Truck Owner’s Gun Fire Stops Property Theft

Bob Irwin highlights the latest self-defense and other shootings of the week. Read them and see what went wrong, what went right, and what we can learn from self-defense with a gun.

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USA –-(Ammoland.com)- The Denton Record-Chronicle reported on 05-01-19 in Denton Texas, a man fired one shot near two people who were attempting to steal a part from his truck on Tuesday morning. The police report shows the man heard a commotion outside his home, in the 500 block of North Loop 288.

He looked outside and saw the hood of his truck open and two people fiddling with it, so he stepped outside and fired one shot into the grass near the vehicle.

The shot was apparently enough to scare the suspects off, as they fled the scene without successfully taking anything.

The suspects remain at large, and the property owner and shooter was not charged with a crime.

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I added this incident to remind readers that local law prevails. This is a likely bad shooting in any United States jurisdiction except where it took place in the Great State of Texas.

Texas law allows use of deadly force to recover property or capture fleeing criminals. Don’t try this at home, unless home is Texas.

Bob Irwin, Las Vegas

About Bob Irwin

Bob is retired after 30 years of ownership of The Gun Store & Indoor Range in Las Vegas. He continues his 2A issues show “Fired Up with Bob Irwin” on YouTube and on KLEY 1230 AM, The Nevada Talk Network on Saturdays.

As a firearm instructor of Concealed Firearm Applicants, Armed Security Officer and Law Enforcement Academies over his career, Bob frequently appears as an expert witness for firearm & use of force cases in Federal, State, and local courts.

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    Old 1811
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    Old 1811

    Wild Bill: Your last paragraph is a non sequitur. Nobody said thieves “should have your property.” There are laws against theft, and thieves should be apprehended, prosecuted, and punished under those laws. So the next sentence, “Then they are superior and you are inferior.”, also makes no sense since it draws an inference from the provably false premise in the previous sentence, that theft is acceptable and unpunishable. So, no, that’s not what I believe. But what I believe is irrelevant. The law believes that human lives are more valuable than property. Whether you agree or not, if you shoot… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Old, Just because I put the argument into my own words does not make it non sequitur. You write, “The law believes … ” Not that is ridiculous. Law is a concept. It takes a sentient being to believe something. Each state creates statutes. Those statutes are based upon some theory. The theory that human lives are more valuable than property is the basis of state law in some states, not my state, however. Steal here and shoot we will. We have the presumption of right action against thieves! If you want to live in a state whose underlying theory… Read more »

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    Yes, restraint in shooting someone stealing your property would not be easy but it would save you much grief. That must be where the old saying was about shoot them and throw them through the window so they are in the house when the gendarmes show up.

    Country Boy
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    Country Boy

    Don’t Mess With Texas !

    Roy Payne
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    Roy Payne

    Every state should legally allow this!

    John
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    John

    In Missouri, the trucker would be justified / he stopped an attempted theft. He also exercised safety for all, neighbors etc., by firing a round into the ground as opposed into the air.

    Roy Payne
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    Roy Payne

    I live in Missouri and am glad to know this would be legal here (assuming g you’re correct). It should be legal in every state.

    John
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    John

    RSMo 563.041 1) & 2)

    John
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    John

    3) allows for restraint of scumbag until such time law enforcement arrives – thus defeating kidnapping or unlawful restraint allegation (as long as 1) is justified) (my words).

    I strongly recommend if unsure of your rights and responsibilities, get a legal opinion (in writing) from a lawyer with subject matter expertise.

    Oldshooter
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    Oldshooter

    Actually, here in TX, the law only permits the use of deadly force to stop such behavior “during the hours of darkness,” and if the owner could not reasonably and safely stop the theft/vandalism with less force. If you try to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps in the daytime, you’d be in trouble with the law.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Old, What section of the Texas penal code are you referring to, specifically?

    The Heretic
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    The Heretic

    I live in the boonies. I step outside and shoot into my lawn all the time (to test a new purchase). My neighbors shoot all the time too – it is one of the benefits of living far from the madding crowds. Nobody calls the sheriff or gets excited. As long as you live outside a no shooting area (I am 20 miles from one) then no one cares if you put a hole in your lawn with a gun as long as you do it safely.

    That said, there is very little crime out here too.

    Rocky Mountain
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    Rocky Mountain

    If you’re still calling the police be advised because my Attorney says half his case load is people who called 911. Says about 50% of 911 callers get charged with a crime. Recommends purchasing a large tarp says it’s a much better deal in the long run. Sounds reasonable, I mean why would you call the police on yourself haven’t you figured out that scam by now?

    Docduracoat
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    Docduracoat

    That is terrible advice.
    When you draw and the perp flees, it is now a race for who calls 911 first.
    Police have a strong tendency to believe whoever called them first is the victim.
    Nowadays everything is on tape from surveillance cameras or cell phones of witnesses.
    Fleeing the scene and not calling the police will be taken as evidence of guilt.

    Rocky Mountain
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    Rocky Mountain

    Yours flee?
    Are you a passivist?
    Hell I walked 4 black home invaders out my front door at gun point to police driving by and the cops never even got out of their squad car to ask for them for ID let alone arrest or charge them with any crime. It was right in broad daylight to so you could see them. Cops stopped, looked and drove off.
    Do you even live in USA?

    Clark Kent
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    Clark Kent

    Then why don’t YOU become a police officer and show us all how it SHOULD be done? Put up or shut up.

