What’s REALLY Going On Inside NRA Operations

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What’s REALLY Going On Inside NRA Operations

USA – -(AmmoLand.com)-The purpose of this column is to explain what has recently transpired at NRA, and to refute the false narratives being spread about the Association.  Responsible board members have remained silent until now for legal reasons, but I believe what follows should be said.

Over a year ago, as NRA’s former treasurer was departing, Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called for a renewed emphasis on transparency and compliance with best practices for the Association and all of its vendors.  Among other things, every vendor was required to provide extra detail backing up their invoices, and additional levels of detail on NRA operations were included on the Association’s tax returns.

LaPierre’s efforts proved to be prescient.  Officials in several jurisdictions began targeting the NRA, investigating how legal loopholes might be used to permanently shut down the Association. But it turns out that LaPierre’s good governance program may very well have created legal impediments to that, blocking efforts to harm NRA.

Ironically, some of those same transparency measures that may protect NRA from hostile public officials were spun by the anti-gun media to fuel a false narrative about NRA’s financial health and spending habits.  The media painted a fake portrait of a sputtering organization in decline, led by selfish executives lavishly spending member monies. That the media should present such a false narrative is not surprising. The surprising part is that some gun owners actually believed them.

In any event, LaPierre’s initiative to ensure that every NRA vendor provide extra invoice detail required cooperation from the vendors themselves.  Apparently, all but one vendor fully complied. That vendor was among the NRA’s largest, a public relations firm deeply embedded in the NRA’s highest-profile, most sensitive operations. The vendor was so deeply entrenched, for so long, that it apparently had developed independent financial relationships with several NRA officials – including former NRA President Oliver North.  Instead of simply providing the required additional invoice detail, the vendor apparently resisted.

LaPierre nevertheless insisted that the required detail be provided. Unfortunately, rather than provide it, there instead came an orchestrated effort to force LaPierre out. An ultimatum was delivered to LaPierre at this Spring’s annual meeting by high-profile NRA officials with apparent financial ties to the vendor (and resultant conflicts of interest): either resign immediately and receive a comfortable exit package, or else face the public disclosure of supposedly damaging and embarrassing information.  The threatened information dump included details of LaPierre’s wardrobe expenses, apparently incurred directly by the vendor on its own recommendation over almost 15 years, for LaPierre’s national TV and other high-profile appearances.

LaPierre’s response to the ultimatum was swift and decisive: he refused to step down, disclosed the threats that were made, and accelerated legal efforts to force the vendor to provide the invoice detail.  Then, just as had been threatened, the supposedly damaging information about LaPierre was publicly released. The anti-gun media predictably ate it up, and some gun owners fell for the spin.

As an aside, to those that know him, LaPierre is actually noted for his modest everyday wardrobe. As the public face of over 100 million gun owners, appropriate clothing for high-profile appearances is a justifiable corporate expense.  The cost over the 15 years cited in the information dump was less than 0.007 % (7/1000ths of one percent) of the nearly $4 billion in revenue LaPierre helped raise during the same period to preserve our Second Amendment rights.

NRA has since severed its nearly 40-year relationship with the vendor.  Former NRA President Oliver North abruptly left the NRA annual meeting midstream, missing key appearances, and was not re-elected.  Other high-profile relationships have been severed. Lawsuits are now flying between NRA and the vendor, government officials are reveling in their investigations, and the liberal media is eating it up.  And some gun owners are still swallowing it.

Had LaPierre bowed to the threats he received and “retired,” the vendor and its agents would likely now control NRA and its considerable resources.  LaPierre’s good governance program likely would have been abandoned. The NRA likely would have been left much more vulnerable to hostile government officials.  And a steady, potent voice that has skillfully led the organization through both triumph and tragedy for decades would have been silenced, just as the most contentious presidential election cycle in U.S. history is getting under way.

The future of freedom itself is at stake in the 2020 elections, and gun owners need LaPierre’s proven experience and leadership if we are to prevail once again (LaPierre is credited with making the key difference in electing U.S. Presidents, and countless legislators). LaPierre’s absence at this critical, historic time could dramatically affect the 2020 outcome, and pave the way for an attack on the Second Amendment like we’ve never seen before.

Despite this, a small wave of dissent cascades among a few NRA board members, who for varying reasons of their own seek LaPierre’s immediate ouster. Some seek personal advancement at LaPierre’s expense.  Others fear personal liability and think, wrongly, that calling for LaPierre’s head will insulate them. Some have succumbed to media spin. And others either can’t take the heat, or mistakenly think that political winds have shifted against LaPierre (they haven’t). Ironically, they have unwittingly aligned themselves with the former vendor in calling for LaPierre’s departure.

A handful of gun owners have been misled by this faction of board members, or by biased media reports, or both.  They don’t realize that LaPierre himself is the one who insisted on disclosing the very things they now incorrectly blame him for.  They don’t realize that they wouldn’t even be aware of those things if not for LaPierre.  And his program of transparency has postured the organization to survive a regulatory onslaught bent on destroying NRA.  Thanks to LaPierre and the accounting team led by NRA’s new treasurer, there is good reason to be confident in NRA’s accounting practices and commitment to good governance.

LaPierre has consistently done the right thing for NRA, not because it was easy or convenient, but because it was right.  He has not been the problem; he has been the solution.

LaPierre was re-elected unanimously by the NRA board at the annual meeting this Spring, just as these key events were happening.  Contrary to social media lore, every board member had ample opportunity to vote “no,” challenge him, or support someone else, under familiar procedures in use for decades.  No one did. Any board member claiming otherwise is not telling the truth.

We have incredibly difficult and consequential battles ahead. No one is better equipped, more experienced, or has a better track record to take gun owners through them, than LaPierre.  Further division will only damage the Second Amendment. Now is the time for everyone to heal, to stand together, and to prevail over the real enemy: those trying to destroy freedom itself.


Scott Bach
Scott Bach

Scott L. Bach is an NRA Board Member and is Executive Director of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Email: [email protected]

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Bill
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Bill

I am sure that many of the commentators here are sincere. Meanwhile, their efforts to kill the NRA and divide up its body parts are hardly helpful, just because they have some sort of personal ax to grind. Are gun owners so stupid as to fight among themselves, rather than band together and make things better and stronger for themselves, all together as a mighty army? To have all of these “allies” who are ever ready to stab each other in the back for not being entirely up to their personal expectations, just lets me see that it doesn’t require… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Bill, There is too much evidence that the NRA has been quietly compromising our Second Amendment Civil Rights away; while skimming much needed funds from our contributions; and shutting up about it. But feel free to send Wayne as much money as you can spare, and send some more that you can not spare, to make up for the donations that I will not be making.

spclopr8tr
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spclopr8tr

I’m not sure whom to believe. It looks to me like the BOD had ignored theri fiduciary responsibilities and are circling the wagons to save their own butts. I put more faith in Ollie North, Chris Cox, Allan West, and others with the gumption to do what’s right. I have lost all confidence in WLP. Until the dust settles or at least more truthful facts are presented (vice PR releases by NRA board members), this Distinguished Patron Life member is keeping his wallet closed for the NRA and upping contributions to other gun rights organizations to which I already belong.

