12 Gauge Self Defense Ammo – Its a Wide, Wide World

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Lets take a look at 12 gauge self defense ammo better known as tactical shotgun ammo.

This Federal Tactical 1 Buckshot 12 gauge self defense ammo
This Federal Tactical 1 Buckshot load uses buffer material and a FliteControl wad to keep incredibly tight patterns in a 12 gauge self defense ammo.

 

USA -(Ammoland.com)- Have you noticed the shift in perceptions over the past few years about defensive ammunition choices? Particularly with regards to tactical shotgun ammo for self defense, but I will get to that in a minute.

Not so long ago, 9mm was considered the minimum caliber for defensive use, and a somewhat sad compromise at that.

Well, if you can’t carry a caliber that starts with a four, then I guess it’s better than nothing,” was an all too common gun store conversation.

More recently, 9mm ammunition has been accepted as a great option for defensive handgun use. The FBI is switching to it, and they test the living snot out of their approved ammunition before even considering making a move like that. Heck, .380 ACP is carried by millions and considered a perfectly viable option too.

Why is this?

I think it’s due to the incredible advances in ammunition technology over the past decade. Something or someone getting shot really doesn’t care what caliber the shooter chose (although in my mind I think 12 gauge sounds worse than 9mm). What matters is whether the projectiles penetrate to a certain depth and expand (if they’re supposed to) on a reliable basis.

If a .40 S&W bullet penetrates 13 inches and a .380 ACP penetrated 13 inches, does it really matter what the original calibers were?

Sure, the diameter of the bullet is a little different. When they started their ballistic journey, the .40 measured exactly that – .400 inches in diameter. The .380 ACP started off with a diameter of .355 inches. That’s just a .045-inch difference between the two. To put that measurement in perspective, that’s less than the width of a dime. I just measured one on my desk at .052-inches. Certainly, that .045 of an inch isn’t going to make the difference between a Hollywood-style crash through a window “I got shot” scene, and a shrugged off irritation. Provided penetration is similar, they’re both going to be effective.

I’m not saying those calibers are identical, I’m just saying that technological advances in ammunition design have elevated the performance of lower caliber rounds to the point where they work pretty darn well. That’s born out by statistics that show relatively little difference among all calibers for important things like one-shot stops and number of hits required to stop an aggressor. All this minutia brings us to 12 gauge self defense ammo.

12 Gauge Self Defense Ammo

Before we get into the details here is my short list of go-to deadly and effective 12 gauge self defense ammo:

  • Winchester PDX1 Defender Segmented Rifle Slug
  • Federal Premium Law Enforcement Buckshot
  • Winchester's PDX1 Rifled Slug & 3 Buck Ammo
  • Hornday 12 GA 00 Buckshot Critical Defense

More recently, I’m starting to see serious ammunition development technology applied to the tactical shotgun ammo and smooth bore world too, and that’s a great thing. With the broad array of shotgun ammunition now available, we’re able to choose the specific performance attributes we want, because each of our circumstances is different.

Be wary of the person who tells you that such and such a shotgun load is the “only best way” without asking you about your circumstances and home environment.

For someone who lives on an isolated ranch, slugs may be the best bet while an apartment dweller may choose game loads with smaller pellet size. The right choice for any individual always depends on many different factors.

The good news is that when it comes to shotgun ammunition, we have more choices than ever before. There’s no “best” option. There are different options, with different performance characteristics, for different situations. Let’s take a look at a few alternatives.

Winchester PDX1 Defender Segmented Rifle Slug 12-Gauge Self Defense Ammo

If you’re deciding between buckshot and slugs for your scattergun, you can have both in a sense. The Winchester PDX1 Defender Segmented Rifle Slug is a Segmented Slug that provides the direct aiming and range capability of a slug with some of the benefits of buckshot. The 12-gauge 2 3/4-inch version of this shot shell zips along at a peppy 1,600 feet per second. The one-ounce slug is pre-cut and designed to break into three more or less equal pieces shortly after impact with an organic target.