    Bill
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    Bill

    New cop gets to tell the department how it should be run? Fascinating delusion.

    Clark Kent
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    Clark Kent

    ‘Police have a strong tendency to believe whoever called them first is the victim’? What PROOF do you have to support such a TOTALLY HORSH*T claim?

    Bill
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    Bill

    Most people who are informed, are aware of this tendency.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Doc, Shoot faster. Leave slower. I suppose that I had better explain. Shoot faster and the perp can’t flee. Leave slower, conduct what ever business that you were doing, and go home as usual, and no one can say that you fled.

    Rocky Mountain
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    Rocky Mountain

    Change is coming to Texas and it isn’t the kind of change you desire.

    Rabeea Collier, a Pakistani American, muslim woman, was elected Judge of the 113th Civil District Court of Harris County, Texas.

    Collier was sworn into office on a quran.

    https://deplorablekel.com/…/texas-judge-sworn-into-office-…/

    FirstBubba
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    FirstBubba

    Even better than that Rocky Mountain,
    are you aware that there is a court (?) in Dallas, Texas that hears Shari’a cases?
    The judge (or whatever they call him?) lives in Irving and recognizes only Shari’a Law!

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    This should be legal in all states. Criminals should not be allowed to steal while we patiently await the police to come and take a report regarding the theft. We should be allowed to stop the crime in progress so that we don’t suffer from being a victim. Not everyone can easily afford to replace stolen property, and not all property can be replaced like kind. My grandmother had many family heirlooms stolen – those obviously could not be replaced. Is it worth killing over? Sometimes it just might be. The criminal decided his wants were greater than someone else’s… Read more »

    Clark Kent
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    Clark Kent

    So your hubcaps on your 1958 Ford Edsel are worth a life? Grow up.

    Dennis Wilson
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    Dennis Wilson

    Even the Edsel did not put hubcaps under the hood. Important rights are involved here and YES, they may be worth killing to defend. Get serious.

    Ranger1
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    Ranger1

    CK, wake up…. lthere are a lot of humans (progressives, libtards) that are worth less than a rabid dog. They suffer from an incurable mental illness that is only eliminated by termination. That is what I learned in the Tiger Force in Nam You steal from me and you may find yourself pushing up daisies.

    Graham
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    Graham

    “Clark K” is one of those. He is a class A troll. Leaves stupid sh1t all over this site.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    That would be an understatement.

    Old 1811
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    Old 1811

    I don’t think the laws of war are in effect inside the United States. Here you have to abide by the laws of the United States and the state you’re in. And under those laws, no piece of property is worth a human life. If you shoot someone for stealing your property, they may end up pushing up daisies, but you’ll end up in prison, and bankrupt from legal fees. Not a good trade in my estimation.

    Ranger 1
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    Ranger 1

    The Tiger Force did not follow the rules of war, and neither do I. At my age I am not afraid of death, as I am already dying, and prison certainly does not frighten me. Again, if you steal from me and I catch you…. you will be pushing up daisies. I already proved that five years ago when a scumbag broke into our barn tack room and was trying to steal several thousand dollars worth of equipment. When the local cops found him he had an unregistered revolver in his cold dead hand. Case closed.

    Ranger 1
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    Ranger 1

    BTW…. the value of human life is way over-valued…. I value my dogs a lot more than any of the trash on the street.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    Old 1811, Correct, the Hague Conventions on the Conduct of war do not apply to civil wars. I must quibble with you regarding the value of property versus a human life. Some human lives are too new to have proven themselves. Some human lives have unused potential. Some human lives have proven to be a moral deficit and drag on society. So which generalized group am I weighing my property (which represents a life of labor), my loving animals, or my Civil Rights against? In Texas, under certain circumstances, we have the presumption of right action, and the jury must… Read more »

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    So, . . . . if someone steals the oxygen and insulin supplies that you need in order to live, it’s JUST property??

    hippybiker
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    hippybiker

    Idiot! Where I live(West Central Florida) a hood rat will get to room temp for breaking and entering!

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    If God will destroy them in Judgement Day for “simple” theft, then it appears that the HIGHEST court does consider it a death penalty matter.

    Woo
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    Woo

    Have you ever tried to replace a nos hubcap for a ’58 Edsel

    Country Boy
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    Country Boy

    you priced 58 Edsel hubcaps lately ? Found one at $149.99 multiply that by 4

    Old 1811
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    Old 1811

    So, six bills, plus shipping. About the cost of a big-screen TV at a big-box store. Would you shoot someone to save your tube? If so, where do you draw the line? Is it replacement value? Blue Book value? Would you shoot someone to save your stereo? Your lawn mower? A case of beer? Your lawn ornament? A stick of gum?
    Or is the object’s importance to you the deciding factor? Would you shoot someone to save your grandparents’ rocker? The watch you got for graduation, or retirement?
    Inquiring minds . . .

    Ansel Hazen
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    Ansel Hazen

    The answer to all your questions is yes. Have you ever been broken into while you were away at work? Come home to find your front door open swinging in the breeze? Housebound pets loose outdoors? Personal items missing including your checkbooks?

    It’s not about the property, it’s about the violation of your personal space.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Old 1811, Yep, all those things. Killed because the chain of command said to. There was not so much as a chicklette involved.
    The theory that property is not more important than people that steal things is a really modern concept foisted upon us by libtards. It is not in the least convincing.
    Thieves should have your property? Then they are superior and you are inferior. Is that what you believe?