Pete
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Pete

@Bill, Stop making false accusations and get your facts straight. In no way has there been a consistent message from people on this forum that the NRA should be broken up. Your reference to those with ‘an axe to grind’ is nothing more than a wild accusation with very little, if anything to support it. Those of us who pay for the NRA are being responsible by having concern about wasted money and poor leadership. One of these so called ‘isolated organizations’ is growing quickly and has half as many members as the NRA based on the numbers I saw.… Read more »

KnightHawk
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Is LaPierre the “good guy” or the “boogie man”? I do not know . . . Here’s a way for him to prove his worth. Our U.S. Commander-in-Chief, President Donald Trump, donates his entire salary back to the USA (Military cemeteries, etc.). Our NRA EVP, Wayne LaPierre, should follow that example. If Mr. LaPierre is truly the best person to lead the NRA forward, this would be a grand gesture of good faith. Let him defend the cause of Freedom and the Second Amendment by donating his next four years salary back to the National Rifle Association. (Pay back the… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Knight, That would be good, but I’d like to see the NRA actually win for once. The BATFE only exists by the memo of a past Treasury Secretary. Have the current Sec. Treas. revoke the memo. That would not take Congress or the courts. But it would be a big win.

Rico1957
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You guys can go back and forth all year and it wont make any difference. Wayne has lost the trust of the “common” NRA non board members he should step down of his own accord to save the fundraising arm of the NRA. Your right when you say the GOA does not have the political clout necessary to fight the fight. But that doesn’t change the fact the there is no trust in the current board anymore, that bridge is tainted and I’m afraid there is no turning back the clocks Wayne should step down and let someone else man… Read more »

Autsin Miller III
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Autsin Miller III

Well said Rico, that’s the truth. At the end of the day the only path to making the NRA whole again starts with Wayne stepping down.

Will
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Will

Once them liberal scumbag,gungrabbing politicians/attorneys in NY and DC get through with LaPierre and his scumbag BOD,then,and only then,they will see the light ! And it will be turn out the lights,the party’s over ! Join GOA !

moe mensale
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moe mensale

“As the public face of over 100 million gun owners, appropriate clothing for high-profile appearances is a justifiable corporate expense.” Again with the clothes? Sorry Scott, but you’re sadly mistaken. Personal clothing is not and has never been a justifiable corporate expense. Unless the clothing cannot be worn outside of LaPierre’s NRA duties or is some form of protective clothing or some type of company uniform it’s considered personal clothing and not deductible by the NRA, regardless of its cost. If the NRA is going to deduct it then it must treat it as additional compensation to LaPierre. Read the… Read more »

Pete
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Pete

@Moe Mensale, I’m totally with you. The claims that Hollywood Boutique clothing is needed for a non-profit asking for money is one of the most outrageous assertions by folks like Scott. I spent years in sales calling on high level executives that have plenty of money. If I show up in the most expensive clothing and drive a really expensive car, the message the exec gets is that I’m charging too much. Much better for me to show up in decent clothing with a decent car. If I were showing up asking for donations rather than selling something, I would… Read more »

Joe Wilson
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Joe Wilson

Michael Bane is now calling for Wayne to resign too;

Down Range Radio #632: We have to talk about the NRA

ahhiyawa
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ahhiyawa

About a half dozen times at least. Lapierre will not resign. Lapierre has a death grip on the NRA because the members stupidly voted for by-law changes he has demanded for over 20 years. The executive power is so extensive that Lapierre can have his board pass any by-law changes without a vote of the membership, plus it takes a super, super majority (75%) of the board to fire the executive director. To do what Bane requests means stripping himself of all his defenses and going to jail. The NRA is his legal armor and shield, and if he has… Read more »

Joe Wilson
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Joe Wilson

A little more from that article I just posted;

“Bill’s representation of the N.R.A. is a classic example of ‘servicing the client to death,’ ” Hal Marshall, a former Bickel & Brewer partner, told ProPublica. “We tried to leave no stone unturned in our cases, and it often yielded great results. On the other hand, the bills were hefty.”

Joe Wilson
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Joe Wilson

“Brewer has been the NRA’s outside counsel for approximately the last year and a half. In that time, his firm has billed in the neighborhood of $24 million.”

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-nras-outside-counsel-ethical-and.html

WLS
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WLS

There is clearly trouble in paradise. In my opinion, this is not being handled well. The way it is being handled creates more suspicion. On the other hand, a lot are rushing to judgment based on hearsay including what they read in various publications. Some of these statements are only part of the facts. In other words, not the entire story. Some of these trips are because the powers that be (WLP) were summoned to certain locations by BIG MONEY donors. Trips that pretty much any person in charge would make. Yet, they sound bad on the surface without the… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

“Some of these trips are because the powers that be (WLP) were summoned to certain locations by BIG MONEY donors. Trips that pretty much any person in charge would make.”

Care to back up that statement? The justification given for the European charter flights and limousines are rather suspicious. The charter flights to the Bahamas are explainable by something completely different, leaving the country during a time of crisis. Not very American, I would say!

ahhiyawa
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ahhiyawa

Either your living a sheltered life or your part of the problem.

Too many leading paragons of the firearms community have raised their voices in opposition to Lapierre and demand that the NRA BOD…DO SOMETHING!…to save the NRA. The accusations and charges are not vacuous and demand investigation either by the members, or failing that by the pressing legal authorities.

Precarious time, yeah, big time, but the NRA is going to be absent from that contest thanks to Lapierre and his sycophants, boot and zipper lickers.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WLS, Yeah … we should not rush. It has only been 85 years that the NRA has had to solve the problem. Now, our enemies are more organized and better funded than ever before. The young people less conversant with the Bill of Rights. Government more grasping. Politicians more predatory. The NRA has wasted time and money.
Feel free to send Wayne all the money that you can spare. As for me, we had a terrific hay crop, by the grace of God, and the GOA will not be forgotten

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Wls …if they summon you they usually pay the way, or send the corporate jet .

ahhiyawa
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ahhiyawa

There is only one answer to this fallacy. TRANSPARENCY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the membership got instead were ultra secret executive meetings, gag orders, kangaroo star chamber proceedings against officers of the association who dared to raise questions of board and executive responsibility regarding finance and operations, expelling such officers from committees and banned them from consideration by the nominating committee for future board elections. Lapierre, Bach and other stooges & quislings on the board did not show prescience, they acted on foreknowledge of the facts of their wrong doing as the NY and DC attorney generals started closing in on their… Read more »

Will
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Will

JOIN GOA ! “The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington” Ron Paul

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

Some random thoughts, in no particular order: When I read these op-eds from board members (who created or allowed wrong doing) Why do the words “Baghdad Bob” leap to mind? Socialist excel at spending other people’s money irresponsibly. Sounds like NRA “leadership!” Even if every single NRA member voted for President Trump, (highly unlikely) Wayne is solely responsible for getting Mr. Trump elected? I guess the other 58 M people that voted for him get zero credit for doing so. We hear there are over 5 M members and finances are fine, yet no one at NRA will Ever tell… Read more »

WLS
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WLS

@Dubi Loo

The financials are not hard to find. They are readily available on line.

moe mensale
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moe mensale

Correct. The NRA annually files IRS Form 990 for non-profit organizations. They are also public information and always have been. It’s not a secret.