Winchester's PDX1 Segmenting Slug
Winchester's PDX1 Segmenting Slug

I shot this 12-gauge self-defense ammo load into a Clear Ballistics Gelatin Block, and boy did it perform as advertised. As you can see by the photo, about three inches into the gel, the segments not only split but veered off in different directions. This action created four wound channels: a short three-inch deep impact area and three separate tracks from each of the segments. I weighed one of the recovered segments at 132.2 grains. That’s heavier than most standard 9mm bullets and you get three of them traveling in different directions. Ouch!!

Note the three different wound tracks in this Clear Ballistics gelatin.
Note the three different wound tracks in this Clear Ballistics Gelatin.

Federal Premium Law Enforcement Buckshot with FliteControl Wads 12-Gauge Self Defense Ammo

The Federal Premium buckshot loads that use FliteControl wads are a freak of ballistic nature. If you want precise and predictable patterns for whatever reason, these could be your best option. I’ve shot them at silhouette targets from 50 yards and all pellets stayed on the target. At closer ranges, the pellets make one giant hole. You still gain the benefits of multiple simultaneous projectile impacts but maintain control over where exactly those pellets will go. You can literally make consistent head shots within 25 yards with this 12-gauge self defense ammo.

Shooting 12 gauge Self Defense Ammo
Federal Premium Law Enforcement Buckshot: If you want a predictable and tight pattern, this is hard to beat this 12-gauge self-defense ammo.

If you look for these, be sure you’re getting the versions marked with a “FliteControl Wad” logo as Federal makes buckshot loads with and without these wads. The 00 buckshot pellets are amazing but don’t forget the #1 buckshot version. It’s hard to find but offers 15-pellets of .30 caliber shot in a standard 2 3/4inch shot shell. It also comes in a FliteControl wad version so those pellets will go exactly where you intend.

Federal Premium Tactical with FliteControl wad 12-gauge self defense ammo.
Federal Premium Tactical with FliteControl wad 12-gauge self-defense ammo.

Winchester PDX1 Rifled Slug / 3 Buck Pellet 12-Gauge Self Defense Ammo

Winchester's PDX1 Rifled Slug & 3 Buck Ammo is a different approach to the segmented slug idea where you use both a slug and 00 buckshot pellets to create multiple impacts and wound channels.

This shell (12-gauge version) is loaded with three 00 buckshot pellets underneath a one-ounce rifled slug. Yes, you will know when you torch one of these off. On the other hand, unlike the segmented slugs, this creates four unique impact points and four separate wound channels.

The combination of a one-ounce slug and three 00 buck pellets makes a formidable payload.
The combination of a one-ounce slug and three 00 buck pellets make a formidable payload.

I tested this 12-gauge self-defense ammo on the range at a distance of 15 yards and found a wide dispersion pattern. The three pellets spread out in equidistant fashion and impacted near the edges of a 20-inch target. That’s pretty aggressive in terms of pattern spread. Depending on your requirements, this can be a great thing. For indoor distances, you will, in fact, get a good size spread of projectiles.

At longer distances, you better be darned sure where those three pellets are going, as each is basically a .32 caliber bullet.

This load is a great example of why you need to consider your environment before choosing your ammo. This 12-gauge self-defense ammo can be fantastic for situations where the range will always be measured in feet, but dangerous at longer distances because you don’t know where your shots will end up.

The Winchester PDX1 Rifled slug and pellet combination will spread into a wide pattern quickly, so use this 12-Gauge Self Defense Ammo appropriately.
The Winchester PDX1 Rifled slug and pellet combination will spread into a wide pattern quickly, so use this 12-Gauge Self Defense Ammo appropriately.

Hornday 12 GA 00 Buckshot Critical Defense

Hornday 12 GA 00 Buckshot Critical Defense
Hornday 12 GA 00 Buckshot Critical Defense

“Available in a convenient 10-piece box, these Hornady Critical Defense Shotgun rounds are a premium-quality example of home or self-defense ammunition from Hornady. Each 12-gauge slug measures 2 3/4 inches long and delivers a muzzle velocity up to 1,600 feet per second.

