Democrats Take Richmond; Northam Declares War on VA Gun Owners

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam vowed Wednesday in an interview with CNN that he will revive his gun control agenda and introduce it in January now that Democrats will be in full control of the Virginia legislature. (Screen snip, CNN)
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam vowed Wednesday in an interview with CNN that he will revive his gun control agenda and introduce it in January now that Democrats will be in full control of the Virginia legislature. (Screen snip, CNN)

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- For the first time in more than two decades, Democrats will control both houses of the state legislature and the governor’s office, and anti-gun Gov. Ralph Northam wasted no time telling CNN that he was going to press his gun control agenda, which he claims is “common sense” and others call “extreme.”

In an interview with CNN early Wednesday, Northam described his agenda to include a so-called “red flag” law, background checks, one-gun-a-month, and a ban on “high volume magazines.”

Earlier this year, as reported at the time by WTOP News, his agenda also included a ban on so-called “assault weapons” and the introduction of “child access prevention” legislation, which translates to “safe storage.” He also wanted to allow local governments to ban guns from government buildings, a reaction to the mass shooting in Virginia Beach earlier this year that took a dozen lives.

And, he also suggested a requirement to report lost or stolen guns. All may be on the table in 2020.

“I will introduce those again in January and I’m convinced now with a majority in the House and the Senate they will become law and because of that Virginia will be safer,” Northam vowed.

His program followed almost precisely what was predicted by Ammoland News on Monday.

According to the Associated Press, “Democrats have pledged to pass new gun restrictions and raise the minimum wage once in power.”

Northam, according to WSLS News, will be holding a cabinet meeting, which does not bode well for Commonwealth gun owners. The report also noted that “Democrats will also control the redistricting process after the 2020 census, drawing the new maps for congressional and state legislative districts,” causing some on social media to predict the state will be “lost for a generation.”

Not surprisingly, CNN labels these moves as “gun reform” rather than gun control. Virginia has been swinging blue for the past few years, and Tuesday’s election results show, according to WSLS, “a continuation of the years-long collapse of the GOP in what until recently had been a swing state.”

Northern Virginia is home to a growing population involved with government in nearby Washington, D.C. In the past ten years, it has backed Democrat candidates for governor and the presidency.

Not lost on anyone is the fact that the National Rifle Association is headquartered in Fairfax. The organization has been under intense scrutiny for many months, and its leadership has been taking heat from anti-gun officials in New York as well as some of its own members.

Northam has had his own problems this year, also. He survived a blackface yearbook scandal earlier this year.

Gun owners across the country can take a lesson from the Virginia outcome. Where Northam quickly took the initiative Wednesday, the same might be in store nationally in 2020 if Congress and the White House completely change hands, leaving Republicans in the minority and a new president in the Oval Office.

However, a new survey by Politico/Morning Consult shows that 56 percent of voters “believe it is at least somewhat likely President Donald Trump will win a second term in 2020.”

But without Congress, especially the Senate, he would essentially be powerless to continue his agenda, which includes balancing the federal courts with conservative, pro-rights judges and perhaps another Supreme Court justice.

According to Newsmax, 85 percent of identified Republicans think Trump will be re-elected next year, while only 35 percent of Democrats “believe it is at least somewhat likely” he will earn a second term. Fifty-on percent of independents believe that’s likely also, but a year in politics is an eternity, and 12 months from now, these figures could easily change.

Forty-nine percent support an impeachment inquiry, while 43 percent oppose it, the survey revealed.



About Dave Workman

Dave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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Will
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Will

General Robert E Lee should have never signed that damn armistice on 9April ‘65 Appomattox courthouse,Va. Then Lincoln wanted to celebrate the cease fire 5 days later at Fords theater, We know how that worked out !

GAMtns
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GAMtns

I wonder if the Marxists changed the Virginia Flag, ran the spear through Liberty and removed the state motto: Sic Semper Tyrannus. The Tyrants now own the state.

james
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james

Black Face bad, black rifles GOOD.