Go to this link. Click on whatever year interests you. When that year comes up you will also be able to choose any of the sub-schedules filed for additional details.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/530116130

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

Thank you

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Wls …Two sets of books is as old DIRT !!

Oldvet
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Oldvet

excuse the typo …that’s as old as dirt …That was me not spell check .

MtStream
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MtStream

When will you guys and gals get it????? We need a strong NRA but is the NRA NOT bigger than one individual? If Wayne is the ONLY one who can do it, then let him do it by himself!!! But if what is said about the NRA being the power of the members, we can survive the loss of one person! The NRA will live, adapt, change but will go on and might get better! I’ve been doing turnaround management for nearly 30 years. Every company I’ve ever worked with tells me about the one person they “can’t” lose. That… Read more »

Will
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Will

I’m a lot more concerned about his failures and total betrayal to members and the 2A. His accomplishments are few.

CPHoell
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CPHoell

I’d bet half of the people posting here are Progressive Anti 2A trolls. Divide and conquer!

Will
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Will

Pro 2A ? Let’s look at what scumbag LaPierre advocated for !… ERPO’s,bump stock bans,Suppressor bans,etc.,etc. Pro 2A ? ! Scumbag LaPierre will be out soon,very soon !

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

Yeah, that’s going to convince people. LOL. The guys who are against the NRA’s support for the bump stock ban and red flag laws are somehow progressive anti-2A trolls. The current NRA leadership has divided the 2A community with its actions and people like you simply don’t get it.

Will
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Will

JOIN DONATE TO GOA !

thegrinch
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thegrinch

Mr Bach,

Thank you for your article on “What’s Really going on..”. I wish all the naysayers would read it.

I am a Benefactor Member of the NRA, have been for years, and wish to trust that the NRA has and will always have the Second Amendment and Law Abiding Gun owners as their primary focus.

More information regarding this issue at the NRA is essential to dispel fears and anger of supposed wrongdoings with our membership monies.

So please keep the articles and updates coming!

Buster
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Buster

@thegrinch Bingo! Fighting the anti-2A brushfires as they pop up is important to keeping the 2nd Amendment intact. But long term, the future of the 2nd Amendment lies in the hands of our children. Our educational efforts must outpace that of our competition, or we’ll lose the 2nd. A properly-functioning NRA is our best hope. So far, we’re being outspent about 10,000 to 1, and our children are being relentlessly indoctrinated at least 180 days per year. I encourage all of you to participate at whatever level you can in youth shooting sports – we need your experience, talents, time,… Read more »

Will
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Will

The 2A has never been taken away and won’t be. How could history tell us a damn thing about something that never happened ?

Buster
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Buster

@Will

My fault Will – let me clarify for you:

If we allow the government to take our guns, we have no means of protecting/insuring any of our other rights.

And you knew exactly what I meant, so don’t be a picknose.

Will
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Will

@Buster,a picknose ? Where do you come up with that crap ?

Jeff
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Jeff

Man, talking about a message falling upon deaf ears! Are there any NRA members who believe the NRA has the right spending priorities, that the executive as not spending lavishly? Anybody except the board, that is. For those of us who work for a living, the clothing expenses and travel expenses are extravagant and unjustifiable. Some media reports WLP spent $200,000 dollars on suits . Unless this is the spending total for a decade, it’s outrageous. We can surely find someone to replace WLP and pay for his/her own suits out of his generous salary. ~NRA Patriot Life Member 217710449… Read more »

Buster
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Buster

@Jeff “Unless this is the spending total for a decade, it’s outrageous. We can surely find someone to replace WLP and pay for his/her own suits out of his generous salary. ~NRA Patriot Life Member 217710449 BTW: Since the NRA paid for the suits, where are they? Do they belong to the NRA or WLP?” It was more than a decade. And we do not know what exactly was purchased, or exactly who paid for it, or for what specific purpose, or the whereabouts of the clothing, or whether Wayne reported it as income, or if receipts ever made it… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Sounds like a communist socialist democrat , doesn’t it ….We don’t know so shut the F up and forget about it ! How many times have we heard that about the clintons ?

Dave C
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Dave C

Did you read the article? “Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/whats-really-going-on-inside-nra-operations/#ixzz5vMS0CqB4
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The threatened information dump included details of LaPierre’s wardrobe expenses, apparently incurred directly by the vendor on its own recommendation over almost 15 years, for LaPierre’s national TV and other high-profile appearances.

SnapShot
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SnapShot

Remember the NRA Wine Club and the rest of NRA as your Lifestyle Destination nonsense? Whose idea was that? It was a fundamental change and it seems that the main result was to fatten the NRA so there would be more to suck out of it.
We need the NRA to be a lean, mean machine but big and bad enough so that if it’s in the room, people shut up and listen. Besides calling each other names, how do we get there?

Buster
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Buster

You need to get elected to Wayne’s position.

Will
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Will

GOA !

Boomer
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Boomer

“LaPierre has consistently done the right thing for NRA” Yeah, you’re absolutely right! And now we need someone to do whats right for gun owners, not specifically to advance the NRA! The same NRA that was behind bumpstock bans and red flag laws! If there is no “boogeyman” for the NRA to fight, there won’t be the millions and millions of dollars pouring into it thats intended to be used to fight with. They provide their own job security by making sure there are still “battles to be fought” on the second amendment, by advocating for and helping to implement… Read more »

Rock
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Rock

I don’t know, nor do ANY on her know what is FACT or FICTION. ALL has been developed by hearsay or the media, you will ALL agree if honest to that. We ALL know that the left will say and do ANYTHING to take our 2nd Amendment rights away at ALL costs…. I DO know that for as long as I can remember the NRA has had the ear of D.C. and has the membership numbers to change history. Personally I liked Charlton Heston he was a TRUE American Patriot, but he is gone. Wayne picked up the reins in… Read more »

Jeff
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Jeff

I agree, we don’t know what’s really going on, but we have heard enough from NRA insiders to know there are problems with spending and other priorities for the NRA. The NRA needs a full audit, new leadership and a new board. If Microsoft, a trillion dollar company can succeed 14 directors, how can the NRA possibly need 76 members of the board?

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

The high number of NRA Board Members is on purpose, so that Wayne LaPierre can not be fired! 76 NRA Directors guarantee that there is no transparency, accountability or oversight, just cronyism, corruption and mismanagement. Again, that’s by design.

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

If you are an actual NRA member, then you are quite ill-informed about the organization that you are a member of. As an NRA Life Member, let me enlighten you: Wayne LaPierre has been the Executive Vice President and CEO of the NRA since 1991, so, no, he did not “pick up the reins in 2003” from Charlton Heston. What utter nonsense to say!!! Wayne LaPierre has been running the NRA since 1991. Charlton Heston was the President of the NRA from 1998 to 2003. There were many before that, like Marion Hammer, and many after that, like Pete Brownell… Read more »

at
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at

Why does this feel like Washington D.C. and the swamp all the way around? Why not term limits for all including all the Presidents and VP’s? Such a simple solution to a perceived problem. Or is something else going on?