These Hornady Critical Defense Shotgun slugs deliver the perfect combination of reliable functionality and consistent performance in 12 gauge self defense ammo – just what you need in a defensive situation. These slugs are perfectly loaded for both pump and semiautomatic shotguns, and they incorporate Hornady's innovative Versatile wad technology to ensure a tight shot pattern and knock-down power.”

We’ve barely scratched the surface with some of the more interesting 12 gauge self defense ammo choices.

When you get into calibers like .410 for shotguns or shot-handguns, there is plenty of innovation too. We’ll take a look at some of those in a future article.


About Tom McHale is the author of the Insanely Practical Guides book series that guides new and experienced shooters alike in a fun, approachable, and practical way. His books are available in print and eBook format on Amazon. You can also find him on Google+, Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest.


AmmoLand Editor Comments:  This article was updated to reflect changes in product improvements / availability of 12 gauge self defense ammo 10/31/2017.

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Two things to consider! First is realistic range versus collateral damage. In most homes the long clear shot will max at ~7m (23 ft). If you are in a rural area or Mac mansion, then longer ranges may need consideration. A good shotgun load is No 1 or 2 shot. But that will go through sheet rock and really tear up a couch. You must adapt to your environment killing the BG and the kid in the next apartment is suboptimal!! Second too much reliance is placed on gelatin rather than realistic tests. We need some verification of damage in… Read more »

Rat Bastard
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Rat Bastard

Love the Appleseed targets you used for the ammo photos ! HUZZA !

Art
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Art

Personally I use the smallest pellets I can find.
I have a two-barrel improved cylinder bore loaded with 81/2 shot.
I have patterned it and at 25-feet over 90% of the shot is inside a 1.5 inch diameter hole, having only recently left the shot cup. There is 1.25oz of #8-1/2 pellets striking the body and bouncing all over in the torso.
It hits as hard as 00 but the internal damage looks much nastier as it pretty well penetrates every soft organ in the chest or abdominal cavity. Of course, I pull the second trigger.

Everett Stiles
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Everett Stiles

Issue:: For in-home defense, one would wish to only shoot if “My life was threatened- that is, an intruder is in your home pointing a gun. In that case he is not likely to be farther than, at the most, 20 feet away. A 12 ga. load of 00 @ 25 yards makes a pretty chest-size pattern from a cylinder bore. At 20 feet, the shot may not leave the wad. An attacker may even be much closer. And one reads of the hundreds of misses made in the heat of the fray by well-trained police, at close range. What… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

How is it that there are comments dated October 2015 attached to an article dated 18 June 2019?

MN
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MN

All these responses lack some basic facts….. Please take these tips in the manner in which they are offered. You must use a weapon that you can control no matter what the choice or caliber is. You must be very proficient in the use of the weapon. You must have confidence in the weapons capabilities and your abilities – this requires lots of trigger time in different scenarios – AKA muzzle control and hitting what you aim at. The above factors are just a few considerations to be aware of in order defend yourself, family and home.There are many more… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Just a thought…No one took into consideration the drugged up perp who is looking for more or anything he can turn into more drugs, who is not going to feel anything for hours. Thats the guy you are going to want to knock off his feet .

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, that is true. If one of them druggies wander out to the ranch I’ll be changing ammunition. I have been using 12 ga. rubber pellets and slugs lately. We have a heck of a lot of woods, and many of the less desirable wild life wanders up to the curtilage. Of course, they need convincing to leave. I shot a pretty large skunk in the rear quadrant, the other night, and he sprinted away so fast that he did not have time to make a mess. Had I used regular shot, I would have had a stinky mess to… Read more »

