Warning to Gun Owners: See How the VA ‘Red-Flags’ Patriots

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Warning to Gun Owners: See How the VA ‘Red-Flags' Patriots

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- Gun-grabbing crisis vultures just can't let the latest mass shootings go to waste. “Red flag” laws are now all the rage in the Beltway as the magic pill to prevent homicidal maniacs from wreaking havoc on the nation. Even President Donald Trump has endorsed the idea of preemptively confiscating people's firearms if they are deemed a “threat.”

But if you want to know how this American version of China's social credit system would work in practice, let me remind you of how Veterans Affairs recklessly red-flags “disruptive” citizens without due process, transparency or accountability in the name of “safety.” Government bureaucrats routinely deprive our nation's heroes of medical treatment based on arbitrary definitions of who and what constitutes a mental health menace.

I first reported on the VA's secretive database on “disgruntled” and “disruptive” vets five years ago. Under the VA policy on “patient record flags,” federal bureaucrats can classify vets as “threats” based on assessments of their “difficult,” “annoying” and “noncompliant” behavior. The VA manual says the flags “are used to alert Veterans Health Administration medical staff and employees of patients whose behavior and characteristics may pose a threat either to their safety, the safety of other patients, or compromise the delivery of quality health care.

What a crock. It's precisely because so many vets receive inferior care from the feds that they have been forced to raise their voices.

Have we all forgotten the 40 veterans who perished at the Phoenix, Arizona VA, which relegated patients to a bureaucratic black hole through secret waiting lists? Among examples of patients' behavior referred to the red-flaggers in the VA's “Disruptive Behavior Committees” (Orwell couldn't have cooked up a better name): venting “frustration about VA services and/or wait times, threatening lawsuits or to have people fired, and frequent unwarranted visits to the emergency department or telephone calls to facility staff.”

Disabled Air Force veteran and veterans advocate/attorney Benjamin Krause has exposed the Soviet-style targeting of veterans flagged for exercising their First Amendment rights or threatening to sue the VA over neglectful care or for simply being too “expensive.” He calls it “straight out of a totalitarian regime.” In 2013, the VA inspector general concluded that the bureaucracy “does not have a comprehensive definition of what constitutes disruptive behavior.” In January 2018, a VA Office of Inspector General report found that large numbers of flagged veterans were being left in the dark about being placed on dangerous patient lists — with no recourse to remove phony flags or appeal in any meaningful way.

Despite rules requiring the “Disruptive Behavior Committee” to notify flagged patients of their status and informing them of their right to amend their reports, the OIG found no evidence in 49% of electronic health records that the panels had provided such notice and disclosure.

In 25% of medical records reviewed, the OIG “found no evidence that patients were informed they had the right to request to amend or appeal” special orders restricting care of flagged patients.
There are undoubtedly patients in the system who may pose real threats. But the “problem with the process is that it is secret,” Krause explains at DisabledVeterans.org. “The review process is done in secret and the veteran will not know who sat on the committee or what the evidence presented was prior to the decision. Only after the decision is made are veterans informed of the outcome and given a chance to appeal the vague allegations. That seems like a due process violation if I have ever seen one.”

Army vet David Scott Strain of Virginia told me recently that he was a flagged veteran. “My grave sin?” says Strain. “I tried to report the abuse of a deaf, infirm, WWII veteran. He was approximately 95 years of age. A male nurse stood behind his waiting room chair and shouted down at the top of his head, ‘Hello! Hello! Hello! If you can hear me, you can come in now!'”

Strain describes how the elderly vet “could not hear this, and the nurse went through 3 iterations, while giggling and looking at the wait-room personnel as if we were a comedy club audience. It was one of the sickest displays I've ever seen.”

For blowing the whistle on VA elder abuse, Strain says, he was banned from all satellite clinics and only granted access to one main facility.

VA flaggers can “manufacture tone, the content of what you're saying, and will even ascribe actions to you that you did not perform,” Strain warns. “The potential ‘red flag' laws concern me deeply,” Strain told me. “Why any citizen would think it wise to let the government screw such handles to our backs, to threaten and wag us any which way, is beyond my understanding. However, I fully understand why politicians want it.”

Complain too much. Criticize the powers be. Ask too many questions. Boom! You're a threat. American gun owners you are next!


Michelle Malkin
Michelle Malkin

About: Michelle Malkin

Michelle Malkin is host of “Michelle Malkin Investigates” on CRTV.com. As well as the author of “Who Built That: Awe-Inspiring Stories of American Tinkerpreneurs” and “Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires & Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels Are Screwing America…” . Her email address is [email protected]

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    MICHAEL J
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    Anything run by the government is always inefficient, ineffective, redundant and expensive. The VA is a great example of a bureaucrat run health care system disguised as medical coverage for soldiers, who in many cases cannot afford mainstream medical coverage. Couple that with trauma caused by the very government in whose service created the problem and is now charged to treat said condition. Wrap your mind around that one! We train people to kill, then we un-train the people not to kill. But just in case, we red flag veterans because they might or could harm someone. What this means… Read more »

    SGT_Wombat
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    SGT_Wombat

    ERPOs miss one very BIG point. If the person is too dangerous to have a gun, what about all their other potential weapons? Hammers, knives, bats, household chemicals, car/truck, etc.?
    So it’s OBVIOUS ERPOs are not anti-threat, they are anti-gun.

