Is a New US Mideast War Inevitable?

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Is a New US Mideast War Inevitable?

USA -(Ammoland.com)- In October 1950, as U.S. forces were reeling from hordes of Chinese troops who had intervened massively in the Korean War, a 5,000-man Turkish brigade arrived to halt an onslaught by six Chinese divisions.

Said supreme commander Gen. Douglas MacArthur: “The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade.”

President Harry Truman awarded the brigade a Presidential Unit Citation.

In 1951, Turkey ended a neutrality dating to the end of World War I and joined NATO. In the seven decades since, there has been no graver crisis in U.S.-Turkish relations than the one that erupted this week.

Turkey has just received the first components of a Russian S-400 air and missile defense system, despite U.S. warnings this would require the cancellation of Turkey's purchase of 100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

“The F-35 cannot coexist with a Russian intelligence collection platform that will be used to learn about its advanced capabilities,” said the White House.

The sale has been canceled. The Turkish pilots and instructors training in the U.S. are being sent home. Contracts with Turkish companies producing parts for the F-35 are being terminated. Under U.S. law, the administration is also required to impose sanctions on Turkey for buying Russian weaponry.

Wednesday, the Pentagon warned Turkey against military action in an area of Syria where U.S. troops are deployed. The Turks appear to be massing for an incursion against U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish forces Ankara regards as terrorist allies of the Kurdish PKK inside Turkey.

How America and Turkey avoid a collision that could wreck NATO, where the Turks field the second-largest army in the alliance, is not easy to see.

U.S. hawks are already calling for the expulsion of Turkey from NATO. And expulsion of U.S. forces and nuclear weapons from the Incirlik air base in Turkey in retaliation is not out of the question.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sounds defiant: “We have begun to receive our S-400s. … God willing, they will have been installed in their sites by April 2020. … The S-400s are the strongest defense system against those who want to attack our country. Now the aim is joint production with Russia. We will do that.”

While potentially the most crucial of recent developments in the Middle East, the U.S.-Turkish situation is not the only one.

The UAE is pulling its forces out of Yemen as Congress seeks to restrict U.S. support for Saudi forces fighting Houthi rebels there and to sanction Riyadh for the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

If the UAE pulls out, and the U.S. cuts its military aid, the Saudis cannot prevail in a war they have been unable to win with our help after four years of fighting. And if the Houthis win, the Saudis and Sunni Arabs lose, and Iran wins.

This week, to strengthen the U.S. presence for any confrontation with Iran, President Donald Trump is sending 500 additional U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia.

While the U.S. and Iran have thus far avoided a military or naval clash that could ignite a major war, the “maximum pressure” sanctions Trump has imposed are choking Iran's economy to death. How this ends in a negotiated resolution and not a shooting war remains difficult to see.

In Doha, Qatar, the U.S. is negotiating with the Taliban over the conditions for a withdrawal of the 14,000 U.S. troops still in Afghanistan. And with the Taliban controlling more of the countryside than they have since being ousted from power in 2001, and conducting regular suicide bombings in Afghan cities and towns, it is hard to see how this Kabul regime and its army prevail in a civil war when we are gone, when they could not while we were there.

In this new century, leaders of both parties have plunged our country into at least five wars in the Middle and Near East.

In 2001, after ousting the Taliban and driving al-Qaida out, we decided to use our power and ideas to build a new democratic Afghanistan. In 2003, we invaded and occupied Iraq to create a pro-Western bastion in the heart of the Middle East.

In 2011, Barack Obama ordered U.S. planes to attack Colonel Gadhafi's forces in Libya. We brought him down. Obama then backed Syrian rebels to overthrow the dictator Bashar Assad. In 2015, U.S. forces supported a Saudi war to roll back the Houthi rebels' victory in Yemen's civil war.

None of these wars has produced a victory or success for us.

But taken together, they did produce a multitrillion-dollar strategic and human rights disaster. Meanwhile, China gained much from having its great rival, the world's last superpower, thrashing about ineffectually in the forever wars of the Middle East.

“Great nations do no fight endless wars,” said Trump.

Yes, they do. As the British, French, Germans, Japanese and Russians showed in the last century, that is how they cease to be great nations.