KDad
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KDad

Kind of like Colorado. We have a DemocRAT Governor who bought his way into office. Both the House and Senate are also controlled by DemocRATs. We wound up with “universal” background checks and a 15 round magazine limit. Funny thing though, people keep getting shot and killed. So much for their gun control policies.

JDC
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JDC

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for some enterprising gun shop to come up with a “Gun of the month” club.

Angelfire ammo has a sale on (last day today) ammo with a coupon “byebyebeto” thumbing their nose at Robert Francis O’Rourke (who married well and then retired to play in politics, like John Kerry).

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Northam, a man that has gone in blackface and worn the garb of the democrat’s KKK is STILL in office. Why? Because the anti-American democrats worship power, absolute power, above all else. Why do you think they LOVE murdering the unborn? The democrats cum in their pants knowing infants are being slaughtered daily. The power, THE POWER! Do you remember when the Indonesian usurper Obama sent the military to Afghanistan? He said “They go to die. They go to die for me”. Or, when Obama had an erection on AF1 and showed it to the female reporters. THAT is the… Read more »

ALL GUN LAWS ARE INFRINGEMENTS
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ALL GUN LAWS ARE INFRINGEMENTS

Northern Virginia like DC,MD has become a liberal bastion cesspool….

ALL GUN LAWS ARE INFRINGEMENTS
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ALL GUN LAWS ARE INFRINGEMENTS

The Dems cheat in elections voting 100 times! No one would vote for their Communist Terrorist Policies! Its time to clean house and evict & deport them all.

Doszap
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Doszap

KY, TN,PA and now VA,these idiots are inching there way to a Civil War as sure as God made little AppleO, they are CLUELESS how close they are to starting another 0ne.
Time for Balkanization IF we want to avoid another several million lost lives.

tomcat
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tomcat

@ Doszap I agree with your post except for one, Tn. has elected another repub gov. and we think he might be a closet RINO and Tn has a repub majority in both house and senate. You wouldn’t know it though because they can’t get any gun bills passed.

RoyD
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RoyD

We had one of those in Oklahoma and after she left we got one that’s somewhat better. Thing is, she was better than the democrat candidate so she got elected; twice.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

I an a liberal democrat, a veteran, but I DO NOT support new gun legislation, I DO NOT support gun/ammo/magazine/bumpstock bans of ANY kind. As for the NRA, I gave up my membership when they remained silent about the deaths of tamir rice, philando castille, and now atatyana jefferson. The NRA has NEVER supported the firearms right of people of color, neither has the conservative republican citizenry. Unfortunately conservative republican values only go as far as speech, but the actual enacting of those values has yet to be seen. I hope this country does not destroy itself simply because of… Read more »

Doszap
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Doszap

Warlock, I have a question an honest, and sincere one.
WHY? is it that the (seems to me) that most Ex Service members in politics always lean towards the Democratic party, and run for office in the Dem circles?
I do not get it, esp with an 80% conservative to 20% liberal Military.

toomanyhobbies
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toomanyhobbies

not my daughter or her husband who are both army vets… they vote republican but that may be their bringing up…. both of my parents were democrats until they got older and wised up…
“if you don’t vote like a gun owner you are a idiot”

Doszap
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Doszap

I disagree with you on the Conservatives do not care about minorities rights, WE want ALL colors to arm themselves as long as they (like the majority of us) are honest,non violent, and just want to be left alone to live our lives.BUT the DEMS will not let us.I have seen several prominent Blacks be TV Ad speakers for the NRA also.

Go to YOU TUBE and watch (Colion Noir NRA Speaker),Brandon Tatum, Hank Strange,I follow them every night.

Colion along with Dana Loecsh,are the BEST NRA speakers for ALL Americans,no matter what color.
We are in it TOGETHER!.