Even extremely successful businesses change leadership. Saying the current execs and boards are the only ones who can guide the ship is actually a self-inflated personal perspective that shows the truth behind their motives. NO ONE SINGLE PERSON CAN CAUSE THE NRA TO FAIL!

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@at Watch latrine , that’s one thing he is doing !

Will Flatt
Member

Scott Bach, professional huckster and certified member of the Protect Wayne LaPierre club!

Will
Member
Will

@Will Flatt,they will continue to trot these fools out to defend that thieving scum too. LaPierre is done and they know it !

Carl up North
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Carl up North

I’m sorry that Scott Bach just lost any credibility on Second Amendment issues with me from this point forward. I feel sadness for the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs.

Endowment Life Member, Ordinary Working Schmuck, Concealed Carry Holder, Air Force Retiree, Retired Volunteer Firefighter

MikeTX
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MikeTX

This commentary became more incredible with every paragraph. Look, Scott Bach, Wayne LaPierre IS the problem and has been for some time. HE is burning down the NRA, not a “handful of gun owners”. An outfit’s CEO is supposed to groom his successor. Who is slated to take Wayne’s place? Nobody, that’s who. Wayne is going to try and take the NRA into the grave with him, he’s a dictator-for-life. The NRA is a raging dumpster fire right now, nobody in their right mind is giving so much as one thin dime to it. That’s unsustainable, and we all can… Read more »

TAdams
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TAdams

And how many lobbyists does GOA employ to protect our rights? When was the last time you saw a legislator concerned with their GOA grade? Keep dreaming!

Will
Member
Will

GOA membership is going through the roof ? Do you wanna make a bet why ?

WLS
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WLS

Wikipedia says that the GOA has 15 employees. How in the world can they every do what the NRA is doing with 15 employees?

To be clear, I am not against them. I am asking a realistic question.

Will
Member
Will

So GOA needs 76 board members too ? 150 employees,maybe 1500 ? GOA is accomplishing what the NRA never did,never wanted to.

Will
Member
Will

Thank God GOA isn’t doing what the NRA does.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WLS, Just what do you think the NRA is doing or more appropriately achieving?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WLS, and in answer to your question, the GOA is winning!

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@ta …Obviously you don”t understand !

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Sorry wls doesn’t understand either.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, I think that my lawn mower analogy was wasted on them.

Will
Member
Will

@WB,I think your right. They are fighting a lost cause (defending LaPierre) and know it.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@TA, Which is worse no lobbyists or many highly paid lobbyists that do not achieve the desired result, and turn the organization into their personal cash cow?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@TA, NRA lobbyists are a really, really expensive failure. We have have sent the NRA rivers of money, and still have unconstitutional gun control. We could have “lobbied” every federal, state, and local politician, judge, bureaucrat, governor, and president from 1933 to present to keep, our easy to read and understand, preemptory, Second Amendment Civil Rights. So…where did all the money go? What was achieved?

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@ta …they don’t worry about their NRA rating either , they know they can buy it ! How long before you realize you aren’t going to convince any one of any thing . Do you quit wrestling with the pig in the mud when you realize the pig likes it . I have enjoyed jerking your chain !

Ej harbet
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Ej harbet

Truth that bothers me about goa.

Will
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Will

@Wild Bill,this might be a great time for your,…”lawnmower analogy” !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Ok, Listen up Anthony Colandro, Tony, Rick,and all the little whores down at HOR that Wayne LaPierre sent over here, yesterday: I had a lawn mower made by National Lawnmower Ass. It stopped working. I threw it away. Do you get it now?

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Yet another in a line of WLP sycophants propagandizing for La PeePee,you needed bother,Not One More Penny until Wayne ,management and the entire BOD is replaced,enough of the Negotiating Rights Away WLP crap from the sycophant of the week.

Joe Wilson
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Joe Wilson

Patron member #4875884 In my opinion WLP salary is too high, including his benefits. I also am of the opinion that the overhead that is required today to run the NRA is excessive. The millions upon millions spent on PR firms completely excessive. The millions in legal fees required to defend the NRA today also seem way out of line. As a member of the NRA I have found the avalanche of mailings and phone calls seeking over the years more and more donations to support these excesses disheartening when in the mean time it is my belief that the… Read more »

GunGuy
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GunGuy

I agree with you 100% A Million + salary is excessive – Paid By our donations and dues,, For what he does we could hire 10 good people to fight to get Pro gun rights laws passed not play constant defense from the attacks by liberals !

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

Well, another NRA Board Member who is making a fool of himself using some creative rewriting of history, sprinkled with the usual propaganda. Still no explanation of why.Wayne LaPierre had an Ackerman McQueen credit card. The explanation that he doesn’t always wear his expensive suits makes spending NRA money on them even more ridiculous. Or was is Ackerman McQueen money that the NRA has refused to pay? You guys should really get your story straight on that, given the legal implications. Then there is the usual the “NRA finances are fine” line that contradicts the NRA’s own past fundraising and… Read more »

G-Unit
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G-Unit

I learned everything I needed to know about Oliver North in 1989 … Two Words: Iran Contra
I’ve been a life member since 1978, and while I don’t agree with everything the NRA does I support the leadership 100%. Our mainstream media and politicians are trying to divide and conquer… it almost worked! Things need to change (and they will) the NRA will be stronger! When Trump is reelected in a landslide in 2020 we will get many of our freedoms back.

Pete
Member
Pete

@G-Unit, your post shows just how far up Wayne’s butt your nose is. Where were these so called ‘get our freedoms back’ when Trump had the White House and both houses of Congress?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Pete, Allow me to not STFU, while I take this opportunity to concur with you. Astute and concisely stated.

Ej harbet
Member
Ej harbet

The fumes are causing delusions!
Get our freedoms back! Bwahahah. National reciprocity? Pelosi used that for a panty liner!
Hearing protection act? WHAT DID YOU SAY?
Theres a hell of a storm coming at us and the roof looks like a a10 target panel!

Some guy
Member
Some guy

Yea, cause Trump did SO much for us when we held the house and senate…………. What are you smoking? The only reason gun people are with Trump is that he isn’t a democrat coup plotting piece of flaming garbage.
Trump, and the rest of “our” party did exactly shit for us. Recognize this. We are on our own. Nobody is coming to save us. Bury extra guns deep. Stock ammo. When the shooting starts it is going to get really bad.

Cuzz
Member
Cuzz

After reading most of the comments here I have come to, what is a really easy conclusion. Most of you have mysteriously received great knowledge of the inner workings of the NRA, that a simple Hillbilly, such as myself could never acquire. I don’t trust the media, I don’t know if what I have read about the NRA is a true or false narrative, but I can add and subtract. As a life member, I know I haven’t gotten my money’s worth, and I realize I’m not a stain in the shorts of the many folks you have mentioned. I… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@CUZZ…You did just fine !!!