Pat Buchanan
Patrick J .Buchanan

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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    Will
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    Will

    The Iranians don’t seem to realize that they are in the crosshairs right now, while we speak. The US sanctions have them going nuts. Kinda the same effect President Trumps ‘16 victory has had on the socialists scum here.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    Your getting there Will, your half way to seeing the whole picture. Of course its the sanctions that are throttling and enraging the Iranian mullahs. Shooting down US drones, attacking and seizing oil tankers and playing chicken with US naval vessels with their drones are snares to entrap Trump in an ill advised knee jerk reaction. So far he hasn’t taken the bait.

    JC
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    JC

    Make you long for the day of the tactical nuke.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    That’s a real bad idea. Iraq I and II proved conventional warfare is possible in the atomic age. But using a “nuke” is a real bad idea.

    Docduracoat
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    Docduracoat

    Normally I disagree with everything Pat Buchanan says.
    This time, I am sorry to say, he is 100% correct.
    The idea of a “ democratic” Afghanistan is laughable.
    We are actually negotiating with the Taliban about our withdrawal!
    The corrupt and inept Afghan government will fall 2 months we leave.
    Whether we leave now or in another 20 years.
    Forever wars in the Mideast and Afghanistan are a terrible idea.
    Let’s get out and let them sort it out themselves.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    As the late General Odom charged BEFORE the US entangled itself in these half stepping, multi-internationalist affairs by globalists and new world order types, these fool errands can only end in National Strategic Disasters that may take decades or generations to overcome. Afghanistan is exactly what Odom had in mind and more. Once we leave, the Afghans and especially the Taliban will not confine themselves to sorting it out. They are going to be a bad dream for America for a long time to come.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ahhh, I thought that you were against the US playing global cop. So, we can’t stay and we can’t leave, and if we fight a war, we will lose. You are all over the place.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    I give a fig for the world, a new world order or global cops, I only care about America. The problems we have in the Middle East are due to nincompoops, dunderheads and goofs who should have been no where near Congress or the Presidency.

    And yes, the consequences of liberal interventionism and limited war has left us in a worse situation “with no good outcomes.” Our unenviable predicament is worse and is exactly as you say: “we can’t stay and we can’t leave, and if we fight a war, we will lose.”

    Will
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    Will

    @ahhhyaayaya,you really have convoluted logic. President Trump will project US strength,not complacency or weakness. President Trump will protect the United States of America !!!!

    TheRevelator
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    TheRevelator

    Ok, some glitch going on? Tried to comment on another page and it shot me onto this one… Its listed as moderation, so perhaps ammoland is going through some problems with the new system.

    Brian, if you have any info on this, please let me know.

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    I don’t think there is a good answer to this problem. I, as well as many people, are tired of us sending our troops to the Middle east to come back in body bags. It is imperative that we keep Iran from destroying us or our allies but I think Hannity said it best last night when he said that if Iran started something he was confident Trump would react with a force they would not forget.I hope he is correct, do the job and don’t drag it on for years. I agree that has been a big problem to… Read more »

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    Unfortunately, Hannity is dead wrong as it gets. The War Powers Act is as worthless as Congressional resolutions for any limited action against Iran. Its infantile to believe that Trump can actually accomplish anything without proper constitutional authority against Iran, especially Hannity’s delusional fantasies that the Iranians would be taught a lesson “they would not forget.” Without an Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 Constitutional Declaration of War that gives Trump carte blanche to wage total war, any limited conflict with Iran will be a big time loser. As every “combat” veteran is fully aware no plan of action survives… Read more »

    Will
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    Will

    Any military conflict in Iran would not require congressional approval if US/Allie interests are attacked. Trump didn’t have to get approval for deployment of troops. Plus,this congress approving US military involvement for President Trump ? Trump took an oath to protect and defend the US. I agree with another point Hannity made,that a military conflict in Iran would be over fast.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    Nothing under heaven supersedes Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 (Declaration of War) in the Constitution, especially the sloppy reasoning you provide for war with Iran. I’ve pointed out the smart Presidents in American History who won their wars and the dupes who ruined themselves and hurt the country. Furthermore, no war with Iran will “be over fast.” The Afghanistan war is 18 years going strong, Iraq an unmitigated disaster, 4.5 thousand slain GI’s, 32 thousand wounded and 6 trillion in sunk and long term costs and you want to increase the tally? The US had best not go off… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ahh, It may be a disaster, but you admit that we went to war with out a declaration of war.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    @Wild Bill

    “…You admit we went to war with out a declaration of war.”

    BINGO !!!

    That one simple constitutional oversight has lead to the failure of every kinetic undertaking since the end of WW II.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ahhiyawa, You took seven paragraphs to bitch about the situation. Not a sentence on what your solution would be. Or would you just let Iran continue to practice asymmetrical warfare against us, and develop nuclear weapons?