Greg K
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Greg K

“The NRA has NEVER supported the firearms right of people of color, neither has the conservative republican citizenry.” Warlok, this is incorrect. In fact, the NRA was created during “reconstruction” where a Democratic, slave owning South was actually attempting a continuance of black suppression. The Republicans tried and did brings blacks into the fold and attempted to naturalize them into society after the war. One of the venues they utilized is the NRA, which was founded to teach proper shooting safety and techniques to blacks and others, so as to start proper integration. It was the KKK and other vile… Read more »

JDC
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JDC

Warlock, you are entitled to your opinion sir. Free country and there are lots of organizations like the 2nd Amendment Foundation, Nat Gun Foundation who support the 2A…it is just that the NRA was the biggest organization around. It is unfortunate in 2019 that people still tend to think of “color this, or color that.” You and I bleed the same color. Your content of character and honesty and integrity are all that matter in my household. Also a vet (30 yrs) but conservative, vote independent and also worried about the direction of this country. We need more men like… Read more »

Considerthis
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Considerthis

Warlok, First thing – I thank a veteran for their service, no matter their color. Any person that believes in freedom and knows any history knows that persons of all colors have stood side by side and fought for freedom. i assume you are a person of color judging by the concerns reflected in your comments. Gun Rights groups other than the NRA , like GOA did not ignore the instances of civil rights injustices that you cited Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms IS a civil right, and people of all colors have had that right violated along… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Thanks, Warlok11, for reminding me that liberalism is a mental disorder.

jack mac
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jack mac

The executives of the NRA have apparently not supported the rights of anybody. I keep my membership but do not send more money. The motives of all politicians are of suspect.

Lakefoot
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Lakefoot

The NRA has, in fact, supported gun rights for black folks. If this country destroys itself it will be because it has forgotten relevant history. Ironic considering the inaccuracies of your statements. Maybe read up on some history out of a real book?

Considerthis
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Considerthis

I fear most of my fellow citizens don’t really understand how big and cancer-like our government has become. There is not enough space in Washington D.C. for all the government employees to live in..The people of Maryland and Virginia and much further out commute in and out every day.. Maryland and Virginia are almost just the suburbs of the Government. This is why AMTRAK was created and reaches so far out now. Think about it this way – no matter where you live, what if your town had the benefits that the capitol has ? Ever growing supply of pencil… Read more »

Considerthis
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Considerthis

Imagine if your little town could legally authorize making money out of thin air, and had the facilities to print all the money it wants too ! What if your little town had streets lined with the offices of lobbyists ,just waiting to wine & dine, bribe or buyout politicians from other parts of the country ? What if your little town had a group of built in multi-term politicians that could just subdue any new comer from anywhere ? Perhaps we need to take the comfort zone away from career politicians. Put the house and senate on the road.… Read more »

Bill N
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Bill N

Well it seems to me that the republicans did this to themselves. How many districts had no republican candidates?? Democrats running unopposed? Gee, I can’t understand how the republicans lost the house and senate. Maybe, just maybe they (republicans) will figure out something by the next election. Just remember, ya just can’t fix stupid! Just sayin’.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

Tepublicans also vote for politicians that don’t represent citizens interests, but big corporate donor interests, which is why millionaires and billionaires don’t pay taxes, THEY JUST PAY POLITICIANS, but hey, keep if they keep voting like they do, and they will remain sheep, and slaves, supporting their own demise.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Warlok11 – Just how many millionaires and billionaires do you know? Those I’ve known pay considerable taxes! Worked for a while at a consulting company – sure the top owners had $M income, but they did so by employing a significant number of others at good pay – and by producing valuable services well worth their prices. If services had not justified the price, we would not have lived off repeat clients. In case you think the services were just of use to other billionaires, we provide discounted services to states to assist with consumer protection services – and in… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

On a positive note, my state senator kept her position. And she is a firebrand the Democrats strongly dislike.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

SOMEONE or a few SOMEONES know what to do. DO IT.

my44gun
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my44gun

Virginia has been leaning left for years now. I commend the people who fought in that state to keep it afloat as long as possible but just couldn’t. As for the NRA spending money, what were they going to spend it on? There were a lot of seats up for election that did not have anyone running against the communist who was running. Virginia took what they called gerrymandered areas and blocked out the conservative voices. It’s the same thing that the whole country is trying to do. Communist/socialist hate the electoral college because without it, they can control the… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

SOMEONE or a few SOMEONES know what to do. They need to just DO IT.