WISgunguy
Member
WISgunguy

I cant imagine where our country would be if not for the NRA with Wayne at the helm. He has fought tirelessly for decades for the Second Amendment. We cannot forget that under his decades long leadership, we have seen countless victories over those who want to destroy our rights. It’s clear that, for Wayne, the Second Amendment has always come first. This article makes it clear that now is the time for us to unite on the inside to stop the attacks from the outside.

Pete
Member
Pete

WISgunyguy, Save your gas lighting. Folks around here know the truth.

Some guy
Member
Some guy

Absolutely

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

Have fun all .

LoneStarMitch
Member
LoneStarMitch

First, props to Scott Bach for saying what needed to be said. Normally, I stay out of the fray when infighting breaks out in the 2A community. But from here it’s obvious that some form of LaPierre derangement syndrome has overtaken some seriously disgruntled individuals who don’t mind damaging the top pro-gun organization in the country . . . the one which is on track to help re-elect Donald Trump. Let’s be straight. Real reformers don’t simply attack, attack, attack from the outside. And they don’t spew the amount of venom seen in many of these childish comments. If not… Read more »

Pete
Member
Pete

@LoneStarMitch, The only actions I’ve seen in the past six months are those matching a dictator who is doing anything he can to consolidate power, regardless of the impact on the organization.

BigJim
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BigJim

@ LoneStarMitch, Correction, you meant to say the former top pro-gun organization. The ship has sunk and we smell a skunk.

Walt
Member
Walt

Even if Lapierre was anointed by God himself, he should step down. The simple appearance of impropriety was and is enough for members to lose faith in the organization. Whether you think Lapierre is good or bad for the NRA, his presence now is a hindrance to our ability to protect any rights we have left. (or the ones they haven’t sold us out on already)

GunGuy
Member
GunGuy

I have been an NRA Lifer since 1994,, I have seen the NRA go down hill and With the ouster of Kneal Knox That was the last straw I trust Olly North, And to see The actions of the board stand behind Wayne tells me how corrupt they are… Another worthless board member is TOM KING Of NYSRPA.. I have seen Wayne in Debate with anti gunners getting his butt handed to him .. ALL I Know he is paid MILLIONS of Dollars a year,,My Life membership pays about 10 Minutes of his salary..Nuff Said and I registered just to… Read more »

Rick
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Rick

North was trying to put his employer in de facto charge of the NRA. The reality is that he was in it for himself, not the NRA. If you will recall North’s background, this isn’t his first problem.

Charlie Foxtrot
Member
Charlie Foxtrot

Yet, Oliver North is still a NRA Board Member. Maybe your conspiracy theory doesn’t add up 100%?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@CF, I am on the edge of my seat waiting for Rick’s explanation for that.

Rick
Member
Rick

He will “term out”. He chose not to run for re-election as President and left. He is a non-factor.

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Rick, His terming out does not answer his question. “He is a non-factor.” is an evasion.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@Ric…He was told he would not run for president again.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Rick, I’m not aware of any info that supports you conclusively saying that North was trying to put Ackerman in charge. You may be correct. However, it could also be that he was trying save the NRA. The truth will hopefully come out in this lawsuit.

If you have proof then share it. Otherwise you sound like another guy using the dictator’s playbook to trash the dictator’s critics. Wayne’s accusations in the law suit are not proof.

Rick
Member
Rick

AckMac would not provide documentation required by the NRA. For roughly $40 million, the client, the NRA, requires documentation. You would be criticizing the association if it did not. North was an employee of AckMac, from whom he derived substantial income. That is a conflict of interest which should have prevented him from becoming President in the first place IMO. While I don’t recall all of the details because AckMac and NRA were shying each other at that point, but they were working on getting themselves into a position where they would effectively control audio-video productions instead of merely being… Read more »

Pete
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Pete

@Rick, Your comments are fine, though don’t provide strong support that North was acting badly. Part of the problem at the NRA is the multitude of relationships that are twisted in the manner you just described.

Will
Member
Will

JOIN GOA !

GunGuy
Member
GunGuy

I Agree 100%

Will
Member
Will

POS LaPierre must think his useless ass got a lifetime appointment ! Once that POS is just a bad memory,…TERM LIMITS !

Cam
Member
Cam

Well the way he and the board set it up so it was virtual impossible to get ride of them after there was the last take over that put them in power.
Sounds like a dictatorship to me!

Kenneth Edward
Member
Kenneth Edward

Scott,

As a patriot lifetime member of NRA, an ANJRPC member, Gun for Hire range member and advocate, I wanted to drop a line to thank you for your article. As someone who takes everything on Social Media and in the news with a grain of salt, and also an understanding of how too much disclosure will be taken advantage of by our legal foes, it provides the right information and explanation to allow me to continue to have confidence in the NRA as these lawsuits play out Thank you again.

Pete
Member
Pete

Look, LaPierre toadies are welcome to come here and wreck their personal reputations be spewing for the kind of info in this article. In the words or the immortal Toby Keith, it’s time for a little less talk and a lot more action. Actions such as a board that can hold leadership accountable rather than leadership getting rid of critics, a board that can actually create q quorom to vote, open the books rather than let us learn from investigative reporters, Wayne to pay back the costs of his clothing, etc…..

Will
Member
Will

I guess the thieving scumbag LaPierre has a hard time making it on $1.5 million year and an open ended expense account.

Kinger
Member
Kinger

Investigative reporters on the Bloomberg payroll. BTW do you know the TRACE is owned by Bloomberg? The NY Times and Wall Street Journal passes on the article. You sound like a Bloomy Suppoter basing all your comments on innuendo and anonymous statements. Tell us who you really work for.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Kinger, @Will has it totally correct. The only thing you have is your nose up Wayne’s butt.

Buster
Member
Buster

@Pete

“Actions such as a board that can hold leadership accountable rather than leadership getting rid of critics”

A leader typically will lay out an agenda (a course, if you will) for the organization. It makes sense that the leader would then want to purge anyone who proves to be a fly in the ointment, especially if their criticism is unfounded, nonsensical, vile, etc.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Buster, Uh, no. Wayne doesn’t get kick people off the BoD when they call out his BS. They are his boss, not the other way around.

Buster
Member
Buster

@Pete
Uh, no. Wayne is not there to carry out the wishes of the BOD. He is there to head up the organization and lead it down a specified path. No leader is expected to get along with/tolerate anyone/everyone, nor is he expected to satisfy everyone.

Pete
Member
Pete

uh Buster, No, you are incorrect. Wayne reports to the BoD. The BoD is his boss.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Buster, Also, you make a good point that no leader is expected to get along with everyone or make everyone happy. The Board of Directors purpose is to provide accountability for senior leadership. They hire the CEO and can fire him. My issue with the NRA Board is that dissenting voices are removed from committees. Also, the Board is far too large and many members don’t come to meetings. The impact is that that are never enough people present to vote on CEO accountability related issues. Members of the BoD have a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interest… Read more »

Buster
Member
Buster

@Pete

The BOD does have oversight and the authority to remove Wayne, but Wayne sets the goal posts. Wayne plots the path. The BOD can accept, reject, or finesse his plan.