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Jim

LONG RANGE 12 GAUGE KILLING EFFECTIVENESS… about 1990 and again in about 2014 or so I wrote articles in two major gun magazines regarding the humble 12 at 100 yards. Using standard factory load 00 and number 4 Buck at NRA B27 silhouette targets the 12 would reliably hit the target with one shot with 3-4 00 pellets (.32 caliber) arriving at about 1,100+ fps and the 4 buck would put 8-11 .22 caliber (4 buck) pellets and all out of a 18-inch barrel riot gun! Additionally, all the balls would arrive at nearly the same instant dumping a bunch… Read more »

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Guesty McGuesterson

Wait…00 buck at 300 feet away, and you got a reliable hit spread from an 18″ barrel? Not quite sure I believe that. I can repeatedly hit a 10″ steel target with slug loads out of my 28″ barrel at 100 yds, but my 18″ riot gun with 00 buck is only good out to 25 yds max. And then you talk about 200 yds (the length of two football fields) with 00 buck? I call BS on this.

Taj
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Taj

Most folks are under a misconception that barrel length has something to do with shot pattern or spread. This is totally wrong. An 18″ full choke gun will pattern the same as a 28″ full choke gun, all other parameters being equal. This has been proven many times. Pattern is totally controlled by the amount of constriction over bore diameter or the design of the shot wad. Federal’s Flight control wad is an outstanding performer and greatly improves shot concentration out of cylinder bore guns.

Guesty McGuesterson
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Guesty McGuesterson

Understood, but note what I said. I can reliably hit a target with slug loads from a 28″ barrel much better than 00 buck (which does have a spread, no matter if choked or not) from an 18″ riot gun.

Jim claims he can reliably hit NRA targets a football field away with 00 buck, and that he knows the speed of the pellets 600 feet away from his muzzle. How did he chronograph or calculate this? Links or math formulas to substantiate, please, Jim.

Jim
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Jim

Guys, Back then contacted the factory got the fps info. (which is the same for a .32 caliber muzzle loader)–but personally saw the splashes at 200. Might miss you–might not but you sure as hell do not want to be there to find out! As far as 100 yards–we shot some 100 rounds overall and it was the info. you saw and doubt. Problem is with most of this readers and most folks have not tried it. Sort of like shooting a .22LR at 200 and even 300 yards or a .38 special at 100. Don’t knock it until you… Read more »

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Jim

I forgot to address your question re the ammo used. Federal and Winchester ammo. Nothing special, just standard 9 pellet 00 and 27 pellet number 4. Works every time too. You would not want to be there–let alone closer. Blew the hell out of the old 25 yard effectiveness crap and amazingly enough no one had done that type of article prior. Also shooting a slug quick like we did in our rush simulated gunfight would gain you nothing over a rifle–you have just that one projectile to hit with in a super rush of time. Had we taken much… Read more »

John Dunlap
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John Dunlap

Consider the performance the author got from Federal Flight Control wads. “Consistent head shots within 25 yards” translates to at least a few pellets still on a human sillhouette at 100. At 200, it’s more a matter of luck, but the target would still be in some danger. It is possible. 18th century muskets were dangerous at these ranges, and a modern combat shotgun is essentially a magazine fed musket. I’d like to know exactly which buckshot loads Jim tested.

Jim
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Jim

John,

I screwed up on the reply sequence–for the loads I used look above to my last reply.

Gary L. Griffiths
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Gary L. Griffiths

I’m kinda partial to the Centurion 12-ga round with a 65 caliber round ball on top of six #1 buckshot pellets. Groups well, at least out to 25 yds. I also agree with Jimbo — if you’re wanting a fist-sized group at 25 yds, shoot slugs. For in-home use if over penetration is an issue, I’d go with #4 bird shot; certainly nothing larger than #4 buck. At across-the-room distances, even a skeet load would be devastating, since it won’t even be the size of a silver dollar when it hits.

Concerned reader
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Concerned reader

Reading your article, I was concerned that you might not know what you are writing about. When you get to the section on Hornady Critical defense rounds you keep talking about slugs when referring To the 12 GA shell. The round being discussed contains shot, not slugs, as seen in the picture included in the article. Maybe some proofreading is called for here.