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    You haven’t carefully read my posts and you missed the solution. Furthermore, I am no pacifist or appeaser. If its in the cards and our destiny is to go to war with Iran than we had better make damn certain we constitutionally dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s. for that one. The Iranians like the Nazi’s and the Jap’s will not go quietly into the night. Unlike the Iraqi’s and Afghans they have a global footprint to reach out and cause us and our allies harm. They can permanently close the straits of Hormuz. They have supporters… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ahh, Yes, I am sure that your writing was perfectly clear, and it was all my fault that I can not recite your solution. Perhaps you could give it to me again in simpler terms.
    The entire federal government ignored Art I, sec 8, clause 11. It does not seem to be an obstacle or a guarantee of success.

    Will
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    Will

    President Trump will be taking out the Iranian Nuclear Facilities soon,very soon. The United States Military will set those scumbags back into the Stone Age ! Iran might dream of nuclear weapons,but President Trump will turn that into a nightmare soon,very soon !

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    You got the point. Refusal to follow our laws is what gets our sorry asses into trouble in the first place. To embark on a hostile adventure without the total support of Congress and the people is begging for trouble from the weak & cowardly, let alone the devious & traitorous. Just look at the leftist, progressive, marxist leninist bull shit going on in Congress, the media, universities & colleges, sanctuary cities and deliberate Congressional failure to check the mass invasions across our southern border. They, Bushite and Ryan never Trump Republicans would jump Trump in a heartbeat if he… Read more »

    Will
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    Will

    @Ayaaayaaaa,your logic is moronic. You don’t wait for a bully to hit you in the nose,then run get permission to fight back ! I have always been an big time advocate of preemptive strikes. Hit hard,hit fast,and pound away !

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    And that’s why every war you supported turned out to be a loser.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    I admire you Pat and there’s not a point made that’s not well taken, but I have to squeak a little bit regarding the fall of those great empires in the 20th century. The major cause of their demise had practically everything to do with the insane competition between themselves that lead to apocalyptic world wars between 1914 and 1945. The 75 + millions slaughtered in combat and 100’s of millions wounded, let alone the immeasurable 100’s of millions of civilian casualties are what destroyed their worlds politically, economically, socially and morally. It was because of these suicidal, ruinous and… Read more »

    JIAZ
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    JIAZ

    “Appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement has led to more than a sham peace. Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only other alternative.”
    General Douglas MacArthur
    April 19, 1951
    https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/douglasmacarthurfarewelladdress.htm

    Camotim
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    Camotim

    obama-boy’s foreign policy was the Mother of All Cluster Fucks. Under it our enemies did not fear us and our friends did not trust us.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    “…smack them down HARD.” ???????

    So much for…”The age of the USA being “GlobalCop” is OVER.”

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ahhhhhiya, The Age of the USA being global cop, all by ourselves, is over.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    I was being facetious.

    Will Flatt
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    The answer is simple, and one that Trump said he would do: withdraw completely from Syria and let the region handle its own matters. The age of the USA being “GloboCop” is OVER. We do not need to insert ourselves into every international dispute, nor should we!

    Now that the USA is a net EXPORTER of petroleum again, we have no need to meddle in the mideast. Best to leave those countries to themselves, unless Iran chooses to start a war over international circumnavigation, in which case we’ll smack them down HARD.

    Vanns40
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    Vanns40

    Not only oil but LNG. Not knowing all the facts and subject to someone knowing more correcting me, I pretty much agree with you. The problem with Iran is that they are a State sponsor of terrorism and letting them continue with ANY nuclear program allows them to sell material to terrorist organizations for use in localized dirty bombs. The type that would ruin a countries economy should they be deployed in two or three major areas. What to do? I don’t have that answer.

    TheRevelator
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    TheRevelator

    @Will Flatt and Vanns40

    With both of you referencing Iran, yes that is the point of concern.

    They see themselves as the lost empire in the area, and further to that take into account their belief in the “Twelfth Imam”. Their ideology believes that to bring about their version of “heaven”, they must plunge the entire world into fire, warfare, and death by any means necessary up to and including their own destruction. Letting that go unwatched and unchecked is asking for trouble. Aside from that, excellent points.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    Let’s hope that Trump, despite all the fools and false heroics around him knows the answer.

    Will
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    Will

    President Trump will protect and defend the United States of America !