Doszap
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Doszap

That PIMPLE is soon going to POP.if the Dems gain control of all three branches we WILL be at war.NO way 60+ million conservative are going to follow the Unconstitutional LAWS they are espousing on Weapons, NO way in Hades.
Besides that they will have us all broke and without jobs,except the ones they select.
I do not see how anyone can call themselves American and vote Democrat.

JPM
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JPM

Another state going the way of California. Gracias Democrats, liberals, low I.Q. voters and anti-American voters.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

EXCEPT, republicans screamed, cried, and said OBAMA was going to do this to the country, MEANWHILE THE REALITY IS, ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING WHILST REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE WHITEHOUSE, THE SENATE, THE FEDERAL AND SUPREME COURTS THAT ARE ALLOWING THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR …

tetejaun
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tetejaun

You have lost your lock of reality.
Cowardly Americans REFUSED to do their Constitutional duty. Heck, you can’t get conservatives to even VOTE! Only 43% of conservatives voted in 2016. The rest were too busy or lazy to vote for freedom and the Constitution.
Apathy and inaction will kill a free Republic.

freedom isnt cheap
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freedom isnt cheap

can you believe douchebags voted for another douchebag??

BigJim
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BigJim

let the Psycho Circus begin

StandWith Me
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StandWith Me

Well to put it nicely: Virginia voters deserve the fruits of their votes.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Wait until it happens to you, then we can say the same. No, we not not deserve this insanity, stupidity, and unconstitutional laws that are so based on both our Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia and the federal Constitution.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

The problem is that 51% of the people can vote away the other 49% of the peoples so called rights by voting for “representatives” which don’t actually represent even the 51%! . Which is just plain bull crap. NO law should be allowed to even get close to passing that violate state and or US Constitutional muster. There should be a vetting process for every single law right off the bat. NO VICTIM, NO CRIME, NO CRIME NOT GUILTY.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

If you are complaining about how you are being treated unfairly, and being discriminated against, WELL WELCOME TO BEING BLACK IN AMERICA ..

Tionico
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Tionico

being black, orange, pink, greem, yellow, red, gots nuttin ta do with this. Get over it. Government abuse knows no colour. It respects no colour.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Warlok11 – Have you travelled much? The most egregious case of discrimination I have ever witnessed was in the liberal bastion of Europe – in which a government official obviously mistreated a black-American in a manner obviously based simply on the color of that man’s skin. Racism is not just an American phenomenon, nor is it strictly applied to blacks by whites. Won’t claim I haven’t observed racism where I live, but for the most part everywhere I’ve lived, worked, or traveled within the states has been pretty damn racially harmonious. Yes, blacks are sometimes treated worse – but for… Read more »

Matt
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Matt

So are you suggesting that Virginia voters like myself, who are politically active and supporting of our states rights group, deserve this? Please elaborate.

Baldwin
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Baldwin

We had a democrat running for my district’s General Assembly seat that had just moved here from Commiefornia just last year! Came all the way here from the left coast just to be a lawmaker???? To tell me how to live my life??? Oh, hell NO! The scariest part was how he got way too many votes. But he lost in the end.

Some guy
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Some guy

I have been telling you for a while now, votes no longer matter. If you aren’t ready to fight and die, get out while you can. It is time to boogaloo!

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

The voting booth has been a joke for YEARS. The jury has been compromised by lying prosecutors, complacent judges and morons that get picked for juries. The soap box is being censored by the big tech giants. I suspect when the bullet box starts getting utilized that THE GOVERNMENT will once again fear the people. As it stands right now? Our Founding Fathers, if they could see the current state of affairs in the US would vomit.