Good luck finding a new CEO if you require he satisfy 70-some board members who will also tell him how to dress.

Dave C
Member
Dave C

I believe those words were in one of the later Elvis songs – released after he had passed.

Tony
Member
Tony

Some of what needs to be said as well includes: 1) LaPierre’s track record on growth, going from over 2 million members in the mid-1980’s to over 5 million members in the 2019 time period, speaks to his leadership and ability to project the NRA agenda. One does not see other RKBA groups sitting at a conference table next to a newly elected President, something that NRA now enjoys under LaPierre’s leadership. 2) Other critics themselves appear to have conflicts of interest financially, or are representative of competitor RKBA nonprofits, or both. One pundit on podcasts is a Boardmember of… Read more »

Pete
Member
Pete

@Tony, Save it for folks that don’t know better.

Nanashi
Member
Nanashi

“LaPierre’s track record on growth, going from over 2 million members in the mid-1980’s to over 5 million members in the 2019 time period, speaks to his leadership and ability to project the NRA agenda.” Incorrect. That’s HORRIBLY low growth over 40 years for a household name that’s supposedly supported by the majority of the 320 million population. Even just counting half the 240 million the NRA didn’t supporting banning handgun ownership for (120 million), that’s a TERRIBLE penetration rate. “Other critics themselves appear to have conflicts of interest financially, or are representative of competitor RKBA nonprofits, or both.” Critics… Read more »

Tony
Member
Tony

Nanashi, In reverse order- No, I do not support banning firearms from 25% of the population, nor banning the most common firearms from civilian ownership (AR’s, shotguns, .22 plinkers, etc); nor universal gun registration, nor gun free school zones, nor gun confiscation, and I agree with one of the 8 Dissident Board Members I had mentioned above that bump stocks should have been NFA regulated rather than banned. If you think NRA was not audited during Obama, think again. If you still disbelieve it, I have some swamp land in Jersey I would like to sell to you at a… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tony, Your 1 through 4 are pretty well moot. Oh and … who personally recommends you?

MT
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MT

@Wild Bill I do. The mere fact that Bach and some other BoDs have actually put their names to their words for all to see, should tell you that they are being honest, and that they are willing to be taken to task by the members. I may be pissed at the hush-hush b.s. at the top that is inherent with all organizations to which I belong, but to pretend that you didn’t vote for LaPierre while you were in a room full of BoDs and then call for his ouster after the fact, then pretend your vote was “manufactured”… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@MT, I find Back unconvincing. Wayne never bothered to return my letters, but you are quite free to send Wayne all the money that you are able.

MT
Member
MT

I’m a big fan of the “cc…” when I send written letters.

Mike Carbine
Member
Mike Carbine

@Tony & Scott Bach have it right. The good Colonel has a history of this sort of thing that Mr. LaPierre lacks.
And for all the NRA haters out there, you will not build up the weak by pulling down the strong, that’s Leftist thinking…

Pete
Member
Pete

@Mike Carbine, Get your facts straight. There are not NRA haters here. There are plenty of members who aren’t willing to donate to the NRA in light Wayne and his actions. This is a matter of accountability. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if you and all these new people slinging Wayne’s BS are being paid to do so.

BigJim
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BigJim

Agreed, Thank you Pete!

Cam
Member
Cam

Yep, I was starting to wonder if NRA membership funds are being spent on having a team of bloggers post on this page and others toughting how wonderfull Wayne is.

Ej harbet
Member
Ej harbet

Me too,so many new faces of a sudden,,,,,

Kinger
Member
Kinger

Ladies and Gentlemen, Scott Bach is a long-standing friend, fellow member of the NRA Board of Directors and one of the straightest shooters I have ever met. The statement he penned above is right on the money and deserves your serious consideration. The entire Board of Directors has been silent because of constraints placed on us by our lawyers, those constraints have now been removed. The NRA is in a very strong position we are not going bankrupt, the membership is the highest in history and Wayne is the man who put us in this strong position and the man… Read more »

Nanashi
Member
Nanashi

“Why now are a few disgruntled Board Members using social media to destroy Wayne”

Because he used the NRA to attack gun rights. He said in a 2017 Face the Nation interview that the NRA “have supported the existing law on automatic firearms”. This is a direct contradiction to his claims in 1986 where he claimed repealing those laws was a “high priority” and the NRA supported the right to own full auto.

LaPierre isn’t just a con man, he’s a dedicated opponent of gun rights.

TAdams
Member
TAdams

Really?! Where did any NRA board member say that?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@TA, It was on Face the Nation. Perhaps you are unaware of that nationally syndicated and broadcast television news show. And that fits. As long as their are gun grabbers, the NRA gets more donations, and WLP and his cronies get bigger salaries than any other organization on the planet would pay them. If the NRA actually won the fight, their raison d’être would cease. Donations would cease. WLP’s cash cow would cease.

Ej harbet
Member
Ej harbet

Kinda like big pharma! If we cure you then you stop paying for cure.

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Klinger, Glad to hear the NRA is not going broke, get the GCA repealed then, because that is the point of the exercise.

Buster
Member
Buster

@Kinger

“The entire Board of Directors has been silent because of constraints placed on us by our lawyers, those constraints have now been removed.”

This is good news. Silence by upper management encourages speculation and rumor, and that’s never good.

CPHoell
Member
CPHoell

I have been An NRA member for well, lets just say a long time. Some of the toughest 2nd amendment battles have been fought and won in that time. Wayne LaPierre has been leading those battles for over 30 years. If your goal is to see the second amendment shredded and a disarmed citizenry. Then stop supporting the NRA and its great leadership. The rumors and scandals are just another leftwing attempt to undermine our confidence in this great civil rights organization. Divide and conquer… As for me, I remain firmly behind Wayne and the Organization he has dutifully and… Read more »

Pete
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Pete

Interesting how all of a sudden that are a bunch of Wayne’s toadies posting on Ammoland. Save the talk, lets see some action showing that Wayne cares more about the membership than himself.

Tony
Member
Tony

I have met Wayne in person several times. He has been cordial and receptive to questions or concerns expressed in person. Especially about antigun laws in California and the soon to be nationwide attempt to ban lead ammunition over Endangered Species. NRA under Wayne has fought that one at great expense, despite sell outs from other CA groups.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@tony …Were you on your knees in the board room ?

Tony
Member
Tony

No, it was at a public banquet in 2017. And a public meeting in a hall in Anaheim for volunteers back in 2008, and a number of other CA visits since.

Given your reduction to using pejoratives, what’s your boggle?

Dave C
Member
Dave C

You talk like a Democrat…… Make points, not make nasty!

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@Dave c nasty is in your mind ! Will caught MY meaning !

Will
Member
Will

@tony,your lord and master ?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Tony, The con men that I have known were the most cordial and upright appearing gentlemen that one would ever want to meet. That is how con jobs work.