    Will
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    Will

    @SGT,like you said,they don’t care about any other inanimate objects anyone has,just the guns !

    Tim
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    Tim

    None of these laws provide for a jury trial, All provide that someone. other than the accused peers determine they are dangerous. Makes you wonder why not.

    Gomezaddams51
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    Gomezaddams51

    If anyone at the VA asks me if I have guns at home I say no, don’t have any.
    As we used to say in the military, they do not have a need to know. I am sure this stupid law will be abused and misused, Hopefully enough lawsuits will end the stupid thing.

    Get Out
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    Get Out

    Bingo, easiest answer to all gun question from anyone is just say no guns.

    RodCK
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    RodCK

    I guess this means all military persons that have served in any conflict, and put their life on the line for the rest of us and are honorably discharged. Can be stripped of their firearms if they show signs of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
    This is total WRONG and UNEXCEPTIAL!!!!!

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    When did all this get turned around? The VA has a single job, take care of vets. That doesn’t mean come and spend time and go home with a nice pay check and benefits. The oversight of employees in these facilities has been very lacking and they get away with murder. I have never claimed any VA benefits and I am just as happy that I haven’t.When you are sick, you are at the mercy of the employees. If that is the VA you have no recourse. It is time for someone to change the attitude, which could mean change… Read more »

    Jeff
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    Jeff

    Anybody who objectively and without malice sees possibl “Red Flag” behaviors might decide to be safe than sorry and report someone. These laws are ripe for overzealous or draconian enforcement and offer no shields from malice.

    ras52
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    ras52

    Good comments by all. Red flag laws will be abused. Democrats and other gun grabbers love red flag laws. We must stop these laws if possible. Thanks Michelle.

    Truth
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    Truth

    Ms Malkin’s article demonstrates a number of ways gun owners will be “Red-Flagged” through the medical system. Firstly, doctors already ask patients if the have a gun at home. Secondly, they voraciously take notes for their medical records. How many educated patients say no to drugs and procedures? Does that make them suspect of a “mental health” issue”? I was recently diagnosed with a heart condition. There are drugs and a procedure I refused. The cardiologist was very critical of my choices to use alternative medical therapies, saying the supplements were more dangerous than the drugs recommended. That is a… Read more »

    Jeff
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    Jeff

    If I visit a doctor that asks about guns at home or gun ownership, I will find another doctor. Storming out immediately might be seen as a “red flag” to these activist physicians.

    Knute
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    Knute

    And that doctor that you abandon will enter a note about your “uncooperative behavior”, into your permanent file so it can follow you around for the rest of your life.
    If a doctor ever asks you about gun ownership, they are out to make trouble for you… IF they can. Faced with that situation, there is only one choice to make, IMO. Lie like a rug. Tell them “NO”, you have no guns and never will.

    Chairforce
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    Chairforce

    Roger that.

    mlhtd51
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    mlhtd51

    After the Gun Question, I usually Ask, How’s Your SEX Life Doc, are You getting Any, this usually works, and if they Ask again I Tell them I didn’t come here to talk about Guns, I’m Here About My Health.

    Will
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    Will

    @Knute,if hes a medical doctor he’s not trained to diagnose “uncooperative behavior” in a patient there for a belly ache. Lie like a rug !

    Oldvet
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    Oldvet

    To a female Doctor : I said Doctor I am a Viet Nam vet don’t you think I have seen enough guns , she apologized .

    Oldvet
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    Oldvet

    p.s….I didn’t have to ask about her sex life , the first time I saw her she was pregnant .

    Oldvet
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    Oldvet

    And no I don’t go to the VA for health care I tried for awhile , but I found better care much less hassle elsewhere .

    Will
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    Will

    @[email protected],right now in Texas Drs can’t ask a patient a damn thing about firearms,because it’s none of their business. If that ever changes I agree with Knute,lie like a rug.

    Bowserb46
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    Bowserb46

    I’m sure there is a reason this won’t work, but how about this? You get a second “red flag” built in to the anti-gun red flag bill, that provides for red flag reporting of employers hiring illegal aliens. The 1986 law (that suckered Ronald Reagan into that amnesty) provides for a $10,000 fine for each instance of hiring an illegal alien. If there were a provision of anonymous reporting of those violations put into the red flag bill, the Democrats would surely vote it down. Also, be careful what you say in any VA facility…or any federal government office, for… Read more »

    Toadvine
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    Toadvine

    Because of the way veterans are treated, the next Timothy McVeigh is out there.

    And by “veterans”, I mean actual combat veterans who got into the fray. Not POG/fobbit/desk jockey “veterans” like Pete Buttplug.

    Rufus
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    Rufus

    Buttplug!, That is exactly what I have been calling that commie.

    Randy Crawford
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    Randy Crawford

    Red Flag enforcement depends on enforcers being mind readers and being able to predict actions before they happen. How many of the politicians, judges, bureaucrats, and media fakers are mind readers? Can any of them prove to me or a juror or anyone else that they can guess what number I am thinking of? Can they in any other way read minds? Of course not. Put to the test of reading minds, it is easy to prove none of these people can read minds and none of them can predict anything. It is so easy to prove that Red Flag… Read more »