Finnky
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Finnky

@SG – and just where would you suggest someone “boogaloo” to? Even if fienstein became president and achieved her deepest legislative desires – this would still be my home, and likely remain the freest country in the world.
Perhaps I’m misinterpreting “boogaloo” as bugging out. Maybe you are suggesting becoming invisible and hiding anything likely to banned?

StreetSweeper
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StreetSweeper

Wait… Ralph Northam is a white guy!?!

Possum1500
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Possum1500

I guarantee they’ll find out someone messed with the votes or ballets in this one!

KenW
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KenW

Gee I thought that only happened here in Florida.
A few years back when LtCol. Alan west was a FL Congressman he was up for reelection. When I went to bed he had a substantial lead but by daybreak he lost. Voter turnout was more then the registered voters in his district, and AFAIK nothing was done about it.

But in 2018 there is no doubt that in Broward, and Palm Beach Counties there was some serious shenanigans’ going on.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

Welcome to the club, now republicans know what voter suppression feels like, wait until they redistrict your voting area right down the middle of your districts to dilute your voting blocks. This is a tactic used by conservatives to eliminate minority voting power, it is just so ironic to hear people complainig about something they have done to americans of color for centuries. It is unfair, immoral, and un-american, but it is also KARMA. Conservatives cannot expect sympathy for having their tactics turned back on them …

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Warlock, Republicans are not Conservatives. Secondly, your hatred is misguided and misplaced. Look at the history of the Democratic Party. It is the party of Eugenics, the KKK, and Jim Crow. Look at the policies, and laws the Democrats pass, and then the results of those policies and laws. If their goal was equality of the races, why it that their policies and laws have created further impoverishment of minorities? Margret Sanger, the woman that created Planned Parenthood was a Eugenicist. Where do you find most abortion clinics, in high income, white neighborhoods, or in poor, minority neighborhoods? It was… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

Gun “reform” IS socialist doublespeak for anti-Constitutional gun laws. No state, no matter how run by what buffoon, has the right to negate the very doctrine that this country was built on. They will have to be challenged in court now, because you know newly elected buffoon is going to do his damnedest to lay waste to it. I’ve even heard some of these radicals talking about what great toilet paper it makes. If you’re okay with your gun rights being violated in this way, where King Buffoon is as King Buffoon does, then you have nothing to worry about… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Forget the term “anti-Constitutional”. It is ANTI NATURAL BORN RIGHTS gun laws. Even if there was no Constitution the right to keep and bear arms for your self defense exists. Rights cannot be taken, they can only be infringed if the person is willing to allow it.

Tionico
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Tionico

MY guns don’t need to be reformed. They are already behavingperfectly.They NEVER point themselves at anything they shouldn’t, and they have never yet fired a round I did not specifically command them to fire. They also wait patiently, behaving themselves, until I summon them, and then ONLY do what I tell them to.
WHat more could anyone expect from well trained guns?

If Ralffie’s guns don’t behave, I would suggest he first learn how to behave, then train his own gins to do so as well.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Tionico – maybe you can give “gun training” lessons. Mine have not behaved so well – in fact, one time my 22LR put two holes in a paper target even though I’d told it to make one. Took it home to washout it’s action with soap. I understand such parenting is now considered abusive, so would like to learn more positive corrective training methods.

joefoam
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joefoam

Way to go VA voters. You just lost your 2A rights by allowing this anti-American to retain his seat of power.

freedom isnt cheap
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freedom isnt cheap

what a bunch of dumbdonkeys

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Northam was not re-elected, both state houses were lost – more Democrats than Republicans were voted in. Virginia only allows Governors one 4-year term.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

No one has 2A rights. The 2A was put in the Constitution telling the GOVERNMENT to leave your GOD GIVEN UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE ALONE!

