s… Read more »

    Big Jim
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    Big Jim

    Are you actually saying you can print a barrel? Because if you are that is a tremendous wopper of a lie right there.
    How about springs? Next it’ll be a peanut butter and jelwee samich! Mmhh num num!

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    Never mind that long guns are used in a tiny fraction of ‘gun violence’. The legislators have nearly drowned themselves in the MSM driven Kool-aid. Unless a national registry of guns is created (God forbid) the knowledge of the original owner through serial numbers is a fools errand.

    Patriot guy
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    Patriot guy

    I’ve heard that serial numbers were not required on firearms until the democrats passed the 1968 gun control act. This is just another excuse for gun banning politicians to get a list of firearms, we’ve already read here on Ammoland of the 25 democrats running for president of how they want to ban and confiscate AR-15’s. Does anyone remember back in the 1980’s when they first started importing Uzi’s, the gun banning politicians. (after watching Hollywood movies and Miami Vice) claimed that every gang member and every drug dealer in America owned one! They. never imported that many to begin… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Patriot guy, you post gave rise to several thoughts: First, if gun banning politicians want a list of guns, and therefore, gun owners, then perhaps we should be making a list of them. Second, if gun banning politician were convinced that every gang member had an Uzi, why do they want to insure that I don’t have one? Third, politicians should not fear my unserialized firearm. Politicians should fear my unserialized lawn more gas can. If the target of a red flag law allegation, maybe one should not resist. Maybe one should invite them in and have a nice conversation… Read more »

    Rattlerjake
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    Rattlerjake

    You’re about one babbling incoherent buffoon! “Lawn more”? Really? Where did you learn English, in Honduras?

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Rattler, It is always nice to hear from you! That should have been lawn mower gasoline can, but my overly zealous spell checker decided otherwise. No, but I learned Spanish in Panama. What are your other objections?

    Kevin
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    Kevin

    Thank you Wild Bill and Patriot Guy for your logic and reason. This place is full of Fudd’s (did I spell that rite?”) I like your lawn mower gas can.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Kevin, Thank you, sir. And the nice thing about my lawn MOWER gasoline can is that I can fill it up just before getting on the Belt Way, not too far from the G.W. bridge!

    m.
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    m.

    f all Constitution-traitors

    Hugh
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    Hugh

    While doing a search warrant at the home of a felon for drugs, I found a 45 acp under his bed, the SR# had been removed. The feds working with us would not charge hin withe the firearm or that it had the SR # removed.
    Just another liberal trying to take away what few liberties we have.

    Gunner98
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    Even though they do require a fair amount of labor and machine work, 80% lowers are the only way for many to acquire access to AR type sporting rifles. Here in MA, the sale (and possibly future possession) has been unlateraly criminalized by Libtard State AG Healy. (Yeah, I am among a large group here who are Felons-in-Waiting.) Gun dealers in adjacent states follow this prohibition and will sell only approved long guns to MA. residents. This includes 100% lowers. Scary Black Gun Syndrome run amok.

    n r ringlee
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    n r ringlee

    Authoritarians must use fear and misinformation in order to talk a free people out of their liberty. This article references a couple of examples where this is clearly the case. Fear and misinformation is all they have because verifiable facts do not support their case. Our role is to educated the public. Take people to the range, teach them to shoot in a safe and responsible environment. If your local clubs are doing things like First Shots and Women on Target get involved and support them. Making new shooters with these programs is the long game but it is the… Read more »

    Sierra556
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    Sierra556

    80% lower machining takes hours on a drill press and unless you use a quality jig to locate holes correctly, you will end up with a nice piece of scrap aluminum or poly if you’re into those. I’m not. You guys know this but the propagandists will have everyone believing these are bad juju. Horse hockey! Just more fear mongering and misinformation.

    Vanns40
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    How many have you made or attempted to make? The facts are that AR15 80% lowers are extremely forgiving of mistakes. I along with others have made quite a few. As long as you line up the template for the pin holes correctly the rest has tolerances that are “give and take”. If you invest in a “Ghost Gunner” CNC machine with a few friends you can, each, and individually, crank out your own AR’s quickly and efficiently. I would not dissuade anyone from making their own. Are they more expensive than going to your local gun store? Yes, but… Read more »

    Rattlerjake
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    Rattlerjake

    You’re about one babbling incoherent buffoon! “Lawn more”? Really? Where did you learn English, in Honduras?

    Rattlerjake
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    Rattlerjake

    This comment belongs under “Wild Bill”!!

    Rattlerjake
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    vanns40 – – The point is NOT that the weapon has no serial number, the point is that by building an 80%er/Ghost gun you avoid the illegal and unconstitutional requirements that the government created, like background checks, registration, weapons lists, age prohibition, and even permit fees. A serial number actually is a good thing if it is used for a good and legal purpose like finding the true owner of the stolen weapon and returning it, just as the vin number on a vehicle. What leftists don’t understand, is that they created this mess, because they insisted on ignoring the… Read more »

    Sierra556
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    Sierra556

    Exactly! Thanks Rattlerjake.

    Sierra556
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    Sierra556

    Vanns40, thanks for the reply. The point l should have stated is that done correctly, an 80% is 100% reliable. Those who tell us they aren’t are the fear mongering gun grabbers. So l hope you forgive me for my miscommunication. All the parts and tools are out there to be bought legally. Are gun grabbers going to shut down the internet too? What l own, have obtained legally, and use lawfully, responsibly and safely is nobody’s business! That’s what the gun grabbers are trying to stop cuz they can’t stand the thought of what we might have. Have a… Read more »

    Idaho hiker
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    Idaho hiker

    How much more will we be infringed of our right to bear arms? I’m kinda sick of these wacko politicians doing this over and over. Time to get more 0%, 20%, and 80% lowers done.