CPHoell
Member
CPHoell

Call me what you will but if one of these Leftist zealots gets elected this divisiveness will be our undoing.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

Guess in your position you kinda have to say that don’t you . Feel for you I just can’t reach you. Perfect example of how we will be expected to act if we let a bunch of communist get elected and we loose the constitution. Another right under attack is the right to assemble , check it out . (if you are a conservative )

Will
Member
Will

Traitor scumbag LaPierre is now being forced to wear the same suit twice ?!? LMFAO !

Buster
Member
Buster

@Will

My take is that Ackerman-McQueen (knowing the importance of proper attire) told Wayne they would no longer work with him if he insisted on wearing shabby, unprofessional clothing. So they (AM) made arrangements to get some professional clothing made – even gave Wayne an AM credit card so he could pay for it all. LMAO!

TAdams
Member
TAdams

This is just the type of insight we need at this moment. Knowing that LaPierre was the one who insisted on all of the disclosures of his longtime consultants is enlightening. The fact that he was willing to sever that relationship shows what his priorities are. What’s so baffling is how so called pro-gun people believe the crap from the Bloomberg funded Trace and other garbage publications who keep writing the same stories. There hasn’t been any new revelations since Oliver North tried to put Ackerman-McQueen (his employer) in charge of the NRA’s accounts.

Anthony Colandro
Member

I have been a personal friend of Scott for 25 years. We have both been fighting in NJ on the board of the ANJRPC in NJ and holding the line as best we can. I am new to the NRA BOD this year but I have attended board meetings for the past seven years and have the honor of serving on three committees. To know Scott is to know the quintessential and consummate professioinal. A real Boy Scout (my words). I stand shoulder to shoulder with him and I agree 100% it is stop the spin and liberal legacy media… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Anthony Colandro, You are defending a God given, Constitutionally enumerated, natural Right, that is written so clearly a third grader can read it; our history evidences its meaning and practical application; and yet, you have failed to list a single achievement.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Anthony, The BoD is too large to provide functional oversight. What action have you personally taken as a member of the Board to address this? Something appears to be very wrong with the attorney billing the NRA for millions of dollars, from his being related to the Ackerman leadership to his political affiliations. What have you personally done as a BoD member to look into this? As a Lifetime Member, I am requesting transparency on which monies have gone to this lawyer and what he has achieved. The whole Carry Guard fiasco was a self inflicted wound that has opened… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Pete, Hmmm no responses. Either Wayne had another assignment for him, today; or he is looking up grievous, fiasco, and accountable before he can respond.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@WB…Lucky you spelled it for him , other wise he would not be able to look it up .

Will
Member
Will

Colandro shouldn’t even be on the BOD. He’s just one of Lapierres ass kissers who was appointed to the board during the NRA convention by the distraction with Col.North. He had already lost the vote but scumbag LaPierre had to have him on his BOD !

Will
Member
Will

Colandro,I’ve been waiting for you to surface. This is an “educated attack”,…you’re a total and complete idiot !

MattD
Member
MattD

Anthony very well said. The amount of work and dedication you and Scott both have done over the last 2 decades for the second amendment is solid. All the traveling on your own dime, the amount of days, weeks and months dedicated to fighting is incomparable. I’d be amazed if anyone on this feed has stepped up to the plate as much as you both have. It’s amazing the name calling and hate from people that supposedly want the same thing. The media is winning and too many fools are being mislead. The NRA is our group, time to back… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Matt, WLP has proven unworthy of support. The only thing that will save the NRA is a big win that reduces gun control.

Autsin Miller III
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Autsin Miller III

Well we certainly have a conundrum here don’t we? Mr. Bach tells us that we are only a handful of disgruntled members, though it certainly SEEMS like more than that. He also seems to suggest there hasn’t been much reduction in membership giving but elsewhere we read that over 140 million dollars are on hold. Guess we will see but judging from the amount of pleas I am getting weekly from Wayne et al, I would hazard a guess that Mr. Bach at best is putting a positive spin on the situation and at worst isn’t sharing all the truth… Read more »

Tony
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Tony

The problem with planned giving of estates like with Mr. Dell’Aquila and others is that if for medical reasons the estate is depleted at time of final distribution, NRA would not get much or all anyway. Land valuations also change over time, so perhaps such an estate may decline in any case.

The tax benefits of such giving though may be an issue as well. Each estate is specific to itself, possibly helping these “donors” with reduction in current tax bills.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@tony …Were you on your knees in the board room ?

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@tony that sounds like an insurance salesman , I showed him the door too.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Tony This comment is completely ridiculous. Are you be paid to come here share crap like this?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Tony, Wayne LaPierre and heir to my estate … ! Ha, haha, hahahahahahaha. Stop you are making my stomach hurt.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

Are we sure the good ship nra is not docked in baltimore , the rats are sure showing up lately . I ask who would be next to shill for wlp well they are coming out of the board room aren’t they.

Tony
Member
Tony

Nope, just been a volunteer in California since 1994. Never have been a Board Member.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@tony …And I have a bridge for sale !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, Now, you have gone and forced Tony to admit that he has been a loser since 1994. Even after carrying all that water for the NRA, they would not let him in the board room.
When he bites for that bridge, you better insist on a certified check.
2.058 round bales and 2365 square bales. We are humbly grateful to God, and quite tired.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@WB…Nope cash only . My spread is not as big as yours but yes we had about 25% increase over average . I dumped 19 inches out of the guage from May 5 to June 5 .

Ej harbet
Member
Ej harbet

I really hope col robert k brown doesnt do it.
Larry potterfield was bad enough!
Im too old to see my boyhood heros turncoating.

Huxley, Orwell & Rand
Member
Huxley, Orwell & Rand

This was necessary and vastly important to our cause. Our enemies are the only ones served by dissent and confusion among our ranks. As we all are lovers of liberty first and foremost, we are not the type to blindly follow. We vet, research and confirm, but the opposition uses that against us. Our honor turned into a weakness by those that would manipulate the narrative. Don’t fall for it. Together we are strong. Infighting insures our enemies win. Stand as one.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Huxley, Orwell & Rand, Sorry, the ‘fake news’ claims aren’t going to work….too much indicating otherwise.

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@HOR, What makes the three of you think that there is confusion in our ranks? As if you have ever stood in the ranks. Rather than hor’ing for the NRA, I’m sending my contributions to the GOA. What is confusing about that.

Tony
Member
Tony

It’s your right to send the money where you want, though I would perhaps take issue in GOA’s lack of lobbying expenditure.

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@Tony, And I would take issue with WLP’s lack of “lobbying” achievement.

Ansel Hazen
Member
Ansel Hazen

The problem MISTER BACH is that the NRA has not consistently done the right thing for it’s membership.
The NRA now has a cash flow problem because people like me aren’t going to donate until the president of the NRA, who was paying for apartments for college “interns” is GONE.

Businesses and individuals who continue to support Wayne are going to get the same treatment.

Will
Member
Will

Scumbag LaPierre lead the charge on bump stock bans,ERPOS’s,and now Suppressor bans ! The 2A will be a lot safer when he’s gone. Join GOA !

Rick
Member
Rick

Just who would you replace LaPierre with? The reports of “cash flow problems” are unsubstantiated rumors.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

Sarah Palin for one.