Operator Z
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Operator Z

Always vote. 50 years from now we will all be living under communism. I’ll most likely be dead but my children won’t be. We have a responsibility to keep these dirtbags out of office.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Except we’ve been living under a form of “soft” communism since before most of us were born. Ever read the 10 Planks? The 5th one is the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING system. The 2nd plank is the GRADUATED INCOME TAX. The 10th plan is your wonderful government indoctrination centers that folks call public schools. The 1st Plank is the RENT you pay every year to the COUNTY you live in to stay in your “own” home. The rest are here too. Just do some research. We are issued serial numbers at birth or close to it called SOCIAL SECURITY numbers. What… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

I heard on Fox that there were many Va. legislative seats that democrats were the only candidate, with no opposition. What the hell is that about?

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Places where Socialists rule and sanity is in short supply.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

THAT IS PROOF THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE THE MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY …. DUHHH ..

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@11, Actually, that is not what it proves. It was only Virginia, not the whole of this country. DUHHHH!

24and7
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24and7

ATTENTION Virginians, you get the government you deserve now!! Go ahead and turn them in..you have earned it..

Matt
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Matt

Virginia gun owners didn’t do this you idiot, liberal voters and out of state billionaires did. Go pound sand.

24and7
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24and7

You can go to HELL..the lukewarm republicans are to blame for this..either they didn’t vote or voted democrat..if they would’ve voted the government would have stayed like it was..DONT BLAME NO ONE ELSE FOR REBULICAN MALAISE..pull all the real conservatives out and NUKE THE DAMN PLACE!!..Hopefully your ass misses the bus out!

Uncle T
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Uncle T

The city I live in is 47% white and 42% black. Given that the black population will vote D out of reflex there’s not a lot my vote can do but I did vote. Lots of TV ads by D candidates using the anti-2A phraseology used by M4L, Moms Demand Xanax, and Everytown all paid for by NY and CA money. Gov. Blackface even admitted in the summer that his desired gun “reforms” wouldn’t have stopped the VAB shooting but that is what they ran on. By the way, ain’t turning nothing in. The good wife actually said last night… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Uncle T, Don’t give up hope because 47 is more than 42. Perhaps there is a way to lure the 47 to the polls with their minds right. And there is the other 11, too!

Finnky
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Finnky

@WB – Why continue to assume that all African-americans are the same and that they will vote as a block. It has been my experience that economic status makes a bigger difference in personality and politics than skin tone does. Make some AA friends, or at least acquaintances, and take them shooting. Help them see the light, and possibly gain support should political extremities be realized. Maybe it’s just Texas, but when I go to the range there is normally a nice gender and racial mix of shooters. At a recent trip I spoke with a hispanic woman who showed… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Finnky, I was just using the numbers that he provided, absent any other numbers. And you assume to much. My S3 was black, nearly half my officers call was black, eighteen PSGs were black. I took them all to a little shooting range called Iraq. We had a hell of a good time.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

When it happens to you, expect a similar comment. We did not vote for gun control, nor against our rights. Unfortunately, Socialists have been pouring into our state for years; this is the result of that.

wolfzatDawn
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wolfzatDawn

Well, Does anyone in VA. know how to “fix” this problem including the Billionaire in Manhattan??

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

Bloomberg spent $2.5M in VA to influence the election. The NRA, which is headquartered in VA, spent $300k! That’s roughly what the NRA spends on its lawyer in 3 days in the Ackerman McQueen feud. Fixing a problem requires acknowledging its root cause.

joefoam
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joefoam

The NRA is always begging for more money and this is what we get. No more for you WLP!

Possum1500
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Possum1500

I have a feeling someone was paid inside to help influence vote counting. It has happened a lot the past few years…..and they have all pretty much been busted…every one of them were Democrats that tampered with the votes.

freedom isnt cheap
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freedom isnt cheap

and all the bullshit junk mail they flood my mailbox with!they waste money like underwear..ive been a member for 22years,and still am,but this is evidence theyre not really doing anything,except lining their cofers