24and7
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24and7

A good box of 25 rounds of bb loads or hunting buckshot (2 3/4 or 3′ magnum) will always get the job done… and for those pesky trespassing thieves I have a bunch of Rock salt handloads for their behinds..Tread lightly..

Mike
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Mike

The same shells used for turkey hunting will suffice for self defense. No need to complicate your pile of ammo with something exotic-sounding, just keep it simple and plan a dual purpose for your hunting shotgun.

Duane
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Duane

Having shot many deer and a few bears with slug and buck shot loads. I have see thousands of rounds of each shot down range. I can tell you standard buck and slug loads can be very effective when you in the proper context. I prefer buck shot to be used under 25 even thou one can pellets on target further out. I have shot and seen shot coyotes killed with at double or more then that. Standard foster slugs leave a big hole for sure. But they tend to lack really great penetration that I like to see if… Read more »

Guesty McGuesterson
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Guesty McGuesterson

Okay, now *this* I believe, as I’ve achieved similar results over my own 30+ years of shotgun. Quite a bit more realistic than Jim’s story at the top of this comment section.

Duncan
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Duncan

I would ask this question: How many home intrusions result in the use of deadly force by the resident each year in the US compared with the number of accidental shootings in homes? I own multiple guns for home defense and have a concealed carry permit for very valid reasons. So my question is not a disguised anti gun one but rather one of how reasonable arming the home is given the demonstrated likelihood of invasion versus the very real risk to innocents. A securely stored and locked up gun is safe but of little practical use for any immediate… Read more »

BD
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BD

Two words: biometric safe.

Big Bill
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Big Bill

Biometric safes (especially the smaller ones designed to be kept on a nightstand) are incredibly easy to open with a paperclip.
Youtube is your friend. 🙂

Jack Hagan
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Jack Hagan

Let’s address the underlying message in your post: Why have a “private” citizen armed. China. 80 million murdered. Did you know that “kung fu”, “karate”, whatever was the result of forbidding the citizens to have weapons? What is the better bet, some of the people will accidentally shoot themselves or someone else- or that a tyrannical group of sociopaths will gain power and start murdering people that don’t want to go along with their plans to use the apparatus of the state to make themselves “kings”? The real answer is to read historical accounts. I bet you have. Your questions… Read more »

MN
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MN

Simple answer….Bio Metric safe is great as stated above by BD. However another option….when at home keep your choice of firearm in your possession at all times and keep it locked up in a safe when you leave. Just part of your daily routine, make it a habit and it will become second nature. The intimidation factor while hearing a shotgun being chambered will typically prevent any further progression of intrusion into your home. If the aggressor continues the intrusion they were not just interested in a robbery, you probably have the most effective weapon to defend your home in… Read more »

Guesty McGuesterson
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Guesty McGuesterson

“when at home keep your choice of firearm in your possession at all times and keep it locked up in a safe when you leave. Just part of your daily routine, make it a habit and it will become second nature.”

Exactly. Good answer.

MN
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MN

KISS principle…only stating the obvious.

Big Bill
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Big Bill

to answer your question about how many times do homes get entered without the owners’ permission? All too often. If it happens to you, the rate won’t matter at all. To go deeper into your post: every situation is different. You may live in an apartment with four kids and a wife. Or, you may live alone out in the woods. Those two wildly different situations will definitely color your choices in what gun to choose for home defense. Storage of your guns can differ, of course. Some states require certain storage methods, most don’t. Whether you have kids (even… Read more »

Ray Vaselich
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Ray Vaselich

I find it rather hard to believe that the old masters could have been so wrong about large calibre being the answer to stopping power in light of the number of men they actually killed. Yes bullet technology has improved but there is a reason that their are specific minimum calibres for dangerous game. One only has to remember our experience with the Moros Black Jack Pershing encountered to understand the difference between a 38 and a 45.