TAdams
Member
TAdams

Haha!! Sarah Palin?

Wild Bill
Member
Wild Bill

@TA, Sarah Palin, she has the connections, or any number of honest NRA members out of the five million. It is not like WLP is the only lobbyist on the planet.

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@ta…I didn’t stutter !!!

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@ta…did your ears flap

Nanashi
Member
Nanashi

Knox or whoever has his approval.

TAdams
Member
TAdams

The guy who couldn’t afford a plane ticket to the NRA convention is gonna raise the $ and run the $400 million NRA?!

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@ta…Tell me w latrine paid for a plane ticket !

Ansel Hazen
Member
Ansel Hazen

That would be a good starting point. But seriously, it can’t be all that hard to find someone with the passion and integrity necessary to keep this ship from sinking.

Pete
Member
Pete

@Rick, There are plenty of good leaders that can take over. Question for you. If there aren’t any cash flow problems, why did I get so many emails telling me the NRA would close down if I didn’t send money?

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@Pete…How much do you suppose they could save on postage and printing on all of the garbage they mail out , and the cheep trinkets as well .

Ansel Hazen
Member
Ansel Hazen

OMG the cheap ChiCom swag is so beyond belief. For any organization that supposedly promotes American values to buy that shit from China is a slap in the face.

Buster
Member
Buster

@Rick

I first joined NRA before I got out of high school. I quit NRA when I finally got tired of them filling my mailbox.

In 2002, I telephoned NRA and told them I would join as a life member if they promised to never send me a solicitation – ever. They promised, and never once (since `02) have I been mailed, telephoned, or emailed.

If you ask (nicely), I’d bet you can be put on a do not call list.

Charlie Foxtrot
Member
Charlie Foxtrot

@Rick, who would YOU replace LaPierre with when he becomes mentally unfit or dies? This whole personality cult thing in the NRA has to end! The personality cult is exactly why you got that Sarah Palin answer.

Will
Member
Will

@rick,but the NRA sure is on them phones begging for money ! Unsubstantiated cash flow rumors my ass. Even using that same old line,…”your membership is not enough,donate,donate,donate” !

Nanashi
Member
Nanashi

Not only has it not done the right thing, it has outright betrayed membership.

Look at this NRA publication from 1986

View post on imgur.com

Compare it to LaPierre’s statements on this Face the Nation interview.
https://youtu.be/2pk2LqqqtDs?t=4m9s (go to 4:09)

Under LaPierre the NRA has lied to the membership to pass gun control. He belongs in a cell for the rest of his miserable life.

Tony
Member
Tony

The choice in 1986 over the machine gun restrictions was that the Knox desire to overturn the 1934 Firearms Control Act had failed since 1979. Normally not a problem, one sticks to one’s guns (so to speak), but under the 1968 GCA gun owners, dealers and collectors WERE GOING TO JAIL over entrapment operations carried out by gun enforcers. FOPA cured a large numbers of problems, but the Hughes Amendment was inserted as a poison pill to kill any reform of the 1968 GCA. In 1986, NRA decided to take 2/3rds of the loaf to get gun law reform through… Read more »

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@tony…Yeah you were never in the board room , I still have a bridge for sale .

Tony
Member
Tony

No answer on the machine gun group lobbying then?

Oldvet
Member
Oldvet

@tony nope don’t have a horse in that race . If you had been around for a while you would know I lost all of my firearms in a boating accident .

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tony, Deregulate machine guns? First off, it is only a transfer tax. Anyone with money can buy one. What kind of regulation is that? Second, it is GOA that is forcing the Supreme Court to recognize the God given, and Second Amendment enshrined Right to own a machine gun, tank, artillery, and or warplane. Third if it was entrapment they should not have been going to jail. See Sherman and Sorrels for test of entrapment. Forth, if what you write is true then the NRA chose poorly, and we don’t need that. Finally, that last paragraph is the product of… Read more »

Will
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Will

Just more Bullshit to try and save scumbag LaPierres useless ass !

Rick
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Rick

LaPierre has fought to preserve what few rights we have. Just what have you done?

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Payed his way comes to mind . Aint happening no more , no more , no more , hit the road jack .

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rick, there are lots of combat vets, here, Rick. You better be thinking about what you are going to say if they ask you “Just what have you done?”

Rick
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Rick

The question was specifically about 2A Rights. Believe it or not, there are quite a few combat vets who oppose our 2A Rights.

I’m not saying the NRA is perfect. It’s fingerprints are on some things I wish they were not, but working with legislatures is a tough business any way you look at it.

I suggest making your views known in a constructive manner. Like it or not, the NRA is the pre-eminent Second Amendment organization in the country. Let’s keep it strong and make it stronger.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rick, you opened the door when you posed the question “Just what have you done?” Now, the issue is what has Rick done? What was your MOS?

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

The NRA, as a national group to be reckoned with is certainly a noble thing. But keeping that group (the NRA) strong means booting out executive leadership that abuses the memberships trust.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@rick …that’s a good question WB. rick just what have you done besides pound your key board ???

Rick
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Rick

I work a state legislature on 2A issues for a grassroots non-profit. I’m a vet and I support the Constitution, all of it.

Rick
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Rick

The surest way to damage the fight for Second Amendment Rights and the NRA would be to force out Wayne LaPierre who is a proven fund raiser. He has built relationships with industry leaders who support the organization as well as others in government. His fund raising efforts with tha association membership continue to be successful and help fund the associations broad range of activities.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rick, WLP is a proven fund spender you mean! He has turned the NRA into his cash cow. He uses the threat of gun control to get donations. Absent a boogie-man gun grab threat. There would be no reason for big donations. WLP would not be getting a larger salary and open expense account bigger than anyone else on this planet would give him.

BigJim
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BigJim

@ WB They just don’t get it or realize what has really happened. They went for they field goal kick to win the game and missed. No trust = no members.

Will
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Will

@BJ,the NRA totally betrayed their members and the 2A ! That’s not something that will ever be forgotten or forgiven ! JOIN GOA !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@BJ, I hope that yesterday was not the varsity. Today nothing. Not one response. Not even from the great Anthony Colandro.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@WB maybe they realized they weren’t going to accomplish anything .
I did enjoy jerking their chain.

thegrinch
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thegrinch

I agree. WLP is essential to the survival of the NRA, And we as members, if these really are members posting, is to continue to support the NRA as they are still the most influential organization protecting our Second Amendment Rights!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@the, Except the NRA is not protecting our rights. They are failing. We have sent them an ocean of money, enough to bribe every Congressperson, Justice, and President from 1933 to the present. Yet the unconstitutional Gun Control Act and unconstitutional state gun control statutes still exist. So we must turn our attention to why that might be. If the NRA actually succeeded and destroyed gun control, there would be no reason for them to exist, no donations would flow, no big NRA salaries and expense accounts. No cash cow. WLP does not want to win. WLP and his cronies… Read more »

LJnAZ
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LJnAZ

Excellent insight, I support Wayne and his efforts 100%

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@LJNAZ, WLP is not even an issue anymore. He’ll not receive another penny of my donations.