Gryyphyn
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I’m glad you put the Pershing reference in because the rest of your comment was off the mark. We have ‘dangerous game’ labeled calibers and loads because of the difference in tissue, hide, and bone structure of large game versus two legged varmints. Humans, by and large, just aren’t that difficult to put holes in. Cape Buffalo on the other hand have a thick hide that is difficult to penetrate. Pershing most likely was running solids in both his .38 S&W and his 45 ACP 1911. The bare difference in solids performance by caliber change are what proved to be… Read more »

RegT
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RegT

And a lot of the hyper-expansion ammo is also just “hype”. I used some of Hornady’s Critical Defense hollow point ammo in .380 ACP (9mm Kurtz, for you Europeans) to put down an adult ewe (female sheep) who had broken her leg. Two shots, point blank, directly down into her skull seemed to kill her, but it only stunned her. When we hung her up to skin and butcher, she started thrashing around. A third shot finally stilled her, but I was unimpressed with this ammo. Remember that real-world results differ from shooting into gelatin, and don’t believe everything you… Read more »

Big Bill
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Big Bill

My father-in-law used regular lead .22lr to kill steers for the freezer. About one inch above a line between the eyes. Worked every time.
I wouldn’t use a hollow point to shoot through a skull; they are for expansion in soft tissue. Many skull shots, if not carefully perpendicular to the skull, will follow around the skull, under the skin. Not a kill shot. This sounds like what happened for you.

Bill Jeans
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Bill Jeans

What I see often is that proponents of the “new and improved super .38, 9mm etc seem to think that those who
prefer .45 are all still using hardball. All the improvements that have admittedly elevated the potential effectiveness of the .36 caliber family have also blessed those of us who prefer the .45 caliber. What you carry for personal defense is of course a personal decision and should remain so, but “starts bigger, stays bigger” applies to ball and to
high performance hollow-points in all calibers. Your life. Your choice.

Jimbo
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Jimbo

What is the advantage of having shot that does not disperse? If that is what is needed, why not use a 12 ga. slug? I load 2 3/4″ shells with #4 buckshot. That is a lot of .25 caliber balls. I’m sure if only a couple of them find their target they will disable the target.

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I’m with you, Jimbo. I have a 3″ “T” shot magnum round in the chamber and several 2 3/4″ #4 buck to follow, with a few slugs in last. The T shot is not that hard to find, but not as common as the more popular bird and buck shot. I found the T shot and #4 buck will put anything down within 100′. I stay away from typical bird shot due to its inability to penetrate soft cover that one may have to shoot through when engaging threats within a typical home environment (i.e. furniture, interior doors, etc.). However… Read more »

Tom Paine
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Tom Paine

Once it hits the target the shot mimics a small grenade
with the shot going in all directions leaving 15 different 30 caliber wound channels increasing the odds of hitting vital organs.

John Stigers
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John Stigers

I like my Winchester Defender 12 Gauge with a Side Saddle, Tactical Pistol Grips, Laser with finger switch at the top of the front grip. I shoot Sabot Slugs, Road Blockers (3/4″ hole thru 5/16″ steel), Flechettes, Dragon’s Breath (Magnum Powder Flame Thrower), and 00 Buck. There are different situations that would require different ammo types. I have it set up for a slug followed by a 00 Buck then another Slug and 00 Buck and so on leaving the tube short one round so I can load a first round of choice. At night with a group I would… Read more »

Jim Farmer
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Jim Farmer

From Paisley, Oregon (Lake County), to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Portugal, and to Poland the
12 gauge has historically been the No. 1 shotgun gauge in common use worldwide. Perhaps only
the .22 rimfire would rival it for civilian use on a global scale.

Tom T
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Tom T

Hey Niel,
I like packing my 9 shot .44 cal Lemat revolver with a 20 Ga under barrel loaded with Buck-N-Ball.
Goes good with that side hammered Side by side 12 ga. Coach Gun you’re totin..
References for the Lemat include General JEB Stuart and General P.T. G. Beauragard

It is good to see the commercial 12 Ga shells loaded with Slug and Ball.

Southerner
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Southerner

Please do not make the mistake of assuming the “nominal” diameter/weight of buckshot pellets are what is contained in the shotshell! Your stated Federal Flite-Control #1B are .30 caliber pellets, (40 grains each), this is not so. Each “#1B” pellet in that load measure .286″ and weigh 33 grains. This reduction in pellet size has been virtually a defacto industry standard since plastic wads were introduced for buckshot loads in the early 1960’s. The Federal #1B Flite-Control load is barely over 1 1/8th ounces – not the 1 3/8th ounce load implied by the nominal standard. That said, the Flite-Control… Read more »

MyGunCulture
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The ones in the photo measure an average of .285 caliber and weigh an average of 37.5 grains. Too small a difference for me to quibble too much about it. It’s still 15 pellets of approximately 30 caliber hitting all at once.

Glockcop
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Glockcop

.380 = 95 grains, 150 ft/lbs energy
40= 165 grains, 470 ft/lbs energy
Hmmmmm, you call that SIMILAR? Nope. Not today or tomorrow either! Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

JeffD
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JeffD

Energy? Are you seriously considering pistol energy differences as determinants of “stoping power”? There is not nearly enough kinetic energy produced by common pistol rounds to cause tearing of tissue and organs that contributes to incapacitation. Read up on it and get educated on the current thinking based on analysis of thousands of actual shootings. Central nervous system hits, major heart disruption and maximum loss of blood pressure are overwhelmingly the keys to incapacitating a threat. That said, I also don’t believe that there is little difference between wound channels of the newest-production 9mm vs .45 ACP Ranger T-series ammunition.… Read more »

MyGunCulture
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Sheesh… Read what I said.

“I’m not saying those calibers are identical, I’m just saying that technological advances in ammunition design have elevated the performance of lower caliber rounds to the point where they work pretty darn well.”

Gator
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Gator

I use a Keltec KSG with slugs (one intruder) in one tube and 00 buck (multiple intruders) in the other. In my humble opinion, I have the best of both worlds. Oh… and I’ve heard all the horror stories about using 00 buck inside a home. No worries. I built this house and can easily rebuild a couple of walls if need be.

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

Can you ‘rebuild’ one of your family members if one of the buckshot pellets sails through a wall(s) and hits them?

mjohnson
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mjohnson

birdshot within 20.ft , will do the trick without all the penetration
lees worried about shooting your wife and kids in the next room.
or even your next door neighbor

Jerry D Fagan
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Jerry D Fagan

Heres my plan, my Mossberg A1 holes around 7 to 9 rounds. I try to keep a good idea of who and how many armed intruders are approaching my doors, there is 1 flight of stairs that has to be climbed to then turn to get to my door. I load 1 2/3 #8 bird shot for a 5 to 10′ shot to unprotected body parts to get them on the run. Then 2 or 3 Federal 3″ 00 buck, then for good measure a couple of #4 buckshot. If that doesn’t do the trick I grab my Colt M4… Read more »

OICU
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OICU

@Super dud…How do you think he got his family in the first place ??? If you have any did you buy them off the shelf at walmart??

Dudley
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Dudley

I always did say a Winchester shotgun and Winchester double 00 will speak volumes to your attacker!!

Neil Liiebman
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Neil Liiebman

Hi, I use a Cimarron 12 Guage side by side coach gun for personal in home protection.with 000 shot it fires either one or both barrels at the same time.That`s enough to cut an intruder in half at 50 feet.What more does one need inside the home?If you know any better let me know.

Sian
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Sian

“What more does one need inside the home?”

I’d say, the ability to engage more than one attacker without having to reload.

Jarrad
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Jarrad

This article looks VERY similar to this one published in 2012…http://www.officer.com/article/10698991/21st-century-12-gauge

MyGunCulture
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I guess I’m not quite sure what your point is. I just read it, and besides both articles mentioning two very popular and well known 12 gauge loads, I don’t see any similarities.

Big Bill
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Big Bill

MyGunCulture: You might want to check your computer’s clock. It’s about four years off.

jordan
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jordan

get a job jarrad